Freeh Report Fallout: Could Penn State Be Shut Down by the Department of Education?
The Freeh Report has been a crushing blow to Joe Paterno’s legacy, as many expected. Depending on what media reports you read, the NCAA could get involved based on Louis Freeh’s findings. What might the big-picture fallout be?
John Infante, a smart writer who ran the Bylaw Blog and knows the NCAA as well as anyone, tweeted some thoughts about the Department of Education possibly getting involved. Could the DOE prohibit the school from receiving financial aid? And before you jump in with, “but why would you punish current students who had nothing to do with that?” Infante has already responded to that: If that’s the case, Penn State is Too Big to Fail.
Below are his series of valuable tweets from this morning that you might want to file away in case any of this happens:
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July 12th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
golf OT…
hah, just kidding.
now, to the point id like to get across…RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
what would be the point of this?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
that’s a fucking stupid comparison. it’s not about a financial institution creating a large scale economic depression if it fails b/c it’s tied into so many different financial ventures.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
There are always private loans… These days you usually get better interest rates anyway. The one perk of federal loans was the interest subsidized loans which appear to be going away shortly.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Why don’t you come up with your own opinions instead of just repeating what you read in the post?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
I can see the argument about the football team being shut down (not that I agree with it), but now punishing STUDENTS?!?! Come on. Patently ridiculous. I don’t know the answer, but I know the answer is not stopping a kid from going to a college he/she may have dreamed of and had nothing to do with any of this.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
There is nothing I know less about than DOE procedures and rules and I had no idea the Clery Act existed. I’ve got a feeling I’m not alone, but I look forward to some strong words from folks anyway. Fire away, folks.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
My guess is that PSU gets a HUGE civil fine for the Clery Act failures, as the campus wide plan was not even in formal effect yet.
That in and of itself is an indictment of Spanier/Schultz
July 12th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Could the DOE prohibit the school from receiving financial aid?
Technically yes they could. But I could also technically walk up and down the hall of my office with my cock hanging out.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Re: the Clery Act, what does this mean-
Sara Ganim @sganim
#PSU failed to implement provisions of the Clery Act, which requires crime reporting. When #Sandusky arrested, it was still in ‘draft’ form
July 12th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
I respect John Infante, and his reasoning is sound…but let’s be honest, there is ZERO chance that the DOE is going to pull federal student loan funding from Penn State. It’s just not going to happen. Under ANY circumstances.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
This.
/this post wasn’t as troll-ish as I thought it would be
July 12th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
What I mean is, does that mean it wasn’t actually a law yet? How could they get busted for that then? Or am I reading it wrong?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
I’m trying to decide which specific fallacy this is. Hasty generalization, maybe?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Well, I’ve got to leave for an appointment, no time to read the links and respond. Looks like I’m safe from the banhammer.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
i prefer jokey optimism…when i start opining, i get sad and angry.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
People way smarter than me could go into the details why shutting down PSU would be an economic disaster for the state of Pennsylvania and State College.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Could the DOE do as Infante claims? Sure.
The question becomes what is gained by this? Punishing PSU? Taking away the football program is just as big a punishment without destroying the university. To say nothing of the large number of students who’d find themselves out on the street, hoping that another university would take their credit hours. Or of the thousands of professors, research assistants, faculty and staff who would like join in major class action lawsuits against the DOE — if I’m a tenured professor, I’m getting my money one way or another.
Don’t see it happening.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
And if the DoE does shut down Penn State here are the repurcussions:
-80,000 students would be forced to find private student aid or have parents pay for the most expensive in-state school in the country (In-state tuition+board $19k, Out of state: $34k). Or they would be forced to find a different university which is damn near impossible
-If the University were to go bankrupt, the state of Pennsylvania would go into immediate recession, causing massive political repurcussions (esp. for a DoE which is currently under Democratic control), potentially swinging the 2012 election
- Massive brain drain in the commonwealth of PA
- The loss of thousands of jobs, research grants, etc.
It’s a stupid idea that will destroy PA
July 12th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
There are always private loans… These days you usually get better interest rates anyway. The one perk of federal loans was the interest subsidized loans which appear to be going away shortly.
