Junior Seau Suffered Over 1,500 Concussions, Claims Former Teammate Gary Plummer
Gary Plummer was a linebacker on the San Diego Chargers in the early-90s, patrolling the middle with Junior Seau. (Plummer also played with the 49ers and won a Super Bowl).) The two were friends, and Seau’s suicide last week hit Plummer hard. Here’s what Plummer told Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News about concussions and football:
“In the 1990s, I did a concussion seminar. They said a Grade 3 concussion meant you were knocked out, and a Grade 1 meant you were seeing stars after a hit, which made me burst out in laughter. As a middle linebacker in the NFL, if you don’t have five of these (Grade 1 effects) each game, you were inactive the next game.
“Junior played for 20 years. That’s five concussions a game, easily. How many in his career then? That’s over 1,500 concussions. I know that’s startling, but I know it’s true. I had over 1,000 in my 15 years. I felt the effects of it. I felt depression going on throughout my divorce. Junior went through it with his divorce.”
Seau’s family initially said they would let his brain be examined, but now they seem to be reconsidering. [Mercury News]
Previously: Would you let your kids play football?
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May 7th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Not saying Seau didn’t suffer from a lot of them, but this dude’s math seems a bit shaky to me as it is based on pure guess work.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Probably, though it’s pretty reasonable to assume he suffered a large number of low-grade concussions that went undiagnosed, let alone the subconcussive impacts.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Again, that would be great if he sited that, rather than making up a number that he got out of his ass.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
sited = cited.
/fuck monday’s
May 7th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Stand back people. I took a seminar. I know what to do.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
yes, this is the dangerous part of the whole concussion thing. the small ones after which you keep playing, instead of the large ones that end your day and keep you out for awhile
practice and game concussion, minor ones. 1500 seems low.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Agreed with Gods of the Gridiron on this one.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
/fixed
May 7th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
I like what Randy Cross said on a radio show in ATL last week when he said he was for kids playing flag football until 9th grade. Of course this won’t happen, but it’s probably not a bad idea. He was also talking about how the old sleds used for tackling practiced relied on using your shoulder, but the ones that grew popular about 20 years ago used your head more than your shoulder.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
but the ones that grew popular about 20 years ago used your head more than your shoulder.
They changed the sled?
/graduated in the 90′s
/school was really poor
May 7th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Can we go back to this, because it’s a shame that this post was put up at 5pm on a Friday.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
if any football should be banned, it should be youth tackle. that way kids no matter what their parents want are not exposed to concussions until say 12. also, no kid would be ‘ahead’ of others fundamentally. physically, sure, but can’t ban growth
May 7th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
So you’d be in favor of having your kids jump into football right when it begins to get dangerous, without having any previous knowledge of how to play the game the right way?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
I guess they get a lot of readership after 5, because they put some really good, discussion-worthy posts up after that time.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Previously: Would you let your kids play football?
Can we go back to this, because it’s a shame that this post was put up at 5pm on a Friday.
yep. we’ll all pretty much say the same thing we did then
May 7th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
bullshit. Gary Plummer can’t even count to 1500.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
I was under the impression that they would be taught the right way, but the games would be flag football. Could be wrong, though.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
No, god-willing any potential spawn of mine will also be a lefty and his future will be in relief-pitching
May 7th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Can we go back to this, because it’s a shame that this post was put up at 5pm on a Friday.
My future son will not be playing football.
/found out I might be having one this fall
May 7th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
How would they be taught proper tackling and running into contact technique in a flag football league?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I guess they get a lot of readership after 5, because they put some really good, discussion-worthy posts up after that time.
Well, if there is a lot readers there sure aren’t a lot of commenters.
/RIP TBLAD
May 7th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Ok, then since I missed the post, I’ll rewrite what I wrote Sat morning.
“Not letting your son play football because you’re afraid of him developing brain damage is akin to not letting him go outside when it’s raining because you’re afraid he’ll get struck by lightening.
