Penn State Punishment: 4-Year Bowl Ban, Vacated Wins From 1998-2011, Fined $60 Million, Loss of Scholarships

All, Penn State Scandal Jason McIntyre July 23rd. 2012, 9:14am

Mark Emmert and the NCAA just slapped Penn State with severe penalties:

* Penn State has been fined $60 million

* 4 year bowl ban

* Vacated wins from 1998-2011

* 20 total/10 annual scholarship reduction for 4 yrs

* Any entering or returning players can transfer without penalty

Will that cripple the program?

Previously: Paterno Family Statement: “Tearing Down the Statue of Joe Paterno Does Not Serve the Victims”
Previously: Joe Paterno Statue Taken Down

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126 Responses to “Penn State Punishment: 4-Year Bowl Ban, Vacated Wins From 1998-2011, Fined $60 Million, Loss of Scholarships”

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Rick31 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Bobby Bowden – winningest coach in Division I-A history…
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GloriousMullet Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Will that cripple the program?
Probably not
/wanking motion
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Razor Shines Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Will that cripple the program?
Is this rhetorical?
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ButtersBC Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
If the Badgers can’t beat out Illinois, Indiana and Purdue to take that division this year I want Bielema gone before the bowl game
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angry Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Will that cripple the program?
Temporarily, yes.
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Chelsea Chris Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Indiana no longer has the worst record in the Big Ten the last dozen years.
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kaiserwilhelmreems is commenting too quickly Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Will that cripple the program?
it will hurt but it won’t cripple them.
it’s nice to see actual punishments for the time period in question, rather than just throwing the death penalty on them and punishing those who never had any involvement in the scandal.
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squawkbox Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Will that cripple the program?
I’ve never been a fan, but I hope not.
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MP III Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:18 AM
thats pretty stiff. but it needed to happen, so we can now focus on meaningful shit like the pga and the start of football.
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angry Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:19 AM
If the Badgers can’t beat out Illinois, Indiana and Purdue to take that division this year I want Bielema gone before the bowl game
Not even questionable whether Badgers beat out those three.
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MP III Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:19 AM
it’s nice to see actual punishments for the time period in question,
+1
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angry Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 AM
Silas Redd’s phone is blowing up right now.
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ButtersBC Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Finally, the stink of losing to a team quarterbacked by Anthony Morelli in 2002 is gone…the healing can begin in Madison
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Roethlishotdog Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:21 AM
it’s nice to see actual punishments for the time period in question, rather than just throwing the death penalty on them and punishing those who never had any involvement in the scandal.
That’s why I don’t get the 4 year bowl ban. If anything, just stipulate that all bowl revenue goes into the “fund” they have to create.
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TimmyTheEnchanter Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 AM
How we’ve gotten to a place where the NCAA can fine a public institution of higher learning sixty effing million dollars… yikes. Terrible.
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AssaultWithAConcreteDildo Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 AM
Mark Emmert can deliver more justice in a weekend than in ten years of your courts and tribunal, just stay out of his way.
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hailleroy Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 AM
So Jason – does this satisfy your bloodlust? Or should the NCAA have done more?
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Liquor Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 AM
20 total/10 annual scholarship reduction for 4 yrs
Seeing this elsewhere and doesnt know what it means. I heard reduction of 10 for 4 years, whats the 20 total thing?
Could have been worse, about in line with what I was expecting. Everyone has had their chance to wag fingers and get their pound of flesh. Time to move on, BOB will get it done.
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SpongeHarris Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Well I’m sure this will stop schools from ever covering anything up in the future.
/rolls eyes
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ButtersBC Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 AM
What was the actual charge, they able to find a way to pigeon-hole this into an existing NCAA violation?
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KC Resident Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 AM
* Penn State has been fined $60 million
Who gets the money?
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Jason McIntyre Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 AM
So Jason – does this satisfy your bloodlust? Or should the NCAA have done more?
so far, so good.
I hope the Big Ten gives them a TV ban, if possible
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AssaultWithAConcreteDildo Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
Now Bobby Bowden with his fake victories at Salem College is the best coach ever!!!
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ButtersBC Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
Who gets the money?
Somehow, Jim Delaney
