Bo Ryan Really Came Off Poorly Defending Himself on Mike & Mike
Bo Ryan did himself no favors by appearing on Mike & Mike this morning. (If you want to listen to the entire audio, go here.) Above you’ll find part of the interview, and in it, the Wisconsin basketball cach comes off incredibly poorly and offers no logical, coherent defense for blocking a freshman from transferring to 25 schools.
Late in the interview (not seen above), Ryan says what he danced around for 15 minutes:
“I am doing what every other coach in the country has done.”
Everyone is speeding, why are you picking on me?
Let’s set the over/under on what time Wisconsin announces Jarrod Uthoff is free to transfer where he wants at … 1 pm EST? Uthoff had a 9 am meeting with the Wisconsin AD this morning.
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April 19th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
By next week people will have forgotten about this just like they forgot about Phil Martelli doing something similar earlier in the year.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Kudos to Ryan for voluntarily facing the fire on this tough issue. It’s unfortunate those that tamper with recruits don’t have to address the media like this. I also find it hypocritical that those who hate college sports b/c of all the new names on new teams these days are the same ones arguing for a transfer free-for-all.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Except Big Ten schools.
Because transfers within the conference are controlled by the conference, not the schools.
A point which you continue to ignore when dumping on this guy for absolutely no reason.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
probably because he’s an asshole.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
we call this “McIntyring a story”.
/no we don’t
//but we could
April 19th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
TBL — Why do you post so much about this story?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Bilas was all over this yesterday and this morning. And was spot on, as usual.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:28 AM
My favorite part was the day this began, he was tweeting everyone (Bilas, Katz, Vitale, Davis) trying to get a reaction. It got talked about on their twitter feeds and on SVP and Cowherd (I think), but nobody ever mentioned him or his post. However, this has been a fairly big story recently, so I think it deserves another post.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
He doesn’t care for the program and it helps play to the “Players are slaves” narrative so this story is really right up this blog’s alley
“Everyone does it” is a shitty rationale though but it does support my contention that big time college coaches are by and large asshats
April 19th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
I think it’s hypocritical of coaches to be able to leave whenever they want, but the kids are getting screwed. Put yourself in the kid’s shoes. How would you feel?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
What did he say?
His reasons for blocking in state schools are legitimate.
Wisconsin will play one ACC team minimum this year and fuck this kid, he chose to redshirt and then chose to bail, Ryan should be allowed to not have to worry about playing against him.
/Team Fuck Jay Bilas
//Rants about people exploiting college athletes while making six figures to talk about college athletes
April 19th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with Cursed. I need to go drunk driving to get a little momentum going.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Like I just scammed a school out of 40k worth of education and god knows how much of recruitment and development money?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
questions for lawyer types and anyone else who may be sensible: my sixth-grade stepson had a hand sliced open today at school by a kid with an exacto knife. do you press charges on a sixth grader? trying to think of all implications
April 19th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Between this guy and douchebag Bielema, Wisconsin is the most unlikeable non-sec non-OSU school in the country.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Why do you feel they should be treated the same, given their vastly different responsibilities, compensation, and roles within their particular universities and college basketball in general?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
I’d argue there’s a legit reason to dump on the guy for blocking Uthoff from an entire conference besides the Big 10. Also, Ryan’s defense of his actions was laughable.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
I didn’t break the story or wasn’t part of it, why would they mention the site? Also, I only mentioned it to Vitale/Bilas/Katz (they were mentioned in the post).
April 19th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with Cursed.
yuck. Go wash that greasy smarm off of yourself.
I need to go drunk driving to get a little momentum going.
Hey, he HAD to drunk drive. It was for work. How’s he going to get ahead if he doesn’t get hammered with the team at Applebees?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
I know nothing about journalism and couuldn’t get paid to write if my life depended on it, but this business of TBL choosing a guy to go to war with and hammering him for a three day period seems kinda unprofessional.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
How would you feel?
I get why schools block schools. I think transferring interconference, or agaisnt future opponents is a reasonable reason to block someone.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Because he’s a big NCAA tournament fan.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Clueless Ben, the most uninformed TBL commenter, at it again. Just go away, man. I don’t have the heart to block you because you’re just not that bright. Just move on, dude.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
/validates my point about not being able to write
April 19th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Wow, I used alot of the same words in that post.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Oh my
April 19th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
TBL, you make a great villian. Kudos to you.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Yep. It’s not like the blocks are arbitrary at all.
