Projecting the 2012 Quarterbacks: Brees, Brady, and Peyton Manning
Last week, I started projections by trying to divine last year’s rookie crop who are projected to compete for a starting job this year. Today, I turn to three of the bigger names, all Super Bowl MVP’s, all in their thirties, who are among the game’s best.
First, a word on my projections. Some people asked about the games projections. I am not going to project anyone for 16 games. I am trying to project median numbers and any population of quarterbacks is going to miss games. Depending on their characteristics, that could be because of age, injury, lack of performance, or competition. I then take those league adjusted ratings and re-apply them to the 2011 offensive passing environment. All of these numbers reflect my median projection, and the hope is that about an even number go over the projection as under.
I set the number by trying to find some age/performance comparable players, use the “league-adjusted” ratings for those players, and then adjust off for the specific player, as well as accounting for things like this year’s roster and other factors. Eventually, these will form the basis of my fantasy quarterback rankings as I work toward projection every starter in the league.
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For Brady’s comparisons, I used a weighted three year average (with last year at age 34 weighted more heavily) for all quarterbacks at ages 32 to 34, with a career value from age 27 to 31 to also pick up those who were stars for longer, like Brady.
Age 35 was a dangerous time for elite quarterbacks. Peyton Manning last year, Montana replaced by Young in San Francisco, and Terry Bradshaw getting injured in his first game and retiring. Brady doesn’t have a Steve Young scheduled to replace him and has not undergone neck surgery, so I excluded the first two. I’m projecting him to start 14 games, which is still higher than the average for the other 8 comparables.
A lot of the elite quarterbacks at age 34 saw a drop off in yards per attempt and touchdown rate at age 35, while still posting excellent completion percentage, interception, and sack rates.
Brady’s most similar players, ages 32 to 34: Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Warren Moon, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Roger Staubach
Brady’s 2012 Projection:
14 Games Started, 337 of 518 (65.0%), 4,040 passing yards (7.8 YPA), 30 TD, 11 INT
27 Sacks Taken, 30 Rush Attempts, 50 Rushing Yards and 1 Touchdown
Brees’ most similar players, ages 32 to 34: Trent Green, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Jim Hart, Dan Fouts, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Jim Kelly, Terry Bradshaw
Brees’ 2012 Projection:
15 Games Started, 404 of 585 (69.0%), 4,855 passing yards (8.3 YPA), 37 TD, 13 INT
22 Sacks Taken, 20 Rush Attempts, 40 Rushing Yards and 1 Touchdown
What to do with Peyton Manning? For over a decade, he took every snap and played as well as any quarterback in history. Then, he had multiple neck surgeries, could not recover in time, and missed an entire season. He’s now with a new organization and mostly new teammates. Needless to say, it’s a situation with a lot of unpredictability.
I tried to look at quarterbacks who were Hall of Fame caliber for their careers and threw a qualifying number of passes at age 36, and then compared them to how they performed from age 32 to 34. Manning’s numbers are actually down in recent years as the offensive line declined and with injuries and age affecting the skill players in Indianapolis.
Age can be hard on any 36 year old quarterback, and so projecting Manning for 15 games would be fool hardy. His peers included some who missed games or declined entirely, and some who put up great seasons. The average result compared to where they were a few years earlier showed gentle declines across when they did play, the sharpest being in yards per attempt.
I’ll say Manning still has his stellar sack rate and release playing behind the line. I suspect his yards per attempt won’t take a dip because any dropoff in receiver experience will be offset by better protection. I’ll project his interceptions near league average, and his yards per attempt slightly above. The 12 games reflects the range of risk in coming back from injury, as the real result could be anywhere from a full recovery for this year to missing more games than that.
Manning’s most similar players: Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Ken Anderson, Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon
Manning’s 2012 Projection:
12 Games Started, 284 of 440 (64.5%), 3,210 passing yards (7.3 YPA), 21 TD, 13 INT
16 Sacks Taken, 12 Rush Attempts, 10 Rushing Yards and 0 Touchdowns
[all data via pro-football-reference.com, image via US Presswire]

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May 24th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
ahem? Eli?
