Bill Snyder, Kansas State, and Winning Games While Getting Outgained
Will Harris of ESPN Insider wrote a piece evaluating the conference title odds in college football. The thing that caught my attention was his comments on the Big XII and Kansas State, who he tabbed as “true favorites” in the conference despite having the fifth best listed odds to win the Big XII.
Bill Snyder’s teams consistently excel at things that are usually (and often correctly) dismissed as signs of good fortune.
The Wildcats relied heavily on positive markers in areas like turnover margin, yards-per-point, third-down conversion rate and nonoffensive scoring en route to a 10-win season last year. The Cats’ long-term track record in these areas under Snyder suggests that winning a half-dozen games per year despite being outgained is a repeatable norm, not an outlier that’s a harbinger of an impending fall.
It was the last part that made my radar go up. I have watched a fair amount of Big XII football over the last 15 years, and I can say that the Kansas State team from last year was not like most, at least that was my perception. When I think of Bill Snyder’s teams at their best, sure, they are fundamentally sound, but they also tend to dominate teams. The current iteration of Wisconsin under Bret Bielema come to mind, often bludgeoning opponents utilizing a balanced offense and winning at the line of scrimmage.
But I wanted to go back and check. Is “winning a half-dozen games per year despite being outgained” a repeatable norm for a Bill Snyder team?
sports-reference.com/collegefootball has individual game stats going back to 2000, so we can look at Bill Snyder’s teams. In 2011, the Wildcats did win despite being out gained, winning a whopping 7 of their 9 FCS games despite the opponent gaining more yardage. They were also 8-1 in games decided by 8 points or less last year. They did it by forcing more (and more key) turnovers, special teams, red zone, and third down efficiency. They won several games with key fourth quarter plays.
You might be surprised, then, to learn that the Wildcats were 14-18 in “close” games under Snyder prior to last year, since 2000. Further, while they won seven games in which they were out gained last year, there were only ten other such wins in the previous decade under Snyder. 10 of their 54 FCS wins under Snyder from 2000 to 2010 came when they were out gained (19%) compared to 78% last year. They were also out gained by 90 yards in those wins last year, versus by about 60 yards when it happened the previous decade.
Bill Snyder is a legendary Hall of Fame coach. His teams play hard, sound football. They also don’t tend to get out gained while winning like they did last year. We’ll have our Top 25 rankings coming out in future weeks, and do have the Wildcats in there. I think they will improve, though the record may not if they are not 8-1 in close games. Collin Klein is a great dual threat quarterback, and if he improves his passing, the offense can be much better.
I just wouldn’t look for the Wildcats to continue winning like they did in 2011. Even for Bill Snyder, that was atypical.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Bill Snyder is a legendary Hall of Fame coach.
Link?
June 19th, 2012 at 5:47 PM
I don’t know how they made it to the Cotton Bowl, but Arkansas didn’t look particularly good on offense in that game, and I think their performance on defense that day is more of a testament to how bad Kansas State was offensively. But thanks for the bowl win.
June 19th, 2012 at 5:49 PM
you know what game Bill Snider and Kansas State didn’t win last year? the Cotton Bowl.
Woo Pig Sooie!
June 19th, 2012 at 5:51 PM
shit, take a look at KSU before he got there. calling them an afterthought would be the nicest thing anyone said about them. I don’t think they had ever even been to a bowl game before he got there, I could be wrong on that though. what he has done in Manhattan is nothing short of amazing.
June 19th, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Record is definitely not improving. Probably wining 8 games max.
June 19th, 2012 at 6:02 PM
I wish I could badmouth Snyder but the dude owns Texas. Respect.
June 19th, 2012 at 6:03 PM
yeah KSU was pure shit. like 1980′s Northwestern bad.
June 19th, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Legendary is a bit strong, like way the fuck too strong
June 19th, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Generally a Les Miles fan, but heard him on the radio earlier and guy was a total dbag. Still taking shots at that QB kid, talking all kinds of shit about how the SEC shouldnt and wont play good OOC games because conference play is just soooo hard, ripping other conferences, said SEC should just get 2 spots in this playoff every year.
June 19th, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Still can’t believe they lost that Big 12 title game to A&M. They were damn good that year with Michael Bishop at QB.
June 19th, 2012 at 7:11 PM
Generally a Les Miles fan, but heard him on the radio earlier and guy was a total dbag. Still taking shots at that QB kid, talking all kinds of shit about how the SEC shouldnt and wont play good OOC games because conference play is just soooo hard, ripping other conferences, said SEC should just get 2 spots in this playoff every year.
The thing that is most douchey is that all these guys flip recruits, he dit it with a Nebraska commit (I’m sure among others)last year just STFU and deal with it like everybody else
June 19th, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Bill Snyder is a legendary Hall of Fame coach.
Link?
I hope you are kidding, Ty. The dude is a legend.
June 19th, 2012 at 9:37 PM
Regression to the mean: A concept unknown to sports writers which ensures that statistical anomalies do not propagate such they become the norm. For example losing the yardage battle becoming a precursor to winning or outplaying your opponent in the NBA finals leading to losing the series.
OKC in 6
June 20th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Barry Switzer was once asked if Bill Snyder should be voted the “coach of the decade.” His response was, “He should be coach of the Century for what he has done at K-State.”