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Urinal Mint Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Who gets the money?
The BCS
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hailleroy Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
I hope the Big Ten gives them a TV ban, if possible
I thought there was already a ban? BTN would only ban other sports – or are you saying a ban in excess of NCAA one?
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johndewar Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Seeing this elsewhere and doesnt know what it means. I heard reduction of 10 for 4 years, whats the 20 total thing?
I don’t get the math here, either.
A reduction of 10 schollys for 4 years would be 40 total, no?
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Roethlishotdog Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 AM
What was the actual charge, they able to find a way to pigeon-hole this into an existing NCAA violation?
They shoehorn’d it into the morality/institutional control measures. But, all penalties are to the football program/athletics and not the Schulz/Spanier led areas of the school where the biggest failures occurred.
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ohheelyeah Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM
So, what NCAA rule did they break?
/Serious question
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM
I hope the Big Ten gives them a TV ban, if possible
I dunno. I imagine their first televised game will be very high demand. I know I’ll want to tune in to at least the beginning.
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johndewar Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Who gets the money?
Somehow, Jim Delaney
Yes, because giving him more power would have prevented all of this.
/air wanking
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TimmyTheEnchanter Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM
So football is going to be making a lot less money, and the school is going to pay the NCAA’s $60 million fine, on top of what were already massive budget cuts from the state.
I’m sure PSU will just have to lay off some more folks and find more revenue in tuition and fee hikes.
“Justice”.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM
* Any entering or returning players can transfer without penalty
//Tires on Urban’s H2 squealing
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Roethlishotdog Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM
A former Committee on Infractions chairman and current Division I Appeals Committee member told ESPN.com’s Katz on Sunday the NCAA’s penalizing of an institution and program for immoral and criminal behavior also breaks new ground.
The former chair, who has been involved with the NCAA for nearly three decades, said he couldn’t use his name on the record since the case could come before him and the committee he still serves on in an appeals process.
“This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried,” the former chair said. “It’s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct.”
In other words – Mark Emmert thinks he’s Roger Goodell.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 AM
So Jason – does this satisfy your bloodlust? Or should the NCAA have done more?
If you don’t have bloodlust after following this case, you either don’t have kids or don’t have a conscience.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 AM
thats pretty stiff
/coop
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 AM
So football is going to be making a lot less money, and the school is going to pay the NCAA’s $60 million fine, on top of what were already massive budget cuts from the state.
I’m sure PSU will just have to lay off some more folks and find more revenue in tuition and fee hikes.
“Justice”.
aint no party like a blogger justice party cause a blogger justice party don’t stop for reasoned thinking.
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kaiserwilhelmreems is commenting too quickly Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
That’s why I don’t get the 4 year bowl ban. If anything, just stipulate that all bowl revenue goes into the “fund” they have to create.
the 4 year ban still allows players to play, even though they don’t get the chance to go to a bowl and get all sorts of free SWAG.
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Sir Spicious Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
They shoehorn’d it into the morality/institutional control measures. But, all penalties are to the football program/athletics and not the Schulz/Spanier led areas of the school where the biggest failures occurred.
Exactly. Everyone thinks that football is the cash cow of the school, but the current fundraising drive (led previously by Spanier) brings in 3x more per year. The operating budget that Spanier oversaw was over $4B per academic year, and the guy had no BoT oversight. This cover-up was lead by Spanier to protect Spanier. The fact that it was athletic staff was ancillary (IMO).
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Urinal Mint Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Still feel it’s wrong to punish the athletic program.
Punishment in a situation like this is so delicate because you affect so many people who are doing great things with the best intent.
So, the old man is dead and instead of lynching him in the streets, we punish 100,000 people that were affected by his lies.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Wait so THIS is their solution that doesn’t punish the innocent?
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
If you don’t have bloodlust after following this case, you either don’t have kids or don’t have a conscience.
Stupid.
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KC Resident Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
So, what NCAA rule did they break?
/Serious question
I would assume Lack of Institutional Control. But I didn’t click on the link.
/There was no link.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
But, all penalties are to the football program/athletics and not the Schulz/Spanier led areas of the school where the biggest failures occurred.
The courts will take care of them.
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KC Resident Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM
the 4 year ban still allows players to play, even though they don’t get the chance to go to a bowl and get all sorts of free SWAG.
No toast of the town for those guys.
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ohheelyeah Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
