Penn State Death Penalty Case May Be Tenuous, But It Feels Increasingly Justified
Penn State’s Sandusky coverup scandal is beyond the NCAA’s purview. The alternate view is Penn State’s scandal is merely beyond anything the NCAA has had to handle. NCAA president Mark Emmert termed the Sandusky coverup “as systemic of a cultural problem as it is a football problem.” He told Tavis Smiley: “We’ll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are,” suggesting that penalties may be forthcoming.
The NCAA getting involved is tricky in this case, as anything short of the death penalty would seem petty and trivial. It could be football death. It could be athletic department death. The case for either, narrowly viewing NCAA bylaws, might be tenuous, but to many, such a penalty will feel increasingly justified.
Preserving Penn State’s $53 million per year football profit machine was the major contributing factor to the Sandusky coverup. This machine has assumed an inertia irrespective to the individuals involved. Even the horrifying revelation, that university officials knew about and did not report Jerry Sandusky raping a child in the football program’s shower facility, did not stop Penn State football. The program barely slowed to jettison its iconic architect Joe Paterno.
This scandal was purportedly bigger than football, yet Penn State football was in no way obstructed. The Nebraska game, mere days afterward, proceeded as scheduled, with a silent prayer only a momentary delay. It fell to Nebraska head coach Bo Pelini to provide a voice of reason heard nowhere at Penn State.
I didn’t think the game should have been played, for a lot of different reasons. My job as a football coach is to educate and to prepare the kids that come into the program for the rest of their life and that’s what we are. We’re a university system
The situation that’s going on is bigger than football. It’s bigger than that game we just played. It’s bigger than the young men in the game who would have missed it had they called it off.
For Penn State the situation was not bigger than the young men who would have missed it. Penn State kept playing and put them forward as an excuse. Missing Senior Day against Nebraska would have been unfair. Not finishing out their season would have been unfair. It would have been unfair to deny them their trip to the Big Ten Title game had they earned it. Penn State was so toxic to bowl games they fell to the TicketCity Bowl, but declining said invitation to a frivolous exhibition game would have been unfair. The innocent players will be the primary argument should the NCAA try to impose the death penalty.
Purported player concerns, however trivial, trump all decency, because they are a flimsy mask for the true concerns of football obsessed adults. Those profitting, enjoying or administrating are unable or unwilling to even conceive something could derail Penn State football. This intense denial has extended into attempts by the university and the community to address the scandal.
Wagons have circled around depravity. Eight months of exacting analysis in the Freeh Report are discounted. Rationalizations for improper behavior from many surpass all reason. Even removing the statue of a man who conspired to permit a child rapist to run amok for a decade to cover his own ass is too inflammatory for the school to address at this time. A Board of Trustees member suggested it should stay because it celebrated the good things Paterno did, which presumably was not finishing 5-7 every year. Removing the halo on the infamous mural was deemed a significant concession. He had a fucking halo!
These adults feeding this culture are Penn State. They do not get it. They are not going to get it, as long as football proceeds. Left alone, normalcy will return. The normalcy of the foul environment that caused this mess. The obsession with Penn State football transcends a cult of personality. It is an addiction, and one that has engendered a grievous human cost. Forcing “the Penn State family” to go cold turkey from football would be drastic, vengeful and almost certainly unfair, but a silent fall Saturday or twelve might bring things into perspective and break a treacherous cycle.
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July 17th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
I think a 3-4 year bowl ban and major scholarship reductions would suffice.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
For the past week, every day I think I’ve read the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, yet every day someone manages to top it.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
I’m not sure.
No snarky remark. No OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!
I’m just not sure.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
It’s laughable to think this would in any way change how people feel about football…at Penn State or any other major college.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Great line.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Bo Pelini’s still an asshole. And Urban Meyer’s the new daddy to all the top recruits in Pennsylvania.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Nailed it, Duffy
July 17th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
Honestly, does ANYONE here really expect Penn St to be relevant anytime in the next 10 years regardless of NCAA Sanctions?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
SHUT IT DOWN
July 17th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
I’d prefer to wait until somebody with subpoena power comes in and asks questions about crimes outside of Sandusky. Then you will have real testimony, provided under oath and not hearsay, that can be used to judge the scope of Penn State’s dereliction.
