“NFL Scout” Thinks There Are Five QBs in the 2012 Draft Better Than Cam Newton
We’re still a few weeks from the 2012 NFL Draft. This period – from now until the week the players descend upon New York – is also known as the time when Everyone Says Really Stupid Things Trying to Create a Storyline.
“I think there’s five [Quarterbacks] that are better than any of them last year,” said one of the two scouts I talked to over the weekend about the quarterback class.
Want to say Andrew Luck is better than Cam Newton? I would listen to that argument. RG3? No. Ryan Tannehill? Hell no. Brandon Weedon – whom I like a lot – and Kirk Cousins? Get the fuck out. No, really, get the fuck out.
But wait, there’s more lunacy!
One of the scouts said [Luck & Griffin] are elite prospects, better than the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers-Ben Roethlisberger class that went Nos. 1, 4 and 11, respectively in the ’04 draft and that has won four Super Bowls combined.
Right. After eight years in the NFL, what are the chances Luck & Griffin have one Super Bowl trip?
Hey, only three more weeks of this garbage.
My favorite (almost never-told) RG3 story – Baylor led lowly Texas Tech 31-28 at the half last season. RG3 sat out the 2nd half with a concussion. His backup, Nick Florence, came off the bench to go 9-for-12 for 151 yards and two TDs, plus ran for another. Baylor scored 66 points. Big 12 offenses and defenses … gotta love ‘em. My stance on RG3 remains the same – good QB, I’d draft him in the Top 10, but there’s no way I would have given up what Washington did to get him.
Luck, RGIII best QB prospects in years [Green Bay Press-Gazette]
Previously: The Career Arc of Ryan Tannehill From Receiver at Texas A&M to Potential Top 5 Draft Pick
Previously: According To Mike Wilbon, the Colts Are Still Considering Robert Griffin III
Previously: The Trade For Robert Griffin III Dwarfs Every Other Trade To Get A Quarterback at the Top of the Draft
Previously: What the Statistical Wizards at Harvard Think of the Washington Redskins Trade to Get Robert Griffin
Previously: Congratulations, Robert Griffin III, You’re About to be Drafted By an Idiotic Washington Organization
Previously: Redskins Trade Two No. 1 Picks to the Rams, Will Select Robert Griffin in the 2012 NFL Draft
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April 10th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Some people have made an entire career of this. One is probably on your TV right now.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Everyone Says Really Stupid Things Trying to Create a
StorylineTrollyline.I like that better.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
This post is from the Colin Cowherd school of how to win an argument nobody is really making. Find a guy who said something outlandish, an argument nobody else is really making and one that cannot really be objectively proven, and hammer it to death.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Hey, that’s time for at least four more mock drafts that include Vontaze Burfict…turn that frown upside down
April 10th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
I bet Cam Newton regresses this season.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
“NFL Scout”
Why are there quotations around NFL Scout?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Fixed to remove unnecessary language.
/hope that worked
April 10th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Get the fuck out. No, really, get the fuck out.
But wait, there’s more lunacy!
TBL gets worked up over some pretty benign stuff sometimes. I approve. Angry TBL posts are entertaining.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
More jarring is that he thinks there are 5 QB’s better than Andy Dalton. Weeden & Cousins don’t belong in the discussion, and I have no clue on Tannehill, even though I’ve watched about 15 of his starts.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Heard someone say that Trent Richardson would be better than Barry Sanders.
I’m going on record right now: There’s no fucking way Trent Richardson is better than Barry Sanders. NONE. Write it down, people!
/creating a story
April 10th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
How well did you think he was going to do this time last year?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
i think luck will be better than any of the eli/rivers/big ben class, to be honest. he’s seriously the best QB prospect to go into the draft since peyton.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
jarring dalton? must be marmalade.
/tip your waitresses
April 10th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Jeremy Lin is an MVP candidate.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
“internet blogger thinks mark sanchez is good qb.”
This period – from the beginning of the season to the end – is also known as the time when Everyone Says Really Stupid Things Trying to Create a Storyline.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Surprised this didn’t link to your Tiger-HGH story. That was a fun one.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
wasn’t the “expert” consensus that Luck is the best QB prospect since Manning? Who’s arguing that Newton was a better prospect?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
/ATL_Badger’d
April 10th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
How do you not give the MVP to the most iconic, feel-good story of 2012?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
One of the scouts said [Luck & Griffin] are elite prospects, better than the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers-Ben Roethlisberger class that went Nos. 1, 4 and 11, respectively in the ’04 draft and that has won four Super Bowls combined.
