The Big 12 Has Had Great College QBs Recently … Who Haven’t Done Much in the NFL
Here’s a terrific piece from 2010 about the recent history of Big 12 QBs. It is undeniable that the conference has had some fantastic college QBs. What did they end up doing in the NFL? That’s another story.
Scott Frost, Nebraska: Led the Cornhuskers to a title, was an awesome run-pass QB. Played secondary in the NFL (for 59 games).
Brad Smith, Missouri: 8,000 yard passer, 4,000 yard rusher … is a Swiss Army Knife player with the Jets & Bills (WR, returns, Wildcat, option)
Vince Young, Texas: Legendary college QB had three good NFL seasons but never lived up to where he was drafted (3rd overall)
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech: Legendary high school QB in Texas put up cartoonish #s for the Red Raiders (and once finished 4th in the Heisman race), but went undrafted.
Chase Daniel, Missouri: ESPN the Magazine cover-boy and Heisman finalist put up prolific stats for the Tigers. Went undrafted.
Those are just five names from the last 15 years. Frost and Smith were never considered traditional, pocket QBs. Young was just too impressive at the college level to pass up. Harrell and Daniel were considered system guys who are currently on NFL rosters. The league traditionally hasn’t produced drop-back, NFL QBs.
But wait!
In the last few years, these guys have attempted to become legit NFL QBs: Sam Braford, Josh Freeman and Colt McCoy.
All three have kind of had the same career (granted, it’s still very early) – Above average first full season (especially Freeman) and then a step back.
Sam Bradford (1st pick in 2010): Promising rookie season. Significant step back last year (only six TD passes in 10 games), granted the offensive line was awful and Bradford was injured. He also had no weapons.
Josh Freeman (17th pick in 2009): As a rookie backup he threw 18 INTs and 10 TDs, but as the starter in 2010, he led the Bucs to a 10-6 record and threw 25 TDs vs. just six INTs. Last season he regressed – 16 TDs, 22 INTs. His completion percentage was almost the same, but his Yards per attempt went down from 7.3 to 6.5.
Colt McCoy (3rd round pick, 65th overall in 2010): He’s only had 21 starts, and as a 3rd round pick, there’s far less pressure on him to deliver. His completion percentage is on par with what Bradford and Freeman have done.
Which leads us to the alleged bumper crop of Big 12 QBs in this year’s draft: much-loved Robert Griffin III of Baylor, increasingly well-liked Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M and old man Brandon Weeden. I’d proceed with caution on all three, but I’m not an NFL GM (yet).
Note: Last year, among the top 30 defenses in college football, guess how many were Big 12 teams? Zero. But hey, Trent Dilfer, keep hyping RG3 and Tannehill.

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April 12th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
The PAC only had two.
Utah and Stanford.
Luck played for Stanford.
Who did not play Utah.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
I’m thoroughly interested in the list of guys who did not attempt to become legit NFL QBs.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
No love for former Cyclone Seneca Wallace?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
This is why Luck is so well-prepared.
/I’d compare him to Carney Lansford
April 12th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Major Applewhite?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Remember when Jeff Tedford quarterbacks were bad until Aaron Rodgers wasn’t?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Mike McCarthy works miracles. He’ll be all right.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I’m legitimately interested in how the you chose those 5 people.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Griffin did play against #28 TCU and proceeded to shred them.
I also like the arbitrary “Top 30″ which conveniently eliminates Oklahoma (#31) and Texas (#33) who were less then half a point worse than the #30 team.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
The biggest flaw in this argument, is that the representative skills and tools displayed by these QBs have been, by-and-large, properly assessed by scouts and GMs.
If Graham Harrell and Kliff Kingsbury had been 1st round flops, this would make more sense.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Couldn’t this same post be written for multiple conferences?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Who Griffin played exceedingly well against…but we’re carving a narrative here.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
shhhhh. that’s next week’s bread and butter.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
It’s difficult to have success in the NFL.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Which brings up Chris Simms. Outside of the Manning family, has there ever been a child who was better than their fathers at the same job? Everyone else has sucked or not lived up to expectations, right?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
This was either intentionally or unintentionally funny. I can’t determine which.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Well the BigTen hasn’t really had great college qbs in the last 10 or so years, and if you ignore Purdue, they have even less NFL success.
