Uh Oh! Stephen Ross Already Saying He Expects Journeyman Matt Moore to Start Over Ryan Tannehill Is a Bad Sign
Stephen Ross, in an interview with Jeff Darlington of nfl.com, came out this week and said that the team was not going to rush Ryan Tannehill, and that he expected Matt Moore to be the starter for the opening game.
“I don’t think they’re going to rush (Ryan Tannehill) into anything,” Ross said. “He’s going to have to win the starting job. I think Matt Moore will probably be the starter, and I wish him the best.”
You might recall that before the draft, the rumors were that Stephen Ross was pushing the organization to take Ryan Tannehill with the 8th overall pick. A month later, after Tannehill has been in the organization and has participated in rookie mini-camp, Ross is now making reference that he just wants a franchise quarterback, and it could be Matt Moore.
“Whenever (Tannehill) is ready,” Ross said. “And if Matt Moore develops, so be it. We want a franchise quarterback.”
Not good. I know there can be lots of idle chatter, but why is the owner declaring that a career journeyman is probably going to be the starter right now? I am agnostic when it comes to sitting quarterbacks versus playing highly drafted quarterbacks. I’m not sure that either situation inherently favors a young quarterback, as they can gain experience learning the playbook in practice, and can hit the ground running later, or learn on the job. The only downside to starting early is the injury risk. It’s much safer holding a clipboard.
However, I do think that a young quarterback should play if they are the best option. If teams have the luxury of a good veteran quarterback, they can let the pupil learn for a season or more.
I went through all quarterbacks drafted in the first 20 picks from 1988 to 2007. Of that group, only 8 of the 33 started on opening day of their rookie year. Thus, most rookies didn’t start the season as the starter, and that fact alone should not be concerning.
It becomes concerning, though, when you differentiate between who those rookies sat behind. Before we get to the numbers, just think about it this way. If a rookie starts in week one over a career backup, that doesn’t tell us much other than the organization thought they were better than a career backup. They could themselves be basically a career backup, or an elite quarterback, or anywhere in between.
Conversely, knowing that a young player sits behind an established veteran starter merely means they, at a young age, are not viewed as the better option compared to the quality veteran. The outcome could still be a good player who becomes great in their prime, to a career backup.
Then there is the young rookie who does not start over the career backup or journeyman.
I divided the Top 20 picks by whether they started on opening day, sat behind a career backup or journeyman, or sat behind a quality long term starter. Career backups or journeymen are those that had one or fewer above average passing seasons (by Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt) on the minimum qualifying attempts. Quality starters all had 3 or more such seasons in their careers.
Here’s the breakdown of how many games the Top 20 rookies ended up starting in years 2 to 5, and their average passing performance (by ANYA+):
To put those ANYA+ numbers in perspective, those that sat behind quality long term starters played like Jay Cutler over the last five years on average, in years 2 through 5 of their careers. The “opening day starters” varied from Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman to Ryan Leaf and David Carr, but played like Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel on average. Those that sat behind journeymen? Their average performance in years 2 to 5 was more like Derek Anderson or Chad Henne.
Here were the list of Top 20 picks who did not start on opening day of their rookie year, behind a player who I classified as a journeyman.
- JaMarcus Russell (Josh McCown)
- Alex Smith (Tim Rattay)
- Ben Roethlisberger (Tommy Maddox)
- Joey Harrington (Mike McMahon)
- Tim Couch (Ty Detmer)
- Donovan McNabb (Doug Pederson)
- Cade McNown (Shane Matthews)
- Kerry Collins (Frank Reich)
- Heath Shuler (John Friesz)
- Trent Dilfer (Craig Erickson)
- Andre Ware (Rodney Peete)
That group of 11 includes Roethlisberger and McNabb. Then comes Kerry Collins. After that, Alex Smith and Trent Dilfer were “above average” for the group.
Right now, Matt Moore has zero above average seasons while throwing at least 224 passes. Maybe he’s another Drew Brees, and turns into a great starter. If he’s just a journeyman, though, it’s not a good sign that the owner is already saying a month after drafting a quarterback with the eighth overall pick that he is likely going to start.
[photo via US Presswire]
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May 22nd, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Stephen Ross did not earn his billions doing public relations.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Meh, just lowering expectations. I thought this was a TBL joint in the beginning. Surprised Lisk made such a big deal of this.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:11 PM
“Surprised Lisk made such a big deal of this”
My thoughts exactly. Tannehill has always been billed as project who lacks experience and needs time. Matt Moore isn’t terrible and the story all along is that Tannehill would benefit from sitting and waiting/learning rather than being thrown into the fire and having his confidence shattered a la Blaine Gabbert. I would look at this as encouraging news for Tannehill and Miami
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:12 PM
I think about everyone knows Tannehill was a reach, it’s hilarious that Miami is figuring that out now, a month after they drafted him.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:14 PM
OT – Fellow barefoot runners, The White Horse is no longer. Sad, yet fitting ending I suppose.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/sports/caballo-blancos-last-run-the-micah-true-story.html
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Well, not much really going on right now. But I’m interested in knowing if the Dolphins made any season ticket solicitations with Tannehill as the face of the email/mailing.
Do they have the smallest season ticket base in the NFL? It’s gotta be close.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Matt Moore is the 2nd best QB in the AFC East…can’t fault the owner for wanting to get him some snaps.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Where did you rank Stephen Ross in your owners list? Because I think it might have been too high.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Surprised Lisk made such a big deal of this.
me too. How dare that guy point out that guys that don’t beat out journeymen right away tend to be worse than average quarterbacks taken in the same range.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Mike McMahon. Yikes. We should have known immediately about Joey.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:19 PM
The very first of Andy Reid’s many puzzling decisions over the years…
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:21 PM
This guy gets it.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:21 PM
hasn’t even played a snap and already a bust. At least he gets to go home to that wifey every night.
