On the Debate to Ban College Football
Buzz Bissinger, Malcolm Gladwell, Tim Green and Jason Whitlock participated in an Intelligence Squared event, debating whether college football should be banned. Sixteen percent of the audience entered believing college football should be banned. Fifty-three percent left convinced it should be banned. The result was interesting, but in no way conclusive.
The format framed the result. Attacking is easier than defending, especially when the object is frivolous entertainment which may have no inherent value beyond that. Convert the topic to “should alcohol be banned.” Proponents would drop statistical bombs about binge drinking, drunk driving, domestic abuse and associated health problems. Opponents would be reduced to vague retorts about freedom, reducing stress and facilitating social interaction. Proponents would win the argument, but does that mean we’re better off without alcohol?
Bissinger and Gladwell were better debaters. Buzz is an intimidating torrent of energy. Gladwell deftly deploys tone and emotive imagery, far more powerful than facts or reason. Tim Green, though bright and eloquent, was a little overmatched. Whitlock, though his points were thoughtful and compelling, often meandered and did not drive them home with the requisite force.
This was not a college football crowd. Football is not lacrosse. It’s a lower class sport. Its strongest roots are in Midwest and the South. Football is suburban. It is more prominent in public schools. There’s a disconnect between that culture and Northeast intellectual culture which, when it dabbles in sport, tends to wax poetic about baseball or basketball. NYU is an elitist, private, non-football playing university. This debate featured a New Yorker author and a Penn and Dalton graduate presenting a message the crowd would already have been primed to appreciate. Ann Arbor and many other places would have been less receptive.
Looking at the arguments themselves…
Bissinger emphasized “the distracted university.” He posed college football as a pernicious influence upon academic culture, siphoning resources and reducing attention spans. He harped on comparative U.S. decline in education. He cited research showing that schools spend an average of 6.8 times as much on student-athletes in FBS and 11.6 times as much in the SEC. He cited studies correlating drinking and poor academic performance with college football success. In my opinion, this argument did not hold weight.
Nineteen of the U.S. News Top 25 public universities in the United States participate in major college football. That list includes Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State and other elite programs. The only public school that participates in FBS football in New England/New York is UConn. At No. 19 it is by far the best rated. The next highest rated, University of Vermont (No. 36), is outstripped by 10 of the 11 public schools in the Big Ten and the past four BCS title winners.
Ivy League schools and schools such as University of Chicago dropped big-time college football and have had academic success. Other private schools such Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame and Vanderbilt kept big-time college football and have had academic success. There may be systemic issues across the system, but the presence of major college football seems to be irrelevant.
Green and Whitlock argued football’s case, though it’s hard to find tangible points in its favor beyond being fun and entertaining. Football does instill leadership. It does provide educational opportunities. This may be currency some are not equipped to or unwilling to use but many, such as Green and Whitlock, do take advantage of that. Though, these benefits could easily be provided by other sports. College football is also one of the few areas of university life that fosters legitimate diversity.
A point they should have keyed on more (which neither Bissinger nor Gladwell had a coherent retort to) is that you can’t simply pluck college football out of an athletic department. College football foots the bill for every non-revenue sport. A ban of college football puts a de facto end to competitive college athletics. This denies tens of thousands the opportunity to attend college and wipes out all the advancements in women’s participation through Title IX.
Head injury research is the salient issue. Gladwell stuck to this tack, discussing how college football players receive approximately 1,000 40-100G impacts per season and evidence suggests this leads to Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Green cited irrelevant fatality statistics and tried to claim riding a bicycle was more dangerous. Whitlock suggested some NFL retirees might be suing out of envy. Both Whitlock and Green pointed out that the science has proven nothing yet. Both were unconvincing. This research is in the preliminary stages, but that does not mean it’s not valid.
To ban college football it has to be shown conclusively that (A) this is a “playing four years of college football” problem instead of a “playing 10-15 years in the NFL” problem and (B) it is not concussions alone but the succession of lower grade hits that are leading to C.T.E. in football players. Concussions can be reduced, minimized and properly treated (at least in perception) through rule changes and diligence. Sub-concussive impacts are indelible. A conclusive finding that the latter was causing CTE in significant numbers of players would prove not college football but all football inhumane and untenable.
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May 9th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Gladwell deftly deploys tone and emotive imagery, far more powerful than facts or reason.
It happened. 12:46 on May 9, 2012. Duffy and I completely agree on something.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
fuck this. why is this so hard? if you;re going to ban a level of football, make it youth football. no fb until say age 12. no excuse for exposing children to concussions
May 9th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
More like “square rooted”, am I right?
