Junior Seau Was A Football Player
I’m going to be a football player. That’s what my son said to my wife and I when asked about his current career aspirations a little over a week ago. When told that he probably needed a backup plan, he said, no, I’m going to be a football player.
Junior Seau was a football player.
For close to thirty years of his life, from high school to being an All-American at USC to a 20-year career in the NFL, he was a football player. If we exclude kickers and other specialists, he is among the top ten all-time in games started in NFL history. Given the position he played, and the passion with which he played, it is possible that he took and delivered just about as many hits as anyone ever.
He was a football player, and hung on as a football player for as long as he could. He went through winning seasons and losing seasons. He always played hard–he played the right way. You can define him in any number of ways, but I think the 2000 season, right in the middle of his career, is a pretty good one to isolate. He had been near the pinnacle when the Chargers went to a Super Bowl. He had been through hard times and then saw the team draft the supposed savior, Ryan Leaf, in 1998. By 2000, that promise had largely been extinguished already, and the team struggled through a 1-15 season, when they went 1-8 in close games. Still, there was Seau, selected as a first team all pro on a team that was a disaster.
Halfway through that impossibly hopeless season, he signed an extension, and said, “‘God willing, you will see Junior Seau be a deep-snapper if he can be. They’re going to have to drag me out of here.” For nine more years, they could not drag him out. He was a football player, even as he transitioned to a veteran influence and more of a supporting role, he was a football player.
The news this week that Junior Seau committed suicide at age 43 sent shockwaves throughout the country. We can be somewhat insulated in our own personal world of sports on the internet. At my son’s practice Wednesday, along the sidelines as we watched, it was a major topic of discussion. This is not typical; I never heard anyone talking Bountygate or other NFL stories that permeate a news cycle, but Seau was at the forefront here in middle America.
The family has decided to have Junior Seau’s brain studied, to see if there were any effects from concussions. Whether it was manifesting itself in behavior or not, I would be surprised if his brain looked like a typical 43-year old brain, just as I would be surprised if a person that hung sheet rock for twenty years had the same fingers of a typical man, or a thirty year trial lawyer had the liver tissue of a typical person. We’ll see just how different, and I’m sure we’ll hear stories about his behavior in recent years. I’m not sure we’ll ever know.
Lots of jobs and choices in life come with risks. The scary part about the brain injury stuff, though, is that the brain is THE organ that comprises our sense of self and identity. It is the most important organ for a football player, even as we marvel at the physical traits. It’s also the most important organ, period. We know that physiological changes can lead to personality changes. I, for one, have seen the effects of Alzheimer’s personally in my family. It is not fun to see someone you know well change.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot in recent months, before this news broke, and had not put it down. Part of me wonders if we were made to play football for 25 to 30 years of life, or even 20. Before 1950, it was rare that players continued football into their thirties. Many stars didn’t pursue careers after college. Professionalism expanded as we entered and then left the 1960′s, the money increased, the size increased, and we are just now seeing those players grow old. Medical technology advanced–we could rebuild knees and shoulders and ankles better than ever. When a knee or elbow blew out, you saw it, you fixed it. There is no Dr. Jobe for the brain.
We’re at a scary spot. Nothing is certain. As a parent, you don’t insist on a 5% confidence interval to make decisions. You don’t ask for thirty years worth of data.
Kurt Warner was on the Dan Patrick Show, and expressed an opinion that you are likely to hear frequently.
“Scares me. They both have the dream, like Dad, to play in the NFL. When you hear things like the bounty and when you undersatnd the size, the speed, the violence of the game, and you couple that with Junior Seau and was that a [ramification] of playing all those years … it’s a scary thing for me.”
Dan said if he had sons, would he want them not to play. “Yes,” Warner said, “there’s no question in my mind.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson said “it is not length of life, but depth of life.” As parents, we can’t control everything, and we certainly want our kids to experience the depths. I’ve been thinking about this a fair amount, after my father passed away unexpectedly. He lived a deep life, even if we thought he would be around longer. But we can’t ultimately control what happens. You can do everything “right” and not control it. Car accidents, disease, unexpected problems, we can’t control it, we can only do our best, and hope that they can live a long life with the depth we provide.
Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated wrote an excellent piece earlier this week, and said “[i]f it remains as dangerous as it is today, I’m installing a basketball hoop.” I’ve got news for Andy, though, you may install a basketball hoop, and they may play every other sport, and you may want them to be a LOOGY instead. They still might be a football player. Boys are drawn to it.
I say this because I may be the parent of a football player.
I can’t say, right now, that I would never let my child play. I can say that I will be vigilant and informed. He begged us to play last fall, and our compromise was that it had to be flag football at his age. He took to it like a fish to water, seemed to embrace the intricacies and strategy of it compared to other sports. He plays other sports, but he begged us to play spring touch 7 on 7 football to get more practice.
My hope is that we make the sport safer, study it more, and that this does not turn into the epidemic that it has the potential to become, as we are just now on the cusp of retired players who played in the 16 game era, in an era when passing and big hits on receivers became more frequent. Rather than say “never”, I want to say, “better.”
Junior Seau was a football player. He was a great player, and a player who had a career that embodied all that is inspiring about the game. If I am the parent of a football player, I just want my son to be something else as well, to find his depth. We may only have so many hits in us, then we need to move on before it’s too late.
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May 4th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Lisk, you’re a total pro.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Well written, nice stuff dude.
/get your son a pair of skates
May 4th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
awesome post Lisk. Love reading your columns like this.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
I really enjoyed this post Lisk.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
make him a punter/PK
May 4th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
Lisk is the best. As a parent of two small boys, I know there’s going to be tough decisions ahead. If you ask my right now, I’d say there’s no way they’re playing football, but who knows when they actually get to that age.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
I’m certainly glad you have a platform, Jason Lisk.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:10 PM
this is the kind of article that needs to be posted when everyone on the site will see it.
great article, Lisk.
I don’t think we can ever stop people from playing, but with young kids they need to learn the game as much as they need to learn the game is not the only option for them.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Bravo Lisk.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:11 PM
My hope is that we make the sport safer, study it more,
i just don’t see any edning to this problem other than parents/kids accepting the risks and making a decision. there will still be enough people taking the risk for us to enjoy watching football saturdays, sundays, mondays and thursdays.
what more can they discover? being hit in the head repeatedly is bad. period
May 4th, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Had he played special teams, I guess he would have been the gunner.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Fantastic stuff. If I have sons, I won’t want them to play, but I won’t stop them. I will make sure I know what type of men their coaches are. The “rub some dirt on it” mentality I grew up with is scary stuff, as was coaches asking you to see their “team physician” when you had an injury. Thanks for having to need that steel rod in my arm, Mr. Removable Plastic Cast.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Cheers, Lisk.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Well put, as usual
May 4th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
i think sooner rather than later the NFL has to mandate a certain level of head protection with the helmets.
make ‘em big, awkward looking and safe if you have to.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:17 PM
more damaging than the ktfo hits are the seeing-stars hits that happen much more frequently. they are more dangerous because not only are they concussions, albeit low-level, you stay in the game or practice, ready for more of them
those that played…think about all the times you saw stars, had to shake your head to clear the cobwebs, lost a second between hitting a dude and hitting the ground
May 4th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
i think sooner rather than later the NFL has to mandate a certain level of head protection with the helmets.
make ‘em big, awkward looking and safe if you have to.
kaiser the players will only use safer equipment to take more risks. pads have gotten smaller, players bigger and faster.
if my kid plays it won’t be until high school, at which point he may or may not be far behind the kids who started in 3rd grade
matt bowen once told me, a kid is not going to win a scholly or make the pros because of what he learned in youth football.
youth football should be banned before HS, college or pros
May 4th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
I hope you’re joking.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:22 PM
/get your son a pair of skates
I hope you’re joking.
yep, he forgot, ‘and goalie equipment’
ballz i saw the alex zanardi story update on hbo sports this morning. i thought he had to have his legs amuptated after the crash. i know different now. crazy images and stories from the on-track emergency physicians
May 4th, 2012 at 5:24 PM
I think you’d have some that do that but i’m also willing to bet most of the concussions come not from impacting with another player, but impacting the ground on some routine plays when you hit just right.
it would be great if they mandate an open field tackle requires you to wrap him up rather than knocking him off his feet.. but that’s a fundamental that should be taught anyway…
May 4th, 2012 at 5:26 PM
This post sucked and you’re a horrible dresser.
