Roundup: The Office is Ending, US Open Referee Charged with Murder & Judge Says Poker is Not Gambling
Lucy Pinder … the worst of day care: these idiots encouraged 3-year-olds to fight … couple dives in water to save dog, but drown; dog survives … “Topless babysitter arrested for child neglect” … Tony Scott’s family says he did not have inoperable brain cancer … Jimmy Kimmel is moving up to 11:30 pm starting in January … Newsweek has some problems … look, a Perfect Strangers video game … 70-year-old US Open ref kills 80-year-old husband … “chaos” on the Today show … why is this man still in jail? … man in handcuffs in back of police car is shot and killed; death ruled a homicide? …
Valedictorian says “hell” in her speech, and now her high school won’t give her a diploma. [KFOR]
Dez Wells, the best returning player on Xavier, has been expelled from school. [Cincinnati.com]
Can Obama win over the millionaires? [New Yorker]
“Forty-one consecutive winning hands later, the 14 players had racked up more than $1.5 million in winnings — surrounded by casino security convinced they had cheated but unable to prove how.” [AP]
Adrian Peterson will not play in the preseason. Smart. [Star Trib]
A judge says poker is not gambling under a federal law. [WSJ]
Josiah Turner, the troublesome Arizona point guard, is taking his talents to … Hungary. [Daily Wildcat]
Garry Kasparov wrote an editorial about Pussy Riot. [Moscow Times]
The Office is ending next season. [Hollywood Reporter]
The Red Sox will be fine … as soon as Beckett and Valentine are gone. [Globe]
Daniele De Rossi is staying with Roma. [Guardian]
Enes Kanter has “forgotten how to play” says a former coach in Turkey who knows Kanter well. [Ballin in Europe]
Warren Sapp went on the Howard Stern show this week. [Joe Bucs Fan]
The Pittsburgh Steelers sang Call Me Maybe. [via 96.1 Kiss]
The Top 10 game-winning shots of 2012. [via the Hoop Doctors]
Floyd Mayweather is counting stacks on his private jet. [via Herbie]
Congrats to Michael Strahan on his new job. This is his finest interview ever. [via Hot Clicks]

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August 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 AM
It’s just “Pussy Riot”. Calling them the Pussy Riots is like saying The U2s.
That said…some goof stuff in the Roundup today…TODDLER FIGHT CLUB!
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 AM
This girl gets it in so many ways. British chicks, dig ‘em.
1st Rule: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.
2nd Rule: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.
/obviously, someone talked.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:25 AM
Easily the most disappointing “topless babysitter” link I’ve ever clicked.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:27 AM
Valedictorian says “hell” in her speech, and now her high school won’t give her a diploma
Like TSH says, what else would you expect from a school in the South?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 AM
Did you mean “suicide”?
Working from a Panera this morning in advance of a morning meeting. Ready to physically harm the people sitting here who are now 90 minutes into a biblical study quoting verse after verse as part of an “argument” regarding the inherent nature of man to sin.
/my own fault for not bringing head phones
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 AM
The Office is ending next season.
This is like the Sherman Hemsley and Phyllis Diller death notices. Things we all thought already happened.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:31 AM
Valedictorian says “hell” in her speech, and now her high school won’t give her a diploma
That newsreporter at the start of this story is pretty nice to look at.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:31 AM
Sad story but I don’t understand when I hear about people who can’t swim. Especially if you are out on a boat, don’t you think you should learn?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 AM
Que? I will certainly give you Diller, but Sherman Hemsley I will not. Dude was just in his early 70s, and only a few years removed from playing the house crank on The Surreal Life
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Niall Ferguson is going to lose his job, and rightly so. When traditional left wing rags like Forbes and Business Week rip apart your work, it’s probably time to throw in the towel.
Floyd Mayweather’s job is to get punched in the face, and I still want to hit him. What a gigantic douchebag.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 AM
I will never understand grown ass adults who cant swim. It’s worse than not knowing how to drive.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Garry Kasparov wrote an editorial about Pussy Riot. [Moscow Times]
I thought ending the editorial in “Checkmate.” was a little unnecessary.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 AM
There’s been a bible study in every Panera I’ve ever been in. They are the Russian dash cams of chain upscale eateries. What the hell is up with that?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 AM
Nice silver sequined bag, douchebag.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 AM
The numbers are insane. 36% of adult Americans can’t swim. And, even crazier, worldwide, 54% of adults can’t swim. There are more adults on this planet who can swim, then there are that can’t.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 AM
Lucy Pinder, yes!!
