KC Joyner Says Tony Romo Is a Top 5 Quarterback
KC Joyner, writing for ESPN Insider, says that Tony Romo is a Top 5 Quarterback. That term, “Top 5″ automatically gets people riled up. We’ll go through it in a second. First, Joyner’s rationale is based on several factors. One is what he calls “superior route depth metrics” which basically means that Romo did well on throws once we account for the types of throws. He is particularly good at deep throws and those that stretch the field.
In addition, Joyner points to Romo having what he calls a low bad decision rate (BDR), at only 1.8%. Last year, Romo did finish tied for 4th in interception rate, behind only Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, and Sam Bradford (and even with Brady). Romo’s bad decisions were very noticeable and high profile, including an interception at the end of the Jets game in a tie contest, and two interceptions that were returned for touchdown against Detroit that fueled a large comeback.
Joyner also cites Romo’s 4th place rank in ESPN’s QBR. By almost any measure, Romo was near the top five, for last season. He was 4th in passer rating (so that QBR rating isn’t vastly different), he was 5th in yards per attempt, he was 5th in touchdown rate, he was tied for 4th with Eli in adjusted net yards per attempt.
There were a clear big three last year–Rodgers, Brady and Brees. The debate starts after that, and critics will always point to Romo’s record (the Cowboys were 8-8 last year) and lack of playoff wins. He impressed me last year with his toughness, as the line struggled at times in 2011. It’s also true that relative to other quarterbacks, he’s got it pretty good: Witten is a top tight end, the combination of Dez Bryant and Miles Austin, when healthy, is an above average combo (they weren’t always healthy last year and Romo still played well).
So, if we mean Top 5, as somewhere within the Top 5, then maybe. Most people would put Eli Manning right now ahead of him. Manning came on with his best season last year and continued to elevate his play, and is a year younger. Their regular seasons were pretty similar until the end, and then Manning took a team to a title. I think we have to put him ahead on the list.
His brother, Peyton is the X-factor. Is he healthy? If Manning plays like himself from 2009 and 2010, he is top 5, and there are no more spots. Will Big Ben be healthy? Roethlisberger played dinged up last year, and it affected his numbers. He can be considered right at the cusp of the top 5 as well. Then you have others like Rivers and Schaub and Vick.
Romo is right around the Top 8. I think he gets too much blame. The problem is, at age 32, he really needs to have one of those seasons that change minds now. I ran the most similar seasons at age 30-32 to what Romo did last year, after league adjustments. (and this is something I’m planning on doing for all QB’s throughout the offseason as I set my projections). #1 was Matt Hasselbeck in 2005, followed by Theisman in 1979. Romo just turned 32, and a fair amount of his comps did miss games or slide down a bit the next year. Those bad decision rates tend to regress, and the interception rates for his comps were league average a year later.
It’s very possible that Romo was much better than people think last year, but key plays swung his season. Going forward, though, with young players like Cam Newton and Matt Stafford looking to build off great seasons at age 23 or less, Rodgers, Brees and Brady still dealing, Eli appearing to be at his peak, Rivers looking to rebound (and a year younger), Peyton returning, etc., that Romo projects at more the 7 to 10 range in 2012. However, if the defense plays better and the offensive line play rebounds, the perception of Romo may be the thing that improves.
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May 15th, 2012 at 5:28 PM
I’m not sure Romo is even one of Jessica Simpson’s top 5 quarterbacks.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Arbitrarily ranking QBs just seems so overdone. I’ve come around to changing the argument to “can we win a Super Bowl with this quarterback?”
For example, can the Ravens win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco?
Can the Cowboys win a Super Bowl with Tony Romo? I say yes.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:34 PM
Old, headcase, lazy. Romo was a miracle worker last year, considering all the injuries the Cowboys suffered. Agree that he’s top 5.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:36 PM
Me too.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
I am not necessarily disagreeing, but you’d think with all his numbers and production, he’d have more than 1 playoff win by 32. I am not in the “RINNNNGGZ” crowd, but I still need to see some results before I would feel comfortable and trust Romo QBing my team to a SB.
2000 Ravens? Maybe. Otherwise no.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
KC Joyner is Clayton Cargill?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
This seems even more arbitrary than rankings.