/Probably forgetting somebody.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Stands to reason, though. No way they can have the same intensity and drive.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Brett Hull and Ken Griffey Jr.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
The Big 12 reminds me of my favorite beverage: Coke.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
I’ll take the Golden Jet over Brett.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Niceeeeeeeeeee
Bonds..
April 12th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Super Bowl champion Jim Sorgi
April 12th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
I have to believe that one of the major reasons why so few Big 12 teams have statistically good defenses is because they’re playing above-average to great offenses week in and week out. I have a hard time believing teams like Rutgers, Temple, FIU, and BYU were much better defensively than OU or Texas.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Bensonized
April 12th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Of course you would.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
the big 10 reminds me of my favorite beverage: gravy.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Are CFB defensive ranks determined by same metrics as NFL, yards allowed?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Hilarious. Brees should be executed for stupidity if he was to sit out a year because he got franchised
April 12th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
So because 15 years ago Scott Frost played defense in the NFL after carving up a conference that doesn’t even have the same teams it does now, let alone players, Tannehill will suck as an NFL QB….Logic.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Prince Fielder
/drops mic
April 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
disagree. he should be commended for his morals being worth more than additional greed.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
im sure one of shawn kemp’s kids can pull that off.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
The Rock
April 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Which brings up Chris Simms. Outside of the Manning family, has there ever been a child who was better than their fathers at the same job? Everyone elsehas sucked or not lived up to expectations, right?\
Brett Hart
/mrejer’d
April 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
More NFL GM’s should use what happened 15 years ago as a predictor for success as opposed to film.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Andrew Luck?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
davis love III was a better pro than davis love, jr. young tom morris > old tom morris.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
eh, Archie Manning is overrated as a player.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
I will go to my grave believing that Archie was better than any of his sons.
The answer to the trivia question: What kept Texas from a national championship in 2001?
An acceptable alternate answer: Mack Brown’s idiocy.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Austin Rivers, now that he’s out from under Duke’s terrible regime.
/TBL
April 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
ken griffey jr > sr
April 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
William Pitt the Younger > William Pitt the Elder
April 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Does George W Bush qualify since he won two terms?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Lord Palmerston!
April 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
i think billy ripken was better than cal sr.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Does George W Bush qualify since he won two terms?
much more entertaining than his old man, but the H.W. was a much better athlete.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Other than an article written in 2010, what was the catalyst for writing this?
April 12th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
McIntyre doesn’t care for Robert Griffin because being a contrarian is fun
April 12th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Glenn Robinson III
//Crosses fingers.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
I’m not sold yet based on college careers. Oliver did pretty well with much less around him at WVU in a run-dominated era.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Jace was a fan of RGIII way before he won the heisman. But now, he’s just meh.
/hipster TBL’d
April 12th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
By my count, including conference realignment and assuming that Luck and Griffin III start immediately, I think it will look like this:
ACC: 6 (Hasselbeck, Vick, Rivers, Ponder, Schaub, Ryan)
Big 12: 6 (Dalton, McCoy, Gabbert, Freeman, Bradford, RG3)
Big Ten: 2 (Brady, Brees)
Big East: 0
Pac 12: 7 (Rogers, Sanchez, Palmer, Cassell, Smith, Moore, Luck)
SEC: 5 (Manning x2, Newton, Cutler, Stafford)
Other: 6 (Kolb/Skelton, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, Romo, Roethlisberger, Jackson)
April 12th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
had to put something up to make it to Applebee’s Half Off Happy Hour Apps
April 12th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
2011 QB Rating — I know not the best stat, but it works for this
1. Rodgers — PAC 10
2. Brees — Big 10
3. Brady — Big 10
4. Romo — D2
5. Stafford — SEC
6. Schaub — ACC
7. E. Manning — SEC
8. Ryan — ACC
9. Smith — Moutain West
10. Ben — MAC
11. Rivers — ACC
12. Moore — PAC 10
13. Cutler — SEC
14. Vick — Big East
15. Newton — SEC
16. Hasselbeck — Big East
17. Kolb — CUSA
18. Flacco — D2
19. Palmer — PAC 10
20. Dalton — Mountain West
I guess the point Im trying to make is that there is no reason why being from a certain conference makes you a better QB
April 12th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
MP, Locker will probably start this year for the Titans. Same thing for Flynn and Seattle.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
MP’s post is much better
April 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
By the way…can we refer to him as just Robert Griffin? I don’t know his father or grandfather, so he needs no further distinction.