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 AM
I of course meant the opposite. UGH.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 AM
/facepalm
again…we can’t say fuck or shit on tv, we can’t show titties on tv, but it’s 100% totally acceptable to show the opening scene from saving private ryan unedited.
am i taking crazy pills or does this seem back asswards?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 AM
Great Roundup girl, great Roundup.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 AM
Kasparov gets to do what he wants.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:47 AM
GTFO. that’s crazy.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 AM
Panera’s the most overrated chain, right?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 AM
can’t swim, and jumped in the water to save an animal who’s animal instincts would take over anyway? Dog lovers, gotta love ‘em.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:50 AM
Last night I saw a commercial that had a Daniel Johnston song playing. Good for that manic schizo!
/commercial was terrible
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:50 AM
As someone who puts in 50+ hours a week in various coffee houses, if there isn’t a religious group extolling the virtues of Christ next to me, it’s an old lady book club discussing 50 Shades of Grey. The saving grace is all the ridiculously hot nursing or med students here as well.
Also, Panera is the worst place to try to get any work done. Loud, shitty internet, and no outlets.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:51 AM
subway.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:52 AM
I don’t really want to derail the roundup, but that opening scene is probably the most terrifying sequence ever put to film. I worked at a theater as a teenager when that movie was released in 1998 and I can’t tell you how many people, mostly seniors, left 20-30 minutes in just completely shaken. Seeing it on a giant screen, unable to distract yourself with a cell phone or conversation, is a completely unique experience and one I’m not sure I’d want to repeat.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Condi Rice is also a member at Cypress Point. Absurd.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:53 AM
man in handcuffs in back of police car is shot and killed; death ruled a homicide
He was handcuffed, yet shot himself in the head. Officers “saw” him slumped over. Was there a parade going on in the background? I’d think they’d hear a gunshot, no?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 AM
How dare you say that about the official training restaurant of Michael Phelps mom
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 AM
subway.
Co-sign.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Ban bridges. Ban bodies of water.
/problem solved
//adjusts
monoclearm floatiesAugust 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 AM
I’d agree, I just don’t know that it’s rated that highly to begin with.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 AM
dude, Oklahoma is not in the South. it may be south of the north, but that’s different than being in the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 AM
Who has a better fantasy season this year in a 6 point Pass TD league?
Tom Brady or
Killa’ Cam Newton?
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 AM
Are you white? Then you Ben Affleck.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 AM
their stock has performed quite well in the past 15 years.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 AM
I first read this as saying Cypress Hill. For a second I was impressed with Condi.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Without a doubt. My wife turned to me during the end of the opening sequence when they were starting to secure the beachhead and she said “I thought we won D-Day”. She didn’t realize how many lives/how bloody the fight was for that beachfront. Basically, we threw as many men as possible on the shores and hoped the shear nos. would overtake the Germans who had been heavily entrenched.
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Brady. Definitely Brady. Newton is going to throw a ton of interceptions and likely regress overall this year.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Recruits showed up to swim qual during boot camp not knowing how to swim.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 AM
Yeah, the crazy thing is that the other four beach landing areas (Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold) were lightly defended and didnt have nearly the casualty rate the Allies expected. Omaha though…Jesus. Some of the first divisions on the beach had 130 percent casualty rates.
We’re damn lucky Hitler fucked around and didn’t deploy the hundreds of Panzers waiting up the roads.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:04 AM
Tawmy. Not even close.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 AM
14 rushing TD though! And why is Newton going to regress? I think Car could be a Top 3 offense
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:06 AM
if you are drafting them at the same place I think you take Brady no doubt. production COULD be similar but the risk is way lower w/ Brady.
Now, I could be sold on taking a different player in hopes of Newton being there 1 round later.
What’s Newtons ADP been?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 AM
can we just fucking contract mobilehoma already? damn that place sucks.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 AM
I just don’t know that it’s rated that highly to begin with
They have the most franchises in the U.S.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 AM
“chaos” on the Today show …
We linking Radar Online now? Otherwise, solid R-up.
