The Dark Knight Rises Was Flawed, But Ultimately Great
The Dark Knight Rises wasn’t the film you needed. It was the film you wanted. Remember that quote? How many columnists and movie reviewers began articles like that in the last week? I bet a bunch. Can you blame them? Man, The Dark Knight was fucking awesome.
And so – in my humble opinion – was The Dark Knight Rises. TDKR wasn’t perfect, but I loved every second of it. If my bladder were stronger, I would have wished the movie went on for another hour.
*Spoilers ahead*
Which brings me to the problems with TDKR. I saw the movie in the afternoon, didn’t have anything to drink, went to the bathroom right before we entered the theater and it still took every bit of willpower I could muster to not pee my pants before getting out of the theater. 2-hours and 44-minutes is a long damn time. The director’s cut should include an intermission.
The Dark Knight trilogy is one of the best trilogies ever and you could make a case for it as the greatest trilogy ever. (Apologies to The Mighty Ducks.) For me the debate is whether or not TDKR is better than TDK. After one viewing of TDKR and approximately a thousand viewings of TDK, I have to say it’s close.
My first complaint about this movie I loved is that the audio mix was distracting. The booming score was awesome, but the dialogue was bad at times. People worried that Bane would be intelligible and he was at times. You get over it because of the action and the beautiful scenery, but the sound was my main problem.
Plus, I couldn’t tell how much Tom Hardy was acting and how much Tom Hardy was just standing around with a mask like the fucking Hulk. During the big fight at the end when Bane was throwing punches at lightning fast speeds, I just wanted to watch Warrior again. (Great movie. See it.) Tom Hardy is a monster. Luckily, Hollywood doesn’t make you piss in a cup unless you’re Lindsay Lohan so Hardy is good. Bane was never going to be as good as The Joker and that’s OK. Bane was imposing and awesome, even if his motives got a little muddied and less righteous towards the end.
Can we talk about the number of actors from Inception? I’m a massive JGL fan so I was able to get over his inclusion, but whenever I saw Marion Cotillard all I could think of was her sitting on a ledge threatening to jump. Talia al Ghul? More like Malia al Ghul, am I right?
Before moving on to the ending, I just want to pick a few quick nits. In 8 years, billionaire recluse Bruce Wayne couldn’t have fit in a trip to Germany to see Kobe’s knee guy? 8 years after TDK, he’s still limping around using a cane? He didn’t even bother having a physical therapist come over for some simple rehab? Come on.
How many times can a brother break his back and recover in a month? Sheesh.We’re supposed to believe that a little girl can make the jump of faith because she feared death, but no grown man could? And how in the world did Bruce Wayne get from the prison back to Gotham? He has no shoes and no wallet. And, at this point in the film he is broke. I guess fearing death allows you to run across oceans and not get tired?
Still, all this was better than anything that had to do with Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Anne Hathaway was great as Catwoman. She looked stunning (catsuit ftw) and brought the little bit of levity to the film that no one else was even asked to attempt. I would support a Catwoman reboot. There’s no way it could go worse than the last attempt.
Speaking of reboots… Joseph Gordon Levitt as the new Batman? (Not going to happen, I know.) Lozo wrote a terrific post about why that wouldn’t work (along with plenty of other concerns with the film) but it does go towards Bruce Wayne’s idea that Batman himself was an idea. (Or something.)
Which brings us to the ending. Oh, the ending. Ignoring the fact that the bomb did not go off more than 6 miles from Gotham for a moment… I don’t think there is any question that Nolan should have killed Batman. At the very least, the movie should have ended with Alfred’s nod. You know, like when Inception ended and we don’t know for sure if the top stopped spinning. I got into an argument about the ambiguity of that ending at the bar after TDKR. My friend is certain it stopped. I’m certain you’re not supposed to know. And that would have been fine for TDK trilogy. Not knowing if Bruce Wayne ever actually used the autopilot.