ELO – Out of the Blue (20yr anniversary) is rocking my office this morning. Couldn’t have kicked the work-week off any better. Jeff Lynne is a genius.
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Liquor Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
I’m sure PSU will just have to lay off some more folks and find more revenue in tuition and fee hikes.
WE GOT BLOOD…of the revenue that was put into the general fund used by the entire university.
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scripty Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM
There are some that any punishment of the program is unfair and undue. There are others that wanted a nuclear winter on football at PSU.
I am not sure how anybody could come to the “fair” penalty but somebody had to take a stab at it. I’m glad this is turning the corner. PSU elects to have football and be a NCAA member institution. It is a flawed governing body but the concept of a billion dollar sports enterprise intertwined in our schools of higher learning is flawed as well. But they exercised their lot and now the lawyers and press agents can have at it.
These are terrible things that have happened. Fairness went out the window a long time ago. Hopefully moving on will let the individuals move on in some peace.
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Coach Mike Woodson, Atlanta Hawks Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
How we’ve gotten to a place where the NCAA can fine a public institution of higher learning sixty effing million dollars… yikes. Terrible.
They don’t have to pay it.
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Sir Spicious Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
also, as I posted in the roundup, the fact that penalties stretch to a 1998 incident that was investigated by police and no charges were filed lets you know that this is simply a matter of appeasing the TBLs of the world and nothing more.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
If you don’t have bloodlust after following this case, you either don’t have kids or don’t have a conscience.
Stupid.
Very well thought out argument.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Very well thought out argument.
About as well thought out as your statement.
Tit for tat.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
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VladimirCrouton Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
//Tires on Urban’s H2 squealing
Come on down Dorian Johnson.
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ohheelyeah Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Tit for tit.
/that is not the expression
//Well it should be!
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angry Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
I hope the Big Ten gives them a TV ban, if possible
I hope not. Why should I be punished by not being able to watch my team play PSU?
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illformula Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Penn St should now go after Lane Kiffin.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
* Vacated wins from 1998-2011
This makes RichRod an almost .500 coach during his Michigan tenure.
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jdeeser5 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
1st decommittment just occurred. CB just left.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM
Very well thought out argument.
About as well thought out as your statement.
Tit for tat.
/awaits Bear’s more appropriate solution/punishment
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HawkEye Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
I’m wondering if schools will start to seriously reconsider membership in the NCAA. It’s a “special case” that won’t be repeated, until the next “special case” comes along.
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Liquor Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
We already agreed to it. Dragging it out only makes it worse. I think the “process” was ridiculous, but I actually like the outcome, quick punishment. We got the report, we took down the statue, punishment done. Camp starts in a few weeks and everyone can move on.
And I realize this is asking a lot, but I would implore my fellow PSUers to not whine and complain and bitch. Whats done is done, bitching wont change it, take our punishment, be contrite, and know that we’ll be back.
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TimmyTheEnchanter Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
That meeting, where PSU officials do the cost/benefit analysis of taking this to court… would love to listen to that.
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spencer096 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Will that cripple the program?
no moreso than having the alzheisman as coach for a decade.
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phillymantis915 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
Not just Penn St. filing lawsuits, rich PSU alums are going to file suit against the NCAA, Freeh and Big Ten. This is going to explode.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
Who would present it to the courts? Certainly not the BOT or the President.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
/awaits Bear’s more appropriate solution/punishment
I’m not going to act like TBL and pretend that I’m right about everything. I will say, however, that I agree with a lot of what people have said in this thread:
Roeth:That’s why I don’t get the 4 year bowl ban. If anything, just stipulate that all bowl revenue goes into the “fund” they have to create.
Timmy:So football is going to be making a lot less money, and the school is going to pay the NCAA’s $60 million fine, on top of what were already massive budget cuts from the state.
I’m sure PSU will just have to lay off some more folks and find more revenue in tuition and fee hikes.
“Justice”.
Urinal:So, the old man is dead and instead of lynching him in the streets, we punish 100,000 people that were affected by his lies.
And I’d be interested in Jay V’s reasoning:I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
HTML OVERLOAD!!!
/sorry everyone
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kazzythekid Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
I thought Marky Mark said PSU signed something which stated that they would accept the penalties and not appeal.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