Legend.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Ha. You know Andy must have loved Doug from Green Bay. The guy always has a plan, anyway (at least until kickoff).
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:24 PM
Blasphemy. This one needs an asterisk…engineer a comeback from 32 down in a playoff game, you’re a legend.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:25 PM
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:25 PM
Damn quote fail.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:25 PM
..and my next door my neighbor when I was young. He hurt many of my fingers when I tried to play catch with him back in the day.
/humblebrag
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Frank Reich
Blasphemy. This one needs an asterisk…engineer a comeback from 32 down in a playoff game, you’re a legend.
Don Beebe stepped out of bounds!
/and he wore a stupid helmet
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Moore is not as bad as some would think either:
For the rest of the season, you wouldn’t confuse Moore with an elite quarterback, but he was consistently playing above average football with a positive PFF rating in 10 of 13 games. He had an Accuracy Percentage of 66.2% when under pressure; bested only by Eli Manning and Drew Brees. He was also the AFC’s most accurate passer on deep throws with 47.5% of his attempts hitting the target.
Everyone wants an elite quarterback, but having an above average starter is a lot better than the alternative. Over the second half of the season, Moore became that guy.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Thanks again for Brandon Marshall.
/Bear fans everywhere
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:33 PM
Haha, I say the same thing about Jerry Rice fumbling the ball.
I had forgotten that Thurman was injured for that comeback too…Reich, Andre Reed, Metzelaars, and Don Beebe doing work.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:34 PM
The zip on passes thrown by pro qbs is frightening…scott linehan for me
/may not qualify as pro
//so no humblebrag
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Kinda hard to judge top 10 drafted QBs right now in this new era of the draft. I think we need a larger sample size now that you can draft a project at #8 and not invest $35MM doing so.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:39 PM
An important point.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:41 PM
I had forgotten that Thurman was injured for that comeback too…Reich, Andre Reed, Metzelaars, and Don Beebe doing work.
And stepping out of bounds before catching long TD passes.
/still not over it
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Lisk, next time you think about writing something just remember that no matter how well-written it is, we’ve already figured it out.
I don’t really think this is common sense though, and I’m not sure if I’m trying to make a point here or not. But take someone like Philip Rivers. Drew Brees was bad enough his first two years to justify taking Rivers* high in the first round. At that point it looked like Brees would be a journeyman-type, but Rivers didn’t beat him out (and of course Brees was a lot better that first year with Rivers on the bench).
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Hey, in my mind, you’ve got a free pass to write about whatever you want (that sounds more egotistical then it’s menat). Your work is solid and always thought provoking. Just seemed a little knee jerk to me, and that hasn’t typically been your m.o. No offense.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Weird, when I saw the headline I thought Kitna/Carson Palmer. How isn’t Kitna a journeyman?
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:48 PM
*meant. Jesus this benadryl isn’t helping my typing skills.
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:50 PM
I assume Kitna had more than one such season
May 22nd, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Well done Lisker
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Career backups or journeymen are those that had one or fewer above average passing seasons (by Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt) on the minimum qualifying attempts.
I assume Kitna had more than one such season
Of Lisk’s list, I’d have guessed at least Maddox met that criteria. maybe Detmer, Reich and Peete
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:03 PM
I would have thought Maddox too. Still Kitna is clearly better than all those guys, I think, although I agree it’s strange to not count him as a journeyman considering his career.
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:05 PM
Of Lisk’s list, I’d have guessed at least Maddox met that criteria. maybe Detmer, Reich and Peete
Kitna had 4 total above average seasons. His first was in 1999. He was definitely up and down, but the group I labeled as journeymen had one or fewer.
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Kinda hard to judge top 10 drafted QBs right now in this new era of the draft. I think we need a larger sample size now that you can draft a project at #8 and not invest $35MM doing so.
The value of those picks is still lost if you draft a bust versus take another position that provides a pro bowl caliber player. But if you are saying that Tannehill is less likely to be successful than previous top 10 picks because he was drafted earlier because he was cheaper, then so be it.
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:09 PM
In other words, all top ten picks have increased surplus value, but drafting the wrong one is still costly. The cost is missing out on a good player.
May 22nd, 2012 at 6:26 PM
My junior year (I think) in HS, we played Hart HS in a passing league tournament. Moore was their QB and had a scholly to UCLA locked up already. Needless to say they crushed us. We were a small school and more run oriented, and clearly outclassed.
May 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 PM
You won’t be singing that tune around middle of 2012 season. I expect the Diva to return to form with Cutler when he’s not getting his fair share of touches with Johnny Knox, and a mix of Bennett and Hester.
/inevitable dumpster fire
May 22nd, 2012 at 8:51 PM
Stephen Ross is a dope. I sort of feel bad for Dolphins’ fans…..
…until Buffalo kicks their ass
May 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I think the absolute best-case scenario for Ryan Tannehill is a Roethlisberger-type of impact, you could take some comfort in them both being on the list. I do think this post is treading very close to an alarmist, Pre-preseason Super Bust Alert! kind of tone (and I say this as somebody who hasn’t even given up on Blaine Gabbert yet) because I don’t think the owner is going to be the one ultimately making the call on this and he’s kind of a loud-mouthed lout in the first place.
May 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 PM
fuck stephen ross.