Can you win a Super Bowl if the other 52 players on the team are good enough to carry a mediocre QB? Seems like a great system.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
I’m not sure Romo is even one of Jessica Simpson’s top 5 quarterbacks.
My sister in law, who named her son Maxwell last year, was very pissed at Jessica Simpson for naming her daughter Maxwell Drew. My response: “Don’t get upset about things that stupid people do”
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Rivers is clearly better than Romo.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:39 PM
This is about as objective as it gets.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Football outsiders has Rivers as significantly better 3 out of the last 4 years.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Meant to add I agree Romo is in the 8-12 range.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
This could explain the new found time he had to write this article.
/Waves at a lurking Dirt
May 15th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
My sister in law, who named her son Maxwell last year, was very pissed at Jessica Simpson for naming her daughter Maxwell Drew. My response: “Don’t get upset about things that stupid people do”
Nice backhanded comment.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Team sport is played by team players. So much has to go right in football for a team to win and all the players contribute to that end. It’s less so in basketball and baseball.
Basically, I just hate the arbitrary Top 5 or 10 rankings. It’s been done to death on this website and a great many others for what seems like forever.
Football is the sport where I care least about individual performance. Probably because I don’t care to do the work to individual impact, it’s not as discoverable. It’s more apparent in baseball from my point of view. Football’s numbers are much more difficult to decipher and I feel like there are so many ways a person or group of people evaluate a player.
This conversation will probably lead no where so I’ll just leave it at that.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:46 PM
KC Joyner is right, and the proof is in the pudding from his 2011 campaign. Romo was phenomenal all year and kept that Cowboys turd from going 3-13.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Good talk, son.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:48 PM
I almost beat a man to death on the golf course last weekend for suggesting that Kyle Orton start in front of Romo in 2012.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:49 PM
SC: I would change your question to “Would I feel comfortable with [QB] in a big spot in the playoffs?”
I do not know if Romo will come through or have a back breaking turnover. I do know that I would not trust him, feeling very uncomfortable if I had to root for him.
Some QB have already performed well in these spots (Eli, Brady, Ben, etc..), but that doesn’t mean they are guaranteed to come through. It does make me more confident that they will.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:50 PM
My sister in law, who named her son Maxwell last year, was very pissed at Jessica Simpson for naming her daughter Maxwell Drew. My response: “Don’t get upset about things that stupid people do”
You think that is bad? We named our kid Mason six years ago when he was born. We specifically eliminated any names in the Top 25 on the SSN name index. The name was at 52 or somewhere around there. It is now #2 because of a bunch of dumb bitches trying to emulate that Kardashian waste of oxygen because she named her kid Mason. I really hope all those Kardashians die of extreme syphyllis soon. And I’m not mad because the two kids share a name, but because my name is so common I wanted my kid to have a sort of unique but not crazy name. It kind of sucked always having three or four other kids in class or at work with my name.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:50 PM
I find vanilla pudding to be the most objective pudding to find my proof.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:51 PM
I almost beat a man to death on the golf course last weekend for suggesting that Kyle Orton start in front of Romo in 2012.
So, you are the one that put a golf club over that boxer and left the gashiest gash or all gashes on his head?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:51 PM
It kind of sucked always having three or four other kids in class or at work with my name.
Eh, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
/has a unique middle and last name
May 15th, 2012 at 5:52 PM
I leave petty disputes such as that for the highway in rush hour traffic.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:54 PM
Actually my middle name isn’t that unique–two presidents have had it as well–but in combination with my last name, and considering that I go by my middle name, it is.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:54 PM
Nobody knows when Romo’s OL or knucklehead WRs will hang him out to dry. I’m only confident that those things will happen and he’ll be blamed by obtuse folks.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Walker621?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Walker621?
Will neither confirm nor deny. There’s like three people here who could humanize me, but they haven’t.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:59 PM
easy to criticize these throws in a vacuum
May 15th, 2012 at 5:59 PM
You think that is bad? We named our kid Mason six years ago when he was born. We specifically eliminated any names in the Top 25 on the SSN name index. The name was at 52 or somewhere around there. It is now #2 because of a bunch of dumb bitches trying to emulate that Kardashian waste of oxygen because she named her kid Mason. I really hope all those Kardashians die of extreme syphyllis soon. And I’m not mad because the two kids share a name, but because my name is so common I wanted my kid to have a sort of unique but not crazy name. It kind of sucked always having three or four other kids in class or at work with my name.