/goes back up to post
May 9th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
hilarious and well-written, Duffy. I enjoy reading Gladwell, but this was a pret-tay good description.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
In general, football is a lower class sport. Its strongest roots are in Midwest and the South.
Ok. Now we’re back to the old Duffy.
In my opinion, this argument did not hold weight.
Now I’m back to agreeing with you. Nice write-up.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
we’re all rockheads
May 9th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
so supporting local businesses and encouraging a sense of community are herent values then?
May 9th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
damn. the University of California system is doin’ work.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
taking it this is a herent value as well.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
And I’ll state once again that I’m not convinced that tackle football before high school age is problematic.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
no, it can certainly be valid so far…it’s just that you can’t acknowledge that whitlock and green were right since you were siding on the intellectuals’ side rather than the jock’s from the very beginning.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
One other thing… um, college football is not getting banned. Seems like a pointless argument the egghead came up with for a shitty Slate column a couple weeks ago and everyone ran with it.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
And I’ll state once again that I’m not convinced that tackle football before high school age is problematic.
and i’ll remind you that it’s not just you and me here st. bear
May 9th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
One other thing… um, college football is not getting banned. Seems like a pointless argument the egghead came up with for a shitty Slate column a couple weeks ago and everyone ran with it.
i am buying you a cyberdrink
May 9th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
If they can ban 2 Live Crew, they can ban college football. Do it.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
No, but it does seem to be me vs everyone else. Which I’m fine with, just means my son will dominate football that much more.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
Next war. Northeast elitist snobs get drafted first! Wanna cut down obesity? Fat concentration camps, outlaw video games and computers.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
Funny, I always believed that UNH was a really good state school. Then 65% of my HS class went there, and my perspective changed.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
If they can ban 2 Live Crew, they can ban college football.
Tipper Whore is running the NCAA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09dyOHGKiM
/Hand over heart
//beams with patriotism.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Intelligence Squared – picking the most rediculas subjects doesn’t really help the title.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I bash duffy all the time, but I really like what he wrote here.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Fat concentration camps,
whole foods actually sends employees to these. your employee discpount is more or less based on a physical going-over, for lack of a less funny term. those who are fat are sent to these camps
wfm may be touchy-feely but they are doing something right. they have like no debt and more than 500 million just laying around
May 9th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
i am buying you a cyberdrink
Cyberwhiskey, please.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
If you took all of the resources and energy that went towards college football and put it towards academics, sure I would imagine that the higher education system would be better. Then again, if there wasn’t any war the world would be a better place too.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
More like, returning surveys.
How do you market yourself as an honest publication and put bullshit like that out? US News is the worst.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Uncle Luke in the house.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
do you know how many former astronauts come back with serious issues? lots…high levels of radiation and lunar dust poses the same threat as many lung toxins, only worse when the low gravity can force these particles even further down the lungs than toxins on earth.
my point is, these are not untenable problems. there are solutions, much like there’s a solution for football. and while space exploration might be a more worthwile endeavor than football…consider that many astronauts, including buzz aldrin and neil armstrong (buzz mentioned first cuz he’s awesome) played college football.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Absolutely false. D3 schools aren’t funding their programs with football money. The quality of play would probably decrease, as the best athletes and coaches bypass the college system. But if the goal is to educate and provide opportunities to participate, that shouldn’t really matter.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Convert the topic to “should porn be banned.” Proponents would drop statistical bombs about binge masturbation, drunk masturbation, penis abuse and associated wanking problems. Opponents would be reduced to vague retorts about having no social skills, reducing stress and facilitating penis interaction. Proponents would win the argument, but does that mean we’re better off without porn?
this is fun
May 9th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
That dot in the far upper left of your line graph is ASU laughing at your study.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
If they can ban 2 Live Crew, they can ban college football
Uncle Luke in the house.
Known as Luke P. to some. Or one.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Personally I’d be fucking miserable, but you could argue that society as a whole would be better off without alcohol.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
No, but it does seem to be me vs everyone else. Which I’m fine with, just means my son will dominate football that much more.
i just don’t see how you can think that inevitable blows to the head, no matter the coaching, are ok. the argument against youth football is so much easier to believe than your position
May 9th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Mandatory football and dodgeball.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Just remove football and basketball from colleges and create an NFL-D(evelopmental) L(eague) and expand the NBA-DL where kids will be paid for playing. Coleges will then have to reassess their commitment to athletics (hello club sports).
May 9th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Cyberwhiskey, please.
has a nose of keyboard and hints of 1s and 0s before finishing with too many tabs open and system failure
May 9th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
I’d probably agree with that. High school kids are smaller, slower. There are a variety of rule changes that could be used to slow the game down. But what if you also imposed a weight limit?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I’m so glad I don’t have a dog in this fight.