My son is 2, and I can’t wait until he’s old enough to play football. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I just don’t believe that the repetitive collision risks that NFL (and top-level college players) take are present in Pop Warner and HS.”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
bullshit. Gary Plummer can’t even count to 1500.
How’s his spelling? Maybe we should start him with ‘cat’ and spot him the ‘c’ and the ‘t’.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Jake Plummer > Gary Plummer
May 7th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
We put a man on the moon. I assume this sort of minutiae can be figured out.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
One of the benefits of having chicks…soccer scholarships for all!
May 7th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
1500?! How would someone even come up with this number?
Also, Clay/Dirt’s baby wins the internet.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Christopher Plummer > Jake Plummer > Gary Plummer
May 7th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
How would they be taught proper tackling and running into contact technique in a flag football league?
Have you seen an NFL or College game lately? They obviously are not teaching this now.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Make that golf scholarships and I agree with you.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
It’s not minutiae, it’s muscle memory and muscle development as well.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
My son is 2, and I can’t wait until he’s old enough to play football. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I just don’t believe that the repetitive collision risks that NFL (and top-level college players) take are present in Pop Warner and HS.”
please explain, or i must call you irresponsible without all information gathered
May 7th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
ah, the Huffy Puffy Duffy solution to the college football “problem.”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
I would suggest doing a little more research. No snark.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
I’ll let my kids stick with soccer.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
link?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Wholeheartly agree. Stop blaming the concussions then. I’ve said many times on this site, that I think half of the dangerous hits we see on Sun would be eliminated if they added a rugby type rule that the tackler has to make an attempt to wrap the ballcarrier.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
This is all just a big ruse fronted by the soccer elite.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Well, if there is a lot readers there sure aren’t a lot of commenters.
/RIP TBLAD
JMac has hinted, I think, in the past that there are far far far more people who visit the site without ever commenting. We who actually discuss the posts/talk about whatever the hell we want in the comments are in the minority here (or the elite, as I like to think of it). So if they are putting good posts at those times and over the weekend, I have to think there is a reason for doing so.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Yes.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Here you go.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
One of the benefits of having chicks…soccer scholarships for all!
Make that golf scholarships and I agree with you.
half schollies you mean
May 7th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Liquid-Plumr* > Christopher Plummer > Jake Plummer > Gary Plummer
* = Wife and daughter both have long hair.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Liquid Plumr > Christopher Plummer > Jake Plummer > Gary Plummer > Joe the Plumber
I’d let a kid, if I had one, play football. But I’d also let him become a stevedore or an underwater welder or an environmental extremist.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
I hope my daughter will want to play a sport. Whether it’s something I can teach her (soccer or tennis) or another sport that makes no difference, but sports are so good for kids to participate in.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
This is a whole bunch of booshit. The comedy awards were pretty good last night, though.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
link?
Here you go.
That’s quite a stylish pose there.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Also, Clay/Dirt’s baby wins the internet.
link?
new dad, ready to throw down
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
God damn you Wayne Fontes.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
JMac has hinted, I think, in the past that there are far far far more people who visit the site without ever commenting. MS
I have no doubt about that. There are only what… about 30 – 40 regular commenters? I remember when he always used to bury Lisk’s NFL columns after 5:00. There must have been a reason.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
That’s the way it is with every single site on the internet. My question is what are their numbers at 2 pm EST compared to 6 pm EST.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Most dangerous level is high school football where you have absolute monsters playing against normal high school kids. 150lbs 17 year old safeties trying to tackle Glen Davis.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
As a person with long hair, may I suggest getting one of those plastic drain covers that catch hair? The one I have suctions right over the top of the drain and still lets in enough water so that the tub doesn’t fill up during my shower.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
So if they are putting good posts at those times and over the weekend, I have to think there is a reason for doing so.
we’ve asked lisk about this–they are usually lisk posts–and he has not mentioned this
May 7th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Wait so the divorces had nothing to do with depression?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
The participation numbers for youth football has been very high for multiple generations. Why don’t you have hundreds of thousands of Joe Six Packs walking around punch drunk?