Until you have that, NCAA speculation is middling. I mean, have they even discussed compensating the victims?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
So did the Freeh Report cause you to change your mind or just the behavior of the school in the last ten days? What exactly happened to go from “vengeance for the sake of vengeance” to “SHUT IT DOWN”?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Not bringing much to the table, chief.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Sushi for lunch always makes the day better.
/FIX THE SITE JASON
July 17th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
SHUT IT DOWN
I know! This spam blocker thing is really getting to be annoying
July 17th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Funny Stuff. SEC Media Day Bingo.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:23 PM
Duffy nailed it….nicely donee
July 17th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
How about keep the program running but mandate that are proceeds from football go into a trust for the victims fund.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Whatever happened with the Miami investigation? When’s their judgment day? Or North Carolina. Haven’t heard much about the Basketball teams involvement in the academic fraud on the mothership.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:26 PM
The problem with the death penalty in this case is this: the only time it’s happened before, the players at SMU were complicit in the violations. This time, the players aren’t.
I’m not saying that the death penalty isn’t possibly warranted. But this difference causes me to pause before asking for it.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:27 PM
Again wait for the court outcomes, I forget who said it but a forfeiture of home games, players able to transfer out without penalties and bowl ban. I do not want PSU profits from football settling their civil suits as it would justify keeping their mouths shut and football machine running. They should not profit from their silence any further until this is resolved.
Although on the other hand would this not totally destroy the town?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:27 PM
Agreed. Follow Notre Dame’s lead.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Some would point out that this penalizes players who had nothing to do with the scandal.
Here’s a solution, for whenever NCAA sanctions are applied because of coach/booster/administration wrongdoing that the players were not party to: When the program is penalized, players get the option of transferring immediately to any other program, without having to sit out. If they choose to stay, they know they’re taking a bullet for the program, and it’s their choice.
I was going to suggest calling this the Calipari Rule, but his players are all gone after a year anyway.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
A well stated perspective Duffy, but one I don’t agree with. I’m frankly sick of people talking about the “culture” of Penn State or of college football in general as if that is some tangible state of mind that can be calculated and punished. Of the parties involved who could have prevented this, whose to say the Genovese syndrome is not at play more so than the normalcy of a supposed culture that allows child rape through inaction due to their addiction to football Saturdays?
So, we are to use their slogan of a Penn State family against them and say that, even you, dear brother, the rational PSU alum and local business owner whose football Saturdays bring in 60% of your annual business that pays for the food on your children’s plates and employees 15 local residents, who would have cried wolf at the drop of a hat had a handful of idiots not protected said wolf, we are going to punish you, too, and hope that your normalcy is never realized again due to the misdeeds of someone you only share a diploma with.
I have a feeling, while we’re being pessimistic, that just as Paterno family members and PSU athletic department officials are trying to save face, members of the media are blindly swinging swords in hopes of making contact with some piece of flesh so that they can claim again, “look what we did,” without ever considering ALL of the consequences.
/ SHUT IT DOWN
/ The shitty commenting bug, I mean
July 17th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
I’m debating whether or not to go to the UVA-Penn State game on Sep. 8. I’ve wondered if I should choose a different game as this one might not happen.
Shut up.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Not a bad idea. I had a poor Title IX joke to use here but decided against it.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
Also I like the increase talk on here of the “culture of football” and how pervasive it is, while the site now has a widget on the home page listing USA Today’s Top 25 High School Football Recruits.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
How about keep the program running but mandate that are proceeds from football go into a trust for the victims fund.
All net revenue goes to the expansion of the Matt Millen Loyalty Media Room, the 2013 Paterno & Sandusky Family Statue Expansion, and bonuses to the legal and p.r. firms. Then raises and Christmas bonuses.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Today has seen the emergence of a classic unstoppable force meets immoveable object matchup:
FIX THE SITE v. SHUT IT DOWN
I’ll take FIX THE SITE and the points.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Lot of innocent people at Penn State are employed because that football program exists.