Private loans require credit approval. Federal Direct Loans do not.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
As of right now I’d say absolutely no to shutting down the school. However, if there is an investigation into the Second Mile and it shows some of the cover up was because of business PSU and the Second Mile did together(land purchases, a retirement home second mile helped fun on psu property, and so on) then I think the DOE needs to look into their options. As Lester Freamon would say follow the money.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
This strikes me as an incredibly ignorant opinion to have. And it strikes me as the opinion of someone unfamiliar with institutions of higher learning. Penn State isn’t a school… it’s an institution, with a medical school, and hospital, among many other schools. You are going to say “PSU gets no money” then randomly start drawing lines?
Cut to TBL and Infante shutting down the hospital with baseball bats, prohibition-style.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
so wait…the university would just…POOF? what would they do with the buildings? only reason i ask is im thinking of starting a crack habit and wanna get a head start on hoarding some copper piping.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
I agree, he’s gone from “SHUT IT DOWN” to, ‘Oh hey, this long shot could possibly technically happen.’
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
So to recap:
1. Freeh report cites Clery Act
2. Some “smart writer” know-it-all tweeted a regurgitation of that point without expanding on it.
3. TBL regurgitates the same talking points as “smart writer”, and tries to pass it off as an opinion.
This is more of an agreement instead of a novel opinion. You just made Souvenir City’s point for him. Moreover, “smart writer” made an observation and offered zero opinion. This is lazy, and in desperate need of some original opining. Tell us how the Clery Act will come into play, tell us how much of a chance PSU has of being shut down, tell us whether or not you agree that the possibility is even a good idea, etc. Put down the twitter machine and TELL US SOMETHING that YOU believe.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
I took care of that for you. Having the sixth biggest state by GDP lose all of those jobs and money would be huge.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Why would we do this? Because a blogger is aware of a law? Shouldn’t we file the law away for safekeeping?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We’ve found a witch! A witch! We’ve got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We’ve found a witch! We’ve found a witch!
VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch. May we burn her?
CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.
CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE: Bring her forward.
WITCH: I’m not a witch. I’m not a witch.
BEDEVERE: Uh, but you are dressed as one.
WITCH: They dressed me up like this.
CROWD: Augh, we didn’t! We didn’t…
WITCH: And this isn’t my nose. It’s a false one.
BEDEVERE: Well?
VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE: The nose?
VILLAGER #1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
VILLAGER #2: Yeah!
CROWD: We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE: Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1: No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3: No. No.
VILLAGER #2: No.
VILLAGER #1: No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3: No.
VILLAGER #1: (feeling guilty) Yes.
VILLAGER #2: Yes.
VILLAGER #1: Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3: A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2: A bit.
VILLAGER #3: A bit.
VILLAGER #1: She has got wart.
BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE: A newt?
VILLAGER #3: I got better.
VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1: Burn!
CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her!…
BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1: Are there?
VILLAGER #2: Ah?
VILLAGER #1: What are they?
CROWD: Tell us! Tell us!…
BEDEVERE: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
VILLAGER #1: Burn!
CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!…
BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #3: Shh!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn?
VILLAGER #3: B–… ’cause they’re made of… wood?
BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.
CROWD: Oh yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.
RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh…
BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No. No.
VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra– gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically…
VILLAGER #1: If… she… weighs… the same as a duck,… she’s made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
CROWD: A witch! A witch!…
VILLAGER #4: Here is a duck. Use this duck. [quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE: We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD: Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE: Right. Remove the supports! (The woman and the duck balance each other out on the scales.)
CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch!
WITCH: It’s a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3: Burn her!
CROWD: Burn her! Burn her! Burn her!
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
The one perk of federal loans was the interest subsidized loans which appear to be going away shortly.
And this part is actually incorrect. Graduate Subsidized Loans are going away, but undergraduates will still be able to receive them and at the lower 3.4% interest rate that was in place in 2011-2012.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Oh c’mon… Westchester is about the same academic level as Penn State.
Shit, you can drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don’t make it a good fucking idea.
/Chris Rock
July 12th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
And could we organize a tearing down of the Paterno statue akin to Saddam’s?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
TBL’s tweets are trollish enough.
Stop with this bullshit. I hate penn state. I have kids. I think the suggestion of shutting down the school is ludicrous. This is more hyperbole than linsanity winning the MVP.
