Tiger Woods: 3 PGA Wins in 2012 – He Had Zero in 2010 and 2011!

All, Golf, Tiger Woods Jason McIntyre July 2nd. 2012, 2:58pm

Tiger Woods won the AT&T National at Congressional golf course over the weekend, capturing his 74th PGA Tour victory. He is now No. 2 on the PGA Tour wins list, just eight behind legendary Sam Snead.

[Pause for Applause.]

Tiger Woods has three wins in 2012, tops on the tour. Best I can tell, nobody won three last year, but seven golfers won two.

[Pause for Applause.]

Tiger Woods now has collected three wins on the Tour since his 2009 Thanksgiving night accident – the one where his wife allegedly caught him cheating on her and attacked the cad with a golf club; Tiger reportedly ended up in sex rehab – which is the same number of wins that media darling Phil Mickelson has in that time span! (One of Phil’s is the Masters, though.)

[Pause for lengthy Standing Applause.]

To recap: Tiger Woods is winning tournaments like he used to! (Well, sort of; he won six tournaments in 2009, seven in 2007, eight in 2006 and 1999, and nine in 2000. But we’re only six months into the year!)

[Pause for One Final Applause.]

Now for two other facts that are not clap-worthy*: Tiger Woods has not won a major in over four years. [Frowns, grumbling from the crowd.] Tiger Woods is 0-49 in majors in his career in which he has trailed after three rounds. [Mild cursing from pro-Tiger crowd.]

The Open Championship (British Open) runs from July 19th-July 22nd. Eldrick’s best finish on the course (Royal Lytham) is 25th in 2001. That means … who knows.

Bottom line: Tiger’s currently golfing better than he has the last three years. After that, it boils down to how much importance you place on majors. If Tiger wins five tournaments this year, but zero majors, what, if anything, does that mean?

*Hehehe.

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149 Responses to “Tiger Woods: 3 PGA Wins in 2012 – He Had Zero in 2010 and 2011!”