Pandora is off to a good start. One Big Holiday > Handshake Drugs (Live)
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 AM
I am REALLY not understanding how a state that borders Texas is not in the South. Southern people be weird.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Cam went in the 4th round in the draft I did last night after Rodgers/Brady/Brees/Stafford and Matt Ryan went 4 picks after Cam.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 AM
I think it’s D-Day, two days of the battle of Antitiem and 9/11 as days of most American lives lost.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Mid to late 2nd, I believe.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 AM
I gotta agree with you on this. Been poo-pooing Cam since he was a Barner. I thought for sure the NFL DEFs would level the field when Cam came into the league, but he seemed like a man among boys at times.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 AM
I’d like to take a moment to thank those of you on here who I’m FB friends with for not posting pics of your damned kids heading off to their first day of kindergarten thru 9th grade.
/avoids looking at clown
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:15 AM
it was ruled a suicide. and there is a whole lot of shady business going on with that case. police reported to pat him down TWICE, found some weed on him (of course) and yet didn’t find the gun he apparently shot himself with, while handcuffed.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:15 AM
I am REALLY not understanding how a state that borders Texas is not in the South. Southern people be weird
Because it’s Mid-Western. Yaint talk the same, or like our football conferences, then get out.
/spits
//couldn’t care less
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 AM
I can see doing this for kindergarten, but after that, come on.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Panera’s the most overrated chain, right?
i like the basic ham and swiss on honey wheat. everything else is pretty crappy.
lucy pinder was a solid choice. she has glorious funbags.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I know there are some reall WWII buffs here but the Allied did do some misdirection on our landing points (i.e. Calais diversion), and the messy paratropper deployment caused confusion that prevented the Germans from going full bore on Omaha.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
it was ruled a suicide. and there is a whole lot of shady business going on with that case.
Smells like sunglasses are in the vicinity…
/cues spencer
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I am REALLY not understanding how a state that borders Texas is not in the South. Southern people be weird
I don’t even consider Texas in the South. Maybe extreme eastern portions.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
overpriced and very average. Spencer mentioned subway and that’s a good choice too. It seems whenever I go there for lunch I am in line wondering why I am there.
The pulled pork they tried to sell looked revolting
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Mid west for me is Ohio-Indiana-Illinois-Michigan-Iowa. All I know is my sister in law is from Kansas and has a clear southern drawl.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 AM
He’s a chucker. Team had a year to study him. Even with the generally crappy defenses in that division, methinks Cam doesn’t even do what he did last year.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Panera’s the most overrated chain, right?
I don’t know that it is overrated, but sometimes the bread cuts into my mouth and it angers me.
Chipotle is the most overrated now there are a bunch of burrito chains that have more than six options on the menu. Doesn’t mean I don’t like Chipotle, but I like options. And queso.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 AM
One Big Holiday
solid way to start your day.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
All I know is my sister in law is from Kansas and has a clear southern drawl.
Then she has a learning disability.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
The scene were Upham is too afraid and Mellish gets killed is so profound and misunderstood. SPR has a few scenes that are drags on the total effort but there is some real genius in there too.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
it’s not that we are weird, it’s just that no one wants to be associated with that wasteland of a state.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
/eyes widen
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
I’ve got a precious photo of my 7-month-old with some serious bedhead yesterday morning that I’m about to post. you’re welcome.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
I live in Texas and do not consider it in the south. The South to me- TN, GA, SC, AL, MS, LA. After living in TN, those states are a completely different world. Love living in the South for the outdoors but it’s like no other place.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
One Big Holiday
solid way to start your day.
Went from Handshake into Voodoo Lady. And now the streak has been broken by that annoying M83 song. Thumbs down, move on.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Yeah, no doubt. The Germans thought we had WAY more paratroopers in the area than we really did. It also really helped that Hitler was a terrible military leader. Had they not wasted tons of time and fortification on the Atlantic Wall and the German generals been able to take command of the situation and move tanks into positions, Omaha would have been much, much worse.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Oklahoma is as midwestern as it is southern. Let’s just return to calling it Injun Territory and leave it at that.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:22 AM
Ohio-Indiana-Illinois-Michigan
Different strokes and all, but have you heard Illinois people talk? Northern.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 AM
I don’t even consider Texas in the South.