/trying to break up the mood
May 4th, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Yea, that accident was nuts. His legs were torn off. You can even see them flying through the air in photos of the accident. Zanardi is awesome.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:28 PM
This is some mother fucking writing.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:31 PM
My sons are 2 and 4. I likely will not allow them to play tackle football until they get to High School, if they choose to.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:31 PM
How much longer do you guys think Lisk will be writing for TBL?
*Before he gets snatched up by ESPN or Yahoo!
May 4th, 2012 at 5:32 PM
you’re a horrible dresser.‘
I’m fairly sure that Lisk takes pride in being a horrible dresser.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:32 PM
it would be great if they mandate an open field tackle requires you to wrap him up rather than knocking him off his feet..
i could see this working but only if the penalty was severe, like ejection
May 4th, 2012 at 5:33 PM
You can even see them flying through the air in photos of the accident.
yes. i saw them for the first time. just pink chunks
May 4th, 2012 at 5:33 PM
I hope you are about Rivera, dick.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:34 PM
How much longer do you guys think Lisk will be writing for TBL?
*Before he gets snatched up by ESPN or Yahoo!
or, uh, USA Today?
May 4th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Hey, no real names!!!
And I’m not. He’s a one inning pitcher who wears a number that belongs to the Dodgers and totally skates on it. I don’t have an opinion on the man himself, but I hope he goes away and never comes back.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:37 PM
great post
I was lucky to be a late bloomer, I guess. My old man wouldn’t let me play football because he thought I’d grow up to be a scrawny shrimp like him. I didn’t, but he may have saved me a lot of trouble as I age.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:39 PM
or, uh, USA Today?
Didn’t that already, you know, happen? Or is what Lisk does basically contract work for TBL Sports?
/might be missing a joke
May 4th, 2012 at 5:39 PM
This is the stupidest thing you’ve ever said on here. I hate the Yankees. Love Mo. I hope he comes back and is just as good as ever.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Great post Lisk. I’ve said it before, my son played Pop Warner and his own teammate was taking shots at his head in practice. I brought it to the attention of the coach and he took action. When the kid moved up to the next level with new coaches, it continued. Nobody in the NFL tackles like they were taught.
Baseball and engineering for my boys.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Jason Lisk posts should never be relegated to a Friday afternoon. Ever.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Didn’t that already, you know, happen? Or is what Lisk does basically contract work for TBL Sports?
/might be missing a joke
i have no idea but that doesn’t mean i’m high, so be cool, man
May 4th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Damn this post got buried quick.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
wsox fans…sales is heading to the pen. smh
May 4th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Pfft. Not even close. It’s called Dodger pride.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
i have no idea but that doesn’t mean i’m high, so be cool, man
Ha. Well played. I certainly deserved that.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Damn this post got buried quick.
it’s a bad time…folks heading home, no moble site and no mobile site
May 4th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Good post Jason. Having the similar reservations with my kid(s), just with a different sport.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Pfft. Not even close
pours one out for TBLAD
May 4th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
I’ve got two boys. One played, one is currently playing.
My oldest played HS and was recruited until a knee ended it. Ironically, the knee went on a non-contact practice play. He previously sustained a broken nose making a hit across the middle on a WR. The other kid got knocked out and suffered a concussion; I thought there was going to be a riot on the field – the hit was brutal and their coaches screamed cheap shot. It wasn’t, but it was frightful.
He once had his lower gum separated from below his lower teeth. It happened in the first half, he played the second half and had 18 baseball style stitches put in after the game – after scoring two touchdowns in that second half.
Go on a HS field and watch a game at field level. Hell, even watch a MS game at field level. You’ll be amazed at the speed. Forget size – speed kills. Each team has a handful of players that are full-out relentless sacrificing their bodies for the game. And they do it at full speed. Even 13-14 year olds, when they collide at full speed, it’s crazy.