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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 PM
The fundamental flaw in your assumption is that someone needs to be winning majors to be a dominant or THE dominant golfer. Ten years ago, you can make that case, but so many course adjustments have been made to Tiger-proof the major courses that it’s just a lot harder to win one than it used to be, which is why you’re seeing “some guy named” win a lot of them.
He will never get back to where he was, in part because of his health and in part because the majors are not capable of being dominated now like they were when he was doing it.
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rittyrich Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 PM
If Tiger wins five tournaments this year, but zero majors, what, if anything, does that mean?
I’d like to see a list of players who have won 5 tournaments in one season.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Yes, golf post!!!!!
Damn it, JMac wrote it!!!
/goes back to work
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mizerle06 is sarah phillips Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 PM
*Hehehe.
/casually twirls banhammer
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Am I the only one who kept confusing de jonge and van pelt? In my defense I was at the bar and there was no sound…
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guinnessgirl13 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:06 PM
/Lights the Spencer signal
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 PM
If Tiger wins five tournaments this year, but zero majors, what, if anything, does that mean?
That he’s only 6 behind Sammy for the most tour wins ever?
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Also this has to shatter the record for most brackets in a post without an Ed. thrown in.
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rittyrich Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:08 PM
/Lights the Spencer signal
http://www.theweedblog.com/wp-content/uploads//homemade-golf-ball-marijuana-pipe.png
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Coach Mike Woodson, Atlanta Hawks Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:08 PM
The Open Championship (British Open)
Thanks for clarifying.
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St. Bear Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:10 PM
majors are not capable of being dominated now like they were when he was doing it.
Yup. A different person has won a major for a long time, something like 11 or 12.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Geoff Shack said it best:
Tiger Is Back For At Least The Fourth Time
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Babar 2.0 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Also this has to shatter the record for most brackets in a post without an Ed. thrown in.
Interesting use of capitalization and periods throughout, as well.
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arkbadger Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
If Tiger wins five tournaments this year, but zero majors, what, if anything, does that mean?
I would bet it means he wins, or comes close to winning (because who the fuck understands the scoring) the FedEx cup, which would mean he was the best golfer of the year. so there’s that.
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
The Open Championship (British Open) runs from July 19th-July 22nd. Eldrick’s best finish on the course (Royal Lytham) is 25th in 2001. That means … who knows.
In 1996 he shot a 281 at Royal Latham, which is tied for lowest amateur score in the history of The Open Championship (British Open).
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HuskerDawg Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 PM
This post…woof.
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 PM
That was good for a T-22.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Best I can tell, nobody won three last year, but seven golfers won two.
Random Dude Luke Donald won four times last year. The European Tour, while having some events weaker than the PGA Tour, has some events stronger than the PGA Tour. For example, 7 of the top 10 players were in the world played the Irish Open last week, a stronger event on one of the world’s best courses.
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Can’t wait for the British open to wipe that smug look he had on his face yesterday at the press conference. I even like the guy, but he just came across too smug for me.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Can’t wait for the British open to wipe that smug look he had on his face yesterday at the press conference. I even like the guy, but he just came across too smug for me.
That anything like the Open Championship?
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Tiger Woods is 0-49 in majors in his career in which he has trailed after three rounds.
what’s the average of all the golfers in “the field” when they trail after 3 rounds?
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arkbadger Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 PM
the Irish Open last week, a stronger event on one of the world’s best courses.
I hope they can put Royal Portrush in the rotation for The Open Championship (British Open) sometime soon like they are discussing. that place looked badass over the weekend.
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St. Bear Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 PM
what’s the average of all the golfers in “the field” when they trail after 3 rounds?
Better than .000. Boom!
/TBL
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 PM
hat anything like the Open Championship?
Serious question. Has it been called Open Championship for very long?
/just started watching golf regularly
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Tiger Woods is 0-49 in majors in his career in which he has trailed after three rounds.
what’s the average of all the golfers in “the field” when they trail after 3 rounds?
That’s a perfectly legit complaint against Tiger. It’s odd that he’s only won when tied or a leading. He’s had ample chances from not far behind to win a major but doeesn’t seem to do it. He better learn to do it if he’s getting 5 more. He shouldn’t be condemned for being a prolific front runner, but it’s valid.
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HawkEye Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Serious question. Has it been called Open Championship for very long?
150 years or so
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Has it been called Open Championship for very long?
Everywhere else in the world, yes. Kind of an American thing where it became known as the British Open somehow and stayed that way. British Open usage is pretty much on its way out.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Serious question. Has it been called Open Championship for very long?
To my knowledge, it has always been called that. It’s just called the British here because of the US Open.
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