I just don’t see the excessive dangers of supervised, well coached football.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
That’s the way it is with every single site on the internet. My question is what are their numbers at 2 pm EST compared to 6 pm EST.
I don’t know. But if they were willing to share them, and I don’t see why that would be privileged information, then that might shed some light on the posting schedule.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
I think I would be depressed if I spent 2 hours trying to tackle Glen Davis.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
150lbs 17 year old safeties trying to tackle Glen Davis.
I was a 165 lb D-end and and tight end. They preferred to have me at OLB, but I tore my rotator cuff arm tackling 250 lb running backs. We weren’t very good. Our biggest player, well 2nd biggest player was our QB.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
As a person with long hair, may I suggest getting one of those plastic drain covers that catch hair? The one I have suctions right over the top of the drain and still lets in enough water so that the tub doesn’t fill up during my shower.
Who makes it? Clarkman?
/Hernia
May 7th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
a) traffic prime time is usually 11-3 pm.
b) posts aren’t “buried” but rather posted based on other news and when they are done
c) there’s zero correlation between comments on a post and traffic on a post.
d) this is a top 5 traffic post for 2012 so far: http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/04/27/the-brooklyn-nets-logo-and-apparel-has-been-unveiled-and-its-outstanding/
May 7th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
And you attribute this to concusssions? I’m guessing there have been quite a few people who have “felt depression” during a divorce.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
There’s the question to ask. By that time, most people (save West Coasters) are home. I rarely look at this site in the evenings anymore with the death of TBLAD. Guess I must be in the minority
May 7th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
if they added a rugby type rule that the tackler has to make an attempt to wrap the ballcarrier.
i told you saturday i liked that idea, but only if violations were punished severely, like ejection. but unless there are rule changes, it is dumb to expose your children to concussions too soon. let’s call it the Concussion Clock, like arbitration
May 7th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
I watched some of that. Do you know that name of that buxom blonde that was accompanied by that idiot with his head through the giant white toast? She may have had glasses.
/don rickles = legend
May 7th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
This whole TBL – Lisk dynamic is interesting. It’s like if Donovan McNabb were the starting QB for the Packers with Rodgers in the backup role.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
ugh. The more I see the Nets new logo the more I hate it.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
This was my thinking. The dude had issues. Was it due to brain trauma? It certainly could have been. It could also have been that what he had done for 30 years was over and he didn’t know how to handle that. Then you add that in with the fact that he was divorced (once or twice, I’m not sure) and you see how someone could be depressed. The immediate rush to be the first to blame CTE and concussions is a classic case of how the internet and twitter has helped chip away at proper journalism. Now all we do is speculate because people want to be the first to say, “see, I told you this before anyone else did.”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
I was a 165 lb D-end and and tight end.
7-man football! rural america is quirky
May 7th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
a) traffic prime time is usually 11-3 pm.
That’s interesting. I figured it would have been in the morning up until lunch.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
How about you throw us dogs a bone and keep the juicy posts between 11-3?
Kthnxbai.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Who knows. Cuthbert is getting hotter. Fuck that asshat Sean Avery.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
I was a 165 lb D-end and and tight end.
7-man football! rural america is quirky
Fresh/Soph years were Eight Man. Jr./Sr. years were eleven man. They went back to eight man a few years after I graduated.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Exactly my point.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
“shit if you weren’t shot in the face three times a patrol, you weren’t an army ranger. JUST DO THE MATH…if you were a ranger for 500 patrols, you were shot in the face 1,500 times. can’t argue with math.”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Then I re-state my opinion that it would be great if those thought provoking, interesting pieces were withheld until the next day unless they are related to breaking news.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
I watched The Girl Next Door a couple times last week. HBO was running it a lot and I thank them.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
My thoughts exactly. Just because a guy smiles in public doesn’t mean he was a happy man when he was alone at night.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I played 9-man in HS and played safety. At 5’6 150, I got my clock cleaned at least once a game by a TE or FB coming out to block.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
i played DL on the practice squad as a barely-pubescent fat kid with no motivation towards football…i got my clock cleaned every other play. it was awesome, in hindsight.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Fuck Alejandro de Aza, who plays like Willie Mays against the Tribe and Willie Mays Aiken’s athletically challenged brother against the rest of the league.