Right. After eight years in the NFL, what are the chances Luck & Griffin have one Super Bowl trip?
The scout said that they were better prospects. What does that have anything to do with how many Super Bowl trips the 2004 class has made?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
who is more the idiot?
The idiot who creates the storylines or the blogger who makes a blog post about the storyline?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Hey, only three more weeks of this
/weeps
//Browns fan’s favorite time of the year
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
These experts should be shot like those Ol’ Miss people, right TBL?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
fixed.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Well enough to draft and start him at the beginning of the season in two of my fantasy leagues. Fucking genius move on my part.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
not enough criminal history to be a “feel-good story” around here, Rex.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I wouldn’t.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
These scouts either suffer from recency bias or they are just yanking that Green Bay writer’s chain.
Newton made a lot of people eat crow last year. I wouldn’t bet against him.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I would actually be interested to know the order in which GMs would take Luck, Griffin, and Newton.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I’ll go with the commenter that comments about the blog that was posted about the storyline that was created.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
As long as a writer can have an ‘anonymous scout’ say something profoundly stupid, said writer can get all the views and none of the blame. Well played.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Some people have made an entire career of this. One is probably on your TV right nowSlick!
April 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
I saw one comparison, mentioning that Luck was the best since John Elway.
I remember when I used to really love the NFL draft.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Tap the brakes, but still, let’s see how Newton does in Year 2 with a lot of game film out there for DC’s to break him down.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
His backup, Nick Florence, came off the bench to go 9-for-12 for 151 yards and two TDs, plus ran for another. Baylor scored 66 points. Big 12 offenses and defenses … gotta love ‘em
may want to mention terrance ganaway had 200 yds and a few tds on the ground. the plug and play pitch doesnt really work here.
Also, and i have said this a million times, the pac 12 defenses are horrid as well. so by your logic, luck should be given a little bit of the stink eye.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
8 years into his career Eli had 1 SB trip to Peyton’s 0. So clearly Eli is the better Manning.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Unless you are going to run this post again and apologize if that turns out to be true, I don’t really care what you think.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Fun Fact: Out of the storied 2009 NFL draft, only Curtis Painter has made it to the Super Bowl, compare that to all the QB’s taken before him in the previous 200 draft picks that year.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
I bet Cam Newton regresses this season.
It’s possible. Defensive Coordinators will gameplan on how to stop him. It’s up to Carolina to devise a way of keeping him alive and positive.
As for the rest, even if Luck, RG3, etc are great, it’s also important who takes them and what situations they enocounter. If the Skins keep trading picks and don’t build around RG3, he’s not going to make them great.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
And what do you do?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Big Grey is still getting credit for that first SB win?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
may want to mention terrance ganaway had 200 yds and a few tds on the ground. the plug and play pitch doesnt really work here. MPIII
Sorry. Doesn’t fit the narrative.
/Obligatory’d
April 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Anybody have any data on offensive plays or offensive possessions? Not to defend Big 12 defenses, but I’m guessing the numbers (points, yards) are skewed by the faster pace.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
eventually this will turn out the smartest person on the blog are the ones that were banned from commenting.
i like the implications.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
It’s also up to them to give him an upgrade at #2 WR. Because Legedu Naanee is not that.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
I have an anonymous astrophysicist that says the big bang wasn’t that big and there will be a bigger one next year.
/Page Views Son
//Hella getting that internet money making paypal rain on some live cam hoes
April 10th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Oh hi, Mark, Mason Plumlee is coming back for his senior year!
April 10th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Wouldn’t have gotten there without his performance in the 3 other playoffs games that year. Especially the Indy game.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Thats pretty common for most 2nd year quarterbacks yes? Lisk figure it out.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Hey now. There’s no place for that kind of back and forth around here.
Beekeepers unite!
April 10th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
At least Big Ben was the starter. This dude at my office refuses to acknowledge that Tim Tebow played a secondary role in UF’s 2007 BCS title win.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
And what do you do?
The strength of Luck+RGIII as prospects at the time of the draft v. the class of 2004 has nothing to do with future Super Bowl trips, which rely on the actual development of the QBs, the team around them, etc. I don’t understand the point of your question, however.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
If you use logic to point something out the fearless troll leader questions what you do for a living.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Just look at how he did in the second half of the season.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Ah, I see, we are in agreement
April 10th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Tim, it was a callback (meme yet?) to a thread from the ‘where will Manning play’ timeline.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
99%
April 10th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Lin stealing the MVP would result in the heist movie getting green lit, so we’ve got that going for us…which is nice.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
THIS. Just as bad. Comical to suggest otherwise.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
How would you know this if the only Pac 12 games you saw all year were Stanford/Notre Dame and Oregon/USC?
