Where Do the Boston Celtics Go From Here?
Five years ago this month, the Celtics traded Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak and the No. 5 pick (Georgetown’s Jeff Green) for Seattle’s Ray Allen. Four weeks later, the Celtics made another blockbuster deal: They traded Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff and two draft picks to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett. Boston’s Big 3 was born.
Allen and Garnett joined Paul Pierce to form the league’s best trio. The result was the best 5-year stretch for the franchise since Larry Bird’s run in the 80′s:
2008: Won NBA Finals (4-3)
2009: Lost Eastern Conference Semfinals (4-3) *
2010: Lost in NBA Finals (4-3)
2011: Lost in Eastern Conference Semifinals (4-1)
2012: Lost in Eastern Conference Finals (4-3)
* Garnett was hurt and missed the postseason.
What now? Danny Ainge’s dismantling – would you prefer rebuilding? – of the Celtics figures to be one of the NBA’s biggest offseason stories (along with the ongoing Dwight Howard saga and perhaps the nuking of the Heat, if they lose to the Thunder).
Ray Allen’s contract is up. So is Kevin Garnett’s. Ditto for reserves Keyon Dooling, Mickael Pietrus and Marquis Daniels.
So do they build around one of the league’s best point guards, Rajon Rondo, and aging Paul Pierce (he’s coming off a postseason in which he struggled mightily from the field), plus emerging Avery Bradley and two 1st round picks, or do they attempt something more dramatic?
If you look back to the summer of 2007 trades, Boston had to give up a big piece (Jefferson, who is a pretty good power forward in Utah) to land KG, and a Top 5 draft pick for Ray Allen. The Celtics do not have a Top 5 pick this year (21st and 22nd), and only two “big” tradable pieces – Pierce and Rondo. Pierce seems unlikely to fetch much on the open market (he turns 35 in October and will be paid $16 and $15 million the next two years).
So does that mean giving up on Rondo, a player who Ainge has feuded with in the past? The problem is that at $36 million over the next three years, Rondo might have the best big contract in the league (Deron Williams and Chris Paul will sign significantly more lucrative contracts this summer and next, respectively.)
Just-tossing-them-out jumping off points:
* Paul Pierce for Rudy Gay? Why would Memphis trade a young athletic wing for a 35-year-old? Some Memphis fans think the franchise took a step back this year because Gay was healthy in the playoffs. Gay also has one more year on his contract than Pierce (at $19 million). Could a young team with potential use Pierce’s experience?
* Would the Magic bite on Pierce and two draft picks for Dwight Howard? (The Magic probably wouldn’t.)
* Rajon Rondo for LaMarcus Aldridge? This is not to say Aldridge is the next Garnett. But Aldridge is definitely a Top 5 power forward (other than Kevin Love, who is better? Blake Griffin? Gasol? Bosh?) in the NBA. He toils in the Northwest and the Blazers were terrible this season. If you subscribe to the theory Rondo was “made” by Pierce/KG/Allen (I don’t), then you’d be selling Rondo at his highest point.
For kicks, what the Celtics could look like if they traded Pierce and Rondo, but kept the draft picks:
PG – Kendall Marshall (21st)
SG – Avery Bradley
SF – Rudy Gay
PF – LaMarcus Aldridge
C – Spencer Hawes (FA?)

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June 11th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Who cares? Rebuild city. KG to the Spurs and Ray Allen to the cemetery.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
As a Celtics fan, I would like to see them build around Rondo.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Underachievers.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
I think they go back to being behind the Red Sox and Patriots. Danny Ainge has his work cut out for him. I’m more interested in where KG and Shuttlesworth end up next season. KG to Dallas with Williams would be fun. I just hope Ray doesn’t head to Miami.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
if this were linked in the roundup, it would read…
Are the Boston Celtics relocating? (thebiglead)
June 11th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Thank you for answering your own question with another question.
Dunno if Pierce would fit with Memphis, from a defensive intensity perspective.
I know Gay wouldn’t fit with Boston. If Garnett is still on the roster when Gay showed up, the “punch my teammate in the face during a game for lack of effort” countdown would start.
Any Celtics fans out there? You don’t want Rudy. And, I’m not even trying a reverse-psychology thing here.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
They haven’t been ahead of the Red Sox since the 80s, and the Pats since 1993.
