Michael Phelps is Magnificent, But Carl Lewis is the Greatest Olympian of All-Time
Michael Phelps now holds the world record for most Olympic medals with 19. His 2008 Beijing performance – eight goals, eight olympic records and seven world records in eight events – is almost surely the most dominant Olympic performance ever. Greatest Olympian of all-time though? We’re sticking with Carl Lewis.
Two Different Events: Carl Lewis was Earth’s fastest man. He won back to back golds in the 100m in 1984 and 1988. He won gold in the 200m in 1984 and silver in 1988. He was part of two gold-winning 100m relay teams. That wasn’t even his best event. He won four-straight golds in the long jump. That would be like Phelps being what he is as a swimmer AND being the world’s elite 10m platform diver.
Longevity: Carl Lewis won a gold medal in four consecutive Olympics. He qualified to compete in five different Olympics, but was blocked from competing in the 4x100m relay and the long jump as a 19-year-old after the U.S. dropped out of the 1980 Moscow Games. That is impressive in skeet-shooting. This was track and field.
Lewis has a strong case to be considered the greatest athlete of the 20th Century. If only he had not soiled his legacy by throwing a baseball or singing in public.
[Photo via Getty]

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Another great athlete who found another sport after his NBA prospects flamed out.
August 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Or failed a shitload of drug tests that the USOC never enforced.
August 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
FTFY
/ Lamar Latrell’d
August 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Semantics? That’s a post.
August 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM
At least he wasn’t a javelin thrower, so they didn’t have to accommodate his limp-wristed throwing style.
August 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM
I agree. Phelps benefits greatly from the number of medals that swimmers are able to get. If they had 100M running, hopping, running backwards, running while boxing air, etc….I like Lewis’ chance to pick up some more medals.
I also think there’s just something about the 100. Everyone with legs lined up at some point in the life and saw how fast they were. By the time we get to the Olympics – I believe we’re truly talking about the fastest people in the world. Few people learn how to swim properly and have the access needed to compete. Very few African American swimmers, you may have noticed.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Michael Phelps is Magnificent, But Carl Lewis is the Greatest Olympian of All-Time
Michael Phelps, Olympics, Track & Field
Kanye West August 1st. 2012, 2:53pm
It’s a tired trope but the association is still there
August 1st, 2012 at 3:01 PM
We see what you did there.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Carl’s kickin an impressive bulge in that pic
August 1st, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Link bait
August 1st, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Duncan Meyer is Magnificent, But Jerry Seinfeld is the Fastest Runner in All of Ninth Grade
August 1st, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Carl’s kickin an impressive bulge in that pic
/coop’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Few people learn how to swim properly and have the access needed to compete.
Cost of a pair of air jordans is about the same as a pool pass for a year. I am pretty open minded on equal access but this isnt true at all. If you want to say the black american culture doesnt encourage youth to swim, that might be different.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Trust me, it’s an illusion.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Pretty sure it’s a cock’n'ballz to me.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Well, for one thing, they don’t have the buoyancy.
/ Campanis’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Hell yeah. Sign me up. Also, once golf makes it to the big leagues in 2016, there should be an event for “Best Practice Swing”.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Yeah, and Ben Johnson was faster than Lewis.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
that’s a fucking stupid argument, neither could compete against the other in their respective sports. i’m sorry it’s just a lazy Skip Bayless argument to even make.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
That picture is pretty pimp. Everyone cowering in the rain, and Lewis going all, “What! What!”
August 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Yeah this needs a GIGANTIC asterisk because of Johnson.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Ooh, ooh, ooh!
If you don’t put down that malt liquor and chicken wings, and get behind someone other than a running back who stabs his wife, you’re NEVER gonna learn to swim!
August 1st, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Tell me more.
/coop’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
It would be, if you were a complete fucking idiot.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Also running the 100m and competing in long jump is more like Phelps competing in all the different swim strokes, except the latter is more impressive.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
I love setting em up and lettin you guys knock em down
August 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Redundant
August 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Storytime with H-town?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I’m looking for a non-spammy way to invite interested TBLers to a football pool. Any suggestions? Post an email address?
I don’t want to come off like the Sultan of Nigeria here.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
He used to sometime work out/shower at the “gay” gym in Houston. He seemed a lot more feminine in person than on TV, at least in that environment.
/NTTAWWT
August 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Ben Johnson:Carl Lewis::Barry Bonds:Hank Aaron
August 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Right. The skill of being insanely fast in no way benefits your long jump performance.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Long jump = ability to gather momentum through running speed, and a combination of power and timing. That is nothing like running at all, Stuffy.
Diving is also an acrobatic/artistic sport. It’s not a contest of strength, to see who can dive the furthest.