Now I’m not arguing that Bo isn’t a dick. He’s a Wisconsin employee, so it’s a given, but I’m looking beyond that fact.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
I see we have a vulnerable Wisconsin fan among us. For what it’s worth the entire sports/media industry is going after Ryan right now, & rightfully so. He’s not alone, sure, but does that make the practice any less loathsome? Imagine if we let of criminals because they’re not the only ones to have committed that crime.
And did I hear Bo Ryan right? Did he honestly try to dismiss the analogy to coaches leaving without penalty by saying “there are some people” who’ve been fired–for cause, I need to add, since he didn’t–& didn’t get their full compensation? Holy hell, this is a trainwreck.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
damn…brutal.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
I hate it when kids transfer from UGA, but I love that Richt lets them go wherever they want to. If the kid doesn’t want to be at your school, it’s much better for him to leave and for the school to move on. When coaches do this it really makes them look like massive ass holes, tampering or not. Just let the kid leave.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
The Ben Story.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Did he finish his comment with a rap lyric that got every blogger is a lather? ‘Cause it’s just so awesome that he listens to rap music, you see.
/thinks Bilas is great at his job
//but he’s a total ego maniac
April 19th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
I didn’t read his Twitter comments so I can’t speak to those. But on ESPN most of his rant was directed at the NCAA: how this is basically a non-compete clause, how these rules don’t apply to academic scholarships, how scholarships are one-year deals that can be taken away from the athlete, about how coaches are allowed to bail before their contracts are up, etc.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
If only there were about 200 other D1 schools this poor kid could transfer to…
April 19th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
So that’s two “well if everyone breaks the law, so what?” asinine arguments made in here so far.
You guys realize that Ryan isn’t breaking any rules right? So that analogy is absurd?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Not a Wisconsin fan… and I’m not talking about this story in particular.
I’m saying when I visit this site over a 36 hour period and every time there is a new and different post up that is 90% old info from previous posts, it makes this place looks like TMZ.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Christ’s sake J-Mac, Ben made a reasoned argument against your question and you resort to name calling yet again?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
They’re not slaves, they’re serfs and according to pearl clutching ESPN they’re high as balls.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
thanks for the thoughts
April 19th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Facts are facts — bee keepers don’t get post secondary education
/unless they do, I have no idea
April 19th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
Players have to sit out already. Uthoff isn’t playing next year. The opposition is in the restriction of schools. This wouldn’t be a “transfer free for all” but then again I hate college sports so I’m probably misinterpreting that.
Also, sorry if they show up in your non-conference schedule in two years or you play that conference in a pre-season tournament. The commenters here tell me those games don’t matter anyway.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
I for one hate awkward radio/tv interviews. I know everyone gives praise to the dudes who ask the ‘tough questions’ but it just makes me uncomfortable and turn the channel.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
I thought it was a pretty honest question Ben asked, though. The head of the company doesn’t get treated the same way as the normal employees. Same way at a school. Not sure why you got so defensive.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
First of all is he ok? Second, work it out with the parents of the other child that all medical bills are paid and third, get the school district involved on what disciplinary actions should happen along with the police so a report is filed.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
April 19th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Why do you feel they should be treated the same, given their vastly different responsibilities, compensation, and roles within their particular universities and college basketball in general?
Agreed, coaches bolting in the middle of the offseason, lying, hurting recruiting while planning to move on have a much greater impact. Should definitely be restricted more given the impact argument.
That was your point, right?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
The breaking law analogy doesn’t really work here. A better analogy would be Marketing Game Theory in a duopoly, like Coke and Pepsi advertising. One has to advertise solely because the other does, or else lose market share. If either stops advertising, they’re toast.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
whoa. Trey has gotta be pissed he’s had the “most clueless” title ripped from his hands.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
This is the argument that sets me off the most. It makes me cringe.