To my knowledge, it has always been called that. It’s just called the British here because of the US Open.
I knew I couldn’t trust Jim Nance. He probably calls them Freedom Fries too.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Ten years ago, you can make that case, but so many course adjustments have been made to Tiger-proof the major courses that it’s just a lot harder to win one than it used to be, which is why you’re seeing “some guy named” win a lot of them.
false…the thing that’s evened the playing field is the increased consistency and performance of drivers and the ball. that’s what gives joe schmoe the ability to keep up with tiger and the other great drivers…in jack’s/hogan’s era, the best were separated from the fields because of their skill level, not who had the hottest putter.
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mizerle06 is sarah phillips Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
I’m buying a 7-Up and a Sierra Mist on my way home from work today.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
majors are not capable of being dominated now like they were when he was doing it.
Yup. A different person has won a major for a long time, something like 11 or 12.
so what you’re saying is…
it’s literally exactly the same situation the tour was in in between tiger’s other slumps.
got it.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:31 PM
Portrush as a course is completely valid. I think it’ll happen. They just need to be able to manage the infrastructure of a major event (vs. a Euro Tour event) and ensure some other factors are clear. I think 2018 or 2019 is reasonable. I believe a Sr. Open is there to again, continue to ensure it’s preparedness.
Sandwich and some others with equal infrastructure/commercial viability challenges but have managed to host an Open recently, so I think it gets done.
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TheRealAC Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:31 PM
/Lights the Spencer signal
http://www.theweedblog.com/wp-content/uploads//homemade-golf-ball-marijuana-pipe.png
that thing is 6 kinds of awesome.
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 PM
The Open Championship (British Open) winner used to be awarded a red leather belt. Then some guy won it 3 years in a row and they let him keep it. Since they didn’t have a prize, they cancelled next year’s tournament. Seems logical.
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Tim Ryan Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Tiger’s smirking arrogance in the press conference yesterday was divine. So good to see.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Random Dude Luke Donald won four times last year. The European Tour, while having some events weaker than the PGA Tour, has some events stronger than the PGA Tour. For example, 7 of the top 10 players were in the world played the Irish Open last week, a stronger event on one of the world’s best courses.
the irish open usually has a strong field as players go to the isles to adjust to the time changes. the other strong euro fields are in events that get the highest appearance fees.
but even with the most top 10/25/50 players in a field, the pga events are just as cutthroat, in my opinion. the icing is just as good on the euro tour, the cake is not.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Obviously the field has caught up to the big guys a lot spence but you really don’t think the changes they’ve been making to courses has mattered? A few hundred yards between the last two Pebble opens, 400 something at Augusta in a decade?
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illformula Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
anyone know how many players have won majors when trailing after 54 holes during Tiger’s career?
i’m just curious and don’t have the time to look it up.
it’s a def knock on Tiger but still, *14/53 is pretty damn impressive.
*quick math
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
So my Buddie’s wife just got us passes to play congressional next month. I really hope my new lessons help out before I go and play like an asshole.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:34 PM
“Tiger-Proofing” helped him win MORE tourneys (or at worst, didn’t cause him to win less) but it just kept some scores down. IMO the whole concept was fundamentally flawed and did some damage to the game.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
50/50, Squirt, 7-Up, Sprite, Sierra Mist
Cotton Club, Canada Dry, Seagrams (skip 100), Vernors
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Obviously the field has caught up to the big guys a lot spence but you really don’t think the changes they’ve been making to courses has mattered? A few hundred yards between the last two Pebble opens, 400 something at Augusta in a decade?
i don’t think so…if the courses were longer and tougher, but the equipment less advanced, he’d DOMINATE. but when the entire field can keep up with him in terms of distance, not via skill but via technology, the playing field is artificially leveled.
i don’t see how making courses longer when tiger’d be hitting 8i’s compared to the field hitting 5i’s ushered in parity. but everyone hitting 300 yard drives? there you go.
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cracker jack Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Everywhere else in the world, yes. Kind of an American thing where it became known as the British Open somehow and stayed that way. British Open usage is pretty much on its way out.
Why should it be on its way out. If they are both called the Open and one is held in the US, and one in England, the names US Open and British Open make a hell of a lot more sense.
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
That’s a perfectly legit complaint against Tiger. It’s odd that he’s only won when tied or a leading. He’s had ample chances from not far behind to win a major but doeesn’t seem to do it. He better learn to do it if he’s getting 5 more. He shouldn’t be condemned for being a prolific front runner, but it’s valid.
yeah, it’s a valid argument to a degree but what should we expect 10-39? 30-19? 48-1 when trailing after 3 rounds? 1-48?
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
anyone know how many players have won majors when trailing after 54 holes during Tiger’s career?
2009 PGA and that’s it I think?
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Oops I read that wrong thought you meant how many had Tiger lost when holding a share of the lead.
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HawkEye Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
So my Buddie’s wife just got us passes to play congressional next month. I really hope my new lessons help out before I go and play like an asshole.
Probably not enough. Just remember to pick up the ball if need be
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Why should it be on its way out. If they are both called the Open and one is held in the US, and one in England, the names US Open and British Open make a hell of a lot more sense.
