Roger Clemens is a Free Man. Should He Be in the Hall of Fame?
Roger Clemens is a free man. It could not be proved he lied to Congress, in a hearing at his own behest. This absolves him legally. He won’t be absolved in public perception where most would assume, at least at various points during his post-Boston renaissance, he was using performance enhancing drugs. This will effect his Cooperstown candidacy, but should it?
Clemens was not a great pitcher. He was an all-time great pitcher, without performance enhancement. For simplicity’s sake we’ll use Baseball Reference’s “wins above replacement,” or WAR. An 8+ WAR season is an MVP-level year. A 5+ WAR season is all-star level. Here is Clemens’ career. For differentiation, we will give the post 1996 seasons under suspicion an asterisk.
MVP: 1986, 1987, 1990, 1992, 1997*
All-Star: 1988, 1989, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998*, 2001*, 2004*, 2005*
With the Red Sox, Clemens was rated either all-star or MVP level in 9/11 years from 1986 to 1996. He missed significant time with injuries the other two seasons. Distilling things down to a seven-year prime from 1986 to 1992, he finished either 1st or 2nd in the AL in WAR in five of seven seasons (also top five in 1994 and 1996). He averaged a 2.66 ERA (160 ERA+, had 1,673 strikeouts in 1,799 innings, had a 1.089 WHIP and averaged 257 innings per season. He won Cy Young Awards in 1986, 1987 and 1991. He was robbed in 1990 and had a very good case in 1992.
Clemens was the best pitcher and player in baseball in his prime. Had he retired after leaving the Red Sox in 1996 he was in the HOF. Had his career played out naturally, with a few more declining and injury-plagued years, he was still in the HOF. That didn’t happen. Like Barry Bonds, Clemens found the fountain of youth. He became a cancerous version of himself. He didn’t age. He recovered faster from season to season, start to start and pitch to pitch.
He became a better pitcher at 34 than he was at 24 and later replicated that dominance at age 42. Declining and struggling with injuries in his early 30s, he went on to pitch 11 more seasons and make at least 29 starts in every season where he was a full-time pitcher from Opening Day. Like Barry Bonds, this last part of his career is indelible but difficult to interpret.
Clemens did not cheat. To cheat, Clemens would have violated a rule. An inherent component to a rule is the ability to enforce it. Bud Selig made a lame proclamation about steroids. There was neither testing, enforcement nor punishment. Claiming that was a policy is as stupid as terming it the “so-called” Steroid Era in retrospect. It’s a perversion of reality. Clemens likely used PEDs in the same way previous generations used amphetamines. It was a level playing field, in that everyone had access to them.
His latter career inflates his career numbers. Viewed within their own context, however, Clemens’ numbers are not necessarily inflated. Hitters were using the same substances. Clemens didn’t have some super-awesome steroids. He was better. How that is valued is open to interpretation, but the interpretation has little to do with the man himself. It’s about how one views the baseball Hall of Fame.
Is Cooperstown a museum to highlight baseball achievement, or does it have some broader mandate to reward competitive virtue? That’s the fundamental question and the answer will determine whether Bonds, Clemens and others are elected.
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June 19th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Agree that Bonds should be a unanimous, first ballot HOFer.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Bonds and Clemens should both get in. Better not see Piazza, Pudge and a whole hell lot more juicers get in if Barry and Roger don’t get in.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Let em all in.
/Vlad, nice little contract for Helm
June 19th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
i don’t think clemens should be a HOFer. it’d be like giving the medal of honor to a blackwater contractor.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Bagwell, all of them should be in.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
If he retired at the end of ’96 he would have had fewer than 200 wins. Borderline candidate IMO. He had 192 wins and a 3.06 ERA, and had averaged 10 wins with a 3.77 ERA the previous 4 seasons. If his career continued on its trajectory at that point he probably would have won about 230 or so games and an ERA around 3.3 or 3.4. Maybe he gets in b/c of his very strong peak, but it wouldnt have been slam dunk (see Dale Murphy).
Ironically as much as he struggled his last 4 years in Boston, his ERA was considerably better than it was with the Yankees. As great as he was in Toronto in Houston, he was just kinda meh with the Yankees.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Just saw that. Was thinking more like a 1.8M cap hit. Oh well.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
He certainly doesn’t deserve to get in ahead of Jack Morris, that’s for sure. Ditto for Bonds over Dewey Evans.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
If Bonds and Clemens get in, then Rose should too.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
After what year would you say a steroid user “cheated”? In other words, when was there a valid “rule” in place, in your estimation?