We already agreed to it. Dragging it out only makes it worse.
Show me where that’s the case because I certainly have seen no report that states that. In fact, the BOT has retained Gene Marsh.
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cassino Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
This might eventually be known as the matter that pops the air out of the NCAA’s ever-increasing enforcement balloon.
By who? Penn State consented to this.
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spencer096 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
/awaits Bear’s more appropriate solution/punishment
a paddlin’.
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MP III Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I expect litigation in this matter, and I think that Penn State can win.
you really think so? i dont think PSU has enough to successfully win, and it will further drag this on. i think they threaten, but after the DD period, will pass.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 AM
They did waive right to appeal…via the NCAA appeals process. Not via civil action.
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SpongeHarris Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
By who? Penn State consented to this.
Other schools can’t be happy if this is the case.
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VladimirCrouton Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
Hopefully Matt Millen is on ESPN today
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 AM
Come on down Dorian Johnson.
Adam Breneman’s phone must be blowing up right now.
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kazzythekid Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 AM
How exactly is this worse than the death penalty? Stupid Jesse Palmer
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FKU Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 AM
PSU signed a consent decree so penalties are basically self-imposed
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
i dont think PSU has enough to successfully win
Really? They have a textbook due process argument. They could get injunctive relief in their sleep in this matter.
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ohheelyeah Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Kaiser – not sure if you got ban-hammer’d or not, but did you see my last suggestion the other night of Dr. Dog – Be the Void?
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
/awaits Bear’s more appropriate solution/punishment
And going back to your original comment, you must not be able to turn on the news or open a newspaper without having a coronary.
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vajayjay redick Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
This isn’t going to court. What’s done is done. PSU needs to pick up the pieces and rebuild with their new leadership in place. And whoever said this was “worse than the death penalty” obviously hasnt followed the SMU program for the past 25 years. The only way it would be worse than the death penalty is if PSU got kicked out of the Big 10, which I dont see happening. Maybe it’s naivete but I dont see PSU turning into Indiana/Minnesota on the field. They’ll suck for a few years and have the community rally around their depleted roster and then will go back to being a solid 4th or 5th place Big 10 team with the occasional top 10 season, which is pretty much what they’ve been for 15 years.
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VladimirCrouton Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Adam Breneman’s phone must be blowing up right now.
Kinda like his knee did.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
In any event…I am backing away from the statement that they will litigate.
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TimmyTheEnchanter Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
You know what would have been an enlightened approach?
To be as severe as they’ve been to the football program. Maybe more. Certainly the scholarship penalties and bowl ban are fair.
But then the NCAA could have coordinated with other member institutions to show that they intended no further collateral damage in this matter, and helped PSU make up budget shortfalls from the loss of football revenue.
PSU is one of only a few Div 1 schools whose athletic department actually operated in self-sufficiency. The NCAA could have helped sustain that.
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SpongeHarris Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Hopefully Matt Millen is on ESPN today
We need a fight to the death between him and Mark May.
And by fight to the death I mean they both end up dead.
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Jason McIntyre Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Penn State was on board with this punishment.
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KC Resident Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 AM
• A $60 million fine, with the proceeds going to an endowment fund for victims of sexual abuse
I found the answer to my question. Which only brings up more questions.
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MP III Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Really? They have a textbook due process argument. They could get injunctive relief in their sleep in this matter.
if this consent to accept and not appeal is true, i dont see what PSU can do. The NCAA could easily point out that PSU hired a 3rd party investigation that led to this punishment, and this would easily hold up as due process.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Endowment fund? Go on.
/coop
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kaiserwilhelmreems is commenting too quickly Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Penn State was on board with this punishment.
good.
i don’t see how they could say they opposed it w/o being destroyed. and if they opposed it, i’m sure the NCAA could have been much worse.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 AM
if this consent to accept and not appeal is true, i dont see what PSU can do. The NCAA could easily point out that PSU hired a 3rd party investigation that led to this punishment, and this would easily hold up as due process.
It’s moot now, anyway…but I absolutely disagree that a 3rd party investigation would “easily hold up as due process” — if Penn State hadn’t signed the consent agreement.
