Healthy Debate: Tim Tebow vs. Tommie Frazier
[This was originally written in 2008. We're re-publishing it today since Tommie Fraizer was inexplicably left out of the college football Hall of Fame. Here's who made it: Charles Alexander, RB, LSU (1975-78);Otis Armstrong, RB, Purdue (1970-72); Steve Bartkowski, QB, Cal (1972-74); Hal Bedsole, WR, USC (1961-63); Dave Casper, TE, Notre Dame (1971-73); Ty Detmer, QB, BYU (1988-91); Tommy Kramer, QB, Rice (1973-76); Art Monk, WR, Syracuse (1976-79); Greg Myers, DB, Colorado State (1992-95); Jonathan Ogden, OT, UCLA (1992-95); Gabe Rivera, DL, Texas Tech (1979-82); Mark Simoneau, LB, Kansas State (1996-99); Scott Thomas, S, Air Force (1982-85); John Wooten, OL, Colorado (1954-57).]
Over the weekend, this quote from the Miami Herald made the rounds: FSU coach Bobby Bowden said of Tebow: “He brings a little Bronko Nagurski to the quarterback position.” This led to much fawning from the announcers (Gary Danielson and Verne Lundquist) of the SEC title game, who were in left in awe of Tebow’s impressive performance in defeating Alabama. He’s already got a title and a Heisman, and there’s an outside chance he secures another of each this season. There have been no indications that he’d leave early for the NFL, meaning there’s a chance Tebow does the impossible and wins three Heismans and/or National titles. That would definitely put him on the short list of greatest college football players, ever.
For now, we’ll just compare him to perhaps the finest college player (not talent or winner or stat-monger) in the last three decades (going back to 1980): Nebraska’s Tommie Frazier.
For those of you running around in diapers when Frazier was running the option for Tom Osborne, here’s a primer:
* Started as a true freshman in 1993, went 9-3. One of the highlights was this 52-7 rout of a highly-ranked Colorado team. Lost the Orange bowl to Florida State, 27-14.
* Took Nebraska to the title game as a sophomore, and the Cornhuskers missed a field goal at the end and lost to Florida State. Frazier was named Nebraska’s MVP in the loss.
* Struggled through blood clots and missed some time in the regular season. Nebraska managed to get to the title game (thanks, Lawrence Philips), and the Cornhuskers topped a Warren Sapp and Ray Lewis-led Miami defense. Frazier was named Nebraska’s MVP.
* Won back-to-back titles with a romp over Florida. Victory included “the run” which is below. Won a third straight national title game MVP award. This team was considered one of the greatest in college football history. The backfield consisted of Phillips and Ahman Green.
How did Frazier not win a Heisman? He wasn’t going to get it as a freshman. Tough to argue against Charlie Ward leading the ‘Noles to the National title. Salaam rushed for over 2,000 yards, and the three guys who did it before him (Marcus Allen, Mike Rozier, Barry Sanders) all won the hardware. George rushed for over 1,900 yards, had three 200-yard games, including one against Notre Dame. He narrowly won the Heisman over Frazier in 1994.
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB Sr. (2nd – Marshall Faulk)
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB Sr. (2nd – Heath Shuler)
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB Jr. (2nd – Ki-Jana Carter)
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB Sr. (2nd – Frazier)

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May 15th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Tommie Frazier was a bad bad man.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Those Nebraska teams were straight up scary.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
/page views
May 15th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
So A.P., are you as in love with Daniel Nava as I am?
/claiming this as Yardwork
May 15th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Frankly it’s ridiculous that this is even a discussion. TD Tommie could actually THROW the ball as well. Frazier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tebowner. (And for the record I hated Nebraska then as much as I hate FL now)
May 15th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Mark Simoneau, LB, Kansas State (1996-99)
Ok. I don’t know what the criteria is for getting in, but if Simoneau (who was very, very good) got in before Frazier, then the criteria is baby poop.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
I was in the stands for this game. It was cold and sleeting and shit. Some drunk fan yelled out, “Bill McCartney can buff my muff!” I asked mom what that meant. She just stared at me and said nothing. My brother and I skipped Halloween that year to see the game. One of the better decisions of my life.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
“Bill McCartney can buff my muff!”