/eyes widen CJ
You NE folks need to travel. Nobody would confuse Texas with Alabama or God forbid, Georgia.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 AM
I’m seriously convinced that if they stopped free wi-fi that no one go to Panera bread.
Anything they sell you can be gotten more cheaply (and probably better quality) elsewhere.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Okay, you tugged on my heart strings with that one. He’s freaking adorable.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 AM
cj – The South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 AM
So? It’s geography.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 AM
dont ever change, arkansas, dont ever change.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 AM
Hilarious – http://dogshaming.tumblr.com/
Lucy Pinder and her English glamour model ilk are incredible.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 AM
my mom made my older brother, myself, and my younger sister take first day of school pictures through high school. I hated every one of them, but looking back on it now it is funny.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:26 AM
Went from Handshake into Voodoo Lady. And now the streak has been broken by that annoying M83 song. Thumbs down, move on.
MMJ is now recording their live shows and selling them on the website. the 2 shows at red rocks a few weeks back is now available. 58 songs of pure sweetness.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:26 AM
Was literally coming to post the same thing. It’s a combination of mindset, geography, culture, etc. WV is a little suspect, but other than that the map is pretty spot-on.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
I concur.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
That’s the Southeast.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
she!
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
The scene were Upham is too afraid and Mellish gets killed is so profound and misunderstood.em>
This right here. Was thinking the exact same thing. While the opening is brutal, this scene will forever be etched in my brainwaves. Everytime this movie is on I must watch until this scene. And it’s so painful to witness. Crazy.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
When I talk to my family in NH, I refer to NJ as the south.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
I don’t know if I should be offended or honored that you didn’t include Arkansas in there.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
no, sweetcheeks, that’s The South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 AM
CJ, as someone who spent most of his life in Indiana, I can confirm that folks in the southeastern part of the state talk with a southern drawl.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Ha, that’s a little extreme. For me, it’s real simple. There’s a Mason-Dixon Line. Everything below it, is the south.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Can we map out where all those dastardly negroes live again? That was a fun exercise.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 AM
The Roundup pics need to include more of these. Anyone from this list is acceptable
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Mrejr’s from Southern Illinois right? Definite southern redneck sounding. I’d say the southern tips of Ohio/Indiana/Illinois are southern folk as well. We all already knew Cincinatti was the south, it’s basically Kentucky.
Cute, southern people are creating their own definitions of geography now
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 AM
/not really
//but kinda
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 AM
totally agree; pretty bored with Chip lately
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 AM
People in Boston ask me if I’m from the south because I talk funny. Yes, PA is south of here you non-r sayin mush mouth.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 AM
That’s the Southeast.
I like how Florida isn’t in the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 AM
Ha, that’s a little extreme. For me, it’s real simple. There’s a Mason-Dixon Line. Everything below it, is the south.
The Mason/Dixon line didn’t extend out 2000 miles.
And Geography has something to do with it. But the culture in Texas is different than The South. You don’t hear Texan’s talking about the War of Northern Aggression.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 AM
I never considered Maryland the South per se. But below Maryland, definitely the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
I like how Florida isn’t in the South.
The only thing I disagree with that map is Northern Florida isn’t included.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Same with SE Ohio. When Rusty says, “Four Gairls Fangerpaint”, it never fails to make me laugh.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
On list of greatest military errors in world history, this might be number one.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
All I know is this – I’m in Georgia now and these people are southern as fuck. There are even some in Atlanta where I live.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Texans certainly don’t consider themselves to be part of the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Huh? How is that possible?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
No but they talk about Republic of Texas quite fondly.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Does this mean my state gets its own classification?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Let’s just follow what the US Census has to say.
I understand not ‘wanting’ to be associated with certain states, and it’s not saying every state in that zone is the same or anything, it’s just geography. That’s all.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Yup. Mason-Dixon line for me too.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Yes, America’s Wang.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
No but they talk about Republic of Texas quite fondly.
Bingo. Exactly. Independent folk. No way are they considered The South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
The South is Dixie. The Southwest is the Mexican American War
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
Some passive-aggressively joke about still fighting the war, as if they never lost, but just didn’t win. Or something. Yeah, I’m not lying.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I see the South and Southeast as largely synonymous.