/Fuck the Meth Sox in general
May 7th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
All of this. Everyone came out and said, “he was just so happy all of the time.” Newsflash, happy people don’t kill themselves. Just because some dude wasn’t publicly saying he was suicidal doesn’t mean all is well. Each person in this world is lucky to have 1 other person they can confide in no matter what the subject is. Think about it. How many people do you know that you would talk about ANYTHING with? If you have more than one I’d say you’re pretty damn lucky. We rarely know the people we think we know the most.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
the best thing to teach young tacklers is to not get their helmets hit by a knee. i can remember at least two grade 1s from that. legs are powerful, knees are hard
May 7th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Zack Attack ain’t looking to good eh? How was Ubaldo yesterday? Stat line looked solid. Tribe really needs some production out of 1B.
/We are all Kipnises
May 7th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
OT…anyone else get scared by stupid shit they know is 99.9% rooted in retarded and yet, that 0.1% freaks you out anyways?
for example…i know that metal in a microwave that isn’t on won’t spark and shit, but when i was getting my trader joes burrito out of the microwave just now, i grabbed it with the hand i was holding my silverware with and suddenly was gripped with fear. thought my hand was going to blow up and i wouldn’t be able to play anymore golf.
freaked me out it did.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Shatner, I really enjoyed your piece on your “In Defense Of Junior” piece. Well done.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Love that movie. Was Louie taking shots at Tosh last night? He referenced to his not being funny in both his acceptance speeches. Do they have some kind of comic beef or something?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
wally, dunn is almost at his RBI total for last year. i know you know, it’s just fun to type. not sure what they’re doing with Sale.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
A few years ago my friend Chris took his own life. No one even thought it was a possibility, even though he was a cop. We spent months afterwards going over everything we’ve ever done, thinking if there was anything we could have done differently to stop it. It brought us all closer together in the end.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
The talk is that he’s currently feeling elbow soreness but if that’s the case I say put him on the DL any not waste his talents in the bullpen
This whole season has been annoying as all get out thus far, Dunn and Peavy are producing and they’re still mediocre…I blame Brent Morel
May 7th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Thanks Brawny. That means a lot. I appreciate it, man.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
How many people do you know that you would talk about ANYTHING with? If you have more than one I’d say you’re pretty damn lucky.
i know a lot of people who would listen. not sure about ‘talk about’. but from what i hear about people who need to talk to people, all they need is someone to listen
/i never knew my father
//australian accent
///nemo
////i did know my father actually
May 7th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
this. I mean, that baby’s cute…don’t get me wrong. but he’s got nothing on my baby.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Also, did anyone watch the video with Marcellus Wiley on OTL? A very sad, touching conversation, but at one point he said Seau texted him, “I love you dat dude.” Does Wiley seriously still refer to himself as that stupid fucking nickname? Do his friends go along with him and actually call him that?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Not to break up the enlightening conversation, but this has to be shared with the gentlemen on here: Remember Larissa Riquelme from the World Cup?
Yeah….NSFW
May 7th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Does Wiley seriously still refer to himself as that stupid fucking nickname? Do his friends go along with him and actually call him that?
God, I hope so.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
that’s really the hardest part. if there weren’t apprehension as to whom was listening, then the issues wouldn’t be difficult to talk about.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Makes sense…these are the hours when the entire US is at work.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Love it.
Seriously…can you imagine trying to pull that with your friends? “Hey, I think I wanna be called ‘dat dude.;”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Exactly right.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
yes because that’d be the least outrageous of the nicknames ive come up with for myself.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
I know the feeling. I was re-caulking* the master bathroom this weekend and while I was stripping the old caulk, I kept having this scene rolling through my head where the wall is soft from water intrusion and I lean on it and fall through. then, I’d never be able to sell the house. there’s no history or evidence of leakage, but that didn’t stop me from replaying my nightmare over and over.