The schools are getting more conscious and safer with head shots, but the accumulation of head hits is scary and ultimately part of the game.
My younger son doesn’t want to be like his older brother, he wants to be his older brother. He’ll play MS football next year and once again, I’ll watch with a good dose of trepidation. He’s the fastest kid in his grade at his school and like I said, speed kills. Let’s just hope he’s killing defenses on long runs.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:44 PM
good stuff.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:44 PM
hey zeus, good to see you. listen, a hckey question. even tho i played i only concentrated on being hit with pucks
why does a linesman or ref throw out a player from a faceoff? they never seem to be misbehaving
May 4th, 2012 at 5:45 PM
I enjoyed this post big-time. Couldn’t help but draw a parallel with young folk who want to be soldiers and Marines, especially with the increased attention towards PTSD.
Obviously, the stakes are different between pro football and the military. But, the parental concern is similar. The post-career health concerns (especially mental health) aren’t all that different.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:46 PM
no moble site and no mobile site
/registers m.thebiglead.com
//waits for offer from USA Today
May 4th, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Go on a HS field and watch a game at field level. Hell, even watch a MS game at field level. You’ll be amazed at the speed. Forget size – speed kills. Each team has a handful of players that are full-out relentless sacrificing their bodies for the game. And they do it at full speed. Even 13-14 year olds, when they collide at full speed, it’s crazy.
i covered some of illinois’ best teams for a decade and always chose the sideline over the press box. squawkbox speaks truth. i cannot imagine cfb and pros from the sideline
May 4th, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Exactly. I used to carpet bomb this place with dumb comments.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:47 PM
hey zeus, good to see you. listen, a hckey question. even tho i played i only concentrated on being hit with pucks
why does a linesman or ref throw out a player from a faceoff? they never seem to be misbehaving
i don’t mean to slight other hockey folks. if you can answer please do
May 4th, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Squawkbox,
Hope it goes well. Baseball, my son took a comebacker to the gut and still finished the inning.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:50 PM
the biggest hit ive ever seen live was still in an 8th grade practice when we were scrimmaging the 7th graders. we were a pretty fucking good football team with some really good athletes, but our best player was this cocky ass rich kid who started growing before everyone else and was faster, stronger and more aggressive than everyone else…
think a shorter, 8th grade version of this. he was a dick that young too…treated people like shit and played like it too. always was looking for a kill shot.
anyways, the 7th grade team was a lot shittier than we were and we had all their players that were worth a shit. our coaches definitely trended towards the sadistic end of the grade school coaching scale (i was surprised how little hitting we did my first year of HS footbaw), so there were already a number of huge hits on that poor, poor running back when he ran a sweep, and this cocky kid comes full speed from his monster safety spot (little deeper than the LB’s), and goes full harrison on him.
knocked the fuck cold, two teeth gone and separated wrist.
yea, that won’t have any consequences on a kid just about to hit puberty.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:51 PM
And he got the out.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:52 PM
two follow up pieces to 54…
as karma is wont to do, it got even with the cocky kid in the long run. last time i saw him he was about the same height plus supersized freshamn fifteen combo.
one of our sadistic coaches was an old-time football player stereotype guy in his late 60′s. i’ll never forget this quote as long as i live…”boys, don’t forget to wash your girdles or you’ll get waffle crotch.”
May 4th, 2012 at 5:53 PM
Go on a HS field and watch a game at field level. Hell, even watch a MS game at field level.
I quite going on the field to watch games when my kid was in 8th grade. They were playing in a semifinal game (he’s a QB / DB) and on offense and punt returns he was running for his life in the 1st QTR. Took a rib shot in the 1st qtr throwing a long pass. I was holding the down marker – I looked at one of the other dads and said “I gotta go somewhere else and watch”, handed him the stick and watched from the corner of the end zone with the varsity coach. Never watched him from the sidelines again.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:53 PM
There isn’t and never will be a “safe” helmet. Think of your head like the science experiment of dropping the egg. Sure, you can pad it all you want and not break the shell but the yolk is going to get scrambled regardless. And yes, the yolk is your brain. So until they inject something into the skull to keep the brain from moving around this will be a concern.