Well, you are a Missouri fan, so this makes sense.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Coaches can leave at a moments notice – they don’t have to sit down and explain where they’re going and why they want to go the guys they’re in the “trenches” with. And Ryan’s point about contract buyout penalties if they leave is a joke; has any coach ever reached into his own pocket to pay off a school he leaves for a better gig?
I think TBL is seizing on this since it puts the spotlight on NCAA hypocrisy in general, not just WI.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
What’s absurd about it? He’s being grilled over a questionable practice. He shamefully sidesteps that by saying he’s not alone, which does absolutely zero to confront the question & his personal responsibility head-on. The point of an analogy is that you’re comparing one parallel aspect of two things. Obviously the incidentals of the two things compared aren’t identical–that’s what makes it, you know, an analogy. But thanks for the tisk-tisking. You’re almost as good as Bo Ryan at missing the point–willfully or just cluelessly.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
I thought Ben’s question was legit.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
I know everyone gives praise to the dudes who ask the ‘tough questions’ but it just makes me uncomfortable and turn the channel.
i’m like this too
April 19th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
OHHHHH NOW THAT IT’S A WHITE KID THAT CAN’T GO WHERE HE WANTS IT’S A BIG DEAL! TAKE THAT TAKE THAT
/Duffy Dirty Money
April 19th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
You guys realize that Ryan isn’t breaking any rules right? So that analogy is absurd?
Well, you and I realize that. If the EIC of this site wants to bust someone’s balls, it should be the NCAA or Big 10.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
It’s not questionable at all. He’s allowed to block schools.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
My planned 27/31 picks aren’t on that list. BTW… any requests from Pats fans, position-wise?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
agreed and agreed.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Fuck bo ryan and his shitty coaching style which makes offense unnecessary. If they could make anything other than three pointers, they’d be a relevant team.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
I think we should all direct our anger not at Bo Ryan being a dick about this transfer, but for Bo Ryan producing nauseating basketball for the past decade.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
I did not see Lisk turning heel coming. I think the commenter draft pushed him over the edge.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
+1
April 19th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Yeah Ben, just “buzz” off!
April 19th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Lisk with super kicks all over the ring.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
anyone seen what AJ has done at Gawker with comments. Basically started from scratch.
Gosh, that’s a great idea.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Schools should be able to block 30 schools when you sign your letter of intent. It should all be spelled out at the start of the scholarship.
There should be some new rules for when coaches transfer, but that isn’t even the case here. Ryan didn’t quit. The kid is bailing on a school.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
First of all is he ok? Second, work it out with the parents of the other child that all medical bills are paid and third, get the school district involved on what disciplinary actions should happen along with the police so a report is filed.
yes, i am loath to charge an 11yo or 12yo, would rather go after the parnets, but bottom line, pay for treatment. i asked the wife (she’s with him at the doctor’s for stitches) if we can talk to the parents and she said the school can’t release their names. i bet my stepson knows the kids’ last name, so shouldn;t be hard to figure out
April 19th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
But seriously, this has been going on for a long damn time….why make a big deal about it now?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Also… my wife doesn’t approve of the mock draft
“What are you doing?”
(ummm doing a mock draft with my invisible friends)
“Whats a mock draft?”
(where we pick players for all the teams)
“Whats the point, do you keep the players? what do you do with them after?”
(ummm I don’t know?)
“So are you going to have a mock mini-camp after?”
Slayed me.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Agreed.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
I understand Bo, no ex-serf of mine will toil a land in my country. I cast you out you filthy prole.
/gentry’d
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Do it.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
I get what you’re saying Jason but AJ Daulerio has never once had a great idea.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Take a breath.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
It’s absurd because he isn’t doing anything wrong by the letter of the law, or in this case, the NCAA. You can say he’s a dick for doing this, but he has every right to do it. Criminals do not have every right to commit crimes.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
You should get more of your Twitter bros to comment on here.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Than do it. Send an email to the folks at Gannett proposing it and I would assume they’d say go for it and get rid of whatever/whomever you want to get rid of. Don’t talk. Do.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Bo Ryan is coming off like a dick. That being said, I can see his point. This goes on all the time and suddenly people are coming at him from all angles; he’s got to be sitting there like McNulty thinking WTF did I do? Also, banning 14 schools (the B1G isn’t his choice) isn’t quite the travesty some are making it out to be.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Yeah, that approach really worked for Deadspin and the 10 people allowed in their private circle jerk
April 19th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
anyone seen what AJ has done at Gawker with comments. Basically started from scratch.