Instead, we got the happy, cutesy ending where Batman has fallen in love with Catwoman and magically has tea at the same Paris Florence cafe that Alfred mentions to him once without giving an actual location. In Bruce Wayne’s defense, wouldn’t you run off to Paris with Anne Hathaway?
Despite all of these stupid little things, I loved The Dark Knight Rises. Bane was awesome. Nolan’s chase scenes are some of the most visually stunning scenes you will ever see. I’m actually sad that I don’t get to see this movie for the first time again. It was too long for a single film, but what I always wanted was more time in the Dark Knight Universe. The fact that I had a few beers the night before shouldn’t be held against Christopher Nolan. Especially after he treated us to one of the best three-movie series in history. The Dark Knight Rises was a fitting and epic end to that series. It might not have been the best movie of the trilogy, but it certainly tried to be.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Umm, Florence.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Heh, I’m an idiot for reading this. I’m going to see it tonight
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Agree with a lot of your review here CRM. Good job
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My brother does believe that JGL will be cast in the upcoming JLA movie (Nolan being linked to either produce/direct) as Batman.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 PM
It wasnt a month, it was lik 88 days or something like that.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
i wonder why she keeps getting work…i can’t stand her.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
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July 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
And how in the world did Bruce Wayne get from the prison back to Gotham?
This bothered me more than anything else, along with him still being able to travel at the end without having any money.
Oh and it was Florence, not Paris.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Haha, me too! Except I’m pregnant, what’s your excuse?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
That was my biggest issue with the plot, just have to chalk that one up to “He’s fucking Batman”
Disagree on them killing him, that would be depressing just for the sake of being different…in essence then you’d have a trilogy whose main character is miserable all his life and then dies, I thought the whole point of the Bruce Wayne arc is that he finally is able to live life without being Batman
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Perfectly said.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Justice League…Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Wonderwoman…DC is planning on rebooting a bunch of them in the upcoming years. Hence, Man of Steel next year.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
i wonder why she keeps getting work…i can’t stand her.
Big tits. Did you see her profile inside of Wayne Manor before they did it on the floor by the fireplace? Those were some jugs.
I read that Nolan held off filming her scenes until after she had her son. So her scenes are within two months of giving birth. That’s where your boobs are heading CJ.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Go to nolanfans.com, they have some great insight on some of the nitpicks.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I can’t imagine he had all his money tied up in stocks, there would have been bank accounts to deplete and trust funds to buy expensive things with…plus I’m sure at some point those faulty transactions were undone
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
So Bane was P-whipped? For all of the gripes you could have with it (ie Bruce and Talia sleeping together, what did that accomplish exactly? And Alfred leaving didn’t make much sense. Also, how the hell could Commissioner Gordon remember putting a coat on a kid 20 some years in the past?) — it was a very entertaining film. The ending was satisfying — great trilogy.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
link?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Again, this is just as absurd as the refrigerator scene in Crystal Skull. Every single person in Gotham is dead when that thing goes off or within a few minutes, and the country has one hell of a fallout situation on its hands. Nolan mailed that shit in to a ridiculous degree considering how “plausible” his versions have been hailed as. Horrible ending device.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
I should also add to my list of Gripes was that a character as cool as Bane deserved two things: 1. A better backstory, or any backstory really and 2. A much MUCH better death than Selina Kyle blasting him then saying some witty one liner.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Did they say how far that prison was from Gotham? I was just assuming it was on the outskirts of town
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Definitely confirmed, she’s got some big stems.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Also agreed on Anne Hathaway. She didn’t blow anything away (aside from when she wore the catsuit), but her performance was solid.
This was a great write up, CRM. I enjoyed it.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Damien. Lazarus pits
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Man, I must have a huge bladder because I rarely have to go the bathroom during movies. Once I sit down, I’m staying for the whole movie.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
I can’t imagine he had all his money tied up in stocks, there would have been bank accounts to deplete and trust funds to buy expensive things with…plus I’m sure at some point those faulty transactions were undone
True. That along with some other parts of the story, I wish Nolan had finessed a little more. I wish that he had gone into Selina Kyle’s backstory beyond showing her DOB and mugshot on Bruce Wayne’s computer. Where did she learn her martial arts? How did she get mixed up with Bane and Talia?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Contracted out to get Wayne’s fingerprints I believe was how they got hooked up
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 PM
An Omar death. He stole that shit from Simon.