have you seen “the greatest game ever played?” they hint at some of the condescension towards american golf in that movie. im guessing that’s where it was born, and this nonsense is still carried out because golf’s history is still controlled by stuffy people.
europeans clamor for another european major…i don’t think they necessarily deserve it. not enough great courses outside scotland, not enough courses that can handle the mass of humanity watching these things…and the fields would be 2/3-75% american regardless.
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ButtersBC Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Why should it be on its way out. If they are both called the Open and one is held in the US, and one in England, the names US Open and British Open make a hell of a lot more sense
People don’t call the US Open “The Open” do they?
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
If Tiger wins five tournaments this year, but zero majors, what, if anything, does that mean?
It means he blew it in the majors when his game was worthy of a title and that he’ll regret not capitalizing winning these when he’s healthy. Tiger doesn’t have time to waste. He still needs FIVE more and this year’s tracks were well suited for him.
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arkbadger Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
So my Buddie’s wife just got us passes to play congressional next month. I really hope my new lessons help out before I go and play like an asshole.
I wouldn’t worry too much about your score, assuming most of us here would go out and play like assholes. soak up the experience as best you can though. that should be quite the time.
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cracker jack Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
People don’t call the US Open “The Open” do they?
“The Open” and “US Open” are too close
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:40 PM
That’s a perfectly legit complaint against Tiger. It’s odd that he’s only won when tied or a leading. He’s had ample chances from not far behind to win a major but doeesn’t seem to do it. He better learn to do it if he’s getting 5 more. He shouldn’t be condemned for being a prolific front runner, but it’s valid.
it’s not valid in the slightest. tiger should not be criticized for being better than the field for an entire tournament because of some arbitrary cut off period.
that’s like bitching about oklahoma not having enough comeback wins when they’ve put up 60 halfway thru the 3rd quarter.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Portrush is still the only Northern Ireland course to ever get The Open, right? I mean I know it was sixty some years ago but at least they down have to worry about that barrier being torn down.
Spence do you agree with the larger point that if Tiger doesn’t win a major this year it’s not an indictment of his golf? In that it doesn’t invalidate the rest of his season as TBL is stating explicitly?
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:41 PM
People don’t call the US Open “The Open” do they?
people talk about the us open like omar from the wire.
/HIRE ME TO BE A SPORTSWRITER
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
I wouldn’t worry too much about your score, assuming most of us here would go out and play like assholes. soak up the experience as best you can though. that should be quite the time.
I don’t think we get to play the Blue course, but it’s still pretty cool.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Fun Fact Tiger has come from behind after 54 holes to win 21 times on the PGA Tour. If you win 20 times on the PGA tour you get a lifetime exemption. This is just another example of the over analysis of Tiger’s game.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Spence do you agree with the larger point that if Tiger doesn’t win a major this year it’s not an indictment of his golf? In that it doesn’t invalidate the rest of his season as TBL is stating explicitly?
yep…and been on that bandwagon for awhile.
if anything, tiger’s 3 wins so far is a better sign of where he’s at than a major. webb simpson’s had a shitty ass year and im not about to call him the POY because he won the us open while having a fairly mediocre regular season.
golf’s always about the bigger picture…majors are great and if you want a legacy as a great, you need multiples, but there have been plenty of good players who haven’t won more than one. id take major-less lee westwood or luke donald over all but maybe 10 golfers right now.
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Jay V Of Considerable Influence Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
What was the purpose of this?
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
people talk about the us open like omar from the wire.
/HIRE ME TO BE A SPORTSWRITER
easy there, Bill Simmons. not enough “The Wire” references in your comment to be a sportswriter.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
The Open was there first. I don’t need to be jingoistic and demand to call it British, when nobody else uses that term. It’s common in the golf world by an overwhelming margin this is the term. However, I am not one to get my pants in a wad if somebody says British Open. That’s unnecessary as well.
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cracker jack Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
What was the purpose of this?
I think TBL is trying to bait the other dude he wants to ban
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HawkEye Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
What was the purpose of this?
To be a troll and garner clicks
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
So my Buddie’s wife just got us passes to play congressional next month. I really hope my new lessons help out before I go and play like an asshole.
which course? if you’re playing the blue course, good luck…that thing was a bear for PGA’ers last week. 100 is nothing to be ashamed of.
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
What was the purpose of this?
going back to the well for clicks
/low seven figures
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
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That’s a perfectly legit complaint against Tiger. It’s odd that he’s only won when tied or a leading. He’s had ample chances from not far behind to win a major but doeesn’t seem to do it. He better learn to do it if he’s getting 5 more. He shouldn’t be condemned for being a prolific front runner, but it’s valid.
yeah, it’s a valid argument to a degree but what should we expect 10-39? 30-19? 48-1 when trailing after 3 rounds? 1-48?
I feel like it’s only mentioned because Jack came from behind in 7 of 18 major victories.
Dominating for 4 rounds is more impressive to me than overturning a 2 or 3-stroke deficit on Sunday anyways.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:47 PM
The Open was there first. I don’t need to be jingoistic and demand to call it British, when nobody else uses that term. It’s common in the golf world by an overwhelming margin this is the term. However, I am not one to get my pants in a wad if somebody says British Open. That’s unnecessary as well.