*no coop
May 7th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Love it.
Did watch the accompanying video? It’s mesmerizing.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
this. I mean, that baby’s cute…don’t get me wrong. but he’s got nothing on my baby.
don’t click my name then miz, cuz you’ll lose
May 7th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Older comedian, I wanna say Dana Carvey, with a similar line about Sting.
“Guys, I want you to start calling me Sting.”
“Yeah, sure, whatever Gordon.”
May 7th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
believe it or not miz, im actually relieved you echoed that sentiment. makes me feel less batshitty.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
I kept having this scene rolling through my head where the wall is soft from water intrusion and I lean on it and fall through. then, I’d never be able to sell the house
I love that your fear is not that you might hurt yourself, but that you may hurt your house’s resale value. As someone with a mortgage, I also fully understand this point of view.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
I did not.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
How do I say this… you smoke too much weed, man.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
or maybe, just maybe, you don’t smoke enough. hmm?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Don’t listen to her Spencer. You toke that jeffrey for those of us who chose hot asian trim over weed.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
this spliff’s for you, husker.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
that’s really the hardest part. if there weren’t apprehension as to whom was listening, then the issues wouldn’t be difficult to talk about.
Exactly right.
i’ve had a charmed life
/knocks wood
May 7th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
I was never a spliff fan. Why ruin great weed with nasty tobacco?
May 7th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
i use spliff in an american sense, no tobacco. i never got it either…the euros say it’s cuz that much chronic gets em too blasted.
all things considered, they’re not exactly wrong.
May 7th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
i thought spliff was nickname for roach
May 7th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
MS – gracias for providing that link. You always provide boobs at the perfect time.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
MS – The Boob Czar of TBL
May 7th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
My first trip to Amsterdam we were “those guys” due to being young, American and high as shit the entire time. At one point a fairly attractive bartender comes over and starts talking to us and she asks why weren’t smoking “the Dutch way” (cutting it with tobacco). We all just kind of laugh it off and said we don’t roll that way. She rolled her eyes and said that’s what every American does and said it’s too much weed for them. Of course we each had our own blunt which is absurd and were giggling like school boys looking a Playboy. I’m sure they were annoyed, but we couldn’t have cared less at that point.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Spliff was originally just a synonym for joint. Evidently the younger generations have assigned it a co-equal meaning with blunt.
/Retires to downstairs library
May 7th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
hardly…a blunt is a tobacco wrap, a spliff is chronic mixed with rolling tobacco, an 096 is a bong rip with a dip in.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
I always thought spliff was when you mix tobacco and weed. A blunt is using a cigar wrapper as the holding vessel.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
We got our roommate in college to take bong rips of cloves once. That looked so painful. We also got him to take a shot of bong water once because he didn’t have any cash and wanted to smoke some of the other roomies’ weed. His face when it hit his tastebuds made me gag a little bit.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
I just threw up in my mouth
May 7th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Spencer, you see where Matt Hinton joined CBS Eye on CFB team? Awesome hire. Seems almost below where he should be, though.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
aside from the inescapable occasion where you taste a little water, i couldn’t imagine actually drinking any. just horrible.
how old/stale was the water?
/remember kiddos…change the water daily
May 7th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Husker: reading that story made me gag a little bit.
Damn all this talk makes me want to smoke (cigarettes, not weed). I am trying to remember why I quit…
May 7th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
pitch fucking black. It was old and has been used often. We thought there was no way he’d do it, but I think he sensed that and called what he thought was a bluff (it was to start with). We then counter-called his bluff and watched it play out . So gross.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
I know I’m late to the discussion and haven’t read it all, but …
It would be very difficult to teach the hitting part of the game in flag.