“I’d take Robert Griffin #1 overall.”
“Really? He’s 80 years old! Oh, you must mean Robert Griffin III.”
April 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
I also cannot in good conscience count Vick as a ACC member. He was not in the ACC. It’s like the big ten network showing Tommie Frazier highlights.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Oh right, thanks Tom. So Pac-12 with 8, ACC with 6, and Other with 5.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
The bets one is Dalton, and he never played a snap in the Big 12. The rest are poor to terrible.
Except that two of the top 3 are B1G this is true. And Rodgers was a Juco transfer, not sure he even counts.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
I was too lazy to try and remember which years each QB was in college and when each team changed conferences.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Hard to count Dalton since they were WAC at that time.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
I’m not sure even Lisk could rustle the necessary and relevant statistics to determine a correlation between conference affiliation and NFL success. The turnover of rosters in college is too great. Style of play changes far too often what with the amount of coaching changes.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Freeman >>>>> Dalton. Hell, I’d take a flyer on RG3 over Dalton at this point.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
I think it’s clear, if you’re conference isn’t 3 letters, a BIG or PAC 10 you’re a shitty national football league quarterback
April 12th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Chase Daniel does have that epic booger picking video. Thats a classic
April 12th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Heisman trophy winner.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Troy Smith and Russell Wilson were good college QBs. Pretty sure Chad Henne and John Navarre were too.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
You’d take a flyer on the consensus #2 pick in the draft over a guy drafted 35th overall? Get off your limb, sir, before it breaks.
April 12th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
i can’t wait until the front page image is just a rotation of advertisements.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
And remember when he was a JUCO who Tedford got when his foundation was already laid, then his QBs went right back to sucking when he left?
/what were we talking about?
April 12th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Amended:
ACC: 4 (Rivers, Ponder, Schaub, Ryan)
Big 12: 5 (McCoy, Gabbert, Freeman, Bradford, RG3)
Big Ten: 2 (Brady, Brees)
Big East: 1 (Vick)
Pac 12: 7 (Rogers, Sanchez, Palmer, Cassell, Moore, Locker, Luck)
SEC: 6 (Manning x2, Newton, Cutler, Stafford, Flynn)
Other: 7 (Kolb/Skelton, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, Romo, Roethlisberger, Dalton, Smith)
April 12th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Anybody who watched RG3 play any meaningful amount of time, and doubts his abilities…well, they lack football knowledge, pure and simple.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
I found a shitty website with 85 animated gifs of Jennifer Love Hewitt if you’d like it to devolve further.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Or the ESPN Big 10 “blog” declarign Nebraska the best Big 10 team of the last 15 years…
Screw that network\website\magazine\etc.\etc.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:24 PM
The league doesn’t play defense save for Texas. When you NEVER face stiff defenses, this is what happens. It also hurts them that they have systems where the coaches make 90% of the calls and reads when they look to the god damn sideline for help.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Nope. They just don’t have good DCs. It’s not a coincidence that Texas plays great D. They had Boom and now Diaz running the show. When Mike Stoops was at OU, the Sooners played great D. When Pelini and NEB were in the B12, they played great D. TCU will play good D now that they’re in the B12, but OKST, Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, Iowa State, Kansas et. al. will still suck until they upgrade their hires.
April 12th, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Damn. The SEC may not put a lot of them out, but the ones that hit certainly do well.
April 12th, 2012 at 6:51 PM
Poor post. Moving on.
April 12th, 2012 at 8:04 PM
Holy shit this was a stupid post. Just ill informed and plain retarded.
April 13th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Who is the best-ever NFL QB to come out of a big XII school? They ran the wishbone for so long they never bothered to develop QB’s. Unless you count Troy Aikman (started his career at OU), i’d have to say the best is either Kordell Stewart or Vince Young?