you’re not being jingoistic by calling it the british open…you’re being specific since the us open is on an equal level in regards to prestige.
and im not being jingoistic when i say i want to qualify for the us open and couldn’t care less about the british, even though they’re both equally democratic. they’re two entirely different beasts and should be specified as such.
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guinnessgirl13 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
What was the purpose of this?
I think TBL is trying to bait the other dude he wants to ban
Dang. I enjoyed the beekeeping comments.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
but if Tiger says his goal is to win the most majors – which he has since forever, its perfectly valid to mention he can only win as a front runner in majors.
that statement doesnt invalidate his performance in other events.
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cracker jack Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Dang. I enjoyed the beekeeping comments.
It is our job to keep the beekeeper alive, in our hearts. I for one thought he was a funny, interesting dinner party guest.
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molemaninthemorning Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
they’re two entirely different beasts and should be specified as such.
It’s easy to differentiate.
US Open: Tournament that FIGJAM isn’t willing to exploit a family illness to mask being horrible on a certain course.
British Open: Tournament that he is willing to do so.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
but if Tiger says his goal is to win the most majors – which he has since forever, its perfectly valid to mention he can only win as a front runner in majors.
it’s not in the slightest. his goal is to win the most majors, not comeback from behind to win the most majors. as long as they’re playing entire tournaments from front to back and not just starting on sundays with tiger two back, we go back to a famous golf axiom…not how, but how many.
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
It is our job to keep the beekeeper alive, in our hearts. I for one thought he was a funny, interesting dinner party guest.
i think we should all change our gravitar to that of a Bee in solidarity.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:52 PM
but if Tiger says his goal is to win the most majors – which he has since forever, its perfectly valid to mention he can only win as a front runner in majors.
You don’t find it absurd to be criticizing the WAY he has won 14 majors?
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:52 PM
It’s easy to differentiate.
US Open: Tournament that FIGJAM isn’t willing to exploit a family illness to mask being horrible on a certain course.
British Open: Tournament that he is willing to do so.
gotta say your phil-hate is amusing, but can’t touch clown’s…clown HATES phil. you can feel the hate oozing from his pores even thru email.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:53 PM
i think we should all change our gravitar to that of a Bee in solidarity.
it’s tough to see one of our own so BEE-leaguered.
/rimshot
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 PM
I only hope Tiger wins 17 majors and then loses 15 majors by 1 stroke. Please let this happen.
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:55 PM
but if Tiger says his goal is to win the most majors – which he has since forever, its perfectly valid to mention he can only win as a front runner in majors.
add the context that Tiger has missed what, 8 or 9 cuts in his career?
considering some of this contemporaries like Phil Mickelson have missed like 60 or so.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I only hope Tiger wins 17 majors and then loses 15 majors by 1 stroke. Please let this happen.
cmon…you wouldn’t be frothing watching tiger’s chase for 18 and 19? i think all things considered*, that’d be an even bigger event than hank aaron’s record being broken.
*bonds man…sheeeeeeeeeit
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
You don’t find it absurd to be criticizing the WAY he has won 14 majors?
I am not doing that at all. Not sure where I said that. I’ve pointed out he’s blown some good chances at picking up a few more.
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njensen79 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Did Ben get banned?
/have been out of it for a while.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
I’ve pointed out he’s blown some good chances at picking up a few more.
Trailing after 3 rounds of a major implies that your chances of winning aren’t “good”.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 PM
cmon…you wouldn’t be frothing watching tiger’s chase for 18 and 19? i think all things considered*, that’d be an even bigger event than hank aaron’s record being broken.
I watch every major and yeah it’d be exciting as hell. And i’d agree that 19 would be > 756. (And for the crowd, I’ve been among the first to chime in with props for Tiger when due on many threads here in the past).
19 would be like 4,700 hits or 10 rings.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:00 PM
That’s a perfectly legit complaint against Tiger. It’s odd that he’s only won when tied or a leading. He’s had ample chances from not far behind to win a major but doeesn’t seem to do it. He better learn to do it if he’s getting 5 more. He shouldn’t be condemned for being a prolific front runner, but it’s valid.
Then what was this?
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cracker jack Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Did Ben get banned?
/have been out of it for a while.
This morning, for an innocuous comment, just because TBL had been wanting to ban him. Even though he had previously told Ben something to the effect of ‘youre not even worth it it to ban’
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Trailing after 3 rounds of a major implies that your chances of winning aren’t “good”.
and, if we’re talking comebacks, his comeback in 2000 in the pro-am at pebble where he came back from down 7 going into the back 9.
funny enough…that was tiger’s 17th win and he was 24. rory’s got 4 and i think he’s a better player than tiger was. what a shitshow, that ulsterman.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I’ve pointed out he’s blown some good chances at picking up a few more.
Trailing after 3 rounds of a major implies that your chances of winning aren’t “good”.
Wait, I’ve just been told he’s won 21 times on tour when trailing…
Sorry, when you are Tiger Woods and down 1-3 strokes going into Sunday on a major, yeah, you’re chances are good. It’s b.s. to say otherwise. I’m not saying he’s gotta pull a 63 out his ass each time.
Tiger apologists are tripping over other today.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:04 PM
funny enough…that was tiger’s 17th win and he was 24. rory’s got 4 and i think he’s a better player than tiger was.
Rory isn’t even better then Tiger NOW…