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Coach Mike Woodson, Atlanta Hawks Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 AM
PSU is one of only a few Div 1 schools whose athletic department actually operated in self-sufficiency. The NCAA could have helped sustain that.
Maybe the kid diddling drove the profitability.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 AM
And going back to your original comment, you must not be able to turn on the news or open a newspaper without having a coronary.
When it concerns kids getting raped in a public institution’s shower facilities that he was given the keys to by PSU’s Fab Four, yes. Better the punishment err on the side of overkill here.
And don’t worry about PSU’s funding. If their alumni have shown anything in the last year, it’s that the money will keep rolling in regardless of how egregious the crime. The school will be fine. The victims will not.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 AM
When it concerns kids getting raped in a public institution’s shower facilities that he was given the keys to by PSU’s Fab Four, yes. Better the punishment err on the side of overkill here
So what’s the purpose of a bowl ban and scholarship reduction if the Fab Four is either dead, in jail, or a combinatin of both?
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HawkEye Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Penn State was on board with this punishment.
If by on board, you mean signed off on them to try to escape more publicity, then sure.
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PAR5N2 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 AM
Ed Gennero’s phone is blowing up right now.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Ed Gennero’s phone is blowing up right now.
Straight Arrow Gennero. Legend.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 AM
So what’s the purpose of a bowl ban and scholarship reduction if the Fab Four is either dead, in jail, or a combinatin of both?
Like all NCAA punishments, it’s too late to punish those who committed the crimes. The courts will do that. But the NCAA is trying to set a precedent here. If PSU or any other school covers up something like this in order to protect the university and continue to bring in revenue, the NCAA will destroy the program.
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spencer096 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Ed Gennero’s phone is blowing up right now.
what about holly ~~mclane~~ gennero?
/picks up photo frame laid down
//sees picture of american who’s seen too many movies
///now i have a machine gun ho ho ho
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 AM
When it concerns kids getting raped in a public institution’s shower facilities that he was given the keys to by PSU’s Fab Four, yes. Better the punishment err on the side of overkill here.
he wasn’t given the keys by them.
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St. Bear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 AM
Like all NCAA punishments, it’s too late to punish those who committed the crimes. The courts will do that. But the NCAA is trying to set a precedent here. If PSU or any other school covers up something like this in order to protect the university and continue to bring in revenue, the NCAA will destroy the program.
So jail time and 9 figure civil suits aren’t sufficient deterrants?
“Well, I was ok with going to jail and crippling the University with lawsuits, but now we won’t be able to go to the Holiday Bowl! Fuck that. Joyce, get me a sports blog on the line, stat! I’m going to make their day.”
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spencer096 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 AM
When it concerns kids getting raped in a public institution’s shower facilities that he was given the keys to by PSU’s Fab Four, yes.
finds it funny that “given the keys” and “fab four” nickname was mentioned…you know, considering the fab five’s cheating and all that.
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Walking Underwear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 AM
I’m wondering if schools will start to seriously reconsider membership in the NCAA. It’s a “special case” that won’t be repeated, until the next “special case” comes along.
or….they could play within the rules
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 AM
So jail time and 9 figure civil suits aren’t sufficient deterrants?
“Well, I was ok with going to jail and crippling the University with lawsuits, but now we won’t be able to go to the Holiday Bowl! Fuck that. Joyce, get me a sports blog on the line, stat! I’m going to make their day.”
No, that’s not sufficient. Getting a school that makes 10 or 11 figures off the football program per year to write checks isn’t sufficient. The punishment is, IMO, an attempt to “change the culture”. You can argue all day whether or not it will actually work, but calling it to harsh is a joke when you consider what went on.
he wasn’t given the keys by them.
Based on his retirement package given to him by PSU (which was the 4 of them), he certainly was. He sat in Spanier’s fucking box for JoePa’s game to pass Eddie Robinson for christ sakes.
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Roethlishotdog Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 AM
The most laughable part of the punishment is the Athletics Integrity Monitor. What’s he going to do – read the AD/President’s emails? It’s not like there are recruiting violations going on.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Based on his retirement package given to him by PSU (which was the 4 of them), he certainly was. He sat in Spanier’s fucking box for JoePa’s game to pass Eddie Robinson for christ sakes.
he had keys based on his emeritus status not based on those guys having a key made and giving it to him.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 AM
he had keys based on his emeritus status not based on those guys having a key made and giving it to him.
You are correct. JoePa did not go to Home Depot and have the keys copied for him. They just didn’t take the keys away after they knew he was fucking kids in the showers.
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sousedbergin Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 AM
The most laughable part of the punishment is the Athletics Integrity Monitor. What’s he going to do – read the AD/President’s emails? It’s not like there are recruiting violations going on.
He has a rape whistle and he lurks in the change-rooms.