April 10th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Didn’t read the comments yet, so this may have been discussed, but saying someone is a better prospect doesn’t mean he will be a better QB. So when you ask, “how many Super Bowl trips will RG3 have in 8 years,” it’s not exactly apples to apples when a scout says someone is a better prospect than someone else.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Don’t think I really agree with this. I think the idea that they’re both “horrible” is what’s a bit overblown. By the same token, each conference’s offensive capabilities are light years ahead of what they play in the SEC.
What’s really comical is suggesting that this year’s Louisville team has four NBA prospects.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Well, Washington’s made B12 DC’s blush, but by and large no league plays worse defense than the B12. They simply don’t value it outside of Texas and new comer TCU.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
I bet Blaine Gabbert regresses next season.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
I doubt it’s 99% JayV, but I’d only need even odds to bet on 1+.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Are they, though? I mean, LSU and Bama averaged 40 a game when not playing each other. UGA put up 30+ a game I believe, or very close to it. Arkansas is a machine offensively. Half of the league (pre expansion) is shit offensively (Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St, Tenn, Kent, Florida in 2011) but half of it is pretty good. Hell, Tennessee should have an amazing offense this year if Bray stays healthy.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Venables is gone, but the prodigal brother returns. OU’s defense always had talent…scheme lacked at times.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Odds that Luck or Griffin break the Kordoza Line in their rookie season?
April 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Should be interesting to see them with a new DC, but they have sucked since he left defensively save for one or two years. OU has gone all-in on the spread, no-huddle attack on offense and the defense has been put on the back burner for some time now. That could all change with Mike back in the fold, though. If they ever get a defense like they had when Stoops first arrived they will be just as stout as Alabama. OU is everything Texas should be as a program.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
That’ll be easy to do from the bench. Henne will win the job with no problem.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson and AJ McCarron. Those guys limit the ability of those offenses significantly. Sure they could put up a lot of points, but how often were they the result of great special teams (field position and actual points), or great defense (turnovers and actual points)?
Also, Oregon, a team that is mocked for its defense, did just as well as any other team at slowing down Cam Newton in the National Championship game two years ago.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
That’s because faggy spread offenses aren’t nearly as intimidating when you have a month to prepare for them. Unless of course you’re Wisconsin and you forgot to watch game film and instead ate copious amounts of bacon and cheese all month long.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Based strictly on African-American population and the number of D1 schools in each state, Georgia is the most underachieving program in the country. There are as many black people in Georgia as there are in all of Texas.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
With all the Saints crap I almost miss this over the top months of nothing but ridicluous draft talk. Almost.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Texas is different. They have the pick of the litter in their state more so than any school other than maybe LSU in Louisiana. Georgia has Florida, FSU, Bama, Auburn, Clemson, Tenn, South Carolina, Ga Tech, Notre Dame, Stanford, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska all coming in, and the first 7 of those schools have been coming in for a long time.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Oh, and Texas only has Oklahoma to deal with each year when compared to what SEC schools face.
/real talk
//but I agree that UGA has underachieved when you look at their resources
April 10th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Is this kosher? Seems like not a lot to base that on
April 10th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
50%
April 10th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Pennypacker was one of the smartest people here? That’s disturbing.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
I think you can base that assertion on almost any criteria.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
There are as many black people in Georgia as there are in all of TexasWell, they keep weeding ‘em out in East Texas, so that puts the demographics out of whack.
/ Vidor’d
April 10th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Couldn’t you say this is all the fault of Georgia? There’s nothing making Georgia inherently different to recruit for out-of-state schools than any other state, except for the fact that Georgia just can’t hold it down like LSU in La., Ohio State in Ohio, etc.
April 10th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Not Georgia per se, but Richt’s fault, yes.
April 11th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Georgia was down in the 90s after Dooley left, but I’m not sure how they’re underachieving. They’ve won the SEC twice over the last ten years… that’s as many times as Alabama and Florida.
Of course people measure national championships, but national championships are mythical in nature. Florida has never had an undefeated season but they have 3 national championships. Auburn went undefeated one season and didn’t get a championship. A few seasons later LSU lost twice and won the title.
About the only thing a team can control is winning their conference and UGA has been one of the best teams in the SEC over the last 12 years.