I have two young sons. They’re not playing football. I consider my responsibility as a parent to use my experience and knowledge to help prevent them from making potentially damaging and/or life threatening mistakes. Given what I know about CTE I can’t support my kids playing the sport. That part is easy. What’s not as easy is me wondering if I should give up season tickets for football or not.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:54 PM
yeah spence. i think i had the eureka moment higher up: ban football for kids younger than 12 or 13.
you can liken youth football to child abuse. a stretch, yes, but there’s a huge difference between a grown up making his own choices to play and parents with control of their kids knowing the potential damage and not shutting it down. plus, opponents in a legislature would have a hard time arguing against this
no need to expose the brain early on, and everyone would be on a level playing field
May 4th, 2012 at 5:56 PM
HS is bordering on unfair. the D1 offensive lineman highlights border on snuff films…and guys like peterson and richardson, just think about how big they were coming in as freshmen. they couldn’t have been much smaller as seniors in HS, let alone juniors (both probably had their 5th stars by then)…imagine going up agianst that shit?
we won the state championship in my soph year of HS thanks to a heroic playoff stretch run by our 260 lb. running back who ended up going to akron to play FB. he was bigger than probably 75% the defensive linemen we faced that year, let alone LB’s and DB’s.
just brutal, brutal shit. at least the playing level’s even the higher level you get in terms of athleticism.
May 4th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
What’s not as easy is me wondering if I should give up season tickets for football or not.
keep em. the players you watch are past help, plus they are well-rewarded and grown-up. if they don’t quit playing, why should you quit watching?
maybe you could say you’re promoting any role-model examples they are giving to youth, and that could be a reason to give up the tix
May 4th, 2012 at 5:58 PM
no need to expose joints and bones right before or during puberty either…all the guys that earn a paycheck are outrageously fortunate, almost as lucky as they are talented. what about the kids that get injured on the way up and have to deal with an injury while they’re growing that impacts the rest of their lives?
May 4th, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Speaking of freakish physical differences in high school, remember Jadeveon Clowney’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTkmiBdoBDc
May 4th, 2012 at 6:00 PM
why does a linesman or ref throw out a player from a faceoff? they never seem to be misbehaving
Supposed to ensure that the faceoff is “fair”, players always looking for an edge.
Reasons for getting kicked out:
the visiting player is supposed to put his stick down first (often he cheats),
if you look at the faceoff circles inside the blueline there are ‘hashmarks’ that indicate where the center is supposed to put their skates (often guys cheat by cheating their body to their backhand/strong side),
other players are not supposed to enter the circle until the puck is dropped (guys cheat),
other players are supposed to stay on their half of the circle until the puck is dropped, guys cheat.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:01 PM
and goes full harrison on him.
Yeah – that’s messed up. The diff between HS and MS coaching is generally big. HS coaches start thinking about preserving their best players for games, where MS coaches just want to see kids hit. Broad brush, but that’s how it used to be.
I had to have a talk with my little guy’s coach (4th grade I think) b/c he was the only kid that would run the ball aggressively. They used him essentially as a tackling dummy one practice I watched. I filmed the next practice and showed it to the coach. He apologized profusely. He was completely unaware – they were just practicing.
So, I become the whining parent that doesn’t want his kid to get hit? Fuck that – that’s why I filmed it.
Having kids that are really athletic and aggressive is a double edged sword.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:02 PM
at the same time, there are benefits to football that are just as good as the negative aspects are bad. team and character building, staying active, learning how to push yourself and practice right at a formative age…shit like that.
id say im not going to let my son play football, but he’ll probably have six years of golf under his belt by the time he’s of age.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Reasons for getting kicked out:
Went to a Stars-Ducks game earlier this year in which the linesmen kicked guys out of a faceoff no fewer than 6 times. It might have been twice that, I don’t know, I was drinking.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:04 PM
ban football for kids younger than 12 or 13.
My house rule was 4th grade – 10 yrs old.