Southeast = Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Northern Florida
Deep South = Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana
Faglands = Texas, Arkansas
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I had not heard of Lucy Pinder until this round up. I am now a fan.
She’s what the kids might call”thick” This is delicious
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I dunno, I tend to see a lot more confederate flags floating around as soon as I hit Maryland on I-83
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
No, I think Hitler’s invasion of Russia tops it. Should have learned from Napoleon.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
The whole “North-South” thing seems to blur in Maryland as you get closer to Virginia.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Multiple wounds maybe? Guy gets hit but stays in the line?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
DC is below the Mason-Dixon line, and that’s the motherfuckin capital of the Union! I think it’s less about geography/direction, and more about the level of hillbillyness in the area.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
The North Caribbean?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
Let’s just follow what the US Census has to say.
The Census? You are resorting to Ty Duffy tactics now? At least you didn’t make a lame joke.
CJ – Seriously, Texas and Oklahoma are not in The South. Geographically, they are south of Maine. Culturally, No.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
When the south secedes (hopefully soon), the Union will retain ownership of Florida. At least the good parts anyway.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
I-83 is closer to Western MD and are probably allowed to marry their first cousins just like West Virginia.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
You guys are doing it wrong. The states most concerned with protecting “state’s rights” (I think we all know what this means) is the south.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 AM
If you’re going down I-95, you’re not in the South until you get beyond Fredericksburg, VA.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 AM
God’s Waiting Room.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
It’s up there. I’d put Operation Barbarossa ahead of that one, though, simply because of the sheer numbers of German soldiers lost and the fact that fighting on two fronts essentially made the Normandy landings feasible. I tend to believe we would have gained a European foothold eventually, although it would have been at least a year before we could try again. The Allies poured everything into D-Day.
The atom bomb would have ended the war by ’47 or ’48 anyway, albeit at a much greater cost.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
We seem to be having 2 separate discussions. I dont give a fuck what folks ‘culturally’ consider themselves.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
On 95, the world ends at Richmond, VA.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
As for the western part of the state, the moment you cross into Maryland on I-81, you’re more-or-less in the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
counterpoint…if the allied air strike had known about how to time their bombs’ release, they would’ve pounded the coastal defenses instead of MISSING THEIR MARK ENTIRELY BY A HALF MILE.
nevermind discussing macarthur’s island hopping braggadocio.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
I’m thinking the dividing line lies closer to Roanoke Rapids, NC.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
ou guys are doing it wrong. The states most concerned with protecting “state’s rights” (I think we all know what this means) is the south.
Nah. Nobody thinks Kansas is The South. Hell, we were anti-slavery back in the day. Now we are the most ass backward state in the Union. But we are not the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
Once TheOatmeal is done raising copious amounts of cash for various charities, he really needs to settle this “What is The South?” thing once and for all.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
The Google pics of her are delicious. She’s like a modern day pin-up Gil Elvgren print.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
This is bullshit. I’ve never heard of Texas being anything other than the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
You don’t think Emporia, VA, is a happening place?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 AM
I’m in Canada…so anything south is icky.
Just kidding. I’m jealous living here surronded by people that think hockey is better than football.
idiots
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Geographically it’s not the south either, it’s considered the south central United States.
Knowledge is power.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I just dont get it. What else could it be classified as? It’s own entity?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
Just because you’re lying to agree with her doesn’t mean she’s going to sleep with you.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
Well, perhaps you can visit our magic land. Be sure to stop by a Chick-Fil-A and shake the manager’s hand for their “courageous” stand against gay marriage.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
Yes. The whole invading-Russia-in-late-June thing kind of proved that.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
South – Bama, Miss, GA, Florida, Carolinas
Southwest – Texas, Arizona, New Mexico (Walter White’s home state)
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
i dunno…honestly, the rules of engagement given to american soldiers fighting insurgents hiding amongst civilians that are complicit is pretty bad. lot of americans killed by such wonderful human beings who beat their wives then accuse their wife of adultery leading to her getting stoned to death just to avoid any punishment.
…
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
There’s a ton of speed traps and a truck stop. That’s. About. It.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 AM
texas is TEXAS.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 AM
83 isn’t close to Western Maryland. It runs straight from Baltimore City (President’s St) to Harrisburg, PA before ending at I-81.