June 19th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
if they let in the roid-kit can they kick out that compiler Blyleven?
June 19th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
For what it’s worth i’m OK with letting them all in, even the ones who got caught redhanded like Palmeiro and Manny. Those guys were punished according to the rules but they did not get lifetime bans. I think once this generation of sportswriters dies off I think we’ll start to look at things differently, and they may even need to bring in a special committee to look at some of these guys once they fall off the ballot. I’ve noticed a lot of the electronic media guys, particularly the ESPN guys tend to be pretty liberal about this, it’s old school newspaper guys (the Lupicas and Conlins) that are keeping them out.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
If Bonds and Clemens get in, then Rose should too.
No way. Rose’s actions directly impacted the outcome of games! He was betting on games when he was a fucking manager! How do you justify his actions?
June 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I wish the Indians would pick up Manny. Jose fucking Lopez batting 4th and playing DH sucks.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Put him in. There are certainly others before him that are in that were using substances but never caught. So, kinda what you said here:
The BBWAA will likely claim moral highground and keep him out though.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
nah, Rose ban needs to stay in full effect, if not for betting on baseball then for that horrible haircut.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
The 50 game penalties and so on were announced in November 2005.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
LOL. Yeah, Jack Morris would have the second highest ERA of any starter in the league. Sorry, one 10 inning win in the World Series does not make a HoFer. And Bonds = one of three best players of all time.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
I’m also of the opinion that Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame.
June 19th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
He was drunk?
June 19th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
They should be in the hall of fame…..after they die. Don’t let them have the satisfaction of getting in while they are still alive. Crass? Maybe.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Someone is arguing Jack Morris should be in the Hall of Fame? I’d vote for Clemens before I voted for Morris.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
All of these shitbags should be in. They were among the best players in the history of the game. Write “cheater” on their plaques if you have to, but they should be in there.
That said, HOFs are a fucking joke and no one should give a shit about them.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Just make sure Suzyn Waldman isn’t allowed anywhere near the podium when if he’s inducted. No doubt in my mind he’d go in with a Yankees cap, too.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Remembering his late 80s-early 90s run is to think back on a pitcher who was as dominant as one could be. Does the fact that he know looks like Brock Lesnar affect that? Somewhat.
I say let him in but put it in there that he was accussed of PED use. Period.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Pete questioned the integrity of baseball more than Roger or Barry ever did. Petey’s never getting into the hall and it should stay that way. Betting on baseball. biggest no no in the sport.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Yup, he wouldn’t want to associate with the Red Sox.
Clemens – Yanks
Pedro – Red Sox
Bonds – Giants
Sosa – Cubs
Piazza – Dodgers (if it were up to me)
Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz – Braves
Griffey & Randy Johnson – Mariners
June 19th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
I’m also of the opinion that Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame.
Me too — they should all be let in. It was part of the game and it should be documented.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Diasgree, he has to go in as a Met. The 9/11 year and getting to the WS.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Only one with an inkling of doubt. Won his title with the D’Backs and pitched a perfect game there. Mariners definitely recorded his best years though. Not sure how he felt when he left Seattle.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Don’t let them have the satisfaction of getting in while they are still alive. Crass? Maybe.
i like this. i was all set to say, put themn in with an asterisk, maybe a syringe on the bust, but this is better….they can’t cash in nor puff their chests
June 19th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
I am a small Hall guy. Almost ridiculously small. Still, I wanna’ see Roger in, Yankee cap and all.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
That said, HOFs are a fucking joke and no one should give a shit about them.
and this
June 19th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Just make sure Suzyn Waldman isn’t allowed anywhere near the podium when if he’s inducted.
she’d have an orgasm that would end sex
June 19th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
If you’re nitpicking statistics, Morris led the Majors in wins during the 80s (Dewey’s offensive statistics were much more impressive at the time of his retirement, before the PED era). Abstractly he was one of the greatest big game pitchers of all-time, while Dewey was the greatest defensive outfielder of his generation. Neither he nor Dewey reached the heights of Clemens/Bonds, but neither did they need PEDs to enhance/extend their long, consistently very good careers.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Like I said, if it were up to me, he’d go in as a Dodger.