I assume you know you’ll be essentially firing all these people, in rural PA?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
Fuck that guy. He’s the worst Penn Stater.
/Except for Sandusky
July 17th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Easy solution. Hand to hand combat tournament to see who gets food in the impeding Centre County food riots. BOOM, life or death playoffs, baby.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
I remember when the Browns left Cleveland, and nobody gave a fuck about all the private businesses in Berea and elsewhere that went under during those three years. I’m conflicted. No football is the sensical punishment. But the outside cost is great.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
I don’t know what the answer is, or if there is any adequate answer. I tend to think this isn’t really an NCAA issue, and I think any moral authority that the NCAA has is a joke anyway. I guess I just don’t see what shutting it down accomplishes – if you don’t already know that enabling a child rapist to victimize kids in your facilities and elsewhere is wrong, missing 6 home football games a year ain’t gonna do the trick. If the message hasn’t been received loud and clear by now (namely, that human beings should never be held up as deities), it simply isn’t going to be received.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Hy -po -cri -sy…
Ho…Hey…Ho
July 17th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Said much more eloquently here.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
If your football program created a culture that made(or makes it) seem OK to cover up kids getting molested for the sake of the football program or a single(or a million men) man’s legacy then I think it is right to make that program disappear for a while, if not forever. Just my opinion. I love football, I really do, However, if some coach was molesting my nephews or niece and the staff knew about it and just did nothing baout it because they were afraid of bad press I would murder everyone involved. Sports aren’t really THAT important..sorry if you run or write and get paid from a sports blog
July 17th, 2012 at 2:35 PM
Judgement coming in August before the season starts.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Get frackin’
July 17th, 2012 at 2:37 PM
This is really optimistic. Knowing how sports are now, it’s more likely they’ll double down and get a martyrdom complex. There are Die-hards around to justify all sorts of horrible things, from child rape to mass killings. Let Penn State keep their team, and their statue. The rest of us will have the right to judge and censure them for their shamelessness.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:37 PM
What ya thinking, 10-12 scholarships over a 3 or 4 year span?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
I don’t get how Duffy can hate on the NCAA, and then suggest it be given this blank check power.
Of course this is likely to happen as a dinosaur is to devour State College.
But I think it’s great that, with no obvious precedent, sure, we will go ahead let the NCAA do this.
One other problem with Duffy’s comments is that this is hardly endemic to college football. Recently in LA there was a scandal where a local majority-Hispanic school seemingly covered up for two pedophiles who were doing their thing for THIRTY years. How much bowl money was that school getting?
You’ll find that coverups happen anywhere someone has a reputation on the line, which is to say just about anywhere.
And never mind Duffy’s morally callous disregard for the many innocent people who would be out of work.
I think an argument can be made that Paterno and his autocratic control allowed this to happen, but to tie this to Nike or TV contracts ignores that the coverup was going back to the 90s, if not before. Nowadays, what college coach has Paterno’s power?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
I didn’t like this part but the rest of it is persuasive.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
So how do we short the Happy Valley real estate market?
How bad could it get, like Flint Michigan bad? Extremely interested to see how the school survives without football. Shouldn’t it be fine?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Let me just quote it at length, because it’s good and I still haven’t seen anyone else mention something that would seem so obvious to the moral crusaders everywhere around this case.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
This also applies.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
I honestly don’t know. I’ve heard rumors on both side of “worse than we thought” and “not that bad”. I think the best thing in Miami’s corner is that they cooperated fully. from day 1 with the invesitgation. A lot of that was the good fortune of Randy Shannon’s staff and those on it involved with Shapiro were gone by the time the story hit.
Of course, Miami has to be punished. Scholarship reduction definitely. They self-imposed a bowl ban last year, but could get it again this year. A lot depends on what NCAA invesitgators were able to find credible evidence on, and not just the ramblings of a petty, disgusting midget who robbed people of hundreds of millions of dollars and now sits in federal pound me in the ass prison.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
SHUT IT DOWN
Nuance? I like to fuck nuance in the ass.