Reinforcements. Send in the first boat, the entire platoon is wiped up, soldiers are reassigned, they get wiped out, etc.
Shit, the 101st airborne (of Band of Brothers fame) had something like a 160 percent casualty rate.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Sounds like it should be on highway 58.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 AM
On list of greatest military errors in world history, this might be number one.
So if we get slapped at Omaha beach the Allies just give up? Not likely. Going into USSR and losing tons of trops in Stalingrad seems like a much worse choice.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 AM
I mean, we all know this. It’s still located in the southern part of the United States.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Texas is too big, is what it is. Part of that state falls in southwest and the eastern border is definitely the south.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Agree with this. The Mason Dixon line may occur at the PA-MD border, but I do not concur. Maryland is not South to me, as well as FLA. Florida is the land of the Seminoles, glory days of the Mob and Disney World.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
dougb0001 was right with dmcd1974 during the discussion about gays. If I recall, doug said gays were “gross” and mentioned something about them being angry.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
I mean, Vermont’s filled with a bunch of hippy weirdos. Doesnt mean we could just kick them out of New England.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Here’s my definition: if your state fought for the Confederacy, you’re in the South. Therefore, Texas is in the South as is Florida.
Sorry Kentucky, you’re just a stupid border state that likes to pretend it fought for the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
What’s this about angry ‘mos?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
There are a few parts of NC that are culturally more North now than South with all the transplants. If I’ve heard “We don’t do it that way in the north” once, I’ve heard it a million times.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
if you’d pay attention, the relation to geography is minor. it’s ok though, I wouldn’t expect a Yank like you to understand.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Texas is more SW that S
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
I recant.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 AM
in vietnam, the black ops MACV-SOG guys had over 100% casualty rate as well…they saw so many ops that they almost always were injured in country and miraculously came back. the work was alternately so dangerous and addicting and available only to such a ridiculous level of soldier that it was almost accepted you were going to get hurt.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 AM
Funny story, I went to Disney World when I was 5, and I didnt think of Florida as the south either. We go out to this restaraunt and the waitress starts speaking to us, and I ask my parents, ‘why does she have a southern accent???’ Ok, not really a funny story.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
This is really the south, in a nutshell.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
I love Texas wanting regional soverignty. We’re not the South, we’re just “Texas!” Yeah, we get it, you’re a big dustbox but this shit don’t fly. Keep it up and we’ll call you Florida West.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
Gotta remember this was 1944. These bombers had to pound the coast at night with anti-aircraft fire raking their shit. I tend to give them a pass on not accurately dropping ordnance under those conditions.
Being on a WWII bomber crew was essentially a death sentence. I don’t remember the numbers off the top of my head but I think the casualty rate was 70-80 percent during the war, especially early as the superior German Messerschmidt warplanes shredded the slow, bulky B-32s and B-34s and their escorts.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
here’s the way i classify it…the south has three regions. southwest and southeast with texas being the triple stuffed cream in this rednecked oreo.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
If you’re in Fredericksburg, you’re in the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 AM
I am starting to understand what made SG snap at Miz. What a condescending little prick.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 AM
You wanna go?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 AM
/fixed
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:52 AM
If you will all donate $2000, I will both return to twitter and tell you what states make up the South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Oklahoma is Texas’s toupee and sits next to Arkansas. Impossible not to think of it as the south. Especially when they have such stupid “Oklahoma only” dress code rules.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
german invasion of russia and macarthur’s island hopping were both equally bloodsoaked blunders…one was successful thanks to a big ass bomb, the other wasnt. in both blunders, thousands needlessly died getting shoved into a meat grinder for their commander’s ego’s glorification.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
I really dont think we’re going to get a better answer than this. SHUT IT DOWN.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
DOWN GOES HERNIA DOWN GOES HERNIA
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
i swear to god, the preponderance of goateed gay-hating retards in this state make me think that ohio south of columbus is essentially alabama.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
To be fair, Miz is actually 6’8 with the afro.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Spencer, tell us how you really feel about Douglas MacArthur.
Also, didn’t island hopping make it easier to bomb Japan?
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Thanks for clarifying the casualty rate, guys. I was thinking it was the kill rate. How can same person die twice? I’m an idiot.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
I went to the Normandy beaches this summer. Recommended bucket list item for ‘Murricans.