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Doc you gotta be more specific. Not sure what you had issue with there.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Sorry, when you are Tiger Woods and down 1-3 strokes going into Sunday on a major, yeah, you’re chances are good. It’s b.s. to say otherwise. I’m not saying he’s gotta pull a 63 out his ass each time.
Tiger apologists are tripping over other today.
i dont speak for the others, but that’s not what im saying. im saying there’s some importance to that figure, but he doesn’t let himself get behind late in order to secure those come from behind victories, that’s all. i dont think he’s thinking “oh shit, ive never come from behind in a major on sunday before” when he’s behind in a major on sunday.
yesterday was fun as hell…bo van pelt was a great litmus test to see if tiger’s really on the track to back. bo gave him all he could handle until 16.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:06 PM
This morning, for an innocuous comment, just because TBL had been wanting to ban him. Even though he had previously told Ben something to the effect of ‘youre not even worth it it to ban’
This post alone has factual errors, horrible punctuation, faulty logic, and a general lack of intelligence. Can Jmac be banned for writing on his own site?
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Here’s Ben’s comment. CJ’s fault, really.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Rory isn’t even better then Tiger NOW…
im talking skill set. rory’s a better driver now than tiger ever was, better iron player, he’s the perfect player for this era while tiger was a balata golfer shoved into the titanium era. rory shouldn’t have to scramble like tiger did early on…and yet, he does.
rory’s also more technically sound than tiger was at their respective ages.
my point was, rory’s a phenomenal physical specimen, but tiger’s competitive fire, especially early on, is the HUGE difference.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Tiger came from behind to win the 2005 Masters on a Sunday. Then how about when he had to birdie the 18th hole to force a playoff at the US Open in 2008. He has come from behind in majors not just your cutoff of 54 holes. How about when he birdied the last 2 to force a playoff with Bob May at the PGA?
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Tiger apologists are tripping over other today.
Sorry, when you are Tiger Woods and down 1-3 strokes going into Sunday on a major, yeah, you’re chances are good. It’s b.s. to say otherwise.
So basically you wanted him to win EVERY major he played in from 97 on, both the ones he led and the ones he trailed. The guy played at a higher level than the game has ever seen, but I guess that warrants some criticism somehow. It’s like criticizing someone who won the triple crown for striking out too much.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Tiger came from behind to win the 2005 Masters on a Sunday. Then how about when he had to birdie the 18th hole to force a playoff at the US Open in 2008. He has come from behind in majors not just your cutoff of 54 holes. How about when he birdied the last 2 to force a playoff with Bob May at the PGA?
amen.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:11 PM
I will give you that he is a better driver then Tiger iron player no way. short game no way Putting not even close. Ability to win Tiger in a landslide. Focus on the golf course Tiger in a landslide.
You do realize that people say that Tiger’s swing from 2000 is the best swing in the history of the game right?
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:12 PM
You do realize that people say that Tiger’s swing from 2000 is the best swing in the history of the game right?
NOT EVEN FUCKING CLOSE.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Yes those happened. He was also in the final group. They should bring those up to be fair when making the other point. But it’s legit to bring up how a guy does when standing after 54. Many golfers are judged this way, not just Tiger. For example, they used to needle Payne Stewart early in his career about “backing into” a # if wins.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:14 PM
better swings than tiger’s in 2000, just off the top of my head:
-hogan
-snead
-byron nelson
-george knudson
-lee trevino
-moe norman
-mac o’grady
-jimmy demaret
-peter thomson
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 PM
You do realize that people say that Tiger’s swing from 2000 is the best swing in the history of the game right?
not sure if I am willing to go there. in the conversation. sublime all around game and best era of clutch putting ever.
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St. Bear Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 PM
better swings than tiger’s in 2000, just off the top of my head:
The lack of Sergio has me questioning everything I thought I knew about you.
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Brannigans Law Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Tiger apologists are tripping over other today.
Don’t forget the overly critical Tiger people.
He had at least 3 putts that were on a perfect line end up ~6 inches short yesterday. He could have easily run away with the tournament. If he wins 3 more times this year, it’ll be a big year even without a major.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:16 PM
You mean the swing that won 4 majors in a row isn’t the best of all time?
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 PM
But it’s legit to bring up how a guy does when standing after 54. Many golfers are judged this way, not just Tiger
What is Phil’s record when trailing going into a Sunday at a Major?
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 PM
that old tiger was so fearless with his lag putting he was constantly droppingn long ones and then fearlessly guiding in testy 4-5 foot lags.
today he is dying more putts than ever at the hole, missing 2 inches short, rubs bridge of nose, looks up in disgust, taps in 2 inch putt…
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 PM
You mean the swing that won 4 majors in a row isn’t the best of all time?
no, the swing that won 3 majors in a row after having his entire body destroyed in a car accident 24 months earlier is the best of all time.
tiger’s cleaned up so many of his poor shots with stellar short game and putting that it obscures the fact he’s seve tee-to-green. hogan, trevino, snead…those guys couldn’t putt for shit but were so deadly tee-to-green they won and contended in boatloads of majors. imagine them with tiger’s putter…SCARY.
trevino might have never lost.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
better swings than tiger’s in 2000, just off the top of my head:
-hogan
-snead
-byron nelson
-george knudson
-lee trevino
-moe norman
-mac o’grady
-jimmy demaret
-peter thomson
Agree completely. Tiger’s swing wasn’t (and still isn’t) the most perfect. His ability to repeat it, execute it under pressure, putt under pressure, and focus/grind made him better than anyone who ever played. Dude went about 10 years without EVER missing a 10 foot putt that he really needed to make.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