/what you’re really saying there.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
And, BTW, what better way to ensure these type of things come to light in the future but by destroying a program like PSU. Yeah, sure, some school president down the road is gonna be forthright knowing that, by telling the truth about a scandal he had nothing to do with, his school would get the death penalty. Good luck with that.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Saw the plane flying around campus early this afternoon. Not sure who “We” is, but would sure like to know who chartered that plane
July 17th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
By the way, whoever suggested the “click two times outside the comment box” workaround to the comments barrier gets a cookie.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
This seems reactionary to folks at Penn State that are still defending Paterno after the Freeh report. People that were not complicit in the rapes of children. People that simply have an undying loyalty for a man who, for some, was a father figure for them.
This particular piece seems to be asking for punishment for that loyalty. That I don’t agree with. Punish the perpetrator and those that concealed the crimes. Punishing this family for its loyalty is the “vengeance for vengeance” that I thought we were trying to avoid.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
I’ve been dealing with the fun fallout of speculation that this same “created culture” resulted in the death of the DA…and there is not one ounce of me that thinks the program or school should be destroyed even if that were proven to be true. I’ve spent 7 years trying to find that answer, but I still wouldn’t pin it on the institution, just those directly involved. The actions of some resulted in this, not the football team or the kid sitting in Engineering class, or the guy who mows the campus lawns. It comes down to the moral fiber of the person, and what they choose to do with that power. You clean house and you can begin anew, but you don’t destroy an institution over the behavior of the people who were supposed to be the role models of those kids. Now, if you don’t mind, I’ll go back to reading my hilariously hypocritical Catholic Facebook friends demanding the destruction of Boy Toucher U.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
The school should be fine; donations might take a hit in the short turn. The non revenue generating sports at penn state would probably be in trouble tho without football revenue to keep them running
July 17th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Rex! Good to see you. Where you been hiding?
/JMac
July 17th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Penn State received more than $208 million in donations for the fiscal year that just ended, the second-highest total in university history despite the upheaval after the arrest of Jerry Sandusky on child sex abuse charges.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Terrence Pegula is about to become the most important person alive to this school. Going to be cutting a shitload of big checks I would think.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:49 PM
And almost half of that came from one man. Pegula.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Very good point
July 17th, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Sad.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Penn State’s foundation is one of the more progressive and efficient fundraising institutions in higher education. We used their strategies for soliciting prospects at Iowa when I worked in the foundation there. The academic funding won’t take that much of a hit because the primary donor base for a university are the people that attended it. Those people are unlikely, as we’ve seen, to cut ties with Penn State over this.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
+1
/sorry it’s late…was posting too quickly
July 17th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Maybe the NCAA also can borrow from Euro soccer and force the team to play its home games behind closed doors for some duration, in addition to the scholarship penalties. Although these are all cosmetic solutions; Penn State will eventually move on, and so will you. The machine will keep turning.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
/Nate’d
July 17th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Why would your Catholic friends be demanding Notre Dame be destroyed?
July 17th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
agreed joe paterno is the one who knocks.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:55 PM
I liked this.
I think you punish the people involved, not the players/students/alumni/local businesses/communities.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
WHAT DID SUZY’S FROZEN YOGURT KNOW THAT SHE DIDN’T TELL US?!?!?!
July 17th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
And again, for the record…I’m partial to Magary’s take.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
TBL reminds me of Big Mike on Reno 911 when he has a two man angry mob carrying a torch while the little dude, who I guess in this case is Duffy(still loved the post), has a pitchfork.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Forbes reported that annual PSU Football profit at $50 million or roughly $258,000 per player and staff member.
/Chip Kelly’s mythical hot tub approves
July 17th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
i did not know the voice of reason was saying “YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING FUCKHEAD PIECE OF SHIT, HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO THROW A FUCKING BALL, T-FAGIC?”
July 17th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
hell yes, the death penalty is justified. If SMU and Baylor (damn near death penalty) got it for what happened at those schools, PSU more than has a case to end football.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
There are some things that are so weird, so unthinkable, shit goes out the window. This is one of them. This has to the the worst event in NCAA athletics history. A coach and college president covered up a child rapist to avoid bad PR for the school and allow the football cash cow to roll on.