The story of Pointe du Hoc is incredible.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
The entire USA is “the south”.
/Canada’d
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
True story. I had my friend in the NH State House introduce a referendum to officially recognize CT as seperate from New England. Sadly, it didn’t go anywhere.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
i actually like macarthur…he’s my twitter avatar after all…
and no. it made it easier for macarthur to fulfill his promise to return to the phillipines tho…
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Your ancestors were just shitty soldiers and couldn’t finish the job.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Agreed. I went to Normandy when I was 14 with my family. Fantastic experience that everyone should do once.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Yes. Spence, you have to remember that the plan was for an island invasion of Japan. We needed the airbases in the Pacific to bomb Japan, launch the attacking force on Okinawa, and prepare for the mainland invasions which thankfully never game.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 AM
YOU’D BETTER WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH TALKIN BOUT ALABAMA SPENCE I DON’T EVEN HAVE A FUCKIN GOATEE
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Little Mac saved a star for that vicious hook.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 AM
SHUT IT DOWN.
This is sad. (geographical, not pathetic)
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 AM
these bombers ran a dawn raid and were ordered to “hold off dropping until you were sure you were over land.”
nevermind how stupid that is if you have even the slightest thought regarding trajectory, but combine that with a marine layer of fog…
it was stupid as fuck. inexperience isn’t an excuse for ignoring physics. agreed that it wasn’t exactly an art form at that point, but still…cost TONS of lives.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 AM
I will never understand how those Rangers made that climb. Superhuman.
Normandy is definitely on my bucket list. No idea when I’ll be able to go, but I will go.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 AM
If Hitler never came to power, we wouldn’t have the Israel/Palestine conflict which gave birth to the jihadi movement that caused 9/11. We probably wouldn’t have had the Cold War. Arab world would look very different. Crazy how one person has such a shitty impact on the world 70 years after he dies.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Does not compute.
Did 1/3 of them die twice?
/might be that I haven’t had my am caffeine yet
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:03 AM
There is a ton of Texas is that is just like bumblefuck New Mexico. Hardly worth of regional naming independence. Get over yourselves New Mexico East.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:03 AM
The failed state of Mexico is the South. Everything else is America.
/crushes Budweiser 30-pack
//pisses in flag pajamas
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Oklahoma is Texas’s toupee and sits next to Arkansas. Impossible not to think of it as the south.
You Northern folks need to travel more. I don’t know any other way to convince.
I am starting to understand what made SG snap at Miz.
Is SG still around?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Casualty =/= death
Say the 122nd Marine division gets sent in the first wave and is completely wiped out. Generals would reassign other reserve forces into that division, which would also take great losses. Rinse, repeat. The practice became more commonplace later in the war, when soldiers would get injured, replaced, then return to the unit and injured again. That’s how Easy Company suffered a 160 percent casualty rate.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 AM
what the fuck? if you don’t read my comments with some flavor of jest in them then you’re doing it wrong. I come here for light banter and trading friendly insults while participating in said light banter. sorry my comments offended you.
I’ll alliterate my point better instead of making joking inferences…the south and The South are different. one is a geographic region and the other is a proper place whose culture is somewhat contrived but traces its roots back to goatherders from Ireland and Scotland. Texas is it’s own animal and Oklahoma is Texas-lite. while both of these are in fact south of the Mason-Dixon Line, neither are part of The South.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:07 AM
Yep. And Paradise begins. At least until you get to Savannah. Then after that…something other than paradise.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:08 AM
This right here is the crux of the last 100 or so comments.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Don’t take this the wrong way, but how much time can you spend at Normandy? I’ve been to Gettysburg and Arlington. I like history, but if I’d make a trip to France, I’m just curious about this. It’s like going to Hawaii. How much time would one allocate to Pearl Harbor?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Thanks for clarifying. I made the error of not refreshing the comments before posting my q. Had I not made that mistake, I clearly would have seen the explanations above.
/nods to the caffeine caveat in my original post.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Yes. Spence, you have to remember that the plan was for an island invasion of Japan. We needed the airbases in the Pacific to bomb Japan, launch the attacking force on Okinawa, and prepare for the mainland invasions which thankfully never game.
