Josh Hamilton, What is He Worth? Jayson Werth Money? A-Rod Money? Pujols Money?
MLB Free Agency doesn’t begin on May 10th. That’s too bad for Josh Hamilton, because in the afterglow of his historic four home run game, he is perhaps the greatest player in the history of all-time on the internet. A Dallas columnist has completely reversed his stance on risk with Hamilton and wants Texas to throw caution to the wind and pay the man.
Jeff Passan reports that the Rangers have re-opened talks with Hamilton recently, after talks were put on hold in the aftermath of his offseason relapse. His past history is a complicating factor here, though I suspect, because this is a market where it takes one bidder to match a price, and Hamilton would easily be the best free agent hitter on the market, that he will get more than people want to believe in terms of years. All it takes is one big market team wanting to make a splash. Whether it’s Josh Hamilton’s history or Peyton Manning’s neck, the team that wants the elite player will make concessions to win the bid.
The other factor is simply valuing Hamilton’s worth as a player, setting aside those past addiction issues. We don’t know where Hamilton will end up this year (though the guess here is he won’t finish with more than 70 home runs, which is his current pace). If he plays like his average self over the last 2 years and one month, then he’ll end the year with MVP-like numbers based on his hot start, and an OPS+ in the 175-185 range.
When I look at similar players to Hamilton, like what I did with Albert Pujols last weekend, over the three-year span from age 29 to 31, the two most similar hitters were easily Alex Rodriguez and Willie Stargell. Gary Sheffield was a distant third. Rodriguez led the league in home runs (54), RBI (156) and slugging percentage (.645) at age 31, while Willie Stargell also led the league with 48 home runs and was runner up in the MVP voting at 31.
The 10 most similar hitters to Hamilton averaged 20.0 WAR for the five years from age 32 to 36; they averaged only 4.0 WAR from age 37 to 41. While there has been much discussion about not giving Hamilton more than a five year deal because of his history, the real history says really good hitters like Hamilton are a risk after age 36 anyway.
Personally, I would set his price at about $110 to 120 million for five years, but I would lose that bid to a team wanting to make a splash. Based on all the deals recently, from Jayson Werth to A-Rod to Albert Pujols, from younger signings like Matt Kemp and Joey Votto, I think Hamilton is getting more than five but not the 10-year deal that Pujols got. My guess, if he stays relatively healthy and productive this year, and hits the open market – 7 years, between $160 million and $170 million.
If free agency opened today, though, he might get eleventy billion.
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May 10th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
8 ball of coke, a fat bag of weed and some heroin.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Some friends and I were debating this very issue this morning. I’d say he gets 6/150 million.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
4 years/ 100 MM. If he earns it out great, if not, a calculated risk.
Chances are if signs w/, let’s Miami, he’s fucked.
Mutually beneficial all around.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
No matter how good Hamilton is over the next 5 years, the question will always be asked: how good could he have been if he didn’t lose several years to his addiction?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
You don’t think he’ll get more than that? I would think he’d get a 7 or 8 year deal.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Don’t forget the whores to do body shots off of
May 10th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
too old for a long-term deal. 1 year 100 million
May 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
No matter how good Hamilton is over the next 5 years, the question will always be asked: how good could he have been if he didn’t lose several years to his addiction?
Novel take.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
no idea…what if he’s only this good because of a renewed motivation from his addict years? who knows…he couldve burned out and not tried and did shit if he never got hooked on drugs.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
how good could he have been if he didn’t lose several years to his addiction?
or the obvious reverse….did that period make him the player he is today?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
too old for a long-term deal. 1 year 100 million
Ha.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
big laugh.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
If he goes to free agency, I’m sure some dumb GM will give him 7 years. He’s already injury prone, and he’s only 31 (or is it 32)?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I should really hate him, but I don’t. Hope he keeps it clean, and keeps clobbering the ball.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Ned Stark doin’ work.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
I think the bigger question is who are the suitors? Yankees are probably out since Granderson plays center, Gardner is young and they have large contracts with a lot of years left in A-Rod and Sabathia. Though replacing Swisher with Hamilton might be possible if they are willing to really spend. The Red Sox have an albatross OF contract in Carl Crawford. Texas is obviously in play and Hamilton would possibly give them a discount since they gave him the opportunity to comeback and thrive. The Angels just spent a boatload on CJ Wilson and Alebrt but they do have a need in the outfield. The Tigers have their big fish with Miggy and Prince. The White Sox are cutting back spending because they’re set to rebuild. Maybe the Blue Jays since they missed out on Prince? Unlikely Angelos opens the purse in Baltimore. That’s the AL.
Do we even think he considers the NL, or that an NL team is willing to commit more years than necessary to sign him without the ability to DH him?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
too old for a long term deal, and he has a history with relapse. he will not get pujols or werth money.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
This was my thinking. Some idiot team will spend more than they should. I don’t give a fuck about the sport, but for some reason I would like to see him stay with Texas.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Novel take.