That is terrible. I have news for the PSU Apologists. You better start coming up with a massive self-induced penalty. MASSIVE. Otherwise, judgement day is coming.
Yes, crippling that program would impact a lots of people. Well guess what, you’d have to own that because your school had a sick cover-up. You can argue about fair, but the moral authority is going to bitch slap you on this one. You’re “It’s not fair” will never trump “those children got raped”. Fair went out the window a long fucking time ago.
Your school better get after ASAP and it better be reasonable, show that a massive culture change will occur and persist, and show tons of support of all manners to the victims. Get after it.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Notre Dame has a better “wet team” than Spanier and Paterno did.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:59 PM
obligatory.
July 17th, 2012 at 2:59 PM
I, too, think it’s sad that the EIC of a “major” sports website lacks the wherewithal to come up with a more measured and professional response to what may be the biggest and most dividing issue he’ll have to address in his professional career.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
penalty should be to replace the nittany lion head for sandusky’s face for 3 years.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
Penn State has shitty quarterbacks, but I don’t recall them being in the Freeh Report.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
hell yes, the death penalty is justified. If SMU and Baylor (damn near death penalty) got it for what happened at those schools, PSU more than has a case to end football.
As someone pointed out earlier, the scandal at SMU involved the complicity of the players as recipients of money, cars, etc. I don’t recall seeing anywhere that Penn St. players have been been involved in what happened here. Punishing the players for what a series of individuals did, none of whom are still employed by the university, one of whom is now deceased, and another of whom is on death’s door from what I’ve heard, makes zero sense. The university will get reamed in civil court, and it should. But the football program, now that an entirely new administration is in place, should be left alone.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
players should have to play with no butt pads in honor of the victims.
/squirms
July 17th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
what about the ones that were promised they could be walk on’s? IMPROPER BENEFITS. death penalty.
/tugs suspenders
July 17th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Who is the read headed dummy that went to paterno instead of going to the police? He should be punished for being so fucking stupid. Don’t give me “he was just a kid!” bullshit he knew what he saw was illegal he should have went to the cops himself like a big boy
July 17th, 2012 at 3:05 PM
If taking away football cripples the school, well your school is a joke. It wasn’t fair when the steel mills closed everywhere, people’s home values tanked. Towns wrecked. Mills in the south. Same thing.
Spare us your fucking sob stories.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:05 PM
In case anything should ever happen to me, I’ve sent Gregg Doyel a copy of the grainy cell phone cam footage of Spencer doing the “WE ARE!” chant at the PSU/Bama game.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
These people will never get it. Here is some evidence:
Joe Starkey @JoeStarkey1
Jeff Lowe, part of group that changed Paternoville name, says group talked to Jay Paterno before changing 2 Nittanyville. Says Jay OK w it
followed by:
Joe Starkey @JoeStarkey1
Lowe says some alums have sent “nasty emails” in regard to changing name from Paternoville to Nittanyville
Twitter handle is a local sportscaster here in Western Pa.
This program needs the death penalty for football AND to lose student loan money for a year or so, then we will see if they ‘get it’
July 17th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
As someone pointed out earlier, the scandal at SMU involved the complicity of the players as recipients of money, cars, etc. I don’t recall seeing anywhere that Penn St. players have been been involved in what happened here. Punishing the players for what a series of individuals did, none of whom are still employed by the university, one of whom is now deceased, and another of whom is on death’s door from what I’ve heard, makes zero sense. The university will get reamed in civil court, and it should. But the football program, now that an entirely new administration is in place, should be left alone.
punishing players for what was done by a player no longer on the campus makes zero sense either, but thats way it works. I do not care if players were not involved in this deal as they were in SMU; shit cultures that were cultivated by adults surfaced in both cases. Give me a good reason why PSU should not be shut down, should be comical.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
The division 1 football players would, GASP, go to other schools and get scholarships. The qualified coaches, would, GASP, move on to other schools and get jobs. They get a lesson that life ain’t fair and move on. If that’s the worst thing at Penn State that happens to them…
You’d think PSU would WANT to show they can evolve. We’re dealing with the end-gamers here. Sick.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
If Penn St has a really good season do we hear about how they performed in the face of adversity? I hope not
July 17th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
we were…
/sunglasses
…rooting for alabama.