SC – Randy would either be Mariners or D’Backs…I was leaning towards M’s, but you have some good points.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Petey’s never getting into the hall and it should stay that way. Betting on baseball. biggest no no in the sport.
fuck that. it’s a sport HOF, so all that should matter is what non-steroid users did while playing the game. this dude got more hits than anyone ever, may never be broken, like dimaggio’s hit streak, and thanks to PEDS, bonds’ single season hr record
always have been a rose-to-the-hof guy, because of his game, not his gambling as a manager
June 19th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Uh, if Roger gets in he’ll be sporting a B cap. Sorry fellas.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
So Jack Morris played on some pretty good teams is what you’re telling me. How does this help his individual Hall of Fame case?
June 19th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Dan Duquette going to do his induction speech too?
June 19th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Morris led the Majors in wins during the 80s
mark grace led the 90s in hits…is he in?
June 19th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
he should sport a “$” hat since that’s where his allegiance lies.
why should the game honor him when he considered himself better than the game? bonds was an egomaniac too, but he never asked for the mercenary contracts with the special clauses saying he didn’t even have to be with the team most days…im sure he would’ve but he didn’t.
clemens should have 1/5 a statue since he was part of the team only 1/5 the time for the last part of his career.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
it’d be like giving the medal of honor to a blackwater contractor.
Interesting take … I’m thinking about this …
June 19th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
And I immediately ignored your argument as soon as you mentioned pitcher wins. 3.80 career ERA, 105 ERA+, 1.29 WHIP, 5.9 K/9 for his career. He is way below baseline for a pitcher in the HOF. Only lead the AL once in K’s during his career.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
If Boggs had his way he would’ve worn a Rays hat into the HOF; if memory serves it was a handshake agreement he had with Tampa management (possibly even part of his final contract). Thank goodness MLB overrules the players in this (admittedly silly) matter.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
If he retired at the end of ’96 he would have had fewer than 200 wins. Borderline candidate IMO. He had 192 wins and a 3.06 ERA, and had averaged 10 wins with a 3.77 ERA the previous 4 seasons. If his career continued on its trajectory at that point he probably would have won about 230 or so games and an ERA around 3.3 or 3.4. Maybe he gets in b/c of his very strong peak, but it wouldnt have been slam dunk (see Dale Murphy).
Ironically as much as he struggled his last 4 years in Boston, his ERA was considerably better than it was with the Yankees. As great as he was in Toronto in Houston, he was just kinda meh with the Yankees.
Disagree strongly. Clemens was a slam dunk. How do feel about Pedro, by the way? I think he’s a slam dunk, and he basically had your hypothetical career for Clemens after age 34, and *only* 219 wins. He’s going in easily.
Getting 300 wins is a milestone type thing, but not getting there is not a disqualifier. The median win total for Hall of Fame Starters is 251 (Gibson), but several had fewer than 210, including other dominant guys like Koufax and Drysdale, as well as Bob Lemon, Dazzy Vance and Lefty Gomez.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Pete Rose is indeed a Hall of famer
June 19th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Wins argument for pitchers. Ugh.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Should have emphasized IF he gets in. I don’t want him in the HOF any more than you do.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Oh, and Jack Morris never won a Cy Young award during his career, only placing as high as 3rd in 81 & 83. But yeah, let’s put him in the Hall.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Because he should be in as a player, not a manager.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
The moralizing is a little ridiculous. No one complained when Boston got to pay Clemens $340,000 in 1986 when he won the Cy Young AND the MVP. They don’t complain when Boston only paid him $640,000 the next year when he won the Cy Young again. The teams that signed him to those contracts with those perks did so with their eyes wide open. They knew what they were getting and took it.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
He’d go in with a Red Sox cap, much to the chagrin of Red Sox fans. The HOF doesnt allow the players to choose anymore after Nolan Ryan chose the Rangers and Reggie Jackson chose the Yankees.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Clemens would be in with Boston.
Bonds would be a Pirate.