Unfortunately, if you have good coaches, that teach good technique, 3rd/4th grade is probably the sweet spot. It’s more about speed and this is the point at which you start seeing sub 5.0 times. This is when you want them to start hitting with proper technique – injuries are not very likely.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
MS – The Boob Czar of TBL
I do nothing special. I just see exquisite female forms and choose to share them with others who can appreciate them.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
a) disgusting
b) i hope you realize how disgusting that is
c) you and the others are horrible friends
May 7th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
. I’m sure they were annoyed, but we couldn’t have cared less at that point.
so funny. when we were freshmen/sophomores and on occasion hang with seniors who were older brothers, the contrast of giggling and playing it cool was alwasy a thing
May 7th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
Damn all this talk makes me want to smoke (cigarettes, not weed). I am trying to remember why I quit…
Whenever I consider taking the habit back up again, I just remember that both of my grandfathers died of smoking related illness and that my grandmother and aunt both have had health issues directly and indirectly related to their former smoking habits. That’s usually enough to keep me from picking up a pack.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
You know, if Chik Fil A could make an Italian dressing for their salad that doesn’t look like and have consistency of mucous, I’d be ok with that.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
We also got him to take a shot of bong water once because he didn’t have any cash and wanted to smoke some of the other roomies’ weed. His face when it hit his tastebuds made me gag a little bit.
aside from the inescapable occasion where you taste a little water, i couldn’t imagine actually drinking any. just horrible.
how old/stale was the water?
/remember kiddos…change the water daily
careful now. i’ll alert the auhtorities with your full name
/sorry ms, that’s a better meme than ‘who cares?’
May 7th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
I was under the impression that they would be taught the right way, but the games would be flag football. Could be wrong, though.
My son played flag last year and will do so again for the foreseeable future. Plenty of parents are dying to move their kids to tackle though.
Some of the things will translate, some will not. Our flag rules are basically wild, wild west. Everyone is eligible receiver/runner, but designated QB cannot run past the line of scrimmage with the ball. There is no rush, but defenders can cross the line of scrimmage once a ball is handed off/pitched/passed. QB’s have 5 seconds to get the ball out of their hands from the snap.
What’s missing: Blocking, Tackling.
What’s present, and probably even better than tackle at this age: running routes, learning angles, playing cornerback is very difficult (think about having to cover the outside, while also worrying about reverses coming back your way), getting in position to tackle, passing the ball. My son was installed as the QB of his team last year, and was basically going to his third and fourth read, learning to read safeties who were playing zone defense. In tackle at this age, where half the kids don’t know what they are doing, it is a lot of running. We were probably over 50% runs too, but those were misdirections, dives when the ends widened out too much, and reverses.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
For the discussion – my kids will play golf, baseball, soccer in that order. And I might force a boy to be lefthanded.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
This is the same friend we made piss on himself in France. We were driving from Paris to Normandy and we were at a gas station and told everyone to piss if they needed to. He said he was cool. Not 15 min down the road he’s all, “I gotta piss.” We told him no and said he could piss in a bottle. My friend then starts gunning it and slamming on the brakes (on the interstate) while he’s pissing and he gets it all over himself. Good times.
I remember my first time smoking. I went into it saying, “don’t laugh. Just don’t be that guy.” All I could do was laugh. My abs hurt for like 3 days afterwards.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Their dressing are all garbage. It’s what keeps them from scoring a perfect 10 in my book.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Maybe now, but long before you ever picked up a bubbler hippies were burning “spliffs” that were nothing but weed.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
I am a leftie and I hope to god this kid (if it’s a boy) is a leftie. I am going to exploit that part so much.
/until wife steps in.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
careful now. i’ll alert the auhtorities with your full name
/sorry ms, that’s a better meme than ‘who cares?’
No it’s funny to be sure, but let’s keep its use minimal because having to explain it would mean having to out someone in the comment section again. Which wouldn’t be fair.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Gary Plummer should have been on Cheers.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
The last thing my dad ever did under his own power was smoke a butt and eat half a donut.
So, naturally, I smoked like a chimney. Because I’m a dumbass.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
NOBODY EVER SMOKED BEFORE I STARTED IN HISTORY EVER.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
You know, if Chik Fil A could make an Italian dressing for their salad that doesn’t look like and have consistency of mucous, I’d be ok with that.