What is this you speak of? Just my .02 — I think blowing up the commenting structure would be very, very bad.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Hahahaha
April 19th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Careful Bear, you’ll lose your 2011 Commenter Award for Craig Jamesery
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
you should add yourself to that list you did a long time ago about thin-skinned media* members.
*tabloids are media too, right?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Your failure at understanding amateur status continues.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
where we all meeting up once the comments get all started over?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Did Lisk just pull a Shawn Michaels superkicking Marty Jannetty?
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
A megalomaniac coke head decided to ban all comments and strip down the comment section to start again.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
You’ll have to take my word for it that it wasn’t always as bad as the last couple years…there was a time where the Swing Offense worked with guys like Devin Harris, Mike Wilkinson and Alando Tucker routinely scoring inside, but lately all their big men are better at shooting from distance than playing with their back to the hoop and thus you get the current rot
Hopefully the Ape continues to develop and opens up the offense again next season
April 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
They really don’t, though.
/real talk
April 19th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Coaches get ripped when they cant get good prospects, by failing to roll in the mud and boosters for top recruits.
Coaches get ripped when good prospects wanna bolt b/c they made a poor adult decision, and wanna defect to other major players, thus deteriorating the coach’s image.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
I did not see Lisk turning heel coming. I think the commenter draft pushed him over the edge.
It’s a combination of having a three year old and then reading comments here. I can only take so much back talk and tantrums in a day. It puts me on edge.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
TBL needs to remember that contrarianism drives comments and page traffic (at least to the degree that regulars and multiple visits count as traffic).
Like tj said… a circle jerk where everyone agrees would be a short thread. If I’m not here following/joining a discussion, I’m not seeing/reading new posts put up.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Somewhere perhaps where jerks are of the major league variety. Get to work ont hat.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
I think blowing up the commenting structure would be very, very bad.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Yup. Nobody likes empty threats, and it’ll only increase the animosity that’s come up around here lately. If you gonna say something, do it.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
I know this is your website and you can do what you want but I think the real issue is you comment so infrequently that you haven’t been able to build up the wall that protects you from getting annoyed when people disagree with your opinion and say stupid things. And I’m not saying this with sarcasm or bitchiness. I’m being honest when I say it’s just easier to blow off stupid shit that’s said on here after you’ve had to deal with it for an extended period of time.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
I know a website that just got a spiffy new server.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
how dare you call me an ont hat.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
But you won’t do it, though.
Because the scale to which Ryan did it makes him seem butthurt. I think both parties look like little bitches,and sure this practice has isn’t new, but it does indeed highlight how stupid it is for a kid who isn’t PROMISED a scholarship all 4 years can be told where he can or cannot go and work/learn/whatever we’re calling student athletics.
Too be fair, there are stituations, with smart Athletic Departments at least, where there is some financial penalty for coaches leaving to go certain places.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Ding ding ding. I havent read Deadspin in months unless someone links an article.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I firmly believe if I had children I wouldn’t make it to year five before going on a killing spree, Falling Down style.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Seven – as a former high school principal and current attorney, I’d say that you need to at least contact the police. That way there’s some record of this with law enforcement. Even if you don’t want to hammer the kid, should this happen again (with your child or someone else), having the report gives everyone more leverage. Involving the authorities also gives the school administration some cover – kind of surprised they didn’t contact the police on their own.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Also… my wife doesn’t approve of the mock draft
“What are you doing?”
(ummm doing a mock draft with my invisible friends)
“Whats a mock draft?”
(where we pick players for all the teams)
“Whats the point, do you keep the players? what do you do with them after?”
(ummm I don’t know?)
“So are you going to have a mock mini-camp after?”
Slayed me.
keep your woman in line
April 19th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Is it yardwork time? I have a few more players who are on the receiving end of a molotov cocktail.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Not anymore it isn’t.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
this. tho, id probably just leave my family like a dirtbag.
April 19th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Any money that a school pays to buy out a contract is money that does not go to the coach, so of course it’s material to the discussion.