That’s pretty good
May 15th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Was any reason given for him not making the hall? Is a recount under way?
May 15th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Seemed like the UF players just didn’t want to tackle anymore. Straight-up hit and wrap at the legs/waist. No one wanted to do that, typical Spurrier team.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Vote – is it shitty to ignore your child after a sports loss?
I say yes.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
On and off the field. If you were a woman, and happened to cross paths with Lawrence Phillips or Christian Peter, your night was probably going to go south.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Without a doubt the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen. Just a terrible shit show.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
This is true.
/thinks back to all that winning
//ignores wife beating and steroid accusations
///RIIIIINGS!!!
May 15th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
loved tommie frazier. how the hell did he not make the HOF?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
And she is adorable! What a dickhead.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Because it’s a stupid entity. Orlando Pace isn’t in either. It’s absurd. I have no clue how they vote, but however it goes down, it needs to be fixed. You also can’t have two players from the same school in back-to-back years either.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
I imagine her saying to him, “Dad it’s just a game! Can we go for ice cream now?”
May 15th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
CJ -
/team anyone not named Marlon Byrd, Darnell McDonald, and Kevin Youkilis
May 15th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Dayan Viciedo > Tim Tebow
Why aren’t the Tigers good?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Tebow’s comp % was 66.4 in college, Frazier’s was 49.3.
Frazier threw for 3626 yards in his career, Tebow threw for 3286 yards in his sophomore year.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
No link to the original post? I’d like to read the comments.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Tigers pitching isn’t that good after Verlander.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
It is indeed shitty.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
“Bill McCartney can buff my muff!”
Awesome.
She just stared at me and said nothing.
Awesome-er
May 15th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
The 1992-game video is great. After every TD NEB players would rip their helmets off. God I miss the 90′s.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
The great thing about young kids is that they are great for making you snap out of it if you’ve had a bad day.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
George rushed for over 1,900 yards, had three 200-yard games, watched in amazement as Tim Biakabutuka shredded Ohio State’s defense for 313 rushing yards
May 15th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Let’s see. They have no players that get on base to set the table for Prince and Miggy. All the guys who had great season last year are regressing (looking at Jhonny and Avila). Delmon Young Sucks. Fister has been hurt, Scherzer and Porcello have been terrible. Oh, and that bullpen can only be described as a dumpster fire.
That should cover it.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Does anyone know the context of this?
/Cannot be real
//How does Tommie Frazier feel about foreskin?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
yeah it’s shitty, but i feel bad that’s the kind of father the girl has
May 15th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
What? Drew Smyly is the next big thing! Porcello blows, Scherzer has control issues. Fister’s really good though.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Those mid-90′s Nebraska teams were incredible. Not a lot of great NFL players (ran a wishbone offense, defense was fast but undersized), but they just steamrolled everyone.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Speaking of Bill McCartney … that whole promise keepers thing always baffled me.
Before I had kids, I had a buddy invited me to one of their drum-circle revivals. My response: “Why the hell would anyone want to take advice from some jackass whose family is a damn mess.” No more invites for me.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Holy hell. Go to the 9 min mark (or just before) to see some dude for CO get lit the fuck up.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
I would say so…but it probably didn’t even resonate with the kid that dad could have been doing more.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
I hate people so very, very much
May 15th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Good gawd – it’s a good thing there’s no Hershel Walker reference here or husker would black-out.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
I can’t stand when there are stems in my hot peppers. I thought I was chewing glass for a second.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
Peralta’s a .250 15 hr SS with limited range. Last year was a mirage. And no one ever expected Avila to be that good offensively. It doesn’t help that he broke down a bit from playing so much last year.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Moah Tebow.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
No link to the original post? I’d like to read the comments.