HOF voters will put Bonds in, saying his pre-roids career was enough to merit his induction. The bulk of his pre-roids career was as a Buc. HOF determines the hat on the plaque, not the inductee IIRC.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
no doubt and i know im being a butthurt little bitch over this. i just think clemens is a disgusting, DISGUSTING human being and frankly, the fact that teams DID sign him knowing all that makes me just as disgusted.
it’s the same thing with favre…i used to be a huge fan of his until he made himself bigger than the team he was on. it’s entirely moralizing on my part.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Non steroid HOF arguement:
Albert Belle.
Again, weigh your arguement irrespective or roids. If you’d like to make a steroids-balanced arguement as well, just note that.
/pulls up chair
June 19th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Thank goodness MLB overrules the players in this (admittedly silly) matter.
To be technical, isn’t the HOF ran by BBWAA and not MLB? Anybody?
June 19th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
I love Pete Rose as a player, but there is no way the Hall can respect itself if they let him in. Gambling almost killed the sport. It’s sad the old guys like Feller are all dying off, as there is only a small group of them who knew how this impacted the game earlier in the century.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
What’s with all the Jack Morris hate? I already implied that he doesn’t stack up with the GOAT pitchers (statistically). But when considering the if-I-had-to-win-one-game-which-guy-would-I-start hypothetical, there has to be a place for guys like Morris and Schilling.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Morris led the Majors in wins during the 80s
mark grace led the 90s in hits…is he in?
Only if we add a “Hall of Slumpbusters” for him.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
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Now that i look at it, i think i underestimated how good Clemens was from ’86-’92. Very close to Pedro and maybe better if you account for the volume of innings. Obviously Pedro is a slam dunk, I think he was the best 7-inning pitcher of all time.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Come on man, it’s 2012…aren’t we past this?
You take the pitcher with the “calm eyes” and nebulous “big game mettle” and I’ll take the better pitcher.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Schilling is a douche and a horrible businessman, but he was a way better than Jack Morris.
Jack Morris in the postseason – 92.1 IP, 7-4, 3.80 ERA
El Duque in the postseason 106 IP, 9-3, 2.55 ERA
June 19th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Schilling has borderline HoF credentials, including being co-WS MVP on the ’01 D’Backs. 3 2nd place Cy Young finishes, 2x KO leader of the NL, 127 ERA+, 8.3 K/9 and 4.33 K/BB career rates. Schilling has 76.9 bWAR vs. Morris 49 bWAR.
Morris couldn’t sniff Schlling’s jock.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Morris also pitched in the AL his entire career.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
If comparing postseason stats, wouldnt you have to evaluate only CS and WS since Morris didnt have Division Round.
June 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Does thedoctlc=Jon Heyman?
June 19th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
After what year would you say a steroid user “cheated”? In other words, when was there a valid “rule” in place, in your estimation?
Steroids became schedule 1 in the early 90′s. Same as coke and heroin.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
I love Pete Rose as a player, but there is no way the Hall can respect itself if they let him in. Gambling almost killed the sport
and gambling does not equal ped use because….?
June 19th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Gambling provides an incentive to lose. PEDs don’t.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Gambling provides an incentive to lose. PEDs don’t.
i thought it was an integrity issue
June 19th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Sure. The integrity of the game is in question if there is reason to believe a manager is trying to lose.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
and gambling does not equal ped use because….?
I’d be fine with the PED guys being out but I think it’s inevitable a few of them get in. Clemens and Bonds could technically get in as IMO they warranted induction before they roided out. This might be the case with Man-Ram as well. People could make arguements forever on this topic.
Mind you, I am not playing moral arbiter. I do feel roids was cheating and they are all stained.
But if I had a vote, with gun-to-my head:
No:
Sosa
Piazza
Bagwell
Walker
Palmiero
Man-Ram
In
Frank Thomas
Larkin
Biggio barely, probably amphetamine abuser
Toughest call IMO would be Biggio and Thome.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
C’mon, ol’ Pete bet on the Reds to win.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
If we’re at the point that writers in the past few years are debating points for allowing a Bert Blyleven into the Hall and keeping a Roger Clemens out, I think its time to place a 10 year moratorium on any votes for the Hall. That way maybe we can settle the emotions of the vigilante Revenge of the Nerd voting bloc that feels its their duty to enforce its own ban. Yeah, and get Pete Rose into the Hall too.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
darrell…i agree with everything you said, but clemens was suck a cockface, he deserves a lil revenge enacted on him.