/YYYYOOOOUUUUUUUU KNEW THAT!!!!!
July 17th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
This program needs the death penalty for football AND to lose student loan money for a year or so, then we will see if they ‘get it’
Yes, students who use loans to pay for their education and who were not affiliated with what happened in any way, shape, or form should have those taken away so that they can no longer attend a university and get an education. That will satisfy my vague but self-righteous belief that some abstract concept has taken hold on a university I have no affiliation with.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
What are you, some kind of idiot?
July 17th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
MY COMMUNITY COLLEGE DOES JUST FINE WITHOUT A FOOTBALL TEAM
July 17th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
See: comment 91.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Unfortunately, Jay Paterno’s work as passing game coordinator didn’t make it in the report either.
/secretly wonders if I’m getting my season ticket money back in the next few months
July 17th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
ironically enough, i think he’s an OSU fan.
/jokes!
July 17th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
every game is played 2-hand touch in the showers.
/double squirms
July 17th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
“I assume you know you’ll be essentially firing all these people, in rural PA?”
The same idiots that are still insisting JoePa did nothing wrong? Deadspin piece on the most vocal of these idiots is worth reading.
I think I’d prefer that instead of the death penalty, they had to send all revenues (not profits) from athletics over the next 5 years to a fund that was to be paid out to the victims. I guess that would raise an issue of who gets to decide who is a victim and how to verify those claims.
Also, anal rapings for all the JoePa is innocent bunch. I think that’s a starting point.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
I think this here proves Duffy’s point about those who “don’t get it” in State College. Let the football program crumble.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Yes, the very best way to judge a group of alums is to judge them by their lunatic fringe.
/air wanking
July 17th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
punishing players for what was done by a player no longer on the campus makes zero sense either, but thats way it works. I do not care if players were not involved in this deal as they were in SMU; shit cultures that were cultivated by adults surfaced in both cases. Give me a good reason why PSU should not be shut down, should be comical.
I agree that at SMU the players who were the culprits were allowed to transfer to other programs and did not even have to sit out a year while those who stayed had to go through the hell of not having a program in 1988 and then being reduced to servility by new University President Kenneth Pye and his absurd academic restrictions in 1989. But just because that’s how it was done in the past is not a reason for it to be done in the future.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Just like the athletes, those students would have every opportunity in the world to transfer, the Department of Education may yet bring the hammer down too, and they would be completely justified in doing so.
Keep the personal attacks coming tho, good times.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:15 PM
/shudders
July 17th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
We Tuk Er Jerbs!
July 17th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Yeah it’s just that easy.
Will never happen, wish that bylaw blog guy had kept his know it all mouth shut on that point.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:18 PM
What I love about the American public is that there is not one single subject that, when it arouses us (in a non-sexual way), we feel not only compelled but also deserving enough to pass judgment upon it.
I wish H.L. Mencken was still alive.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
What are you, some kind of idiot?
Most of the best schools in this nation largely don’t have football or scholarship football. I could care less what schools want, or feel they deserve football programs. It’s completely unncessary.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
ive never even heard of this guy, but im POSITIVE you’re a fucking idiot.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:21 PM
i wish MIT had a football team and their nickname was the Romney’s.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
ive never even heard of this guy, but im POSITIVE you’re a fucking idiot.
You majored in music.
/checkmate
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
One of the victim’s sisters is a student at PSU. So as retribution for her brother getting raped, she has to uproot and switch schools.
Brilliant work.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
“i wish MIT had a football team and their nickname was the Romney’s.”
Most backbone-less team in the nation.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
I agree that at SMU the players who were the culprits were allowed to transfer to other programs and did not even have to sit out a year while those who stayed had to go through the hell of not having a program in 1988 and then being reduced to servility by new University President Kenneth Pye and his absurd academic restrictions in 1989. But just because that’s how it was done in the past is not a reason for it to be done in the future.
i was really focusing on your point that people who had nothing to do with the violation should not be punished. this is a tad absurd as this happens in just about every punishment situation to date.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
you got married.