PLEASE.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I agree with all of that. And I expected it to happen. One of the reasons that my expectations for the Tigers were slightly tempered for this season. Although, they should still win that division.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
They should. Especially if Ubaldo and Masterson continue to suck, Grady doesn’t contribute and the FO doesn’t add some bats.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Meh. Herschel was before my time as a UGA fan. I only started paying attention to UGA when I moved up to Athens in 2001.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
healthy debate: low fat diet vs. high fat/low carb diet.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
On the flip side, Jackson is having a much better season.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Some drunk fan yelled out, “Bill McCartney can buff my muff!”
a girl fan, right?
No link to the original post? I’d like to read the comments.
PLEASE.
scripty the best we can do is go to that archives site.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20080215000000*/http:////thebiglead.com
May 15th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
i hope you washed your hands before gently fingerbanging your pussy.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Trophy stealing fraud, that Tommy Frazier. Much like today’s big 12 number compilers, gimmick offense against suspect defense.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I remember watching him play as a freshman, a couple of the games you could catch on ABC college Sat afternoon. I didn’t know in the bowl against ND as a freshman he dislocated his shoulder and they popped it back into place and he kept playing.
The man is a beast and the best conditioned athletes I’ve ever seen.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Vote – is it shitty to ignore your child after a sports loss?
I say yes.
i took the offense on this one. when i threw a no-no as a 12-year-old, my mom ran out on the field to hug me and i ignored her
parents were embarassing back then
May 15th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
I assume this is in jest. I know you think your boy Drunky McBoozehound and white lighting Joe Jerevicious were better, but they weren’t. They would have played scared against Big Red, especially after Pervy McButtsex threatened sodomy in the showers at Dear Old PedoBear U if they lost.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
How is the article saved but not the comments, cmon.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Trophy stealing fraud, that Tommy Frazier. Much like today’s big 12 number compilers, gimmick offense against suspect defense.Why don’t you go make out with another dude already
May 15th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
so many great commenter names in 2007. i saw you ms612
May 15th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
+1 vajayjay redick
/lies, damn lies, and statistics
May 15th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
This is one of those times where this site needs to utilize the reader-friendly polls.
If I was starting a CFB team, I would select Timothy Tebow over Tommie Frazier.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Tim Biakabutuka
i remember holtz trying to pronounce this. sounded like biaka ba tootoo
May 15th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
If you mean fruits and veggies when you say “low fat” then I’d go that route. If low fat means a Lean Cuisine and cottage cheese for lunch then I’d take the high fat/low carb.
//Team anti-sodium.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
so many great commenter names in 2007. i saw you ms612
Really, you saw me on a comment back then?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
The man is a beast and the best conditioned athletes I’ve ever seen.
up to that point the legend was that he only did pushups and situps. anyone confirm that?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Agreed. Salt’s for suckers.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
I don’t joke about how overrated 1994 Nebraska was. It’s as serious as a subject can be.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
so many great commenter names in 2007. i saw you ms612
Really, you saw me on a comment back then?
yep
May 15th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
yep
Ah yes. That was when I had just started my current job. I was pretty far down on the totem pole. Now I’m above people who have been here twice as long as I have.
/humblebrag
May 15th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Is that the same Beekeeper Ben commenting at that post?! Had no idea he’s been around that long.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
STAND BACK EVERYONE…WE GOT SOME HOT SHIT COMING THROUGH.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Wow, KC Res. One of the Orginals.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070708044629/http://thebiglead.com/?p=2686#comments
May 15th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Frazier and Orlando Pace were probably 2 of the best 20 college football players ever, yet both did not get entry today. Hilariously awful.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Is that the same Beekeeper Ben commenting at that post?! Had no idea he’s been around that long.
I’m pretty sure it is the same Ben. He mentioned that his commenter name changed when he moved to a different zip code.
That comment thread really takes me back. I had just started dating the woman I’m now married to.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
STAND BACK EVERYONE…WE GOT SOME HOT SHIT COMING THROUGH.