/gravity
August 1st, 2012 at 3:18 PM
No love for Bruce Jenner?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Again, Carl Lewis failed numerous drug tests which the USOC admitted should have disqualified him but they never enforced them.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
My great uncle was a really cool guy growing up. He knew Jesse Owens as they grew up in Cleveland together and ran against each other in high school. He used to say he has more 2nd place ribbons than anybody.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Not since he smeared himself with Kardassian jelly.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:20 PM
I think everyone is forgetting the most important thing about what Phelps has done, that is it’s been over the two most recent Olympics. Obviously that trumps whatever Oldy McRetired over there did.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Phelps has to be fast in short races, really long races, relay teams, be the master of different types of swim strokes, and do it for 4 years instead of 3 to beat a guy who only won 4 because someone tested positive?
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=active&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&biw=1382&bih=708&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=g85ccV2Y_z18GM:&imgrefurl=http://simplybecauseitis.blogspot.com/2012/06/yeah-okay-sure-uh-huh-right-dude.html&docid=dstrwF0MPfp8_M&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I22dNLv98ss/T9L23PWKFKI/AAAAAAAAKVU/UNuXfyKFl58/s1600/yeah%252Bokay.gif&w=245&h=285&ei=lYEZUO2JNKXf6wGDgIGYAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=178&vpy=142&dur=1890&hovh=228&hovw=196&tx=118&ty=127&sig=109417921962929137198&page=1&tbnh=157&tbnw=115&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76
August 1st, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Oh boy link fail
August 1st, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Phelps won eight medals at the 2004 games, too.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
If the implication is that Johnson and Bonds were better than Lewis and Aaron, regardless of steroid use, yes, I agree.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Also, Hope Solo is pissed that she can’t comment over in the Brandi Chastain post.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
I need to download the sarcasm font add-in.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:24 PM
I realize you weren’t being serious, but people have actually been using the recent history thing as a notch against Phelps but seem to forget it’s not like he came on the scene in Beijing.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Bill Brasky once took a bubble bath with Bruce Jenner
August 1st, 2012 at 3:26 PM
I read the illogical poorly-written crap McHuffington writes, and assume University of Michigan just a glorified community college with a big football stadium, and smoke and mirrors academic policy.
I mean… even their one US President never got elected.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:26 PM
rayces’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
/ Debate that suddenly sprang up in the Hoog post
August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
BTW, Tuffy’s argument is getting all sorts of fist-fucked. Therein lies the problem with not having TBL around: eventually, due to the sheer volume of posts you will be forced to make, you are bound to say something stupid/wrong at some point in the day.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
At least Aaron could throw out a runner at the plate from deep shortstop.
/Bream’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
People do love them some recency bias.
I think Dan O’Brien is actually a more decorated decathlete than Jenner.
/I’m old enough to remember when he was the guy on the Wheaties Box.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Thass insultin’.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:29 PM
What about the fatty in the roundup pic from yesterday?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:30 PM
The one thing I think swimming could evaluate is the distances. Since there are lots of overlap winners, consider adding a 800 and 1600 and removing a shorter distance. I realize this would never happen due to people hating to break tradition.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Not being American, what I consider “memorable” isn’t going to be the same as you guys. What I’ll most remember about the 2008 olympics will always be Usain Bolt absolutely crushing the 100 and 200M race. It’s one thing to run away from your competition. He left his opponents in the dust while taking it easy the last 15 meters or so. Just kept looking left and right and SLOWED DOWN and still broke the World Record.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:30 PM
He was quite a spud back in the day. Er, stud.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:31 PM
One of those relay golds for Carl was a pity gold. They had him run on some pre-lim relay.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:31 PM
WTF are you talking about. The women have an 800 and men have a 1500 (or 1600, cant remember).
August 1st, 2012 at 3:31 PM
not going to argue with this, carl lewis was unreal.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Poland is NOT under the communist yoke! See, Jerry was right!
August 1st, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Swimming fans – is there a race in swimming that’s the equivalent of the 100M in T&F? The “holy grail” of the sport, so to speak?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:33 PM
Track and field has more events than swimming. And I think they are exactly the same if you just count running events.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:33 PM
I’d be in favor of adding the following events to swimming:
1. Underwater Distance Test – you jump from the edge of the pool and see how far you can swim underwater without coming up for air.
2. Cannonball Jump – you take a running jump from the edge of the pool, and do a cannonball. Score is based on distance and height of water splash. Also, none of that “can opener” bullshit, either.
3. Gather the Rings – Rings are thrown into the pool in random spots. Swimmer has to gather as many as possible while holding one breath of air.
See a trend here?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:34 PM
The 50 free is the fastest sprint, but since it has a turn and is less dependent on starts, I still think the 100M free is where the ‘fastest swimmer’ is crowned.