May 24th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
ahem? Eli?
He’ll be in a future installment. Probably with Big Ben and either Rodgers or Rivers
May 24th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Jesus this looks like it took a lot of work. Good stuff. Can’t wait to see what you have for the rest of them specifically Roethlisberger.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
okay. i was just going based on the “in their 30s MVP” thingy.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Long as he checks it to pancakes at Arrowhead and I get to walk out of the stadium drunkenly tomahawk-chopping and OOOHHHH OHH OHH OHH OHHHing Chefs fans, it’s a win for Denver and America.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
He’ll be in a future installment. Probably with Big Ben and either Rodgers or Rivers
Slap in the face to Rodgers
May 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
I think Manning starts all 16 games. I’ll say 66 percent completions, 31 TD’s, 17 INT’s, about 4,300 yards. Then again, if those neck surgeries actually fixed those flutterball INT’s we saw from 2008 to 2010, I’d add a few TD’s and subtract four or five of the picks. Go Doncos! Super Broncos, Super Bowl!
May 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
You missed a qualifier…
/zing’d
May 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
right, that was describing the three as all being former MVP’s in their thirties, wasn’t meaning it to be exclusive, just descriptive.
I was original going to do every QB who won a Super Bowl, adding Eli and Ben and Rodgers, but these three took long enough and I figured it was better to split.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
I’d be ecstatic if I was a Broncos fan and got this. Means they are running the ball, too. nice balanced offense.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
15 Games Started, 404 of 585 (69.0%), 4,855 passing yards (8.3 YPA), 37 TD, 13 INT
MVP? With THOSE numbers? Pfft, whatever…
/not sure who I’m trying to mock
May 24th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
He means real MVP awards, Larry Brown.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Ahem, Alex Smith?
May 24th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
cool. this will be a fun feature. can we get a schedule? preferably on a spreadsheet for Miz.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Al Davis just got a posthumous boner.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
this is the year jeff george becomes elite…I CAN FEEL IT.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
I say about game 4 Peyton gets hit from behind and his head reacts like a Rock’em Sock’em Robots does on the KO shot…
May 24th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
I’m probably a moron, but wouldn’t it follow that if Brees and Brady were similar to Manning…Manning would be similar to Brady and Brees?
May 24th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
YOU LOSERS AND YOUR STATS I HAVE A STAT FOR YOU HERE IN ALEX SMITH’S SHORTS
Btw, Ballz, I’m probably late to this, but according to your e-mail account you have Become Boss? And then something something internet Viagra.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
I’m probably a moron, but wouldn’t it follow that if Brees and Brady were similar to Manning…Manning would be similar to Brady and Brees?
I don’t follow
May 24th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
People, his neck is actually MORE physically sound now than it was before. Whether his arm is the same is the question. But he’s not medically at any more risk of going Stephen Hawking now than he was before.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Man, that’s just MEAN. That’s MEAN, man.
/Payback’d
May 24th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
but these three took long enough and I figured it was better to split.
Fine by me. That’ll mean one extra post about sports and one less about who a middling baseball player is marrying.
/I’d click on both either way. I am whipped.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
On the Manning projection, if he approaches those numbers:
a) it would be an improvement over recent predecessors
b) it would be good enough to make the Broncos solid playoff contenders
c) it wouldn’t be good enough to eclipse Elway in the minds of local fans
d) it wouldn’t be good enough to alleviate all the angst Broncos fans have every year over the position
May 24th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
cool. this will be a fun feature. can we get a schedule? preferably on a spreadsheet for Miz.
I’m still working on exactly how to divide. I thought about a “everyone named Matt” one, but there are too many for one post.
I’ll do rookies probably last–Griffin, Luck, Weeden, Tannehill and Wilson.
