Matt Forte, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice And Running Back Holdouts
This weekend, nfl.com ran a feature on running back holdouts, going through the history of some notable ones. Being the kind of guy who cannot simply accept conventional wisdom or partial examples, though, I had to go digging through the old newspaper archives and see if there is any indication that holdouts hurt players. We are quick to point out when a back gets hurt after a holdout, but may not always remember those where the player went on to a successful season.
So I went through the newspaper archives using a keyword search of “running back” + “holdout” + “contract” for the months of August and September since 1990. Although it can be somewhat arbitrary and some things are labeled as holdouts that last one day of camp, I settled on finding all backs who held out or had not signed as a rookie within 30 days of the first game of the season. There were 37 such occasions up to and including Chris Johnson last year, excluding Bobby Humphery in 1991 holding out all season. Here they are, broken into two tables by resolution of holdout relative to the start of the season.
And those ending a holdout between 16 and 30 days of start of season.
[Update: Thanks to Tom Gower for pointing out that Lorenzo White held out also in 1991, signing after the start of the season and missing the first 3 games. White went on to have 676 yards and 4 touchdowns at age 25, after 1,070 yards and 12 touchdowns the previous year.]
Overall, the group missed an average of 3.5 games and played in an average of 12.1 that season (0.4 games were missed due to holdout going into start of season). They averaged 840 yards from scrimmage and 5.2 touchdowns. There was a vast array of ages and experiences, from rookies to star backs to guys wanting to get paid who were probably very replaceable. To compare them, to see how they did, I settled on finding the two most similar comps during the same years for each player from the previous year based on age, yards from scrimmage, touchdowns and games played. For rookies, I used the most similar players based on age and draft position.
The 74 comps for those players averaged 1016 yards from scrimmage the following (non-holdout) season, with 6.8 touchdowns and 13.3 games played, so we can see that they did still have some tendency to play in a few more games (1.2 on average, but that includes those lost to holdout), gain more yards and score more touchdowns.
What if we break it down by distance to start of season?
So, yes, while that group of holdouts that resolved more than 21 days from the start of the season did not produce as much, they also were not expected to do so based on prior year’s production, age, and draft status (for rookies). There was minimal difference for those players. Not as much for those who resolved a holdout within 20 days of the start of the season, where the games played and production per game were across the board lower, by about 10 yards per game.
Matt Forte, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Ray Rice are all top backs who have been trying to get a long term deal. They have leverage in the sense that their teams need them; I don’t think any of them are the equivalent of Errict Rhett or Barry Word. The teams, though, aren’t going to pay too much because of the risk of the position and the aging curve for running backs. As they play a game of chicken heading into camp, both have an incentive to get something done before we approach the final two preseason games. The real deadline is not the start of the season, as Chris Johnson found last year, but probably about the middle of August.
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July 3rd, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Nice to see the spell check was on for these Lisk.
Oh red squiggly line…
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Michael Bush lowers some of Matt Forte’s leverage though…while Forte is the superior back, the Bears can let him start missing paychecks.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Jason, maybe I missed this, but considering the holdouts missed an average of 3.5 games, was that factored in for the comparison to the non-holdouts for average YFS and TDs? In other words, you’re not comparing a 12.5-game season to a 16-game season, right?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 PM
i hope Ray Rice holds out for a long, long time.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 PM
12.1 to 13.3
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Being the kind of guy who cannot simply accept conventional wisdom or partial examples, though
I believe that is what is inscribed on the Lisk family crest.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 PM
LOL at signing RBs to long-term max contracts. Prepare to be mired in mediocrity for the next half decade.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Ravens should be ok. They have Joe Flacco.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:19 PM
i hope Ray Rice holds out for a long, long time.
Did you put $ on Bernard Pierce for ROY?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Eva Longoria wears a lot of eye makeup….a lot.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:23 PM
one brow to rule them all.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Like, all of it.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
i hope Ray Rice holds out for a long, long time.
needs more “severe hamstring tear in his first game back”
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Ha! I was just reminiscing about the great Eric Rhett holdout of 1996.
/not really
//TB was an all-time shit show back then.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
maybe some nagging groin tears as well.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
I thought it was a nice touch that he made this list twice, just 2 years apart.
Revis took note.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
I thought it was a nice touch that he made this list twice, just 2 years apart.