It was horrendous. Those involved should be severely punished & shamed. The school should pay substantially in civil court/fines. But shutting down the largest institution of higher education in the state of Pennsylvania and removing it as an option for thousands of innocent current and future students… REALLY?!?!
That’s a clown suggestion bro.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
So to recap:
1. Freeh report cites Clery Act
2. Some “smart writer” know-it-all tweeted a regurgitation of that point without expanding on it.
3. TBL regurgitates the same talking points as “smart writer”, and tries to pass it off as an opinion.
This is more of an agreement instead of a novel opinion. You just made Souvenir City’s point for him. Moreover, “smart writer” made an observation and offered zero opinion. This is lazy, and in desperate need of some original opining. Tell us how the Clery Act will come into play, tell us how much of a chance PSU has of being shut down, tell us whether or not you agree that the possibility is even a good idea, etc. Put down the twitter machine and TELL US SOMETHING that YOU believe.
Preach brother.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
If they do anything, the DOE is probably going to levy a huge fine on PSU. Nothing will happen to current students.
The football program COULD potentially face a more substantial penalty which could ultimately force them back into Indiana and Minnesota territory
July 12th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
OMG I WANNA DRIVE THE TANK!!!!
July 12th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
i am so let down by this post. did not live up to the hype.
but SouvenierCity predicted exactly what this would be.
will the constructive criticism have an effect? probably not.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
And you didn’t even mention that Pennsylvania is a swing state (sorta). And yes, it would factor in to any sort of decision making process that would theoretically take place.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Penn State actually used to use a private lender as their preferred lender. They went bankrupt. So they switched to Direct Loans (the government’s lender) in 2007.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
i am so let down by this post. did not live up to the hype.
I’ll see if I can help:
Kate Upton’s nipples!
July 12th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
By comparison… University of Pittsburgh (actually UPMC alone) is the largest employer in Western PA.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
So they switched to Direct Loans (the government’s lender) in 2007.
And everyone switched to Direct Loans in 2010, because Congress ended the FFEL program.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
And could we organize a tearing down of the Paterno statue akin to Saddam’s?
OMG I WANNA DRIVE THE TANK!!!!
But it isn’t going to happen. So..wait, you already purchased the tank, didn’t you?
July 12th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
I’m not familiar with bird-law, but it seems like there is no possibly way this could happen.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
OT…bit of a stretch here bro.
/OT
July 12th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
OMG I WANNA DRIVE THE TANK!!!!
I would like to ride on top of the tank with a bullhorn in hand and wearing an army hat if that is possible. Maybe an American flag in the other hand.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I have nothing to add. I’m just here for the dumpster fire.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
passed off as opinion? where?
me agreeing with someone does not equal opinion. guy made a great point. It became a blog post.
the end.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Starting to think there should be a Football penalty. Hear me out:
1. Had Football been less idolized at PSU the crimes would have been reported. If Sandusky was a former tennis coach he would have been arrested over a decade ago.
2. Football as the most important thing superseding the morals of the athletic institution at the highest level.
3. NCAA needs to take a stance that sports are less important than the education institution themselves (even if not true).
4. To do nothing would encourage corruption for short term success (which is already a huge problem in the NCAA).
10 year Bowl Ban and the players are free to transfer without forfeiting a year. I do not want current players generating revenue to pay for civil lawsuits against the failure of the previous regime.
NCAA should look to the courts upon conclusion to see if any additional penalties should be applied.
PSU as an educational facility should not harmed in any way.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
OT…bit of a stretch here bro.
/OT
In particular, recent discoveries suggest that the adoption of agriculture, supposedly our most decisive step toward a better life, was in many ways a catastrophe from which we have never recovered. With agriculture came the gross social and sexual inequality, the disease and despotism, that curse our existence.
Good god, you’re not joking.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I always thought PNC took that crown, but, guess I was wrong.
Oh and Timmy, I pointed out the political implications in my first post. DoE shutting down Penn State would be like throwing a slab of meat at the lions.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
UPMC is second in the state behind Walmart now according to UPMC.
PSU is the largest employer in Centre County at 25k people. Next closest is the hospital, at 2k. Shutting down PSU would literally destroy the lives of the majority of central Pennsylvanians.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
me agreeing with someone does not equal opinion. guy made a great point. It became a blog post.
He made a mildly interesting conjecture. That’s not the same thing as a great point.