If you don’t think a coach’s contract is LOWERED by the amount of the buyout, you’re as clueless as Clueless Ben.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I can get arguments from both sides of the Ryan issue, but anyone touting the above is an idiot.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
megalomaniac coke head decided to ban all comments and strip down the comment section to start again.
That guy is an asshat. However, read that Gawker post where he announced he was changing the comment structure. The commenters over there absolutely hate Daulerio for turning Gawker into Reddit. Even swishy Nick Denton had to comment to protect his fragile coke fiend.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
clueless ben keeps his bees in milk crates.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Ryan is asked why he’s doing it and his answer is he’s just “following the process” or “I’m doing what everyone else is doing.”
Honestly, I’d have more respect for him if he just said “we put a lot of time into this kid and the fact he wants to leave pisses me off so I’m going to make sure he doesn’t go somewhere that makes him happy.” Or: “I’m so insecure about my ability to coach that I’m going to block him from going to a team we will play in the future because I’m afraid a kid with zero playing experience might beat me.”
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Are you learning disabled? Questionable means it’s open to questioning. Nobody here said anywhere, at any point that the practice is illegal–which again gets back to your incomprehension about the “analogy” stuff. Not one person is saying the NCAA prohibits this…which is part of the problem. Nor is this some vendetta against Bo Ryan. He just happens to be the latest example in a battalion of festering dick coaches to do this, & he’s been the most outspokenly, maddeningly wrong in defense of the practice.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Rich Rodriguez?
Oh you said BETTER gig.
No.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Perhaps, but then they’d smile and laugh with you and hug you and you’d melt in their arms and would calm down. The first time your child recognizes you and smiles is pretty fucking awesome.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Just remember J-Mac…once in a while God pissed off his/her followers with something He/She said/wrote.
/ I present you the 15 (drops tablet), 10 commandments.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
It’s a combination of having a three year old and
I exploded like never before on my 2 & 4 yr olds today. Sadly, the house rules are being drawn up this weekend. I have to go get some poster board paper and they’re going up on the fridge this weekend.
/rules probably won’t stop the drama in the morning, at night, the weekends, or the daytimes when they are not at daycare.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Great argument!
Signed,
White Male Land Owners of 1846
April 19th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Not no more it ain’t.
/Moe’d
April 19th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Question the process. Not what Ryan is doing.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Go on.
/Traderjack
April 19th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I know nothing about journalism and couuldn’t get paid to write if my life depended on it, but this business of TBL choosing a guy to go to war with and hammering him for a three day period seems kinda unprofessional.
Sounds like the Bob Knight stories that lasted for weeks. TBL = Professional Hater.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Lets have Cold Call Thursday — Bo Ryan edition!
April 19th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Mole…wrong meme..thats the atl badger meme
April 19th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Nice
April 19th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
You guys are all fucking uptight about swearing and name calling. Thanks but no thanks.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
No, don’t question the “process.” The “process” is an abstraction. Question the grinning, repo-men coaches who practice it. Bo Ryan deserves his turn in the dunking booth today; twice over, in fact, after this disgrace of an interview.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Isn’t criticizing the most recent example by Ryan the easiest way to question the process?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Are they? I know you can’t rip their insanely
retardedmisguided cartoon bracket, but I never noticed the name calling issue.April 19th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Daulerio is a piece of shit, but he knows how to make money on the internet. And unfortunately, you do that by getting page views, not by writing insightful, thought-provoking pieces that generate quality discussion in the comments section.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Maybe he’s reporting on it so much because IT’S ONE OF THE MOST RELEVANT STORIES IN SPORTS AT THE MOMENT
April 19th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Dear Spencer,
As an experienced apiarist, I have acquired a large collection of regurgitated nectar and I’m looking for the best way to monetize this asset. Do you prefer glass-based, or cute-looking plastic bear-based containers?
-WWoS
/is this still a thing?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Granted I don’t think the rules need to change in the least.
Dude can transfer wherever the fuck he wants if he takes out loans and pays for his education that he was getting for free until he bitched out.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
exactly the same…
April 19th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Buncha whiny bitches in here.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Middle of the road recruit wants to goto shitty basketball schools and isn’t allowed to.