/’03 alum of SENDU-SAGE
May 9th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
At a young age, they don’t have the size nor play with the speed to cause much danger of concussions.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Was society that much better off during prohibition?
/was drinking during PBS prohibition documentaries and can’t really remember what they said.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
And I will state again it is most dangerous at the high school level.
The problems outlined in student funding and concussions are not systemic or limited to college football so it’s a rather stupid argument.
If you want to talk about serfdom though…they be serfs.
I should clarify that they have a better life as serfs than any other serfs before and although I believe the system is unfair I derive entertainment from it so fuck’em.
But I believe it’s intellectually dishonest to not see them at least economically as serfs.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Lots of employers are now not hiring fatties or smokers to avoid covering them under insurance.
/team fat concentration camp
//Need to drop 30
May 9th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
/was drinking during PBS prohibition documentaries and can’t really remember what they said
Bravo
May 9th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
At a young age, they don’t have the size nor play with the speed to cause much danger of concussions.
maybe at 5. after that, there will always be the kids who are bigger, who get beaten at home and take out the rage on the field. i don’t get the whole size and speed argument. it’s all relative. blows to the head are worse than no blows to the head? who does it benefit to have kids under 12 play?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
blows to the head are worse than no blows to the head?
not meant as a question
May 9th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
This sounds like a dojo…do you mix martial arts and beekeeping?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
to be fair, “big-time college football” probably would’ve been dropped from the ivy’s and UC regardless if they kept their teams or not.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
I thought research showed that repeated small blows to the head (like lineman get) were just as bad as one knockout blow (not Darryl Stingley-type). Wouldn’t this hold true regardless of age?
/Remembers 3 years ago when the NFL said there was no evidence that head shots caused concussions.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Nobody wants this, especially not the players. What little salary they’d get (30K a year?) playing in a D-league would not make up for the fact that they’d be playing in mostly empty stadiums with little TV exposure and still be risking the same injuries.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Ban alcohol, football, bacon, and marriage except between and a man and the paid playoffs.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Personally I’d be fucking miserable, but you could argue that society as a whole would be better off without alcohol.
Was society that much better off during prohibition?
Oh, hell no. I just finished Last Call (excellent book.) Prohibition was a total failure.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Southeast North Dakota University – School of Apiary and General Entomology
May 9th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Can we just ban it in the South? I’d like the collective make up of the fans better.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
If there’s no longer CFB as we know it, where else would people look to get their fill? Plus, injuries would be covered under workers comp, so you’d get cash for them.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Unrelated: Productivity has been put on notice.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
I just have really good family memories of youth football.
I started playing football at 12, and it literally changed my life. It was the first sport that inspired me got me motivated. I had played other sports before, but for some reason football resonated with me and it helped me loose a lot of weight and put me on the path of a healthy lifestyle. It also is the reason I became socially active and not just a couch potato playing video games.
I later coached my younger brother throughout his youth football, and that was some of the most fun I’ve ever had on a sports field.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
I’m sure this was a fun exercise for those involved. Now you’ll excuse me while I continue to not give a fuck what Buzz Bissinger and Malcolm Gladwell think of college football while I get jacked up for the upcoming season.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Pretty sure all the Ivies still have football, though at a much lower level. Boston U, NYU and U of Chicago have all dropped for one reason or another, among others (several big city Big East schools for instance).
I also dont think ending college football would necessarily mean the end of college sports – college basketball would be the new king and although wouldnt bring in the same revenue it should still be able to break even at many schools if not fund other non-revenue sports. I mean schools like Butler, Gonzaga, etc. have fully functioning athletic departments don’t they?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:23 PM
Just legalize Marijuana but ban football players from using it. The game will slow down (thasss raycess) and my money can stop going to my ex coworker and can go to a huge corporation. The way things were meant to be.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Agreed. Also Duffy was spot on in this post.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Did anybody offer the most conclusive argument possible to the ban college football crowd?
It’s real simple – Shut The Fuck Up.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Now you’ll excuse me while I continue to not give a fuck what Buzz Bissinger and Malcolm Gladwell think of college football while I get jacked up for the upcoming season.
Fuck yeah!!!
/headbutts Husker Dawg.
//Receives Grade I concussion.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:27 PM
i dont get the big deal anyways…we all die. these guys just die quicker than us non-gifted individuals.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Southeast North Dakota University
i saw this in a dr. seuss story
May 9th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
From the Slate article:
/orders hit on Gladwell
May 9th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
The Nanny Staters strike again.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
I just have really good family memories of youth football.
I started playing football at 12, and it literally changed my life. It was the first sport that inspired me got me motivated. I had played other sports before, but for some reason football resonated with me and it helped me loose a lot of weight and put me on the path of a healthy lifestyle. It also is the reason I became socially active and not just a couch potato playing video games.