Gotta go with the Thousand Island – surprisingly compatible with the chicken parts.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Their dressing are all garbage. It’s what keeps them from scoring a perfect 10 in my book.
The Italian tastes fine, it’s appearance is what is lacking. But once you mix it altogether, I can get past how it looks coming out of the plastic bag thing.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
I think I read an article in SI a few years ago that basically said that QBs who grew up playing 7-man football are more advanced because of this exact reason.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
/Looks up in downstairs library
//Sees Raven tap-tap-tapping at cellar door
///Oh, it’s just Spencer
////puff puff puff
May 7th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Just like playing in traffic there is no right way to do so if not getting run over by a car is important to you. Now if you don’t get mind getting run over once in a while then sure taking a class on how to safely play in traffic will help.
Point is there is no safe way to play tackle football if your mental health later in life is something you find important.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Gotta go with the Thousand Island – surprisingly compatible with the chicken parts.
Duly noted. I’ll try that next time.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Lisk is clearly the dad from Friday Night Lights.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
I am a leftie and I hope to god this kid (if it’s a boy) is a leftie. I am going to exploit that part so much.
As soon as he starts throwing a ball, break his right arm. I negotiated this with my wife for our first born but she wouldn’t budge.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Gross. Mayo mixed with ketchup is not my cup of tea.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
They are $7+ a pack here, which makes me glad i quit. I used to be a pack a day, but that was when I could get a carton for less than $30. Also the being healthier stuff helps.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
that’s total bullshit…you can be a kicker.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
/Looks up in downstairs library
//Sees Raven tap-tap-tapping at cellar door
That’s still the best Treehouse of Horrors. Having James Earl Jones read the poem was a stroke of genius.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
/offended that i was compared to a raven
//fucking team stealers
May 7th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Then I re-state my opinion that it would be great if those thought provoking, interesting pieces were withheld until the next day unless they are related to breaking news.
The next day in this case was Saturday, so I requested it go on Friday. In this particular case, it was something I had in the hopper to work on for Thursday, then Terrell Suggs happened the next day and I did a post on that. By the time I got back to that Seau piece, it was Friday morning, and I actually struggled with that one and spent time and finished it in afternoon. Add in Phil Mushnick happening. Could we have held it until Monday? That’s a judgment call. You never know how the interest will run by then if you hold a piece another 72 hours.
But this wasn’t something that just sat around for a while and then posted on Friday. I write lots of things. I appreciate the support to run it at a different time, and sure, I would have loved to have had it ready on a Wednesday afternoon instead. There’s no doubt that it would have been held til the next day in such a case. We’ve done that frequently. Friday/Saturday, though, is different.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
God dammit, Junior!! Didn’t you see they were running a zone scheme disguised as a man-to-man blitz? You gotta hit that seam route when they do that!! Now get me a beer, and do 1,000 pushups for MISSING THE DAMN READ!! Hook ‘em.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
But kickers aren’t football players
/Peyton Manning’d
May 7th, 2012 at 2:23 PM
Gross overreaction.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
you sir, have debunked my stance with one fell swoop.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Probably should have gone with “Charge of the Light Brigade,” really.
Graffix to the right of them
Graffix to the left of them
Graffix behind them
Burbled and thunder’d
May 7th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
+1 GP
May 7th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
The problem with football is not form tackling… its a basic law of physics problem which we’re not finding a way around anytime soon.
A job that involves your brain shaking around in your skull like a snow glo is less good for your brain than one that doesn’t. Sure not everyone gets early onset Alzheimers but your odds are exponentially increased no matter how well everyone tackles (albeit still way under 100%).
When you decide to play football its only prudent to be honest about the potential consequences.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Coming on the heels of Hernia’s “Oh Captain my Captain” reference earlier and Duffy’s analysis of Sylvia Plath in the Mad Men post, I’d say this place is becoming quite the literary center.