/troll, troll, troll along, gently down the stream
June 11th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Is Rondo a max player? I know he’s signed thru 14/15 as of right now but I’m curious if he gets a max deal when that comes up or around there.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Brandon Knight, Ben Gordon and Austin Day for Rondo.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
I was being quite serious, St. Bear. The Red Sox haven’t made the playoffs in 3 years and the Celtics have been title contenders for five. The sports world may not revolve around the NBA, but I’m pretty sure the Celtics have had a bit of a resurgence in their home city since KG, Allen and Pierce were assembled.
June 11th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
far too subtle with this grenade, JMac
Lebron and Dwight to the Celtics with Rondo for the Next New Big 3, the world collapses in upon itself
June 11th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Absolutely. Things went from Red Sox = Pats >>>>>>>> Celtics >>>> Bruins to Red Sox = Pats >> Celtics >> Bruins.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Last June you would have thought Boston was HockeyTown, USA…
June 11th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Including Blake in this group is an insult to all the others.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
Why not see if the Heat are up for a Pierce-James swap while you’re at it?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
Pau Gasol for Rondo
June 11th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
Did you come up with this trade on your own? I don’t even think Tommy Heinsohn would think this is a reasonable trade.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
and you were driving the bandwagon against the Cancucks in the finals.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
I don’t think they’ve ever been ahead of the Red Sox in importance in New England. Maybe pre-1967?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Are the Boston Celtics relocating? (thebiglead)
Excellent use of Oprah there. That hasn’t been used in awhile it seems.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
1) That happens to every city that wins a championship.
2) Boston does have a strong hockey history. It’s not like Phoenix all of a sudden started going crazy for the sport.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
You cannot trade Rondo. And the Celts and Bruins split the loyalties in Boston. Everybody’s a Pats and Sox fan but there’s too much overlap btwn NHL and NBA to truly follow both teams (bandwagon jumpers don’t count).
June 11th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
fixed.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I just hope KG goes to a contender next year. I will be rooting for him no matter where he ends up. He may be my favorite Celtic since the Bird era.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Just-tossing-them-out jumping off points:
read:
Throw-a-bunch-of-shit-against-the-wall-and-see-if-any-sticks:
Rondo will be going nowhere.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
You can’t deny the fans abandoned the team for about a decade before the recent resurgence. Same thing happened in Chicago.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I did type ’67, but then changed it to the 80s. It’s debatable, but I went with the 80s because that’s when the Red Sox went clearly ahead for good.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
This team would be a 7th seed and 1st round exit in the East. Absolutely worst place you could be (right Knicks fans?)
June 11th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
NO ONE DENIES THIS!!!
/first time in the history of the internet this has been used appropriately
June 11th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
Spence, so you’re the fucker who signed me up for daily emails from Oprah.com when I mistakenly posted my email address here a while ago.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Rocket fans would disagree.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Yawn
June 11th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
im not…because i had the same done to me. mets.com too.
/glares at roman
June 11th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
This team would be a 7th seed and 1st round exit in the East. Absolutely worst place you could be (right Knicks fans?)
7th place is still a stretch with this starting 5 me thinks.
Consistent run for The Big Three, but I have to think when Ainge constructed it, he expected more than 1 title, right? I’d say the same for Riles and this current Heat team.
/team multiple titles for bought squads
/I Love L.A.!
June 11th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Here’s the thing about hockey – because it’s been relegated to 2nd tier sport status outside of Canada and Buffalo, it’s easy to ignore when your team sucks.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Joel Sherman reporting the Cubs won the Soler bidding.
/GIGGITY
June 11th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
/glares at roman
Oh, the dick on the nose guy. Gotcha.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Jmac is angling for a spot on the NBA Fixing/Rigging Committee.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
So apparently it won’t let me post any comment with a (dot)com in it.
/fuck random moderation
June 11th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
I don’t know which is worse.
/my original comment
June 11th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
spencer! http://www.insidescience.org/?q=content/every-black-hole-contains-new-universe/566
June 11th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Disagree. I think after they won the title in the 1st year they were playing with house money. Those guys have all been past their primes the last 5 years. And look at it this way – when they tanked in ’07 and still missed out on Durant, the fact that Ainge was able to pull that rabbit from his hat is pretty remarkable.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
BTW, The Bruins pulled a 4.7 rating on NESN this year, up about 50% over last year. Wonder if next year’s ratings will plummet to pre-Cup levels?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Goodness, michael ballack sucks mega balls on the euro 2012 tv set. Makes the nba countdown crew sound brilliant.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
“sources” will leak some speculation and bloggers will burn up the NBA trade machine. ultimately, Boston will make some moves based on satiating fans and meeting cap responsibilities, but none of us know what those moves may entail.