/long live the king
July 17th, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Canadian Universities manage to survive with D3 style football.
/Thinks about Canadian University football
//Vomits
July 17th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Tell that to Matt Barkley and USC. Tell that to the kids that are awaiting punishment at Miami. Retro justice. It’s how the NCAA works.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
Is there an example of NCAA punishment where no student athletes were involved?
July 17th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
I really enjoyed this exchange.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Yeah the problem with all of this is that the NCAA regulates competitions between amateur student athletes. Even the Baylor case, where the murder helped uncover what Baylor was ACTUALLY penalized for, had to do with athletes getting benefits, etc.
I don’t see athletes here. I don’t see the outcome of any games influenced. NCAA has zero purview.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Yep.
HOWEVER …. god fucking help everyone if there’s one single connection in the coverup to any person who was a player at the time of engaging in a coverup. Now that would make me change my tune.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
at best, that is a draw or stalemate.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
I’m really enjoying the MS and Spencer back and forth as of late.
/throws popcorn in air
//opens mouth
///has popcorn hit my cheek
July 17th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Vacating wins? Which is probably the dumbest punishment of all, but in this case, it would take Paterno’s name out of the record book.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:38 PM
or the guy who mows the campus lawns
Well, it’s fair to that pedophile to miss a year of work or two
July 17th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
The NCAA has a core value that says:
They will be going after PSU in one form or another. I agree that students werent involved, but the school will be sanctioned. Shit rolls downhill.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Is there an example of NCAA punishment where no student athletes were involved?
I don’t think there were any athletes involved in basketball yet when CCNY got the death penalty
July 17th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Even if a player knew and helped cover it up, how does that involve the NCAA? Players get arrested all the time and aren’t subject to NCAA sanction.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:44 PM
i was really focusing on your point that people who had nothing to do with the violation should not be punished. this is a tad absurd as this happens in just about every punishment situation to date.
It’s absurd that I think that the players who had nothing to do with the scandal or coverup should not be punished only because the players are always punished in the past?
Do they still teach logic at Baylor?
July 17th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
You majored in music.
/checkmate
you got married.
/long live the king
You live in Cleveland. Out of choice.
/the king is dead.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
It’s not really about the players and coaches, who would land elsewhere. It’s about the hundreds of other employees who wouldn’t.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Well then it’s just tougher to make the argument that there’s no connection to the team itself. Not that it’s likely. I mean Paterno had almost nothing to do with any actual coaching since the turn of the century anyway.
ms wins
July 17th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
It’s about the hundreds of other employees who wouldn’t.
OK, fine, they can transfer to other jobs without sitting out a year. Happy now?
July 17th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
It’s not really about the players and coaches, who would land elsewhere. It’s about the hundreds of other employees who wouldn’t.
I’ve noted this happens in America, all the time. Factories, mills, call centers, military bases, corporations. Much larger scales.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
/shrugs
i like it here.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
/shrugs
i like it here.
I didn’t know it was possible to undo that insult. But apparently it is.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
at least im happy and not attempting to belittle others in order to feel better about myself.
/ignore previous belittlings
//and this one too
July 17th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
/shrugs
i like it here.
Boo this man
July 17th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
fine work here guys, really terrific.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
at least im happy and not attempting to belittle others in order to feel better about myself.
/ignore previous belittlings
//and this one too
You’re a regular M.C. fucking Escher in your comments sometimes.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
i played a donald ross course in PERFECT condition for $30 sunday.
/boo all you want, i won’t hear it
July 17th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
I’m baffled by this line of reasoning. Really, really weird.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
im sorry i dont know who that is…i don’t listen to hip-hop.
/tip your waitresses
July 17th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Typical hippie. Just shrugs.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
gotta hit the glamour muscles, bro.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
im sorry i dont know who that is…i don’t listen to hip-hop.