The list you have is a joke by the way.
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AssaultWithAConcreteDildo Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:19 PM
I love it when Tiger comes from behind.
/Perkins waitress’d
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The lack of Sergio has me questioning everything I thought I knew about you.
it’s a great swing, but by no means is it in a class with the above. he struggles with less-than-full shots…the others didn’t.
we’re talking pure ballstriking here…sergio, greg norman, faldo…they’d be in the next tier.
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kaiserwilhelmreems Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Here’s Ben’s comment. CJ’s fault, really.
didn’t realize that a wet paper bag was thicker than TBL’s skin.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The list you have is a joke by the way.
how so?
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
if you wanna judge tiger vs. phil, take that conversation back to your preschool class. like comparing mad dog to a fine wine
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
What is Phil’s record when trailing going into a Sunday at a Major?
1-81. Was trailing by 1 going into Sunday of the 2010 Masters.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:21 PM
if you wanna judge tiger vs. phil, take that conversation back to your preschool class. like comparing mad dog to a fine wine
agreed…tiger hasn’t come close to touching phil lately.
/im kidding
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 PM
His ability to repeat it, execute it under pressure,
the entire goal of a golf swing and Tiger Woods is the best ever at especially in 2000-2001. Only reason he doesn’t swing like that anymore is because his body can’t handle it.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:23 PM
phil would be the mad dog 20/20. I’d at least recognize him as the grape mad dog, which at least has higher alcohol content than the other varieties.
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St. Bear Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:24 PM
it’s a great swing, but by no means is it in a class with the above. he struggles with less-than-full shots…the others didn’t.
we’re talking pure ballstriking here…sergio, greg norman, faldo…they’d be in the next tier.
I like to play off memes and not add anything to the discussion, so I couldn’t pass an opportunity for a Sergio joke..
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:25 PM
how so?
When you are saying players that never won a major had a better swing then Tiger Woods do you not see the problem with that?
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:26 PM
His ability to repeat it, execute it under pressure,
the entire goal of a golf swing and Tiger Woods is the best ever at especially in 2000-2001. Only reason he doesn’t swing like that anymore is because his body can’t handle it.
agreed completely with the last part…which is why i took issue with you calling it the best swing of all time. if repeating it is the goal, he doesn’t and really hasn’t in his career…he’s not a robot like hunter mahan, he’s an artist.
not doubting he hits great shots under pressure, but he hits some pretty foul shots when not under pressure too. he’s just good enough to get out of them…if he were a robot, like hunter mahan, we wouldn’t love him so much.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:26 PM
if you wanna judge tiger vs. phil, take that conversation back to your preschool class. like comparing mad dog to a fine wine
You were the won who said that players are judged the same was as Tiger is.
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MP Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 PM
When you are saying players that never won a major had a better swing then Tiger Woods do you not see the problem with that?
If I had Tiger’s swing I wouldn’t win any majors because I am not a good putter.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 PM
When you are saying players that never won a major had a better swing then Tiger Woods do you not see the problem with that?
i don’t because im not talking about better golfers than tiger (he’s in the top 3 with hogan and nicklaus in my opinion), just purely swings.
tiger’s swing in 2000 had a bunch of issues. he was timing his release, his hips rotated extremely fast and his upper body couldn’t keep up, he generated (still does) a ton of spin with his driver because of his angle of attack, he struggled with partial shots under butch, he spun the ball too much with full wedges under butch.
again…these are purely swing issues. as a golfer in that era, he was no doubt without peer.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Doc not sure where I said that. Maybe provide some quotes.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 PM
which is why i took issue with you calling it the best swing of all time.
Cause he has a bad knee that has been bad since he had his first surgery on it when he was 16 couldn’t handle it? How does that make his golf swing better or worse?
Everybody hits bad shots when they play golf you just remember more of Tiger’s becasue he is the only golfer who has every one of his shots on TV.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:30 PM
If I had Tiger’s swing I wouldn’t win any majors because I am not a good putter.
exactly the point i was trying to make.
if tiger had hogan’s putter, he’d never have won a major. if seve had jack’s wedges, he’d never have won a major. if 50-something tom watson had 30-something tom watson’s putter, he’d have stewart cink’s claret jug, and i think we’d all appreciate that.
/stewart cink sucks
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:32 PM
His ability to repeat it, execute it under pressure,
the entire goal of a golf swing and Tiger Woods is the best ever at especially in 2000-2001. Only reason he doesn’t swing like that anymore is because his body can’t handle it.
Actually, the entire goal of the swing is to make the ball do exactly what you want it to do on a particular shot. As Spencer has said, Tiger didn’t always do that even when he dominated. But he was also the best scrambler/grinder of all time. Nobody shot more 69′s while not hitting the ball very well. Which is why he never missed cuts.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Cause he has a bad knee that has been bad since he had his first surgery on it when he was 16 couldn’t handle it? How does that make his golf swing better or worse?
it makes his 2000-era golf swing “worse” because that swing led to injuries which caused it to be unsustainable.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:33 PM
But it’s legit to bring up how a guy does when standing after 54. Many golfers are judged this way, not just Tiger
Does this jog your memory scripty?
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Ballz is The Stig Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I’m glad you guys manage to carve out a little niche here and there where you can talk about golf. Good for you.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 PM