/Whitlock
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
link?
Here you go.
Now imagine them bigger because she just had a kid.
/NSFW
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Contracted out to get Wayne’s fingerprints I believe was how they got hooked up
So why did she know as much as she did about their plans? Even after Daggett’s guy tried to have her killed as she gave up the fingerprints, they seem to still allow her around and, despite knowing what she did, didn’t attempt to kill her again.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Stems are legs dude
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Damnit…it was a long weekend. Big melons…better?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Bane was horny after Talia put him squarely in the friend zone
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 PM
The fact that they’ve introduced Nigma and Daggett in the last two movies suggests to me that they’re keeping Riddler and Clay Face on the table for the future movies.
Clay Face could play into the fingerprints thing too in the long run.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
JGL is definitely growing on me since 3rd Rock
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Bane was horny after Talia put him squarely in the friend zone
I have a feeling that Catwoman is orally inclined. Bane, with that mask, wouldn’t be able to please her.
/this discussion just moved into Mallrats territory.
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 PM
When did they introduce Nigma?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
because of the goatse?
July 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I don’t know why the hell I just remembered this wrong but for some reason I was thinking there was reason to believe Anthony Michael Hall had that name but now I realize that’s wrong.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 PM
that was a really long time ago, wasn’t it?
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Definitely confirmed, she’s got some big stems.
Huge legs are a giant turn on
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Bane’s voice was awful.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
And yet Lincecum still has that haircut. Loser.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
If Nolan stuck around to do more, I would have loved to have seen him take on Penguin, Clayface or especially Mr. Freeze.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Huge legs are a giant turn on
Stop. No one is beating this today.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Tough to top film perfection with a character
“What killed the dinosaurs? The ICE age!”
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 PM
i, for one, am hot to squat.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 PM
\
Xenia Onatopp sees no issue with this
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Spencer hates Mary-Louise Parker because she doesn’t seem like she’s really stoned on Weeds and can’t see the appeal to Marion Cotillard. So Spencer was never quarterback and shouldn’t be allowed to lead a scout troop
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Also I’m sorry but making him Robin is gay as fuck. Make him Azrael, but not Robin.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 PM
anne hathaway is in this? is there some sort of alien twist to this movie? there has to be is she is in it.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 PM
i was searching for pics to make a huge legs joke when i stumbled upon this…that is one nice toilet.
/sfw
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 PM
yea, but i think mary lousie-parker is hot…i just think her character sucks. it’s just not realistic.
and i shouldnt be allowed to lead a scout troop because they dont give a joint rolling merit badge.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I read it as his name being Robin was just a wink to the fans and that he’d still become Batman or whatever, don’t think he’d use his real name for crime-fighting purposes
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I think he was the guy who was going to spill the beans in TDK that Bruce Wayne was Batman. I could be wrong.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 PM
and i shouldnt be allowed to lead a scout troop because they dont give a joint rolling merit badge.
If you had shot a guy in the stomach while you were caught up in the game and then had gone on to bang a W-list celebrity while being happily married or something you would totally understand that there’s a different reason you should never be a scout leader, you dikc metrofukcinsexual
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 PM
The accountant? His name was something Reese
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Shit, that’s right. Turns out I was wrong.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Shit, that’s right. Turns out I was wrong.
It’s a riddle
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 PM
I think he was the guy who was going to spill the beans in TDK that Bruce Wayne was Batman. I could be wrong.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 PM
the enlightened pothead wilfully ignores such attempts at calling one gay and makes pot jokes instead.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Ah, yes. That rings a bell.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Brady Hoke is losing control of his players!
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 PM
skipping this post. haven’t seen it.