/swirls brandy around in glass
//farts
May 7th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I think I read an article in SI a few years ago that basically said that QBs who grew up playing 7-man football are more advanced because of this exact reason.
It does help. Along with an ex-NFL player to help, that’s where my kid really learned how to play QB. That’s also where he (CB) and the safety learned to play defense. They essentially ignored the DB coach 75% of the time when calling coverages.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
the stench of methane and fecal matter stuck to the air like cordite on a battlefield. the odoriferous cloud rose like a brown phoenix streaking through the sky, assailing the nostrils of all whom dared an inquisitive sniff.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
but let’s keep its use minimal
let’s do
May 7th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
The last thing my dad ever did under his own power was smoke a butt and eat half a donut.
So, naturally, I smoked like a chimney. Because I’m a dumbass.
but you never touch donuts
May 7th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
I thought flag football was best when you ran the option. Have things changed?
/Last played in 2003.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
I’ll restate what I said in the Friday comments.
Go watch a HS/MS from the sidelines. Not from the stands.
Then decide if you would like your son to play football. Both mine have played. I wouldn’t change that for anything. In fact, spring practice starts for my youngest today.
But from the sidelines, you can really see the violence.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
You could always get an easy 5 yards once per drive by rocking the hard count. You could also march down the field by using delayed routes by your lineman.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
the stench of methane and fecal matter stuck to the air like cordite on a battlefield. the odoriferous cloud rose like a brown phoenix streaking through the sky, assailing the nostrils of all whom dared an inquisitive sniff.
Spencer, write a book. It doesn’t even matter what it’s about.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
I thought flag football was best when you ran the option. Have things changed?
You’ve got dad’s coaching like it’s the NFL. They’ve never seen a real flag football playbook with a 15 yd shotgun and a single play with 8 laterals. It’s not what you and I think of as flag.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
can, like, just anyone write a book?
May 7th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Yup. You can also probably get it published if you want to go about it yourself. I’ve thought about writing stuff like that for some time. I need to just do it. NDub is trying to do some screenwriting stuff I think. Props to him for that.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Gotcha. When I played, we’d see some teams that would just wing it, maybe with a basic route tree, but certainly nothing complex (usually ended up being everyone deep). If you come at them with options and a few organized routes, you could run them of the field.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
can, like, just anyone write a book?
You can write anything you want at whatever length you want. The question is will anyone want to read it.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:55 PM
probably not, but that’s the way i’d want it.
May 7th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
I think I’d at least read the chapter on Flacco.
May 7th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Who cares if anyone reads it? You could do what plenty of (wealthy) charlatans do and just buy copies of your own work in bulk. The dude who wrote “A Child Called It” did that with his stuff forever, stayed on the Bestseller list for like 15 years.
May 7th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Gotcha. When I played, we’d see some teams that would just wing it, maybe with a basic route tree, but certainly nothing complex (usually ended up being everyone deep). If you come at them with options and a few organized routes, you could run them of the field.
You can’t have a complex playbook, maybe 5-7 total different plays. The defenses are definitely vanilla– 4/3 zone with 3 deep safeties or 5/2 with a nose tackle (to stop the dives) two linebackers, and two corners. Man to man doesn’t work very often.
But the routes, yes, they are more than just, “go out, turnaround”. For example, team we played last week was having the outside receiver run slants, inside receiver run wheel routes, hoping corners followed the slant. That was over half their passing plays out of that same basic concept. And these are second graders. If you took a team out there and basically drew plays up in the dirt, you would get run.
May 7th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
im going to write a joe flacco illustrated children’s book designed help young adults learn how to make decisions quickly and clearly.
May 7th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
im going to write a joe flacco illustrated children’s book designed help young adults learn how to make decisions quickly and clearly.
For all the eyebrows you’ll need to draw, makes sure you have several black Sharpie’s ready.
May 7th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
I played full-tackle football from sixth grade through 12th, and all those concussions I undoubtedly suffered no doubt explain my own fragile grasp of reality*.
* – Thinks Zappa sux
/ Taps nose, nods at Spencer