Biggest story ever.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Can you explain what you mean by this, without coming across as a douchebag trying to use fancy words that don’t actually provide context to your statement?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Can you explain what you mean by this, without coming across as a douchebag trying to use fancy words that don’t actually provide context to your statement, please?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
I was told players are exploited and not paid at all. You mean to tell me they get their school paid for including room and board should they live on campus? Wow. I mean…I thought they were slaves.
/jarring
April 19th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Can anybody here comment on more “likeable” coaches? Bo Ryan seems an easy target for some. How many schools are blocked for guys leaving UNC, OSU, Duke, KU, FL, MSU?
I mean, is there any quantitative data saying Bo Ryan is extreme in his position.
Just wish the non-Lisk threads would deal on occasion, from a position of facts. Take the football players are all black post from yesterday, for example….
April 19th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
huh?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Blocking or restricting coaches would be a restraint of trade and subject the NCAA to a massive lawsuit.
The NCAA gets away with it with athletes because the NCAA technically doesn’t place the restrictions on the athlete, the Conference Commissioner’s Association does, through the National Letter of Intent program they run.
/bird law’d
April 19th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
sh, do that’s why you snapped at me about the FOIA this morning.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Dear WWoS,
The cute-looking plastic bear-based containers is preferred. Post-honey consumption, it can be used to smoke up, as seen by Brad Pitt in True Romance.
-Spencer
April 19th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
we are? that’s news to me.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
I honestly have never heard about K blocking schools for transfers. I’m sure it is done though, to an extent. Haven’t heard about it with Carolina’s recent transfers either. They both lost players to big programs too and it didn’t come up.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
I didn’t think I’d have to explain that I was pointing out the absurdity of the original argument: “it’s always been this way so why change it” and not the connection to slavery, but I was wrong.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12017/1204030-175.stm
I don’t think (All-American) Khem Birch was blocked from anywhere, but I’m trying to find that out for sure right now.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
The simple solution to this is for the players to NEVER SIGN A LOI. Just use the grant aid option. You don’t need a fancy press conference where you pick up a hat. That way you can leave whenever you want to. Of course you’d better be good or school’s won’t let you do this, but if you’re good enough you can dictate the terms.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
“The process” or “the system” is what people blame when they don’t want to blame anyone. What the fuck is the “process” other than a bunch of actual coaches engaging in actual P.O.S. practices like this? It’s the tried & true: “Hey look over there!” response. I have no idea what’s douchebaggy or even intellectual about that, or what’s so hard to comprehend about it. Or what context needed to be provided in light of the roughly 130 comments that preceded it.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Seven – as a former high school principal and current attorney, I’d say that you need to at least contact the police. That way there’s some record of this with law enforcement. Even if you don’t want to hammer the kid, should this happen again (with your child or someone else), having the report gives everyone more leverage. Involving the authorities also gives the school administration some cover – kind of surprised they didn’t contact the police on their own.
thank you duck
/thank you, duck!
April 19th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
No no no, Husker. They’re slaves because the school is making shit loads of money off them and spending them on mansions and bugattis and trips to Tahiti and blowjobs and other things I’m assuming people think they’re doing with that money because no one really established what they think they’re indeed doing with that money.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
The simple solution to this is for the players to NEVER SIGN A LOI. Just use the grant aid option
Yep. This has always existed but people are dumb and choose not to employ this method.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
This. The LOI ties a player to a school for 4 years, but the school is only tied to the player for 1 year, with control over a player’s ability to leave.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Ask the Saints
April 19th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Well I can understand that the old argument of “don’t hate the player, hate the game” is a cop out but in the case of NCAA regulations so many things are fucked up (again I do not think this is an example) that looking at the system is actually a legitimate concern. The NCAA IS built on exploitation and the system is designed to protect so many practices that for a lot of things look at systemic change can be a valid point.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I mentioned this the other day, but I think only Mole commented on it. TJ Mcconnel was Duquense’s best player and he was blocked to transfer to any A-10 school and Pitt and Robert Morris. The latter 2 because they were on the schedule. He transferred to Arizona.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Also, remember before Calapari left Memphis and the school amended the LOI’s for players that Calapari was recruiting, allowing them to leave with no restrictions if the coach left? The CAA said you can’t do that.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Are students on academic scholarship slaves because they have to keep their GPA up?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Wow. I drop what I thought was an honest question and go out to tend to the bees, come back, and see I’ve caught the full wrath of the EIC. At least the response was reasonable and didn’t resort to getting personal. *eyeroll* It was a reasonable question that at worst could be ignored and at best could have been addressed, instead of throwing around C-level insults.