July 12th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
got damn good financing on a used m1 abrams. $7.5mm with 0% apr for the first decade. i couldnt pass it up.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
I believe that is called the mc tibble hedge, happens around here a lot. when a prediction does hit, it’s linked in the following 25 posts and shoulders are dislocated from all the back-patting. when it doesn’t hit, it’s just a prediction or a guess, not a guarantee on what was going to happen.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Nah. UPMC bought out every hospital in the region other than West Penn, that’s how they shot up so fast.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I can’t even read the rest of that, Spencer. My respect for Jared Diamond has just dramatically decreased. What a bizarre argument to try to make.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
you understand what an opinion is… right?
1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
you stated you agreed with his opinion. if an opinion is a personal view and you say you agree with it, you are then (say it with me) sharing an opinion.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
We can all agree that most people who have drawn pictures of them as their avatar on twitter are assholes right?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
It’s a problem with media in general. Next huge problem as a result of it – when George Zimmerman is found not guilty.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Victim 6′s Mother said it best when she said, “There are no winners in this.”.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Ah, good to know. My data is from my time there. Though I’m pretty sure the ‘quality’ jobs that attract people (college grads leaving is/was a big problem there) to the state are more likely at UPMC than Walmart I’d guess.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
dude…finish to the end. it’s worth it. like “the room” of theses.
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Disagree, the Sports by Brooks guy clearly won based on how highly he thinks of himself.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
that is also the fault of the prosecutor’s office trying for Murder 2 rather than an accidental death charge which would have been a slam dunk and easier to prove in Florida.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Translation: Why take the time to form a thoughtful opinion on a matter you feign interest in, when you can just screengrab some random dude’s Twitter feed, write “agree”, and hit “post” while the pageviews come rolling in?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.
Jared Diamond and Malcolm Gladwell should get an apartment together so that they can entertain each other with their absurd assertions.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Just remember they get you on the options. Get the base model, and I know a guy who can install a sweet aftermarket sound system and 5 disc changer.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
We can all agree that most people who have drawn pictures of them as their avatar on twitter are assholes right?
Fuck You.
/Todd Charske
July 12th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
(college grads leaving is/was a big problem there)
You can almost change that statement to “was” now. The economy for college grads has significantly upgraded over the last ten years.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Disagree, the Sports by Brooks guy clearly won based on how highly he thinks of himself.
He just does that cause he found Denise Milani and her big rack before they were Internet sensations.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
FUCK…why in blue hell would they put seat heaters in a tank that hasn’t been used outside of the fucking middle east? jesus…at least they could’ve taken me out to dinner before they fucked me.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
ALIENS.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
i haven’t listened to any of the cd’s in my 6 disc changer since i got my car 5 yaers ago. wonder what’s in there.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Except Brandon McCarthy and his legendary image of him drawn into the PR photo of the 4 more heralded Oakland starters. That was awesome.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
You think the rioters will be able to make that distinction?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
What’s with all the hyper-analysis of every fucking key that J-Mac types? It isn’t like TBL is a Nobel Laureate or something, slow the fuck down…
July 12th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
This is really a drawn out way to get out of eating vegetables.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Haha Trayvon Martin. Remember when people gave a shit about him?
/internet activism’d
July 12th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
It’s absolute folly to think shutting the school down does any good. This is nothing but posturing by the author to get followers. If you are interested in punishment, find another method.
I’m frankly appalled that most of the commenters are so busy bitching about legacies and such, that the simple fact of the matter has once again been missed – young boys were allowed to be abused by an adult male and another group of adult males DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.
As a parent, that part makes me sick. As someone said in another post, Paterno, as a parent and grandparent, should have got off his ass and done MORE.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
No one wants to hear it, but this one’s on Jason Tennis.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
nope, not at all. unfortunately the murder 2 was probably a result of the media saturation on the issue and the guilty verdict handed down by the public before all the facts released.
i think he accidentally shot and killed the kid, i don’t think it was murder 2 by florida’s definition, and they will have a very tough time convincing 12 people it was.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Good point. I don’t follow him, but someone pointed out he was tweeting about the DA again. Always amused by his thoughts on that. I have dozens of emails and voicemails from conspiracy theorists I’ve saved over the last 7 years that he would love to peruse.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
mr. webb – it actually drives me to work harder and break more news.