Aquaman will not be in this. please God, no.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 PM
I’m trying to convince myself that the Russian scientist fucked it up somehow and the bomb didn’t turn out to be as destructive as first assumed but I did make this unfortunate connection in the theater
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 PM
I can’t even make a good Aquaman joke without feeling like I’m making an Entourage reference. Dammit, baby bros
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Seeing it in an hour, I am so viciously hungover I do not expect this to be a problem.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 PM
comrade, what it matter if uranium completely deplete? bomb go boom, uranium depleted anyways, nyet?
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 PM
What was the point of Bane turning the working class against the wealthy if he planned on blowing them all up anyway?
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
What was the point of Bane turning the working class against the wealthy if he planned on blowing them all up anyway?
Bane Capital
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
probably easier to operate when there’s mass confusion via riots?
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Torture Bruce Wayne per the requests of the Lady al Guhl
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 PM
League of Shadows wants chaos and bring everything back to zero, hence the Occupy Gotham movement
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Speaking of “Bane Capital” Rush Limbaugh actually has suggested that this is a liberal-Hollywood elitist conspiracy that the villian in the biggest movie of the year is Bane\Bain.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Between this and Bale’s over the top voice, I don’t think I understood half of the dialoge in the movie. Made me feel like an old man, constantly asking everybody what they said.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 PM
dude, and kevin duckworth died?!?!?!
WHAT A DAY.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 PM
dude, and kevin duckworth died?!?!?!
I figured that was already duckworthed — I missed it.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 PM
It was a deversion.
Biggest problem with the movie was Cotillard’s death scene. She went straight eyes shut, jerk head down. Everyone knows you go slow exhale with eyes open and then maybe roll your head back.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 PM
batman begins, TDK, TDKR – in that order.
i will say that Nolan does an excellent job devoloping and portraying his villains – by far the best parts of the trilogy.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Reminds me of a Far Side comic.
Bunch of cowboys are talking outside a bar, and one says, “Emmett, you’re stationed up top of that roof over there. And for God’s sake, if you do get shot, don’t just slump over. Make it exciting and throw yourself off the roof.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 PM
I really liked Bane’s dialogue but I too missed some of it. Definitely need a rewatch on a home television to has it all out.
Oh and I said this earlier elsewhere but Gary Oldman killed it in this movie.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 PM
that’s correct! here’s a sticker!
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 PM
gary oldman’s so good, he would’ve been great in witless protection…dude’s a pro.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I always enjoy doing a rewatch with the subtitles on so I can fully understand what the hell is going on.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 PM
that’s correct! here’s a sticker!
Robin is a fag.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I’m not a Hollywood insider or anything, but I think that’s called poor editing.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Tiptoes was Gary Oldman’s peak as an actor
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 PM
they should just strip away all the pretenses and rename him “bottom.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Brady Hoke is losing control of his players!
That site is such a mess I had to leave.
So is “Grammar and Spelling: An Idiot’s Review” a required course at Mich? He must have picked his web styling from theworldsworstwebsiteever.com
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 PM
I do not argue this. I felt like an old man at a few parts leaning in “eh, what’t that sonny?”. Of course I have horrible hearing to begin with but overall I could understand.
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 PM
No, my hearing just sucks anymore
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 PM
They did a How Did This Get Made podcast about that, made me want to see it…let’s make this happen, HBO
July 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Seeing it again in this week, but in IMAX this time.
I agree with CRM on all of this, pretty fucking awesome. Bane is nightmare fuel.
July 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 PM
Between this and Bale’s over the top voice, I don’t think I understood half of the dialoge in the movie. Made me feel like an old man, constantly asking everybody what they said.
I keep avoiding this movie because the last one was too damn long (and it sounds like more of the same with this one), the last one was too damn dark to the point I couldn’t tell people apart at times (us whiteys all look the same to begin with), and Bale’s fucking voice is shit to understand, try some inflection, chief. I’m getting tired of dark movies, though, fucking pay the power bill so I can see what’s going on.
July 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Tiptoes was Gary Oldman’s peak as an actor
They did a How Did This Get Made podcast about that, made me want to see it…let’s make this happen, HBO
Seeing it again in this week, but in IMAX this time.