/tip your waitresses
It’s because you hate black people, which is why you feel the need to constantly attack me.
/nods at WWoS
July 17th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
maybe if you’d stop comparing me to jews, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
/is it getting uncomfortable in here?
July 17th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
maybe if you’d stop comparing me to jews, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
/is it getting uncomfortable in here?
I didn’t know it was in poor taste to wonder aloud if someone kept kosher!
July 17th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
im talking about when you took the picture of me eating oysters and sent it to my rabbi.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Which one?
July 17th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
im talking about when you took the picture of me eating oysters and sent it to my rabbi.
Well maybe if you didn’t keep insinuating that I had a part in the Darfur genocide simply because I didn’t sign the online petition against it, then I wouldn’t have had to take such drastic measures.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
manakiki
July 17th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
dude, you were wearing a shirt with a cartoon bear giving fingergunz saying “darfurrrrr sure.”
July 17th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
dude, you were wearing a shirt with a cartoon bear giving fingergunz saying “darfurrrrr sure.”
Haven’t you ever heard of ironic humor? Why do you hate comedy so much? I bet you’re glad Bernie Mac is dead.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Sweet. Ross redesigned Mill Creek down here in Boardman. Can play for around 28.00 with cart. 2 courses, always in great shape. Plus as a parks course, they get public funding so they’re always making improvements. Just did new cart paths throughout and putting in a practice range.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
grammar, which knows how to control even kings, though not the original kings of comedy.
-moliere
July 17th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
/makes note
i drive 45 anywhere i golf…what’s an extra 15-30 minutes?
July 17th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
grammar, which knows how to control even kings, though not the original kings of comedy.
-moliere
Sorry I don’t know who or what a moliere is. I didn’t spend time with French hippies.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
You drive the xtra distance, I got the round.
/It’s a write off
//Do you even know what a write off is?
//No. But they do. And they’re the ones writing it off.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
you know, i thought hippies were supposed to be about love and shit. these french hippies are awfully surly.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
46yearslump…fsho. we’ll hammer out the details at some point.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
you know, i thought hippies were supposed to be about love and shit. these french hippies are awfully surly.
The last three months in northwest Europe have been the coolest, rainiest summer months in the last 50 years there. I guess le hippies are not getting enough le sunshine.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Wow, the server really hates any mention, even a broken apart one, of a certain type of political movement that begins with S and happens to be in power in France right now.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
they probably spend too much time on rue paradis in the 10th arandismo.
/seen taken WAY too many times
July 17th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
they probably spend too much time on rue paradis in the 10th arandismo.
Or perhaps they tried to cross the intersection in front of the National Assembly building during rush hour.
/possibly the most intense and insane intersection I’ve ever seen in my life in terms of traffic
July 17th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
what a bunch of faguettes.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Careful, language like that is against the law in Europe. Ask John Terry. Or Brigitte Bardot.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:32 PM
It’s laughable to think this would in any way change how people feel about football
Yeah, a little historical perspective…SMU before and after the death penalty. It did change football at SMU, and football at SMU is still nothing like it was before. It accomplished what it needed to.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:52 PM
For the uninformed, which I realize on the subject of SMU football is most people–which is understandable given how irrelevant was for 20+ years–SMU was hurt badly by the Death Penalty. But what made SMU irrelevant for so many years afterwards were the changes in academic standards which were instituted by new university Kenneth Pye in the early 90s. Harnessing an enormous backlash against the athletic department by the faculty and many alumni of the university, Pye passed, with Board of Trustees and Faculty Senate approval, a new set of rules which meant that student-athletes could not be recruited or even extended an invitation for a campus visit unless they had a certain SAT score. The policy was such that Pye did not want any student to be admitted who did not, in his view, have a chance to graduate.
In an instant, this dramatically reduced the pool of high school and transfer prospects SMU’s much reduced coaching staff could consider, let alone offer a scholarship to. These rules were not relaxed until June Jones’s first year in 2008 and are far more of a reason for SMU’s inability to win more than 6 games from 1986 to 2009 and for the lack of a bowl appearance over the same period of time, than the Death Penalty ever was.
/the more you know