/writes note to Kreese
//folds it and puts it into Ziplock bag
///farts into Ziplock bag and seals it immediately
////sends Fedex to Kreese labeled “open immediately”
May 10th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
He’ll get his money, but I’d pass if I were in charge for the Rangers.
/goes back to NOT being a MLB GM
//kicks rock
May 10th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Hamilton is 30. Turns 31 in about 10 days.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
I would go 4 for 105 and an mutual option a fifth year for 27 mil.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
He was breastfed by his mother until he was six.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
no idea…what if he’s only this good because of a renewed motivation from his addict years? who knows…he couldve burned out and not tried and did shit if he never got hooked on drugs.
Definitely that’s possible. But if Hamilton stayed sober, would we be asking now “Gee, Josh Hamilton sure is good/bad/another first round bust, but I wonder how much better he could be if he wasted a few years doing smack and then recovered.”
May 10th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
No such thing as an albatross contract when you’re the Red Sox or Yankees. And don’t sleep on the Mariners. They’d throw a shitload of money at him. Blue Jays, Mariners, or O’s would be my guess.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Bastard, he isn’t staying true to the books!
May 10th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
too old for a long term deal, and he has a history with relapse. he will not get pujols or werth money.
Maybe not from Texas. But someone will come calling.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
if he was to get big money, i would put some sort of injury/relapse clause in there.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Hamilton would move to left in this scenario, since Trout would be getting all the play in center.
Oh and Phillies could be a landing spot (seriously), Victorino is a FA, the left field situation is a mess and Pence is a FA after 2013.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
As a fan of a different team in the AL, I hope he DOES NOT sign with Texas. That team is loaded.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
finally, a player to root for is going to get paid.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
What about Natinals? Except they have Zimmerman, Strasburg to keep. So, nevermind
May 10th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
If he considers the NL, I bet the Mets would open up the bank for him. Doubt his wife would want Hamilton spending 81 days a year in New York City though. Dodgers have Kemp. I think the cavernous outfield in San Francisco would be a drawback to his 4th year and beyond of a contract. The Cubs aren’t spending for him. The Cardinals just signed Beltran. The Brewers don’t have the cash. The Reds have Bruce signed through 2017. Phillies have Howard’s mega deal and the pitchers under contract. Marlins? Maybe. That clubhouse may not be the ideal environment for him either.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
i mean, that does sound like something id think of to ask.
/had a cop give a speech to our entire HS when i was a freshman about traffic safety and during the q&a i asked him if eagle scouts got parking tickets
//he wasn’t amused
///neither was the cop i called sipowicz
May 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
As a fan of a different team in the AL, I hope he DOES NOT sign with Texas. That team is loaded.
The Astros move into the AL West next year. I’d very much like for him to be somewhere else when they do.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Zimmerman just signed a 10 year extension. I’m sure the Nationals would throw a ton of money at him. They aren’t cheap.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
No matter how good Hamilton is over the next 5 years, the question will always be asked: how good could he have been if he didn’t lose several years to his addiction?
Imagine how good Mickey Mantle would’ve been if he was sober?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
/writes note to Kreese
//folds it and puts it into Ziplock bag
///farts into Ziplock bag and seals it immediately
////sends Fedex to Kreese labeled “open immediately”
/////types out response, then realizes this is an internet comment board.
Hamilton is 30. Turns 31 in about 10 days.
4 yrs/100MM, you dont pull the trigger?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Don’t see why not. There are several landing spots for him in the NL including the entire East Division.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
snort the dotted line, josh.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Blue Jays, Mariners, or O’s would be my guess.
Those would cause a relapse.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Everyone is acting like he’s stuck in CF. He’ll be better off playing in a corner.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Zimmerman just signed a 10 year extension
Jordan, not Ryan
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
*ctrl f* *Jose Bautista*
Nothing? Really?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
St. Louis is actually a real option. Carpenter comes off the books next year and so does Beltran. Holliday is signed through 2017 but the only other big offensive contract is Yadier. They do owe Wainwright an extension after next season though.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
i wish the indians would make a run at hamilton and put him in LF…but cleveland’s so depressing, he’d be driven straight back to the crackpipe.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
///neither was the cop i called sipowicz
If he was wearing a tie with a short sleeve shirt, then he deserved it.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
How about the Giants in a sign and trade?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Are you allowed to have 2 month contracts in baseball? If so, the Pirates can offer him a deal.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
The Astros move into the AL West next year. I’d very much like for him to be somewhere else when they do.
we are going to get butt reamed in the al west. awesome.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
SC – Phillies contract book clears up big time over the next year or two. Victorino, Hamels & Blanton all are FAs. That’s close to $35 mil there alone this year. Utley, Pence & Ruiz are only on the book for another year. Their minors are devoid of positional talent outside of Brown. Hamilton would be a great fit.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
he was black and had just given my 13-year old self an annoyed warning about the dangers of jaywalking. oh man was he pissed after that.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
You do know teams can play more than one outfiedler at a time, right?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Imagine how good Mickey Mantle would’ve been if he was sober?