Probably do the other young guys under 26 somewhere in the middle
Have to figure out how to group others. Target is 3-5 per post depending on how much I have to put into it. Think I have like 38 names, so about 8 to 9 posts total, one to two per week, prob on Thursday or Friday.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
People, his neck is actually MORE physically sound now than it was before. Whether his arm is the same is the question. But he’s not medically at any more risk of going Stephen Hawking now than he was before.
I hear ya, I just really like Rock’em Sock’em Robots
May 24th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
who you calling people? person.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
posthumous boner.
think i just found my 2012 FF name.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Manning’s comps were guys who threw passes at age 36 (based on their age 32 to 34 stats)…Brees and Brady are not yet 36.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
I’m probably a moron, but wouldn’t it follow that if Brees and Brady were similar to Manning…Manning would be similar to Brady and Brees?
Manning’s older, so I’m looking at comps through the same age. I can’t use Brees or Brady as a comp for Manning since they aren’t 35 yet.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
I’ll do rookies probably last–Griffin, Luck, Weeden, Tannehill and Wilson.
Weeden qualified for this post until you added the MVP stuff
May 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Under the similar players list. Nevermind, they hadn’t reached the requisite age as explained under the Manning paragraph. That’s what I get for skimming.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
I would assume baby hands QB have their own category?
May 24th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Ehhh…I dunno. It’s a QB hothouse for sure, but this isn’t exactly Brian Griese we’re talking about, here.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
What a reference.
May 24th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
That was directed at Michael Wilbon, actually. They were discussing it with some expert on PTI one day and the guy said Manning’s neck was medically fine and Wilbon said, “Yeah…..but four neck surgeries”
May 24th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
That photo, still funny
“Dorks, they look like a couple of dorks”
May 24th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
I’m probably a moron, but
Don’t sell yourself short, Badger. You’re a tremendous moron.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
That’s Michael Wilbon PhD MD DDS Esq FBI to you, fucko.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Don’t sell yourself short, Badger. You’re a tremendous moron.
My Dad never liked you
May 24th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
I try my hardest.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
I found it interesting/weird that Terry Bradshaw was a comp for all 3, even though everyone “knows” he sucked. Any thoughts on this, Lisk?
May 24th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Btw, Ballz, I’m probably late to this, but according to your e-mail account you have Become Boss? And then something something internet Viagra.
Yea, I heard. Is it hotmail? And how would I fix it?
May 24th, 2012 at 5:10 PM
Brees and Brady are not yet 36.
Age IS a stat.
/For Dirt
//Assuming Dirt still reads and might comment if he’s drawn into it
May 24th, 2012 at 5:17 PM
well, good to hear that their shitty NBA analyst is also an orthopedic surgeon in his spare time.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
I found it interesting/weird that Terry Bradshaw was a comp for all 3, even though everyone “knows” he sucked. Any thoughts on this, Lisk?
a) Bradshaw is a legit Hall of Famer. Not one of the 10 best, but one of the Top 20-25 QB’s since 1970
b) Bradshaw, unlike guys like Aikman, peaked later so during the period I’m measuring he was at his best (early to mid-thirties) as a passer;
c) there aren’t many quarterbacks who were consistently great from age 30 to 34 like Manning, Brees, and Brady have been
May 24th, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Just let me know when you do the rookie Pro Bowlers.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:24 PM
Looking forward to the one on Jay Cutler. Curious to see who you group him with. Gotta be hard to forecast with a new cast of targets to throw to.
Hopefully Peyton has a better season than retarded little brother.
May 24th, 2012 at 5:25 PM
Lisktastic
May 24th, 2012 at 5:27 PM
“Curious to see who you group him with.”
Who are the other diabetic douchebags?
May 24th, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Adam Morrison?
May 24th, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Well I’m no computer wrangler but changing your password is probably a start. Also: stop using hotmail because it’s not 1998 anymore.
May 24th, 2012 at 6:47 PM
What email program would you recommend I use? I’ve had hotmail for ever.
May 24th, 2012 at 6:53 PM
I like Gmail. I have been using it for years without issue.
May 24th, 2012 at 7:05 PM
Yeah, I just use gmail, very solid delivery of my daily spam and Twitter alerts.