I’d be fine with the PED guys being out but I think it’s inevitable a few of them get in. Clemens and Bonds could technically get in as IMO they warranted induction before they roided out. This might be the case with Man-Ram as well. People could make arguements forever on this topic.

Mind you, I am not playing moral arbiter. I do feel roids was cheating and they are all stained.

But if I had a vote, with gun-to-my head:
No:
Sosa
Piazza
Bagwell
Walker
Palmiero
Man-Ram

In
Frank Thomas
Larkin
Biggio barely, probably amphetamine abuser

Toughest call IMO would be Biggio and Thome.

i thought it was an integrity issue

and gambling does not equal ped use because….?

Steroids became schedule 1 in the early 90′s. Same as coke and heroin.

Schilling has borderline HoF credentials, including being co-WS MVP on the ’01 D’Backs. 3 2nd place Cy Young finishes, 2x KO leader of the NL, 127 ERA+, 8.3 K/9 and 4.33 K/BB career rates. Schilling has 76.9 bWAR vs. Morris 49 bWAR.

Morris couldn’t sniff Schlling’s jock.

Morris also pitched in the AL his entire career.

But when considering the if-I-had-to-win-one-game-which-guy-would-I-start hypothetical, there has to be a place for guys like Morris and Schilling.

Schilling has borderline HoF credentials, including being co-WS MVP on the ’01 D’Backs. 3 2nd place Cy Young finishes, 2x KO leader of the NL, 127 ERA+, 8.3 K/9 and 4.33 K/BB career rates. Schilling has 76.9 bWAR vs. Morris 49 bWAR.

Morris couldn’t sniff Schlling’s jock.

there has to be a place for guys like Morris and Schilling.

Schilling is a douche and a horrible businessman, but he was a way better than Jack Morris.

Jack Morris in the postseason – 92.1 IP, 7-4, 3.80 ERA
El Duque in the postseason 106 IP, 9-3, 2.55 ERA

If you’re nitpicking statistics, Morris led the Majors in wins during the 80s

Come on man, it’s 2012…aren’t we past this?

But when considering the if-I-had-to-win-one-game-which-guy-would-I-start hypothetical, there has to be a place for guys like Morris and Schilling.

You take the pitcher with the “calm eyes” and nebulous “big game mettle” and I’ll take the better pitcher.

Disagree strongly. Clemens was a slam dunk. How do feel about Pedro, by the way? I think he’s a slam dunk, and he basically had your hypothetical career for Clemens after age 34, and *only* 219 wins. He’s going in easily

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Now that i look at it, i think i underestimated how good Clemens was from ’86-’92. Very close to Pedro and maybe better if you account for the volume of innings. Obviously Pedro is a slam dunk, I think he was the best 7-inning pitcher of all time.

mark grace led the 90s in hits…is he in?

Only if we add a “Hall of Slumpbusters” for him.

Oh, and Jack Morris never won a Cy Young award during his career, only placing as high as 3rd in 81 & 83. But yeah, let’s put him in the Hall.

What’s with all the Jack Morris hate? I already implied that he doesn’t stack up with the GOAT pitchers (statistically). But when considering the if-I-had-to-win-one-game-which-guy-would-I-start hypothetical, there has to be a place for guys like Morris and Schilling.

To be technical, isn’t the HOF ran by BBWAA and not MLB? Anybody?