Did someone famous name a kid Harper recently?
Just checked the site and my daughter’s name has gone 296th to 54th in four years, with a big jump last year.
You have to go outside the top 200 then. Did you look at Mason 10 year trends?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:00 PM
With the way Cowboy fanboys UM and Clown defend Romo while simultaneously thowing his team mates under the bus, you’d think he had actually taken them to the SB or something. The years of Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson taking snaps must have been scarring.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:01 PM
I’m just waiting for Jose Ovechkin to come on here and say he’d take Dalton over Romo.
/cocaine is a helluva drug
May 15th, 2012 at 6:02 PM
easy to criticize these throws in a vacuum
You would think it is, but as a vacuum contains on air, there’s nothing to carry the sound of my voice. So actually it’s impossible.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:02 PM
You have to go outside the top 200 then. Did you look at Mason 10 year trends?
I’ll have to go back and look. It was trending upward, but more like 2 – 5 spots a year. Slow enough that a generation would pass if it kept pace. To go from the 50s to #2 in five years was not expected by me. I didn’t even know any other Mason’s at the time other than Mason Crosby the kicker.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:03 PM
“No air”.
I really need to proofread before hitting submit.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:04 PM
You guys put way to much thought in naming your kids. My wife and just went with names A) we liked B) were not different for the sake of being different C) Could not be easily made fun of by kids and D) First and middle names flowed nicely with my obscure last name.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:05 PM
My wife has already vetoed my #1 choice for a son. My grandfather, father, and brother are all named John. I like it, it’s a masculine name, not overly complicated. And my brother isn’t having kids anytime soon (not on purpose anyway), so that’s the name I wanted. My wife vetoed it in one sentence “It’s boring and my family would just call him ‘Juan’”.
I was rather deflated.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:07 PM
You guys put way to much thought in naming your kids. My wife and just went with names A) we liked B) were not different for the sake of being different C) Could not be easily made fun of by kids and D) First and middle names flowed nicely with my obscure last name.
The key is pretending to have all sorts of rationale for the wife, supported with data showing that it isn’t too popular yet, and that it has some flow.
My sons are named after an obscure Star Wars character and a whiskey. All the rest was just rationalization for the wife.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:09 PM
And that’s the problem with marrying into a Mexican clan.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Bid Fortuna! Old Grandad! obey your mother!
May 15th, 2012 at 6:10 PM
My sons are named after an obscure Star Wars character and a whiskey.
Did you avail yourself of this tumblr page when looking for the obscure Star Wars character: http://fyeahobscurestarwarscharacters.tumblr.com/
There is officially a tumblr page for everything.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:10 PM
ms: We named one of our sons Joshua, but my wife’s (Guatemalan) family says it Ya-shoe-ah. I think its funny, so we call him ya-she, which is slowly morphing into Yoshii with the recent introduction of Wii Super Mario Brothers into our household.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:11 PM
And that’s the problem with marrying into a Mexican clan.
Indeed. I’m still going to try to sneak it on the birth certificate. Although with my luck we’ll have daughters.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Valid point.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:12 PM
ms: We named one of our sons Joshua, but my wife’s (Guatemalan) family says it Ya-shoe-ah. I think its funny, so we call him ya-she, which is slowly morphing into Yoshii with the recent introduction of Wii Super Mario Brothers into our household.
I’d like to think I could roll with her family calling him “Juan” but truth be told I don’t think I’d care for it and my wife, knowing that, used it against me to argue against the name. She’s quite crafty.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:13 PM
My wife has already vetoed my #1 choice for a son. My grandfather, father, and brother are all named John. I like it, it’s a masculine name, not overly complicated. And my brother isn’t having kids anytime soon (not on purpose anyway), so that’s the name I wanted. My wife vetoed it in one sentence “It’s boring and my family would just call him ‘Juan’”.
I guarantee he would be the only kid named John on his sports teams. You get traditional and unique.