it makes his 2000-era golf swing “worse” because that swing led to injuries which caused it to be unsustainable.
His knee was already messed up before that.
Actually, the entire goal of the swing is to make the ball do exactly what you want it to do on a particular shot.
And if you can repeat your swing then you can do that. I am sure it is tough to break 90 on Sundays but keep practicing you will get there
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Arguement for Hogan’s swing vs. Tiger’s swing:
In May 1967, the editor of Cary Middlecoff’s 1974 book The Golf Swing watched every shot that 54-year-old Hogan hit in the Colonial National Invitational in Fort Worth, Texas. “Hogan shot 281 for a third-place tie with George Archer. Of the 281 shots, 141 were taken in reaching the greens. Of the 141, 139 were rated from well-executed to superbly executed. The remaining two were a drive that missed the fairway by some 5 yards and a 5-iron to a par-3 hole that missed the green by about the same distance.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:37 PM
and im splitting hairs too. tiger’s 2000 swing was def phenomenal…he created absurd amounts of speed and was learning to control spin and distance. i think he made a mistake going with haney, but under haney, he was luke donald times 100, so i can’t criticize too much.
and under foley? good god, he looks scary as shit.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:39 PM
His knee was already messed up before that.
and his swing with butch didn’t address that. he was still snapping that front leg.
if repeating the swing is the key, shouldn’t you take off points for the fact this element of his swing was the very root of what forced him to change it in the first place?
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:39 PM
But it’s legit to bring up how a guy does when standing after 54. Many golfers are judged this way, not just Tiger
Does this jog your memory scripty?
That statement was about golf analysis in general. The 2nd statement I made was about the point in comparing Tiger vs. Phil. I think comparing Tiger to Phil is absurd. If you want to just be so volatile and not read context clues then go ahead.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:41 PM
wish i wasn’t leaving the office, i love this shit…
doc and everyone…what are your thoughts about his future with foley?
it seems im one of the few that’s extremely optimistic about how his new swing is looking. his short game will come around soon, but i LOVE how he hits his irons.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:42 PM
And if you can repeat your swing then you can do that.
I call bullshit. I can repeat my horrible swing very well, and very seldom make the ball do what I want it to.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:43 PM
and his swing with butch didn’t address that. he was still snapping that front leg.
That was how he created more power which he said was unconventional in his book.
I think comparing Tiger to Phil is absurd. If you want to just be so volatile and not read context clues then go ahead.
Not at all but you said many golfers were judged this way so I brought up the second greatest golfer of this generation as a comparison which now you find fault with
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 PM
I call bullshit. I can repeat my horrible swing very well, and very seldom make the ball do what I want it to.
That is because you are not actually repeating your swing. You are swinging close to the same but that makes the results very different.
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Wally's World Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:45 PM
The beset number I saw all day:
Tiger has won 27% of tournaments entered since he started in 1996(?).
Jack won 13% of his entries.
Others that you would recognize all are under 10%.
Any criticisms of Tiger’s game are directed at him because the expectations are so much higher for him than they are for anyone else in history. I don’t think that can be argued.
He’s now at half the odds of the 2nd most favored to win the Open Championship (5/1 while Rory is 10/1). I think that says that Tiger is nearing comeback territory. He may not be completely dominant yet, but he is playing better than anyone in the world right now.
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Doc Holliday Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:47 PM
what are your thoughts about his future with foley?
Very promising his short game seems to be kind of weak right bow but I think that is due to him not practicing it at all (like the switch with Butch and Haney) and just focusing on the full swing. If he can just hit the fairways he will be extremely difficult to beat.
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arkbadger Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:48 PM
He’s now at half the odds of the 2nd most favored to win the Open Championship (5/1 while Rory is 10/1)
I’m currently looking at said odds trying to find a decent value bet. a buddy took hot Charl at 50/1, which ain’t bad at all.
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Wally's World Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:49 PM
I’m currently looking at said odds trying to find a decent value bet. a buddy took hot Charl at 50/1, which ain’t bad at all.
That’s a good find. Dude can strike it. He’s really hot and cold, but when playing well, he’s a top of the leaderboard guy.
The Mechanic is ALWAYS a good bet in the Open. Not sure his odds though.
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46yearslump Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:50 PM
I call bullshit. I can repeat my horrible swing very well, and very seldom make the ball do what I want it to.
That is because you are not actually repeating your swing. You are swinging close to the same but that makes the results very different.
Yes I know. Was being semi-sarcastic. I suck.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 PM
I think he’s got a couple in him. If he stays relatively healthy I think he can do it (19). I have reservations if he can stay healthy however. I think it’ll be a constant health drama with him from here out though.
He will need to learn to keep form with less range time. Maybe once he feels he has the Foley changes done he can stop beating so many balls on the range and just put/chip more…. that’d help his total game and his body.
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scripty Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Charl at 50/1
That’s a terrific value bet.
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spencer096 Says:
July 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Tiger has won 27% of tournaments entered since he started in 1996(?).
Jack won 13% of his entries.
Others that you would recognize all are under 10%.
love that stat, but think tiger’s lower now.
think hogan was around 20% too…here’s fucked up. hogan finished outside the top 10 in 9 of the majors he played in (29 top 10′s and better). speaking of…9 wins in 39 chances is insane, let alone six of those wins coming after the car accident.