/truth
//much less interesting than throwing shit on a wall
June 11th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
miz…that’s an interesting theory. i hope im alive long enough to see the results of nasa sending something thru a black hole…well, if anything. it’d mindfuck everything we know to this point to find out that hypothesis is actually legit.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Agreed. Lima posed the underachieving question on Twitter, and I said that anytime you win a title, whatever you’ve done to get there is worth it. Championships are too few and far between to be taken for granted.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:26 PM
spencer! http://www.insidescience.org/?q=content/every-black-hole-contains-new-universe/566
I thought most cosmologists/astrophysicists were looking beyond the Big Bang Theory now. Isn’t Inflation Theory where it’s at now?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:26 PM
except for those god damned creationist hipsters.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
See I think you can say both: that the moves were worth it AND that they underachieved.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
KG will be back. Ray won’t. Jeff Green will be back. Rondo will be back. Pierce will be back. Celts will be a top 4-5 seed.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Pffft..how dare you bring common sense into a JMac post..
June 11th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
With the constant soccer posts on a daily basis. Has the match fixing scandal in Europe been talked about yet.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
The Celtics were built for the present and they went out and won the title their first year, and were an injury and one game away from possibly winning another. After that they did what everyone expected them to; they got old, yet still competed. There is no way anyone can look at them and say they underachieved.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Well said.
And as much as I can’t stand Garnett, I loved him in this series.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
The knicks would kill for that track record, amirite?
/mocks James Dolan
June 11th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
June 11th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
How can anyone suggest trading Rondo and still be allowed to comment on the NBA or even operate a motor vehicle?
The idea that if you don’t win a championship you just need to bring in new players who also didn’t win a championship just to switch things up is retarded. Most trade ideas you hear about are of this variety.
I like how after every Heat loss JMac has a new idea about blowing up the Heat … quick question: if these are such good strategies for the heat then why aren’t they also good ideas following a win?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
There YOU go man!!!
June 11th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Got em,
Thats what happens when knee-jerk reactions become the norm in media nowadays
June 11th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
There’s got to be a lot of better trade options for Celtics than just the ones listed above. What other players are on the block?
They should probably just let Ray walk, and resign KG. Unless they move Rondo, they’re not getting anything substantial, and trading Rondo is probably the worst move they could make. See what falls to them in the draft, maybe keep some of the other pieces that seemed to fit well (Pietrus) and try to make another run at it. Pierece was bad, but this season was also a bit unique in how condensed it was. Pending any other moves, the East is looking pretty weak (again) next year outside the Heat so why not take another shot at it with most of this crew?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Another way of looking at the Celtics run this year – they went 11-9 against the Hawks, Sixers, and Heat. They benefitted from injuries to Chicago and from Bosh missing the first 4 games of the ECF. They’re further away from another championship than their appearance in the ECF would indicate esp. as their stars get another year older. They might do well to build around Rondo and Bradley (who I like) and try to get some younger pieces instead of keeping KG until he hits 40.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Well McHale doesn’t have any HOFers on that Houston roster to gift them, so they’ll go back to drafting poorly and generally sucking.
LeBron ended the one title dynasty like he ended the Pistons.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
See I think you can say both: that the moves were worth it AND that they underachieved.
I agree with this. Yes, most other teams would cream themselves for one championship, but the Celts aren’t most other teams. As far as “they coulda’ won more if not for injuries…” such is professional sports. It’s part of the game unfortunately.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
As far as bad luck goes though, the C’s have had more than their share of it the last few decades. I defintiely think they may have had another banner or two hanging if not for the Bias and Lewis tragedies.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Well the way the NBA is, teams win multiple titles so often that the “one title” teams are marginalized by history to a degree. Last year’s Mavs for example.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
You do realize you just can’t show up at the farmer’s market and pick up some “younger pieces”? No one is trading anything of value to you for a KG or Pierce notwithstanding what JMac is trying to sell you on a Pierce for Rudy Gay swap. I would keep both since they’re worth more to me than they are to any other team.