Or what Ted Williams’ numbers would have been if he didn’t lose his prime years to World War II and the Korean War.
Or if Babe Ruth had to face black pitchers.
Or if the government hadn’t infected Lou Gehrig with that disease because they secretly thought he might have been a Nazi sympathizer.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Trout is the truth.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
If freaking Prince Fielder hoodwinked the Tigers into a $214m contract, Hamilton will get at least $220m.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Hey TBL, NBA playoff ratings are down and NHL playoff ratings are up.
where’s the post on that?
huh?????
Oh that’s right, we won’t write negative NBA posts
May 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Then spell his name right. Zimmermann.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
No need for Lisk to step it up. Solid as usual bro.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Losing Utley and Hamels kinda makes the Phillies less attractive for a FA, no? Especially with Halladay turning 37 next year and Lee turning 33.
The Rangers are definitely the best fit. If he’s willing to take a 4-5 year deal with $25-27M AAV, I think it works out just fine for him.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
imagine how good brian boitano would be if he didn’t go back in time to fight kublai khan.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
He writes about the Knicks all of the time.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
You know not everyone have the payroll of Boston and New York, right?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
I’ll go Rangers and Cardinals. God save the Queen if he ends up in St. Louis because I’ll be making sure he gets the finest meth available.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
how many beers and/or crack rocks would 150 million dollars buy?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
4 yrs/100MM, you dont pull the trigger?
snort the dotted line, josh.
Robbie Fowler agrees.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
If that’s argument, then talk about payrolls. The Dodgers are about to drop some money though. Saying they signed Kemp so they won’t sign anyone else is a weak argument.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
imagine how good brian boitano would be if he didn’t go back in time to fight kublai khan.
i bet he’d kick an ass or two.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
imagine how good brian boitano would be if he didn’t go back in time to fight kublai khan.
If he hadn’t done that, we’d all be speaking Kublia Khanese right now.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
he will trash mlb ratings at any chamce. he is a joke
May 10th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
OK. The Dodgers are a possibility. They are also located in Los Angeles. I’m thinking Josh Hamilton’s wife, who much like Cliff Lee’s wife, will have some say in where her husband will end up. She stuck with him through all the crap. I am willing to bet she doesn’t want her meal ticket ending up in Los Angeles.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Definitely see the points brought up here. Maybe I’m just crestfallen and pissed off because of the Phils getting swept by the Mets.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Then spell his name right. Zimmermann
Ouch. Relax
May 10th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Link weber?
May 10th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
cliff lee’s only going to be 33 years old?
WAIT…CLIFF FUCKING LEE IS ONLY GOING TO BE 33 YEARS OLD?!?!?!?!
YOU FUCKING GOD DAMNED CHEAP ASS COCKSUCKER DOLANS. I HOPE YOU BURN IN FUCKING HELL YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
I’m thinking Josh Hamilton’s wife, who much like Cliff Lee’s wife, will have some say in where her husband will end up. She stuck with him through all the crap. I am willing to bet she doesn’t want her meal ticket ending up in Los Angeles.
Solid analysis.
You’re an idiot.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
why? oh, because people are more likely to do drugs in new york and cheat on their spouses. yeah, that doesn’t happen anywhere else. especially for a junkie.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
I was joking.
May 10th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
“I’m pretty sure they were speaking Asian.”
May 10th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
you want the link to the ratings themselves or the link to the trashing of MLB?
May 10th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
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Link weber?
May 10th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Hi Sparty. Didn’t miss you. At all.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
ot…i love when i have to clean up all my chrome tabs when there’s too many to show all the icons and seeing what nonsense i left open.
-google result for “kilometers to feet conversion”
-wiki on the torture technique “drawn, hanged and quartered”
-guy fawkes wiki (because he was drawn, hanged and quartered but jumped off the ladder before being hanged and broke his own neck…in case you were wondering, he was disemboweled, emasculated and quartered anyways even tho he was dead and couldn’t be tortured)
-a link to an online bonobos coupon
-this picture
-this link to a discussion on string theory
May 10th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Also a pretty good draw for free agents: Money. Lots of it.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Exactly, if you’re going to get high, you’ll do it anywhere.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
good response. pretty typical of you to deflect when your dumb theories are called out.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
He’s worth all that, plus a six-pack of Shiner and a shot of Patron.
/ Oops
May 10th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
But there’s only one GREATEST CITY EVAR!! NEW YORK, BABY!! Everything’s better there, or at least that’s what I’m told by every asshole who lives there.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Nope, God is the only one telling Hamilton where to go.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
dope is better in TX.