“if they hatin’ you know you’re doing something.”
Jan-May we increased traffic each month.
We’ve broken more media news/had great media reads in the last month than we did the first 3 years this site was around.
Staff is doing great. Looking forward to the fall.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Zimmerman would have been better off emptying the magazine into
July 12th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
takes away any doubt that he was afraid for his life
July 12th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Fun fact, Denise Milani’s step-son comes to the basketball camp where I work. She’s just as hot in person.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Ah, the Colin Cowherd/Skip Bayless business model.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Jan-May we increased traffic each month.
We’ve broken more media news/had great media reads in the last month than we did the first 3 years this site was around.
Staff is doing great. Looking forward to the fall.
Good Job, Good Effort!
July 12th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Hmmmm.
/rubs chin
July 12th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Maybe shutting down PSU is a little overboard..however, they should decriminalize pooping in public on the campus…and in fact they should make it a tourist attraction C’mon everybody!Poop on Penn State! Where ever you want to go…You just have to go pee? That’s cool too!
July 12th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
CJ – lol. um, no.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
It’s a stupid idea that will destroy PA
is this possible?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
“if they hatin’ you know you’re doing something.”
Jan-May we increased traffic each month.
We’ve broken more media news/had great media reads in the last month than we did the first 3 years this site was around.
This sentiment reminds me of why American military and political leadership could not understand our lack of progress in Vietnam: “We’re killing 10 soldiers for everyone of ours that is killed…clearly we’re winning this war.”
July 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Who’s this Skip Bayless clown?
/disregard my site’s dozens of posts on him
//TBL
July 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Staff is doing great.
Tim’s syphilis is clearing up?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
What’s with all the hyper-analysis of every fucking key that J-Mac types? It isn’t like TBL is a Nobel Laureate or something, slow the fuck down…
+ 1
July 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Cowherd has literally used that quote before. It’s his MO.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Jason – I don’t think anybody doubts this, especially concerning the media specific coverage. The problem is you post about a wide variety of topics and have the potential to offer the same sort of insight, etc. as you do with the media toward these other topics. When you come up short, the hits are still there because the topic is popular, but the longtime readers/commenters complain because of the lack of your opinion, or effort, or detailed analysis..whatever. That’s my take anyway.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Jason’s enthusiasm is worrying me. Just a week ago he was looking for snakes in the grass and dropping the banhammer. Now half his comments are like press releases.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
What’s with all the hyper-analysis of every fucking key that J-Mac types? It isn’t like TBL is a Nobel Laureate or something, slow the fuck down…
Because he used to be better at it. I don’t think expecting high standards is unreasonable.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
25k jobs provided by PSU at main campus, 50k students having to look for new schools, the vast amount of research done at PSU (meterology, agriculture, chemistry, geology, etc.). Not to mention the 17 satellite campuses and all of the jobs associated with that.
Oh and the largest simulated trading floor at any business school in the US.
Yeah, it would hurt a lot…
July 12th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Jan-May we increased traffic each month.
We’ve broken more media news/had great media reads in the last month than we did the first 3 years this site was around.
Staff is doing great. Looking forward to the fall.
I imagined some sort of Enron situation here. While TBL is stating these facts, CRM is in the back shredding dong pics while Duffy is deleting all the cold call e-mails sent over the years.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
not to mention those figures were grossly overstated.
report: 12 man platoon came under fire, we returned fire. found ammo casings, no bodies, looks to be small squad.
by the time that report gets back to HQ and then to washington it turns into a 12 man platoon came under fire from two Vietcong companies, 120 enemy combatants killed.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Technically yes they could. But I could also technically walk up and down the hall of my office with my cock hanging out.
/points and laughs
July 12th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
i guess it’s that time of the month PMS621 comes to visit.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
i prefer jokey optimism…when i start opining, i get sad and angry
Well said spence.
I have several PSU friends and they’re taking this whole thing pretty hard.
/waits for “taking it hard” jokes
July 12th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
i guess it’s that time of the month PMS621 comes to visit.
How is what I said any different than the sentiment SC expressed in the previous post?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
No fans of the “Poop on Penn State” movement?
July 12th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
im not working anymore and felt like throwing around some old memes.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
im not working anymore and felt like throwing around some old memes.