The island hopping invasion was just a reaction by Generals that they need to fight the Japanese somewhere. But strategically, it was a waste of soldiers. The Pacific war was a naval war, you did not need the atolls they captured to fight the naval war. I do not doubt that capturing the islands made conducting the naval war easier at times, but the costs of human life was not worth it.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I think we should just go state by state on this ‘South’ business:
Louisiana – SOUTH
Mississippi – SOUTH
Alabama – SOUTH
Georgia – SOUTH
Tennessee – SOUTH
South Carolina – SOUTH
Arkansas – SOUTH
Anybody care to continue with the “tougher” choices?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:17 AM
I’d love to get Vez’s take on this.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Yep, I’m done.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:18 AM
If Hitler never came to power, we wouldn’t have the Israel/Palestine conflict which gave birth to the jihadi movement that caused 9/11. We probably wouldn’t have had the Cold War. Arab world would look very different. Crazy how one person has such a shitty impact on the world 70 years after he dies.
WWII accelerated the Jewish migration to Palestine but the Jewish people were settling and buying land long before WWII.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Books/Story835.html
The British actually restricted Jewish immigration during the war years
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Thats about it
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 AM
My first date with my now-wife was Saving Private Ryan. Got off to a real awkward start as you might imagine.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 AM
I tend to agree, I just don’t know how you get the Japanese out without a land force. These guys were dug the fuck in. The airfields on those islands allowed the Japanese to wreak havoc on our Navy and prevented the Allies from having strategic points from which to launch an invasion of Japan. At some point we needed to take the atolls.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:20 AM
The truth if I’ve ever read it.
/East Texan
//Not Southern
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Virginia – South Kentucky – South Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona – Southwest
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Don’t take this the wrong way, but how much time can you spend at Normandy? I’ve been to Gettysburg and Arlington. I like history, but if I’d make a trip to France, I’m just curious about this. It’s like going to Hawaii. How much time would one allocate to Pearl Harbor?
I have not done the trip, but reading the history of D-Day numerous times from different sources I would be able to spend 3 days driving along the Normandy coast stopping at cities where major battles happened. The beaches obviously, the towns where the paratroopers made initial in roads, and then driving towards Paris along the roads that the Allied forces used to make the push to recapture the city. But I doubt my wife would let me do more than a drive to the coast and the cemetery.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:24 AM
I’m in the same boat. I’d get half a day, max.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Southern virginia? Definitely the south. Northern virginia? Delirious
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Also, the success of Manhattan project wasn’t a total certainty right?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Easily explained: Texas is NOT PART OF THE SOUTH EITHER.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 AM
At some point we needed to take the atolls. Needed to take some of the Atolls, not all of them. Also, the Phillipines was taken mainly by the Navy, not air support from nearby islands. I think they were Generals and Admirals looking to prove the US was ready to fight and that pride was what killed lots of good Marines.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Correct. They were trying to split the atom. Never been done before.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 AM
I’m in the same boat. I’d get half a day, max.
I can’t even sell her on a Gettysburgh/ Antietam trip, which is a nice fall weekend.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Both northern and southern vagina are OK by me.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 AM
I hope you didn’t get caught making out.
/ Seinfeld’d
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Oppenheimer fascinates me. He’s a supremely underrated 20th century historical figure. He wasn’t the definitive expert in any of the Manhattan project areas, but without his broad-level genius it’s doubtful the project would have worked, or possibly in it’s timetable. There are a few good bios on him out there.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Nope, just the War of Imminent Secession.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 AM
You talking about the Alied atom bomb, or the ones the Germans and Japanese were working on?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:48 AM
No love for Billy Hamilton breaking the pro-baseball steals record last night?
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 AM
People who are not from the South will never understand the South. Also, they lack manners.
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:52 AM
West “by God” Virginia
August 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 AM
I live 40 minutes from Gettysburg and we’ve been once in four years. To her credit, she enjoyed the experience.
Ours. The Germans and Japanese were a long way away from developing a viable nuclear weapon.
August 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Like Texas, a place unto itself and a state of mind both.
August 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I left them out, along with Maryland, because some of the more southern delegates in this debate have them left out too. However, if it really came down to it i’d take both of them.
August 22nd, 2012 at 11:08 AM
I have read that the Japanese tested (or were preparing to test) a bomb just as the war ended.
The U.S. bomb program began because the U.S. knew Germany was working on one.