/walks around
//farts
///acts like it doesn’t stink
May 15th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
I didn’t know in the bowl against ND
One of the ND guys that messed up the KO in that sugar bowl is a friend of mine.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Wow, KC Res. One of the Orginals.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070708044629/http://thebiglead.com/?p=2686#comments
Yep. KC I think we’ve determined is the oldest continuously commenting person here.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
/sniffs
//ascribes value
///charts
May 15th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
“And the entire CU defensive line will buff his daughter’s!”
May 15th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
The post at 4PM on May 9 2008 was awesome. It was like an AM roundup, but with hotter chicks.
/misses PM roundup
May 15th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
I wish I could remember when I started coming around. I think it was back in 2007. Actually, has to be back then.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Ha, VulcanJew on that original thread. That dude had problems.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Affirmative action!
May 15th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
dude…awesome. back then, the old commenter cbh had to change his name to “cbhgivesblumpkinstolebronjames” after the cavs beat the wiz in the playoffs. great name bet.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
I wish I could remember when I started coming around. I think it was back in 2007. Actually, has to be back then.
I feel like you’ve been around at least as long as I have. Now that there is evidence that I’ve been commenting since 2007, you probably have as well.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
I wish I could remember when I started coming around. I think it was back in 2007. Actually, has to be back then.
same here. i think it was 08. my very first blog to join as a commenter. would love to see how awkward i was
/still am
May 15th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
That was when I did, but didn’t comment for a while.
I feel we’ve all had this talk before somehow.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Sounds right. Now proof of this must be found.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
I feel we’ve all had this talk before somehow.
We have. Many, many times.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Cool, I just saw the hi-lights for the UGA-ND Sugar Bowl game on ESPN no too long ago. What did he have to say about Herschel?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
i was under the assumption every regular started commenting here in 2007.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
i was under the assumption every regular started commenting here in 2007.
I think KC was commenting here before the blog even existed. He’s that much of a badass.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
phag allen
May 15th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
By my estimation, we are just a few more comments from someone mentioning that they came here post-Cowherd Incident.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Can I be considered a regular? I didn’t start in 2007. So I guess, no?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
What did he have to say about Herschel?
I never asked Ty about that game. Ever. That was one of his last games – neck issues.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
you’ll speak when spoken to…now get back to color coding my m&m’s.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
By my estimation, we are just a few more comments from someone mentioning that they came here post-Cowherd Incident.
/raises hand
May 15th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
April 2007 here. Thank you Colin Cowherd.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Can I be considered a regular?
I don’t know, can you swing a sack of doorknobs?
May 15th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
By my estimation, we are just a few more comments from someone mentioning that they came here post-Cowherd Incident.
April 2007 here. Thank you Colin Cowherd.
This isn’t quite as creepy as Wayne Fontes Safari making a Junior Seau joke minutes before reports of his death came out, but it’s still well done.
May 15th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
bernie miklasz interviewing Brian Quick, the new Rams receiver, is painful. quick is not, um, quick, if you can pick up what i’m throwing down
May 15th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Tommy Frazier was good. But he wasn’t as good as Major Harris, and he didn’t win a Heisman either.
May 15th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
Tommy Frazier was good. But he wasn’t as good as Major Harris, and he didn’t win a Heisman either.
You. are. fucking. high.
May 15th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
Having lived in Lincoln my entire life and witnessing the 90′s Husker teams in person, I can tell you Tommie Frazier not being in the CFB HOF is criminal. Dude could ball.
That being said, this reminded me of some rumors I heard about when TF was coaching a small NAIA school (Doane College) in Crete, Nebraska about ten years ago. Apparently he held separate meetings for white and black players. He then ended up getting fired for not being able to keep his dick in his pants around campus.
I know that was random, but thought it was worth noting. Guy is still a legend.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:05 PM
I went to Manatee High School with Tommie and I can tell you that he’s by far the best option QB that has ever played the game. Tebow can’t hold a torch to Tommie and not be in the college football HOF is a crime. What does a Heisman win have to do with getting into the HOF?