There’s an IMAX version of Tiptoes?
July 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 PM
wife did complain about Bain’s voice. Batman’s voice was terrible.
still, a tremendous flick. I haven’t decided if it was better than the previous one with Heath Ledger
July 23rd, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Control + F yields zero results for “heist”. I don’t even know who you people are anymore.
July 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Exactly. I think it would have been nice a 60 second montage of how he got from point A-B.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Hathaway and JGL were great. Ending made me yell at the screen. At the start, bane’s voice mis sounded like sean connery. Enjoyed it overall. Dark Knight > Dark Knight Rises > Batman Begins
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 PM
I was impressed with Bane’s option trading prowess. Bankrupting a billionaire in a single batch of long puts.
Not a fan of Marion Cotillard here either.
Loved the Hans Zimmer score.
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 PM
TDK – Begins – TDKR.
Saw it a second time last night. Had to solidify my opinions. It’s a C+/B- movie. Thought Christian Bale did solid work. Loved everything about JGL in this one. His monologue abou figuring out Bruce Wayne was powerful. Wish they could have done more with Catwoman, but Hathaway did a good job with what she had. I liked that you could at least see the action in this one as opposed to the first one.
That said…
Holy Christ did Bane bother the fuck out of me. Tom Hardy’s wasted hiding behind a mask. He sounds like Darth Vader underground and a member of parliament above it. WTF? Does a 300 pound psychopath really sound like that? Dialogue was difficult to understand too. Christ’s sake, George Lucas–for all his faults–never had a problem with voices like that. And no venom? So, he’s just strong? Okay, how strong? Apparently strong enough to punch out concrete on a stone column while being Clubber Lang’d by Batman in the final fight ala Rocky 3. And what the fuck was the purpose of the mask again? To “keep the pain at bay”? Whatever, emo Bane. And for all his bluster, all his leadership and pounding of Batman, it turns out Bane is just a 300-pound pawn of a woman he has some kinda weird crush on.
Talia al Ghul has a long, storied history in the comics, and here she’s rendered into a cheap twist. Shit, even if I didn’t know about her in the comics, I’d be pissed because that was some poor storytelling choices. Speaking of which, a lot of plot points felt telegraphed in the movie.
And I’m not saying I totally hated the ending with Bruce living, but I feel like if you’re going to kill Batman, might as well really kill off Bruce too. At the very least, keep it more ambiguous as to whether he lives or dies, like the end of Inception.
I would go on, but typing this much on an iPhone is aggravating.
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:37 PM
I had no problems understanding Bane. I think you all have retarded ears
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 PM
At the very least, keep it more ambiguous as to whether he lives or dies, like the end of Inception.
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 PM
At the very least, keep it more ambiguous as to whether he lives or dies, like the end of Inception.
Am I the only one who thinks Bruce Wayne is dead? The bomb had a blast radius of 6 miles. No way Batman bails out and still lives, even if he fixed the autopilot. They still showed him in the bat helicopter over the water. He’s a goner.. Also, what are the chances of Alfred seeing Wayne in the same Italian cafe from his fantasy? He never told Wayne where that cafe was. The ending was exactly like Inception. It was Alfred fantasizing that Wayne made it out ok in the same way he fantasizes about him never coming back to Gotham when he was younger. He’s dead.
July 24th, 2012 at 1:13 AM
Another thing: Batman detonates the nuke out in the open ocean, right? Congrats, Gotham, you’re coastline is useless for the next 74 years or whatever that half life is.
July 24th, 2012 at 3:13 AM
Another thing: Batman detonates the nuke out in the open ocean, right? Congrats, Gotham, you’re coastline is useless for the next 74 years or whatever that half life is.
Ha! I just got back from it and this was the same thing I thought about. That was no 6 miles out over the water, anyway. But I think Batman’s alive. Nolan’s not above making cheap coincidences. And domestic Batman is going to be a key part of the Selina Kyle movie