Just based on the time involved at max effort, that is about the 400M equiv runnning I think.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Because he cheated.
And still wasn’t the best at what he did.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
I would think it’s the 50m freestyle.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
A better debate would be: hottest Olympic babe of all time.
I’m going with FloJo.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
I still think relay medal should count for 1/4 of a medal when talking about individual medal counts. If USA basketball wins gold, the USA’s medal count doesnt go up by 12.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Confession: I’m spending a portion of my afternoon looking on my soon-to-be-kindergartner-son’s school’s web page to see if his teacher is hot.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Which we just took gold in five minutes ago. AMERICA!
August 1st, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Gotta go 100M free. The 50 is so dependent on starts. Thrown in a turn and another 50 (and the swimmers are still basically going full bore) and i think its the best all around “grail” race.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:37 PM
I’ll go with Summer Sanders.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Not being American, what I consider “memorable” isn’t going to be the same as you guys. What I’ll most remember about the 2008 olympics will always be Usain Bolt absolutely crushing the 100 and 200M race. It’s one thing to run away from your competition. He left his opponents in the dust while taking it easy the last 15 meters or so. Just kept looking left and right and SLOWED DOWN and still broke the World Record.
anything bolt did was easily the most impressive and memorable thing to me about the 08 games.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:37 PM
WTF are you talking about
I looked at the london2012 site I didnt see them. It’s quite possible that site is lousy.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Ohheelyeah – I agree, see #65
August 1st, 2012 at 3:38 PM
It’s Katarina Witt and it’s not even fucking close.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Carl Lewis also did this. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jamJ4-C_TME
Advantage Lewis.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:39 PM
That was a great race.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:39 PM
I’m going with FloJo.
thick
/but that’s a man baby
August 1st, 2012 at 3:39 PM
/ Cue Van Halen …
August 1st, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Almost forgot about her. The Playboy spread and everything. Yeah, I think this is it.
But I still like Summer Sanders.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Because he cheated.
And still wasn’t the best at what he did.
okay, then who was better during carl’s career?
August 1st, 2012 at 3:40 PM
I actually have found the site surprisingly helpful, but my expectations were low.
The 1500M free is Fri/Sat. Which is great for anyone who wants to watch swimmers go back and forth in a pool for 15 minutes.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Winter olympics dont count.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Good god yes, she didn’t go arsty with the Playboy shoot like Amanda Beard, just let it all out like a goddamn hero
August 1st, 2012 at 3:41 PM
that is hilarious!
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Yeah, I’d like to slime her.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
And if they did it’d be Lindsey Vonn.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
This is absurd- for so many reasons. As everyone’s already said.
Michael Phelps currently holds SEVEN world records. Carl Lewis has one.
I don’t think I’ll every see anything like Phelps again in my lifetime.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Actually, an argument could be made for the 200 Free. The 50/100 are for sprinters, who are able to get by on natural talent a little more than in the other events. The 200 isn’t exactly considered distance where it’s all about endurance, so it’s probably the perfect combo of speed/endurance.
Then again, the 200 IM contains all four strokes so…
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Ben Johnson.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:43 PM
I’m disagreeing also because then you end up on the other fucking side of the pool and you have to walk back to the start like a jackass to go get your warmup shit. Same reason I won’t run point to point marathons… “okay now I’m here, how the fuck do I get back?”
August 1st, 2012 at 3:43 PM
My nephew is a competitive swimmer. That shit is boring to watch when you don’t care about 99% of the participants.
Not only that, it’s like a sauna in those natatoriums.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
If they did, I’d go with Dorothy Hamill.
/ 1976, the winter of fwap
August 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Holley Mangold
/coop
August 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
I thought Amanda Beard was a little on the overrated side, I’m team Natalie Coughlin.
See i would say the 400 IM is the premier swimming event.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
But the question wasn’t “what is the fairest test”? I don’t think the 100 is the ‘best’ test of running ability, I’d think the 200 or 400 is better… but the 100 is where the ‘fastest man on earth’ is crowned. So even if the 50/100 aren’t quite the test of the 200F or 200IM, it’s still a more relevant answer.
IMO
August 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Phelps is racing in the 200IM right this second but I can’t link the stream because the site won’t let the site be linked.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Better a sauna than a shower.
/ Swimming USA pedo coach’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Say that real fast three times.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
stop trying to insert context into this post, don’t be silly.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Though I guess as a Holy Grail, maybe the 200 Free is more respected in the field. What the fuck do I know? My shoulder is jacked up and I can’t really swim anyway.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
KARCH KIRALY
/coop’d
August 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
The 400 IM might be the toughest, but it’s sort of a black sheep race for most swimmers. There’s a reason why they don’t have heats for it and just start with the semifinals.