That was my rule b/c I started when I was 5-6 but I got burned out. I had offers to play but I just couldn’t get my heart into it. I figured I’d start my boys early so they wouldn’t burn – mistake maybe.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:06 PM
MS coaches just want to see kids hit.
bill parcells in one of the crunch courses: if they don’t bite when they’re puppies, they’re generally not gonna bite
my stepson was in football in third grade and was just not aggressive. nothing you can do about it unless you’re going to be a bad parent and yell at them about it.
it’s a fine line you don’t truly feel until you have kids. you don’t want to push them too hard, but have to figure out if a little pushing is all they need.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:06 PM
”boys, don’t forget to wash your girdles or you’ll get waffle crotch.”
Awesome. My freshman HS coach was an ex Buffalo Bill. Meanest sumbitch I ever met. Hated that bastard.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM
team and character building, staying active, learning how to push yourself and practice right at a formative age…shit like that.
any team sport
May 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Went to a Stars-Ducks game earlier this year in which the linesmen kicked guys out of a faceoff no fewer than 6 times.
Any more than twice on a single faceoff results in a delay of game penalty. But it happens a lot during the course of a game (mostly inside the bluelines).
Forgot to mention gamesmanship, you’ll sometimes see a winger move into the faceoff circle (rather than center) and the winger will attempt to get both himself and the opposing center kicked out of the draw.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:07 PM
thanks zeus
May 4th, 2012 at 6:08 PM
A good man.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:08 PM
wow…started at 5-6? god.
tho i guess if you’re counting flag football, i started at 8. we couldn’t start tackle until 5th grade and back then we could only have one dude on the field at one time that weighed over 115 lbs from 5-6 and 140 lbs form 7-8* (interior OL positions only). now they can have as many “dots” on either line as they want since we’re a nation of fatties.
*lovely life lesson learned there…7th and 8th grade had to cut weight since i was a chubby lil boy. nothing like instilling a self disgust at being a fatty in a 12 year old and telling him not to eat for a week before weigh ins. passed out during class in 8th grade after six days of not eating and that was the first day i stopped drinking water since weigh ins were the next day…snapped out of it and went to practice 45 mins early that day to run laps. made weight by 4 lbs and ate my weight in quarter pounders my way home.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Any more than twice on a single faceoff results in a delay of game penalty. But it happens a lot during the course of a game (mostly inside the bluelines).
Sorry, that’s what I meant. It was at least 6 times over the course of the first two periods. It seemed like a lot to me.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:10 PM
please, baseball didn’t do shit for team building. doesn’t matter how well you play if your teammates fuck up. you can at laest threaten them with phsyical punishment if they fuck up in football.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:11 PM
/basketball wasn’t team building either because i sucked
//grumbles
May 4th, 2012 at 6:12 PM
im going to name my son percy jefferson dieck and he will be the tiger woods of lacrosse.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:13 PM
The coach that yelled at me the most in my life was my 7th grade basketball coach. He was a mean sonofabitch. We had to run the weave every practice. If the ball hit the floor once because of a drop or if someone was in the wrong place, we had stop and do line shuttles. Fucking miserable prick enjoyed yelling at us while we did those things.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:13 PM
started at 5-6 full on tackle. Played on the 85 lb team when I weighed less than 65.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:14 PM
One of the “penultimate” football players?
May 4th, 2012 at 6:15 PM
i feel like grade school basketball coaches, especially on the not “a” teams, are more sadistic than football coaches. they just LOVE to make lil fat kids run. they get off on that shit. “LOOGIT THEM TITTIES JIGGLE”
May 4th, 2012 at 6:15 PM
Love the Al Bundy stories.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:15 PM
junior sea-meow.
/super toopers’d
May 4th, 2012 at 6:16 PM
cutting weight
Here in north Atl burbs, it’s grade based. Up through 5th grade, there are different weight bubbles. If you’re over the weight bubble, you aren’t permitted to carry the ball. No limit to number of fatties on your team.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Damn, that just seems foolish. No offense Squawkbox, but I have coached 5-6 year olds (soccer). There is no way I would have confidence they would know how to tackle without spearing or putting themselves in awkward positions that could lead to serious injuries no matter how awesome the coaching was.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Definitely agree with spencer. Grade school basketball and high school football coaches get off more at yelling at kids than they have a right to. My 7th grade basketball coach got so angry at us one game that he turned around and kicked his chair across the gym floor. At another game, he thought the other coach was trying to influence the time keeper and he just blew up. The guy probably had personal problems or a shitty marriage or something.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Damn, that just seems foolish.