Follow up questions
a) Did the Celtics benefit from said experience this season?
b) If it was so beneficial why wouldn’t they just keep it for themselves?
June 11th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Boston could just as easily say the Heat benefitted from the Celtics losing Avery Bradley before the series, and Jermaine O’Neal and Jeff Green well before that.
June 11th, 2012 at 2:59 PM
I love Rondo, but I’d dangle him (again) just to see what you could get.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Hell, even Chris Wilcox was playing well for the celtics before he had a heart procedure.. He was the one big guy who could run the fast break with Rondo
June 11th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
all the cool kids teabag each other.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Rondo is a transcendent player you’d have to get another equally game changing player in return and thats not LaMarcus Aldridge.
Just like you don’t engage in a threesome with 2 fives and claim you know what its like to bang a 10… you can’t dangle Rondo for a crop of pretty good talent.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
because it’s been relegated to 2nd tier sport status
Average NHL vs NBA attendance in markets with shared buildings:
Chicago 21,533 vs 22,161
Philly 20,433 vs 17,502
Toronto 19,506 vs 16,835
Washington 18,506 vs 16,728
NY 18,191 vs 19,763
LA 17,920 vs 19,219 (Clips), 18,997 (Lakers)
Boston 17,564 vs 18,624
Colorado 15,498 vs 17,029
NJ 15,296 vs 13,961
Some of the smaller variance due to arean configuration for each sport.
/probably as relevant as ratings
June 11th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Kind of boggles my mind that people think the Celtics underachieved. They likely make three straight Finals appearances if not for KG’s knee injury in 2009.
Getting Green and Wilcox back, plus Bradley could give them a lineup that is a lot more uptempo than what they currently have with Rondo running the show. They’re in transition but it’s not like the current roster needs to be blown up. They really need to scale back Pierce’s minutes, but I don’t think he’s done.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Got em looking – Ainge has dangled Rondo. multiple times. He seems to know what he’s doing, given the last 5 years.
Maybe you should apply for the NBA gm opening in Orlando? you attempt to speak so authoritatively on the subject, maybe they’ll hire you?
June 11th, 2012 at 3:18 PM
He didn’t pull the trigger, so I guess that shows he does know what he’s doing.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:18 PM
there was a Gasol for Rondo trade on the table at the deadline.. Lakers nixed it.. I don’t know if Ainge knows what he’s doing or not but I think we can all agree the Lakers saved him from making a very dumb move.
So at the very least we know Mr. Ainge is not all knowing all the time
JMac… lets say I called you up following the Heat Celtics game 2 and asked you about dangling Rondo what would your response or Ainge’s response be? OK so we can all agree that even dangling Rondo sometimes sounds like a dumb idea it just depends on what your last memories are.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
classic Jace.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
Very self-aware.
June 11th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Get Scalabrine back in the fold. Sign Andy Dalton to an NBA contract. Make it an all-ginger starting five. Put Michael Rappaport on the bench and hire Simmons as coach. Change the name to the Fuckin’ Irish.
I’d get behind this.
June 11th, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Knicks fan here. However, I guess I don’t understand all this rebuilding talk when it comes to the C’s. After all, they were one fucking game from the NBA Finals.
If I’m Danny, I would sign KG and Ray Allen each to two year deals. I would make Allen a backup to Avery Bradley. In addition, I would have someone on the bench that can lead the second unit in Allen. Also, if Jeff Green comes back healthy, that’s a another strong player in the rotation
As far as the draft, Danny could go a couple of ways. Either, he can stay where he is or try to move up. If he stays put, I feel another big man may be in order, say a Fab Melo, who won’t give you much offense , but is terrific defensively. For their second number one, it’s anyone’s guess.
However, to simply break this team up, to me, is unnecessarily taking two steps backward.
June 11th, 2012 at 8:17 PM
Where is the Loyalty? kevin and ray may be old, but KG can still drain the fadeaways and ray is still jesus shuttlesworth. Just be wise with your draft picks, D12, is a UFA next year, KG retires (if he doesn’t before this next season,)and there you go. D12 hates shaq, so why wouldn’t he want to play for the arch rival of lakers, boston? he has said he wants to, and he’d love to make a superteam with rondo. Those 2 together is easily the best PG, C matchup, and that’s a championship formula. pierce is still there too.