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Walking Underwear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 AM
The most laughable part of the punishment is the Athletics Integrity Monitor. What’s he going to do – read the AD/President’s emails? It’s not like there are recruiting violations going on.
the most laughable part of the Titanic was the paint on the smokestacks…
you and other PSU folks, why are you complaining? please share what should have been done IYO. I apologize if you’ve already made suggestions. I just don’t want to read complaints without alternate suggestions
I do respect the bold move of complaining about punishments in the face of horrific crimes and coverups
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 AM
The most laughable part of the punishment is the Athletics Integrity Monitor. What’s he going to do – read the AD/President’s emails? It’s not like there are recruiting violations going on.
the most laughable part of the Titanic was the paint on the smokestacks…
you and other PSU folks, why are you complaining? please share what should have been done IYO. I apologize if you’ve already made suggestions. I just don’t want to read complaints without alternate suggestions
I do respect the bold move of complaining about punishments in the face of horrific crimes and coverups
They don’t have any suggestions, I’ve already asked.
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Sir Spicious Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 AM
You are correct. JoePa did not go to Home Depot and have the keys copied for him. They just didn’t take the keys away after they knew he was fucking kids in the showers.
if you read the report, there was no legal mechanism for taking his keys away. weird.
you and other PSU folks, why are you complaining? please share what should have been done IYO. I apologize if you’ve already made suggestions. I just don’t want to read complaints without alternate suggestions
as Roeth mentioned, this was an administrative scandal that punishes the athletic department.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 AM
as Roeth mentioned, this was an administrative scandal that punishes the athletic department.
That would be sound logic if we weren’t talking about a school that was run by the athletic department. And after all, it was one of the coaches that was fucking the kids, not a trustee or an administrator. This was a football scandal as well, which people tend to forget. If it was a biology professor fucking kids in the lab, he would have been in jail in 1998.
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Liquor Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 AM
46yearslump wants MORE BLOOD. You should probably work on that anger issue.
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Walking Underwear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 AM
sir, i think it sucks that athletes and coaches whose programs benefited from football revenue will suffer, but the point was a stern warning to universities on what can happen in the future if a revenue-generating program runs off the rails.
the most injustice will be if innocent folks lose jobs.
that typed, any comments on ‘injustice’ will be compared to the past experiences and future plight of the Sandusky victims. if these punishments can prevent this from happening again, and of course we’d never know if they do, sacrifice of some innocents is a small price
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 AM
if you read the report, there was no legal mechanism for taking his keys away. weird.
That would have happened had they contacted the police. That was their “legal mechanism”.
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 AM
46yearslump wants MORE BLOOD. You should probably work on that anger issue.
Nope, I think the NCAA did what it could. I’m good, thanks. Just don’t understand the people that want LESS blood.
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Liquor Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 AM
I’ve said it already, but NCAA had to do something, I was prepared for worse, would have liked a little less, but I’m alright with things. I feel better today, think this allows everyone to move on.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:47 AM
That would have happened had they contacted the police. That was their “legal mechanism”.
who’s legal mechanism?
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Walking Underwear Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 AM
liquor, what punishment from NCAA do you think is appropriate, if any?
Any from the conference?
Not trying to bait you, really want to know. I do appreciate your comment asking PSU folks to zip it, take it and move on (that was you, right?)
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46yearslump Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Any from the conference?
Presser at 11:00 am. Possible TV ban or a ban on B1G postseason revenue sharing are some of the rumors….who knows.
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ddmcd1974 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Removing the wins is ridiculous. The reason being is because it was done to strictly “harm” Paterno since the fines and bans won’t since he is in a box. When the head of an organization lays punishment simply to harm a reputation or legacy it makes it nothing more than a witch hunt. Paterno’s rep and legacy is stained all accolades being removed etc. have taken care of that and will continue to on its own.
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cracker jack Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Removing the wins is ridiculous. The reason being is because it was done to strictly “harm” Paterno since the fines and bans won’t since he is in a box.
Seems doubly ridiculous that it goes back to 1998, when seemingly nothing was covered up, and the allegation was full investigated by the DA.
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GloriousMullet Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Removing the wins is ridiculous. The reason being is because it was done to strictly “harm” Paterno since the fines and bans won’t since he is in a box.
It was the only way to punish Penn State for its actions during that specific time period.
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ddmcd1974 Says:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:30 AM
No. He is trying to punish Paterno not Penn St. If you cannot see that then you must have a backwards mullet.