I don’t disagree. At all. My dad’s an ex-marine – if you’re not fightin’, you’re not livin’.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
ot…kinda wish 3d was more available and cheaper just for golf. being able to see the elevation on shots from the player’s view would be groundbreaking.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:22 PM
My dad’s an ex-marine
I thought there was no such thing as an ex-marine.
/cue Coolio song
May 4th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
gangster’s paradise?
May 4th, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Grade school basketball and high school football coaches get off more at yelling at kids than they have a right to.
Flip that – my kids HS coach just got fired. Dude was a full-out dick to the kids.
I’ll never forget – my kids was in summer transition from 8th -9th grade and was practicing with the varsity b-ball team. He was able to set up one-on-one QB coaching for the summer and decided to hang up b-ball. The coach undressed him in front of everyone “the biggest mistake of your life. You’re weak… etc.”
He later called and apologized. Sic years later he’s fired for roughing up a kid during a game.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:25 PM
Ms…there was/is a generation of coaches who took their cues from bob knight. We had one in hs. It was silly the level he took it to
May 4th, 2012 at 6:25 PM
I thought there was no such thing as an ex-marine.
… Leroy Jethro Gibbs
May 4th, 2012 at 6:26 PM
gangster’s paradise?
You know it. The video had scenes from that Michelle Pfeiffer movie where she is a teacher in an inner city high school and she tells her class “Once a Marine, always a Marine”.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:27 PM
shit snarks.
/kicks dirt
May 4th, 2012 at 6:27 PM
… Leroy Jethro Gibbs
Your father is Mark Harmon? That’s pretty cool.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:28 PM
i loved your dad in summer school.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Is he do back soon?
May 4th, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Absolutely amazing piece Lisk. Probably one of the best in the site’s history.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Best thing on The Big Lead in a long long time.
But to be honest, I was hoping the title was a way of mocking Jon Gruden.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:29 PM
it’s a fine line you don’t truly feel until you have kids. you don’t want to push them too hard, but have to figure out if a little pushing is all they need.
Agreed. My boy is almost 3 (another one due any day now), already bugging me to take him the rink. I’m probably going to enroll him in a father/son learn to skate program, doubt he’ll get into organized games/practices for a couple more years, and only if he wants too.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:32 PM
The coach undressed him in front of everyone “the biggest mistake of your life. You’re weak… etc.”
I had a coach throw a gatorade jug at me and tell me if I didn’t go start a fight on the next shift I’d be on the next bus home.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:33 PM
(another one due any day now)
You and Babar have been busy.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:34 PM
you don’t joke about suspects.
/detective mcintyre’s on the case and he’s got a BIG LEAD
//tip your waitresses
May 4th, 2012 at 6:35 PM
A war does strange things to a man
May 4th, 2012 at 6:36 PM
I tried typing the word “man” 5 times and kept typing “damn”
I love beer.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:36 PM
Sorry my comments are so long. I get emotional about football.
For all the bad in football, there’s so much good even for a family. Friday nights were always special with my daughter and younger son watching the big guy play. I was always in the booth announcing and playing music. The road trips with other families were very special – I can’t describe the bonding that goes on.
The amount of summer workouts players do now is multiples more than what I did.
I still remember sitting on the front porch in August 2009, drinking at 2:00am with the neighbors and players’ parents crying about my son’s knee. Damn shame. We’ll never know – pre-sesaon all-state QB and predicted state champ.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:37 PM
Cheers UM. I’m about to head home and open up a St. Arnold’s Lawn mower.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:39 PM
Sorry squawk
May 4th, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Cheers. No Weedwhacker?