I’m still not certain why coaches and players should be held to identical standards, which is what is implied by calling the blocks ‘hypocritical.’ Is it a bit of a dick move if he’s blocked beyond the Big 10 (which isn’t even under his control) or regularly scheduled future opponents? Sure, but ‘hypocritical’ is most assuredly not the correct description of the action. But like I said, instead of responding to a fully reasonable question (thanks to those who said it was) with a reasonable response, it’s time to just go ad hominem instead.
Silly Spencer, bees don’t like milk crates.
/realizes severity of insults
//weeps into hive
April 19th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
I think they’re building paper airplanes out of it and re-enacting Pearl Harbor.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
If he stopped toiling the land he would be cast out.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
This is a bit false. He could transfer to a Big 10 school, he jsut couldn’t get a scholarship to that school. See, Justin Boren from UM to OSU.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Totes, just look at how many athletic departments operate in the black.
/can count on my fingers
April 19th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
“This is not a football vocational school. It’s an institute for higher learning.”
“Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a damn chemistry experiment? Why don’t you stick the bow-tie up your ass?”
April 19th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
By getting for free you mean a participant in a system that makes old people rich as fuck then sure.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
But if the player wants to play at other NCAA schools, they are held to the transfer rules, whether they signed an NLI or not.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Pretty sure their deriving value from their education, don’t think their taking communications for 1 year and practicing running 40 hours a week.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
See comment 164 for more clarity.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Thank you, I wasn’t sure what the exact rule was. If he can’t get a scholarship, I can’t imagine him going unless he likes to pay through the teeth for school.
Also, thank you to the e-mail supporters that showed up in my inbox. The consensus from the e-mails is that the response from our beloved EIC was both over the top hilarious and completely uncalled for.
His ‘clueless commenter’ line is almost a verbatim response (insult) to when I questioned why he was so curious the Broncos didn’t have the front page of their site covered with Manning rumors before he was actually signed.
Yours truly,
Clueless Beehive Ben
April 19th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I fail english.
/not unpossible
April 19th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Not to go too far off topic, but…we all can agree that whoever was the first to start calling sports fanbases “Nations” needs to be prosecuted at the Hague, amiright?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
How do people have Ben’s email address?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Even I can agree to that, learning disability and all.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Never said it shouldn’t be changed…I was just wondering why it is now being made a big deal. I said a few days ago a coaches blocking authority should be to conference and 5 schools out of conference….Keep up keep up
April 19th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
I thought Mike Greenberg came off just as bad in that video. He acted like he knew how all contracts worked then dodged the question if this was an indictment of Bo Ryan. Nice to flame through until someone specifically asks what the allegations are and you throw it to break.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Athletic directors make bank.
We should kill them.
/for feeding us cake
April 19th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I played fantasy football and baseball with a handful of people here a couple years ago.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Networking event at last years NABC.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Seriously. I’m still failing to see who these rich white people are. No one has ever named them. Are they shrouded in mystery?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
This entire thread is one big lollercoaster.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Not true. The NLI requires an individual transferring to another 1A school to sit out a year. If an individual received grant in aid (like Brandon Knight at Kentucky), they’re free to transfer at anytime without restriction.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
I’m always recruiting. It’s good to see so many young, enthusiastic future beekeepers. I don’t see them as competition, I’m more of a ‘high tide raises all the boats’ kind of guy.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
National Association of Black Commenters?
April 19th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Louisiana-Monroe Bobby Staub Sun Belt $109,923
/poorest
//also craig hooker killing james
April 19th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
We’re talking about Ben, not ms.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Winner.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
This. All the way.
The angle that the kid scammed the university out of $40K of education/room/board is comic genius. Even if the kid requested the red shirt, just say no. There will be a kid next year that gets dropped from a program by a coach for some loop-hole reason leaving that kid to scramble if he wants to continue playing.