In high school and college, the 500 Free is the normal distance event, though they have the 1000 Free and the 1500 Free at various times. That’s what everyone else other than those swimmers would call “break time”
August 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
I once watched Carl Lewis scissor kick Angela Lansbury
August 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Lochte and Phelps came in 1-2 in their semi. The Final tomorrow should be great.
/it’s a fucking semi, it’s not a spoiler
August 1st, 2012 at 3:49 PM
and when you really think about it, an olympic runner won’t beat an olympic swimmer in the pool and an olympic swimmer won’t beat a runner on the track, so trying to compare them and say one if the better GOAT is like saying Babe Ruth was greater than Jerry Rice.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
damn, carl lewis and angela lansbury scissored!
August 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
an argument could be made that it’s much harder to learn how to swim than it is to learn how to run. i would have always considered michael johnson to be the better athlete than carl lewis, btw.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:54 PM
hottest Olympic babe of all time.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
So that’s who the Scissor Sisters are.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
“In a 2010 paper published in International Journal of Design & Nature and Ecodynamics, Adrian Bejan, a professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, and his colleagues reported that black people have a higher center of mass (i.e. shorter relative torso) that favors them in running sports and that white people have a lower center of mass that favors them in swimming.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_sports
Kind of an interesting idea. Of course there are good examples that would say otherwise.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Besides the fact that he failed drug tests twice after being busted in 88 and proved to be an average runner when he wasn’t juicing, even if Johnson was clean in 88, it was still just the 100, while Carl was approaching world record levels in the 100, 200 and the long jump. Johnson
August 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Well, he was greater in mass.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I’m sure that was well received.
August 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
/fixed
August 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Lewis was cheating too, Darrell.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Favorite thing about Michael Johnson – his wikipedia page lists his nationality as “Senegalese-American.”
August 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Weird seeing a Spanish swimmer on the podium.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:03 PM
This thesis received a standing ovation when presented at the 2011 Tea Party convention.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Fuck the Spanish. Bunch of beggars leeching off of Germany.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
This Chick-Fil-A thing is so ridiculous. Both sides acting like annoying children.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
2010 World Cup still smarts, I see.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Except for the guy who won eight gold medals.
This might be the quintessential TBL post.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
And 2008 European Championship. It’s fitting the Germany has double the number of Silver medal as compared to gold, considering we’ve mastered the art of coming as close to winning without actually winning. Seriously, we should just change the motto. Germany: We’re number two!
August 1st, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Could be worse, Japan have eleven bronze medals thus far.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:12 PM
miz – that was excellent.
+ all the points you can carry
August 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Given the Teutonic predilection for scat porn, this is queasily on target.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:14 PM
I saw a RT on Twitter that Phelps has more overall medals than 148 of the 205 countries that participate in the Olympics.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Brazil — the whole fucking country — has fewer Olympic golds than Phelps does…in its entire Summer Olympics history.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Who’s currently in threeve?
August 1st, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Fuck the Spanish. Bunch of beggars leeching off of Germany
Ruh-roh
August 1st, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Of course I’m kidding. I say outlandish things here all the time. Most of which I don’t mean.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Really, Duffy? I expect more out of you, especially since you were at one time exposed to some of the best swimming in the country as a high school kid. tsk tsk. bad form.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Why I come back to this site. Bra.vo.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:47 PM
But historically they rule in The Beautiful Game, so it’s all good.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:54 PM
Or it might be like being able to win using every distinctly different swimming stroke. Oh wait, he did that in IM. Swimming’s Quartathalon.
If you have never swam competitively, you wont appreciate how different back stroke is from breast stroke, and so on. Huge difference.
August 1st, 2012 at 5:26 PM
If you have never swam competitively, you wont appreciate how different back stroke is from breast stroke, and so on. Huge difference.
Aha! I’ve got you right where I want you now. I am actually Mark Spitz.
August 1st, 2012 at 5:31 PM
If you were talking about a standing broad jump, then maybe the comparison swimming and diving could hold water. But the long jump is based on SPRINTING down a track and then leaping over a sand pit.
Talk to me about a repeat decathlon champion and then I’ll listen.
August 1st, 2012 at 6:18 PM
agree. very annoying when people say that swimming is just swimming. breastsroke is an extremely difficult stroke, because of the timing of it. plus it helps to walk like a duck.
/walks like a duck
//doesn’t talk like a duck
August 1st, 2012 at 6:21 PM
smells like chlorine up in here
August 1st, 2012 at 10:32 PM
I don’t think you can even argue against Phelps. The 2008 Olympics solidified his greatest ever in my book with 8 golds and how many world records. 19 medals, 15 of them gold in how many events? This shouldn’t even be an argument.
http://www.sportmentary.com/2012/07/london-2012-usa-recap-for-day-4.html
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Carl over Michael any day.