May 4th, 2012 at 6:44 PM
crying about a blown knee
first world problems
May 4th, 2012 at 6:46 PM
Cheers. No Weedwhacker?
Lawn Mower is pretty full bodied kolsch. I’ve honestly not tried Weedwhacker, but in talking to a friend who has he says it’s basically the same thing but hoppier. I’m not looking for a ton of hoppinness today.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:47 PM
agreed we should euthanize some of our young.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:48 PM
I was a prime candidate. Slow, short, and clumsy. And I still managed to land a couple schollies for D2 soccer.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:48 PM
crying about a blown knee
first world problems
Yeah – as a result, he’s studying to be a first world physical therapist so he can help others with first world blown knees.
/the third world sucks
May 4th, 2012 at 6:52 PM
lol. id be on that list too…fat, lazy and prone to making jokes at in opportune times. id have been yelling ‘IM A LATE BLOOMER! I’M A LATE BLOOMER!’ as they dragged me off.
at least the guards would’ve snickered. a little levity in an otherwise shitty job.
May 4th, 2012 at 6:53 PM
High five. Wife does that. It’s good business.
May 4th, 2012 at 7:07 PM
penultimate does not mean what you think it means
May 4th, 2012 at 7:12 PM
penultimate
The best writing instrument ever?
May 4th, 2012 at 7:44 PM
My son might want to play football, but he wont be successful because he’s white, slow, and not nearly crazy enough. The situation will resolve itself.
If internet pictures of Lisk are to be believed his son likely falls into the same boat. Except for the crazy part, those Mizzou people are wacked.
May 4th, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Lisk I dont say good piece to anyone that writes for this site. I will today.
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been 4 years
May 4th, 2012 at 10:08 PM
This piece and some other ones Lisk has written in this vein (only one I can think of off the top of my head is the one about talking to his kids about pedophilia during the Sandusky thing) are some of the best blog posts/short columns/whatever I’ve ever read.
As far as coaching goes I played on a baseball team with Kelvin Sampson’s son in like 6th grade, he came and guest coached a practice. That was the best practice I was ever a part of (by far), not surprisingly I guess.
May 5th, 2012 at 7:11 AM
Not letting your son play football because you’re afraid of him developing brain damage is akin to not letting him go outside when it’s raining because you’re afraid he’ll get struck by lightening.
My son is 2, and I can’t wait until he’s old enough to play football. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I just don’t believe that the repetitive collision risks that NFL (and top-level college players) take are present in Pop Warner and HS.
May 5th, 2012 at 7:41 AM
My son might want to play football, but he wont be successful because he’s white, slow, and not nearly crazy enough. The situation will resolve itself.
Not so fast, my friend. My oldest was a little butter-ball and pretty mild up until 3rd grade where he shot up, thinned out and got a little crazy. I blame being cooped up inside for basketball.
My youngest was a momma’s boy. In fact, she took him to the park for the 4th grade combine and after he ran his 40, 5-6 dads came up to her “fastest time of the year and better than last years best”. She just hugged him, rubbed his head “and he’s such a goooood booooy.”
If internet pictures of Lisk are to be believed his son likely falls into the same boat. Except for the crazy part, those Mizzou people are wacked.
Awesome.
May 5th, 2012 at 7:44 AM
Not letting your son play football because you’re afraid of him developing brain damage is akin to not letting him go outside when it’s raining because you’re afraid he’ll get struck by lightening.
I subscribe to this once I get to see how the coaches are handling the young kids.
I do recommend going to a MS or HS game and watching at field level. It’ll make you think.
May 5th, 2012 at 7:51 AM
No doubt. I’d like to coach as well.
May 7th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Lisk is the best. Roger Goodell and the NFL owners are fucking turd balls.
May 7th, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Having grown up playing and watching football, I hate to say this….but the sport needs to be regulated. Yep, just like tobacco. Players aren’t going to stop playing, just like smokers aren’t going to stop smoking and tobacco companies aren’t going to stop making cigarettes. However, the NFL must be forced to tell fans, parents and kids that it’s the most violent game on the planet. They should do PSAs just like big tobacco. Start telling people it’s not cool. Sux for NFL, but that’s what needs to happen.