Revis took note.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
guys wanting to get paid who were probably very replaceable
I feel like Ray Rice and Matt Forte are a lot closer to this line than anybody wants to admit. Emmitt 2 Tha Streets is irreplaceable on that roster. But he might not be worth the money to them because they’re horrible no matter what. I wonder what the trade market is for MJD?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:32 PM
I wish there had been a comment in between 16 and 17. That would have been perfect
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
i just really hope these guys max out their 401K contributions once they end their hold out and get paid.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Can you do a similar holdout for CBs, and than another for CBs who hold out in consecutive years?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Also: Revis took Yahoo Finance.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Errict Rhett….ah yes, he was around at the height of my football card collecting as a kid. I thought he was going to be good and remember overpaying for his rookie cards from creepy old dudes at local card shows.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Only makes sense if living to 59 and a half is realistic.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
I wish I had read that before making my comment.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Errict Rhett was the third in a series of great Gator backs in the NFL. Then it eventually came to light that only one of them was actually great
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Well, you can access the money penalty free to pay for “severe financial hardships”. I think most guys would fit that category.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Errict Rhett….ah yes, he was around at the height of my football card collecting as a kid.
All the guys from ’90-’93 are working this magic for me. Harold Green held out? Did he actually get big $ or did somebody remind him that he wasn’t very good in the first place and he finally showed up? Is Jay V around for some thoughts on Harold Green?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Last summer we had a garage sale. I had a sign and all my baseball cards for sale. 82-86 topps, donruss, fleer. I was trying to give them away for whatever anybody offered. Not one person even asked. had to haul them back up the attic.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
How dare Firefox not recognize the word Natrone.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Not one person even asked. had to haul them back up the attic.
Crazy. At some point in the early 90s you would have made a really good amount of money, especially for the 84 Topps with the Olympic Cards.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Similar to the games of Florida or Ohio? and Florida or Germany?, we could play a game called Brown or Bengal?. As a Browns fan, I actually had to think on this one before I remembered we drafted William Green.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
unopened wax packs? anyone interesting in there?
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:52 PM
while Forte is the superior back
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Two years ago, my brother went to an auction at a closing baseball card shop here in Columbus. All of the
hardcore baseball card dorkscollectors there were only looking at the boxed sets, and my brother was the only bidder for some incomplete binders nobody wanted to hassle going through. Turned out every card was autographed, including a couple of near-completed sets. He’s a lucky fucker like that.July 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
how did those dorks miss that?
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 PM
/ Debacle’d
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I am staying away from Forte this season unless he lands on my lap
Playing hard to get, I see
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:08 PM
It’s one of life’s mysteries. The assumption is that the interest in anything other than full sets is so low that they didn’t give a shit. My favorites are the few cards from one of the religiousy players who took the time to quote scripture on each one. When I head out there to enjoy electricity, I’ll take a look at the haul again as I can’t remember the specific sets. ’86-’87 Tops, from memory.
/Team No Electricity Since Last Friday
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 PM
That’s cool. I thought I might do something fun like wallpaper a room or office with them one day.
If you have never been, go to http://www.morthas.com AKA The 1983 Fleer Project.
This guy is trying to get an entire set of 1983 Fleer signed. I’ve talked to Scott on many occasions, super person.
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Hello, friend
/Team not getting it back until Saturday
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:16 PM
good thing you took TBL’s 2008 advice and built up a stock of ammo and non-perishable foodstuffs like the rest of us, amirite?
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:17 PM
This guy is trying to get an entire set of 1983 Fleer signed. I’ve talked to Scott on many occasions, super person.
1983 is generally considered the greatest season in team sports history. I mean, look at that awesome World Series outcome
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
good thing you took TBL’s 2008 advice and built up a stock of ammo and non-perishable foodstuffs like the rest of us, amirite?
It’s the gold that’s really coming in handy right about now
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:22 PM
You’re an Orioles fan, that Tribe series was great.
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Actually, I did the opposite! I go to the store every day (Market District across the street, Whole Foods around the corner) and only buy fresh, so we’re fucked. Too hot to grill, so it’s Pad Thai three times a day.
Miz, we’re extra screwed because of her call schedule. Can’t really go farther than 15m from the hospital, so we’re just basking in it.
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:29 PM
I know the feeling. two months after moving to FL, Hurricane Faye or Gustav (can’t remember which one) rolled through and we had to get a hotel room on the hospital’s campus because the bridges out to our little beach town were going to be closed and she was required to be accessible. that was just one night though.
also, it’s never too hot to grill.
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Tonight is Ceviche, so I can avoid that heat.
July 3rd, 2012 at 4:39 PM
tried grilling last year in 98 degree heat with 100% humidity. never again.
July 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 PM
YOU JUST GOT LISK’D
July 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Roy Oswalt, quite the steal for the Rangers