Those who reside with glass pipes should be careful about throwing rocks.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Ritty – I’m not one of those guys who has a strong, lengthy opinion on EVERY TOPIC UNDER THE SUN. Sorry. Not going to happen.
There will be plenty of times (from my end) where information will be presented, and I won’t have an opinion. Why post it? Because I feel there’s value, maybe many readers hadn’t seen it.
This isn’t First Take or Around the Horn where I’m going to ramble on every topic. Sorry. I’ll play to my strengths.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
FLAWLESS VICTORY.
/staved off mutually assured destruction
July 12th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
So the healing process for the school and football team would be to set the team back a few decades and strip an already increasingly cash strapped school of a shitload of income. Good call.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
As much as I detest what happened at PSU, the Infante tweets miss the essential point–that the ultimate agency for governance is the Board of Trustees. Once the Board was actually made aware of the malfeasance (and because of that malfeasance wasn’t made aware earlier, as Freeh pointed out), they fired Spanier and Paterno. In short–it did what a Board was supposed to do in an institution where rot and corruption became evident.
It was far, far too late to make a difference for the dozens of victims, but the Board was kept in the dark here–when the lights came on, it took action. I understand Freeh’s rebuke to the Board about creating a culture of accountability, but really-the men who were entrusted by that Board to actually do their job and FOLLOW THE LAW did not do so–how culpable is the Board? I think the fact that the BoT was the only part of PSU that actually acted with swiftness and decisiveness when confronted with the evidence is telling.
I understand the anger and outrage, but shutting down PSU, or the DoE withholding federal aid money (which would do the same thing, essentially), makes the same error that Paterno, Spanier, et al. made–assuming that football is the whole institution. I could understand an argument to shutter football; I might not agree, but I could see the logic. The whole institution? Infante overreacts, and he also doesn’t understand how the DoE works–as long as an institution is properly accredited, they are eligible to receive federal money for financial aid. Will PSU lose accreditation over this? Not likely–though the governance issues are real, the institution can argue that the Board’s action in firing Spanier and Paterno point to an oversight that worked, albeit lately.
It’s an unprecedented scandal, and a damning and damaging report–and there are a lot of people who abused their power in a misguided attempt to protect their own interests at the expense of the victims. And it is reprehensible. But shutting down PSU is an overreaction borne of the raw emotional impact of these revelations. It’s an argument nearly as hysterical as the JoPa defenders make to protect their tarnished hero. We’re better served by drawing out the lessons in administrative accountability and governance that PSU will now provide us.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Jason – I fully support your right to not have a strong opinion on everything you post. In fact, it would be awful if you tried to. But keep in mind when you say that “someone came up with this idea, I endorse it” (which is more or less what you said last post), that it comes across more as your opinion, if not an original one, than you doing your best to relay an idea about which you don’t have any strong feelings.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
BUT HE KNOWS THE NCAA RULES THAT MEANS HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT DAMNIT
July 12th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
I endorse 115
July 12th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
sometimes we want you to have a ramble post of your own thoughts on topics. that’s why a lot of us came here in the first place.
despite the shit we give you (in jest for a vast majority of us) I’d rather have a post written by you on big topics than just links and screen shots to the opinion of someone else.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Now I’ve been known to give Jason some shit every once and then, but I honestly haven’t a fucking clue what this “opinion” nonsense is about.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
opinions are like assholes…they don’t stink if you don’t sniff that much.
July 12th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
As a way for everyone here to clear their palates of this distasteful subject, might I suggest a marathon viewing of movies from this guy?
July 12th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Issues arise with these educational institutions way more than you realize, most of you don’t know because they aren’t ALL sports related. Recently, the biggest was the backlash of the VT attacks where the DOE got involved with civil suits and the university paid around $40 million total in restitutions. That WILL happen to PSU, but on a much larger scale, and will in fact hurt the university. The first thing to happen will be a major hike in tuition rates, and the faint possibility of a few smaller university departments folding.
The university is obviously fine, but the football team is not. That’s a whole different issue that I don’t know enough about to comment. I assume things will suck balls for them though.
July 12th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Yup. Coupled with Corbett skullfucking their state contributions, dark times ahead financially.
July 12th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Like I mentioned before–I am stunned that the guy poaching everyone elses product for profit thinks it’s cool to steal music. Just stunned.