Here, by the way, are the other names on my daughter’s softball team:
Brooklyn
Jaden
Lacey
Sydney
Lena
Jordis
Emerson
Mackenzie
May 15th, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Baby girl coming in October…we are still early in the naming process, but I write everything down (including one from this list).
May 15th, 2012 at 6:16 PM
I guarantee he would be the only kid named John on his sports teams. You get traditional and unique.
I will use this argument. It will work too. My wife teaches 3rd grade. These are some of the names she’s had in her class the last two years:
Kayla (too many to count)
Jude
Kingdom
Zion
Precious
Zachary
Malik
Crystal
There’s some other choice ones as well, but I can’t recall them at the moment.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Jacob was just announced as the #1 name for 13 years in a row. People are sheep.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:19 PM
Parents trying too hard IMO.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
I suggested Joffrey to my wife and got quite the glare.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Women watch too much fucking Twilight, too.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
The middle names should be wait for it.
/HIMYM
May 15th, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Parents trying too hard IMO.
It bears mentioning that the school she teaches at is like 80% black students.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Had to look it up, but My kids Names were ranked 12th, 4th and 14th the years they were born. Evidently, I am a conformist or something.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:25 PM
We went with Harrison. Traditional enough for people to be familiar with it, unique enough so he should be the only Harrison in his class.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:27 PM
For the year I was born, my first name was the 3rd most popular, but my middle name was like 993rd. My parents like balance apparently.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:30 PM
First name is 20th, but Middle is number 1, though it was after my grandpa’s name, so I don’t think it means anything.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:32 PM
Gamaliel?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:34 PM
I remember Spencer saying his parents almost called him Zeus. Zeus Dick would have been funny.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:41 PM
went with Chloe for my daughter
/Mother Love Bone
May 15th, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Greedo and Bushmills?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Rancor and Wild Turkey
May 15th, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Grand Moff Tarkin and Knob Creek?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Lando and Walker?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:46 PM
But seriously, I’m going to go with Wedge (Antilles) and Elijah Craig (or Blanton)
May 15th, 2012 at 6:48 PM
My sons are named after an obscure Star Wars character and a whiskey. All the rest was just rationalization for the wife.
Luke and Jack?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:48 PM
Changed my mind…
Jameson (the best whiskey around) and… Luke’s uncle Owen.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:50 PM
Guys, seriously. Since when are Luke or Lando considered obscure?
/smirks at everyone else
//adjusts taped up glasses
May 15th, 2012 at 6:59 PM
chubs is gonna wind up eating that kid, so people will forget the name maxwell.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:00 PM
Lobot and Pappy.
If we’re going unbound by the Catholic/Prot bullshit, Bushmill’s is superior by far. And Powers is just as good.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Even if we were unbound, Bushmills isn’t even a poor man’s Jameson. It’s a homeless man’s Jameson. A homeless man with AIDS.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:07 PM
Not really.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:10 PM
Bushmills: Not really as bad as a homeless man with AIDS, but close enough! Bushmills.
[theme song]
May 15th, 2012 at 7:16 PM
Not that Jameson is a bad whiskey.
It’s just not as good as Bushmill’s. And Black Bush is so far beyond anything that John Jameson or his descendants invented that they should be painting murals in Belfast of full bottles triumphant on horseback.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:17 PM
Donated an extra apostrophe to the cause I did
May 15th, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Did I miss a whiskey fight? Dammit.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:23 PM
Jameson is fine, nothing wrong with it, but I must agree with my Springsteen hating Colorado based colleague Gerard in his assertion that Bushmills is better.
I do enjoy though that Jameson used Dance Macabre in one of its commercials.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:28 PM
“what about joe flacco?”
-joe flacco
May 15th, 2012 at 8:04 PM
When I saw this on ESPN, I laughed. Romo couldn’t lick Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Eli or Stafford’s jocks.
May 15th, 2012 at 8:35 PM
So horrible to name a child Porkins Lisk
May 15th, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Grand Moff Tarkin and Knob Creek?
Jar Jar Binks and Fighting Cock?
May 16th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Baby boy due in July. I have an Italian last name so it’s hard to find names to go with that. Right now it’s a three way tie between Wesley, Nicholas, Dominic. Last place: anything that rhymes with “Aiden.”