/so i’ve heard
//black tar
May 10th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Yeah, I hear ya. Chicago > NYC
May 10th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I can get behind this line of thinking.
One overlooked factor in Hamilton is he’s also pretty injury-prone.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Everything’s better there, or at least that’s what I’m told by every asshole who lives there.
suburban georgia is clearly better.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Detroit > All
/Coneys!
//Vernors!
May 10th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I always thought black tar heroin was supposed to be nasty herion? That not true? Where’s Eric Stoltz’s character from Pulp Fiction when you need him.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
it is more dangerous. less pure. THAT’S THE RUSH MAN!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Huh.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Gods has been on fire lately. some very solid takes recently.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
So, so true. It’s not like the Phillies ownership group is poor. 200+ sell-outs in a row, TV renegotation in the next few years, and huge merchandise sales help a lot.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Detroit Coneys got nothing on Flint Coneys!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
No clue, but you don’t hear people saying it is, do you? I’m old enough to remember when people called NYC a total shit hole. Then 9/11 happened and we felt like we had to say it was the GREATEST!!
May 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Are we still talking about the drugs?
May 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
The more you know…
May 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
ot…phenomenal toilet.
/sfw
May 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Agreed that Vernors is the best Ginger Ale.
/flips bird at Canada Dry
//flips double bird at Cranberry Canada Dry
May 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
I’m the exact opposite, I shut down tabs as soon as I’m done reading them.
But then gain, I also delete every icon off my desktop except for the Recycle Bin.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Needs to learn how to put sunscreen on.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
No clue, but you don’t hear people saying it is, do you? I’m old enough to remember when people called NYC a total shit hole. Then 9/11 happened and we felt like we had to say it was the GREATEST!!
Well to be fair, NYC from the 1970s to the early 1990s was kind of a shithole. Then Guiliani made it illegal to be homeless and gave Disney carte blanche to take over Times Square.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Preach!!!!! Vernors is fucking amazing.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
must be nice to not have ADD.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
I’m the exact opposite, I shut down tabs as soon as I’m done reading them.
I do this as well. I also keep one of the most barren email inboxes of anyone I’ve ever met.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
must be nice to not have AD…oh look, a bird outside!.
Corrected for truth.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Yup.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
I’m with Spencer on this. I have 2 different tabs open for google right now.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
whatever the market dictates for josh will be a bad deal.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
No clue, but you don’t hear people saying it is, do you? I’m old enough to remember when people called NYC a total shit hole. Then 9/11 happened and we felt like we had to say it was the GREATEST!!
well thought out.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Hey now, ADD got me a prescription of adderall during college. It’s not all bad.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
Thanks. I thought it was as well.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
Awesome.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Awesome.
Holy shit, Rex wins.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
as of now, i have 1405 unread emails in my outlook inbox…and that’s only because i deleted around 2,000 of em that were all from before 2010 last december or something.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Can he share the ball with Carmelo?
/news (re)cycle’d
May 10th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
adderall is great. ADD is not. neither is building tolerances.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I can only assume that in 14 years the NFL Championship has an official sponser, and the Super Bowl refers to the team that gets the top draft pick.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
in fourteen years, brandon weeden will be eligible for social security.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
When one of these comes true, I will be deemed Nostradamianesque.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
That’s actually the part I laughed at the most.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
as of now, i have 1405 unread emails in my outlook inbox…and that’s only because i deleted around 2,000 of em that were all from before 2010 last december or something.
Seeing the number in parenthesis next to an email folder drives me crazy. I have to make it so that nothing is unread. And then as soon as I determine either that it’s not important to me or that I’ve responded appropriately, I delete the original email.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
-google result for “kilometers to feet conversion”
-wiki on the torture technique “drawn, hanged and quartered”
-guy fawkes wiki (because he was drawn, hanged and quartered but jumped off the ladder before being hanged and broke his own neck…in case you were wondering, he was disemboweled, emasculated and quartered anyways even tho he was dead and couldn’t be tortured)
-a link to an online bonobos coupon
-this picture
-this link to a discussion on string theory
damn, i wish my job made me look all that cool shit up
May 10th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
i used to do this as well until one day, we had an hour long training on “email organizational skills” (that went long) and the techniques the presenter used. all it takes is an hour a day to maintain your email!
it takes 10 seconds to copy and paste into our case management system…case relevant emails go there, everything else is meaningless as far as im concerned.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
i don’t believe banner ads work but that leaves me searching for an alternate explanation for the sweet 34×36 yellow pants that just arrived in the mail.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
bravo rex
May 10th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Ditto.
Also, someone post whatever Rex threw up on Twitter. Pics take forever to load out in the field.
May 10th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
With bonus points for the Kentucky Fried Movie daredevil in the background.