It appears that Ryan is being a dick, just to be a dick.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
if pros are the goal for athletes, they can go to an NAIA school. if you are good enough scouts find you. don beebe did this
April 19th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Then compare that salary to other comparable positions at the University. Also look at the salaries compared to the Universities and how important their sports programs are. Shit, there are high schools in my state where ADs make about 100k a year.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
I am glad McIntyre/TBL is making such a big deal deal about this particular situation. The NCAA as an organization is dysfunctional and hypocritical in their rule making.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
North American Beekeepers Conference This year the conference was held in Vegas and let me tell you, no one throws down like beekeepers.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Bo always grants redshirts to freshman if they ask and never redshirts a kid who doesn’t ask for it…that’s something I think is commendable
April 19th, 2012 at 11:42 AM
Seriously. I’m still failing to see who these rich white people are. No one has ever named them. Are they shrouded in mystery?
Louisiana-Monroe Bobby Staub Sun Belt $109,923
/poorest
//also craig hooker killing james
bowl execs skimming
April 19th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
I don’t actually think he scammed them.
I do think feeling bad for the kid is a bit much.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
This.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
So he’s not a dick?
/I love absolutes
April 19th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Technically he had a free release as his dad had a handshakle agreement they wouldn’t transfer to Pitt ro booby Mo. He was going to Arizona all along IMO though I wouldn’t be shocked if Miller actually tampered with him.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Well I can’t think of a time where a kid got upset over not getting a redshirt, just know he lets the freshman decide
April 19th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Great thread. Sorry I missed it.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
goddamn, I can’t type worth shit. Bobby Mo, not booby mo, though that looks funny.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Wha?
Kill them first.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Not sure I’d ever want to enter into a handshakle agreement. Sounds restricting and painful.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
They actually just found a pesticide that was previously undetected in causing CDD (colony collapes disorder). Honey bees are actually in a critical point in the USA. That was a pretty big discovery.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
So I guess I have to pull out the old NCAA rulebook on you then.
The NLI is talking about the time period from when a prospect signs the document to the time he steps on campus. For any athlete that participated with his team:
14.5.5.2.10 is a one-time transfer exception that allows athletes to not have to serve a year but part (a) of the rule says it has to be a sport other than baseball, basketball, FBS football, or men’s ice hockey
April 19th, 2012 at 11:50 AM
I have challenged that rogue Bobby Staub to a duel.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:50 AM
I know a dude that got married in his beekeeper suit…. real talk
April 19th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Thanks, Coach K & Jose.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Link? I’m actually interested.
Even though I’m just a backyard gardener, the idea of bees disappearing is scary. I used to kill the wasps off because they’re agressive, but I try to leave them alone now.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I’m pretty sure slaves got room and board
/No, I don’t think college athletes are slaves
//Or indentured servants
Look up the post about Bobby Petrino’s home.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I read all of those articles about the bee population eroding. Glad they solved the mystery.
April 19th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
laughoutloud
April 19th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Just one of many. I’ve been keeping close tabs on this. Thank God mine hasn’t been hit yet.
Thanks, most everyone else.
April 19th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Everything about Gawker is the worst, the layout, the comments, everything.
/stretches for the commenter tryouts
April 19th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
The NCAA is enforcing the LOI’s provision.
April 19th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Should have said not entirely true.
April 19th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
No, it’s not. The NCAA has it’s own provision, in it’s own rulebook. There are some schools that don’t subscribe to the NLI but the athletes there are held to the same transfer rules. Just trust me on this, not signing a LOI is not a way around the transfer rules.
April 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
It’s a combination of having a three year old and then reading comments here. I can only take so much back talk and tantrums in a day. It puts me on edge.
throw in a 6-year old with the 3-year old and that’s why I come here…
April 19th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Don’t get why the coach in this situation is held to a lesser standard that the student athlete, regardless of the amateur/professional designation. Practice what you preach…
April 19th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Bo Ryan came off poorly because this is probably the first time in his life in which a member of the media actually pressed him on an issue. Except for Jay Bilas the college basketball media treats coaches with kid gloves.
April 19th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Seems like a nice guy, that Bo Ryan.