I later coached my younger brother throughout his youth football, and that was some of the most fun I’ve ever had on a sports field.
i get all that. i loved playing too, and all that goes with it. but we didn’t know now what we do then, and we also have kids to take care of
May 9th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
the american dick seems genuinely mystified that someone considered so brilliant wouldn’t be able to realize it.
but yea, the better tact is intellectual condescension.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
Jackass intellectuals like Gladwell give me and the rest of the intellectual community a bad name. Not all of us are jackasses.
/Goes back to filling jars
May 9th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
while I get jacked up for the upcoming season
you meeting skip at gold’s?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Awesome. Nazis will die today. Work will pile up.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
Yeah, because Canadians are completely rational and level-headed about all of their sports.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
but we didn’t know now what we do then,
nice
May 9th, 2012 at 2:35 PM
What would prohibition college football look like?
crazy auction salaries, steroids, human growth hormones, player gambling, coke off strippers half time, cottage abortion industry, gunning down the rival teams quarterback…
May 9th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Actually didnt I just see a study came out that said NFL players on average, live longer than the rest of Americans? Probably has to do with the majority of Americans being MORBIDLY OBSESE though.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Then there’s also the numbers aspect. If youth football is so dangerous, how come you don’t see hundreds of thousands of the general population with CTE?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
Beekeepers have huge egos.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
I think we should ban mining, logging, fishing, and steel making. You know, occupations where people actually die all the time, not whine about whether they might have some problems later.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
that and being phsyical marvels with freakish genetics.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
how come you don’t see hundreds of thousands of the general population with CTE?
can’t see cte until brain is sliced up, and anyway, how many need to have it before you’d be convinced that it’s too many?
May 9th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Funny, I heard the opposite (radio guy quoted some study) and thought “well, ex pro football players are probably on average way more obese than average joes, so that may partially explain it”.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
lots of people with depression though
May 9th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
how do you know there’s too many if you gotta slice up the brain to find out? you’re passive-aggressively leaping to conclusions.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Ilya BryzgaLOLv
May 9th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Nice write-up Duffy.
Banning college football sounds terrible. But if it somehow means Mike Patrick goes away for good I’ll at least consider it.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
would losing one’s job (and identity) in their early 30′s with no plan for the future be a medically accepted root of depression?
/serious question
May 9th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Obviously all of the media stories are NFL players, because nobody cares about Uncle Rico who only played in HS.
I’d be very interested in a three-prong study and how correlated the three different segments are to one another.
1) youth and HS players who did not play in college
2) HS and college players who did not play youth
3) NFL players who started in youth
May 9th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
here you go cj
May 9th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Well earned, my friend. Well earned.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
a better debate is whether HS football should be banned, had Al Bundy not been so wrapped up in Pol High popularity he may never have knocked up Peggy and been stuck selling women’s shoes.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
would losing one’s job (and identity) in their early 30′s with no plan for the future be a medically accepted root of depression?
yes, if that person blew all their money. if not, they are better off than many people for whom those conditions would cause depression
May 9th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Will you hang up and listen?
/seriously though, you made a a valid point
May 9th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
I’d be very interested in a three-prong study and how correlated the three different segments are to one another.
1) youth and HS players who did not play in college
2) HS and college players who did not play youth
3) NFL players who started in youth
i wouldn’t. here’s my study: getting hit in the head is worse than not getting hit in the head. no slideshow
May 9th, 2012 at 2:51 PM
this is why we need more guys like Lenny Dykstra to school professional athletes on the proper way to invest your money after retirement.
May 9th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
you’re passive-aggressively leaping to conclusions.
no i’m stream of consciousness writing, and honestly wondering how many is acceptable
May 9th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Good post, Duffy….
May 9th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
but we didn’t know now what we do then,
cue pedal steel and fiddle.
May 9th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
would losing one’s job (and identity) in their early 30′s with no plan for the future be a medically accepted root of depression?
i would say no, more of a “sleep in the bed you shit in” kind of logic. but, i dont know crap.
May 9th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Tell me this is a joke.
May 9th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I went to college because, as a I child, I went to a ton of college football games and wanted to be a part of that institution. It just so happened to be a school, but I’m the better for it. I don’t think I would have gone to college at all, otherwise.
May 9th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
ooh, lando you should go to the post about ND’s cleats from yesterday. lots of talk in there about college tradition and why kids go to certain schools
May 9th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Yes it would be better off but this is true only if society never had alcohol. Clearly the current generation at the time of the alcohol ban would struggle with this but if you grow up without alcohol you’re not going to miss.
/never had alcohol just for that reason.