College Basketball Top 25 For 2012-2013 [Very, Very Early Edition]
A college basketball preseason Top 25 for the 2012-2013 season in April? What about transfers? Late NBA defections? Recruiting stunners? We’ll adjust this list in a few weeks when all of that is sorted out. We did this exercise last April and three of the four teams that played in the Final Four last weekend were in the top seven. The only team omitted was Kansas. Remember how much you screamed about the omission of Arizona? Good times.
1. Indiana (27-9, Sweet 16) – Nobody brings back more than the Hoosiers, who lost in the Sweet 16 to eventual champ Kentucky. Their top five scorers are back (as long as Christian Watford stays), along with potential 1st team All-American Cody Zeller (if he hasn’t left for the NBA yet, he’s staying, right?). There are two highly-touted recruits coming in. If Watford leaves, still Top 3; if Watford and Zeller depart, the Hooisers are still 15-25 material.
2. Louisville (30-10, Final 4) – Lose seniors Kyle Kuric & Chris Smith, but one could argue their best four players return (Siva, Dieng, Behanan, Russ Smith). Toss in Swopshire and Blackshear, plus Buckles and Marra coming off injury, and the Cardinals will definitely be the class of the Big East. [UPDATE: Buckles' knee injury in January could keep him out all next year, too.]
3. North Carolina (32-6, Elite 8) – We covered the Tar Heels last week, and they’re this high based on the assumption that Roy Williams is able to convince Alex Oriakhi to go to Chapel Hill and James Michael McAdoo sticks around. Yes, Oriakhi only had modest numbers the last two years at UConn, but he’s a center, something the Tar Heels won’t have without him. There’s a reason everyone’s trying to land him. Without Oriakhi and McAdoo, UNC isn’t a Top 20 team.
4. Kentucky (38-2, National Champs) - They’ll lose Davis, Jones, MKG and maybe even Teague to the NBA. Senior Darius Miller graduates. But you know how Calipari rolls – he’s going to try and reload with 5-star recruits - maybe he’ll land Shabazz Muhammad, the country’s top senior. Lamb (he’s staying, right?) and Wiltjer are poised for big seasons, too. Note: I’d venture a guess that there’s a small chance Calipari leaves, depending on who wins the lottery, er, Anthony Davis.
5. NC State (24-13, Sweet 16) – Yes, you think this is too high. But elite recruits + returning talent = recipe for success. Yes, we’ll amend it if CJ Leslie leaves for the NBA.
6 Michigan (24-10, First Round) – Lofty ranking contingent upon the return of point guard Trey Burke, who is flirting with the NBA. Without Burke, they fall down into the teens.
7. Florida (26-11, Elite 8) – They’ll be losing their best talent, Brad Beal, and taco-stealing PG Erving Walker. But a bachcourt of Boynton and Rosario, while small, can score. With Murphy, Prather and Young returning, that’s a very sound frontcourt. Depending on what happens with Kentucky recruits, the Gators could be the best team in the SEC.
8. Memphis (26-9, 1st round) – So far they’ve only lost Witherspoon (graduation) and Will Barton (NBA), and if nobody else leaves, they’re still bringing back seven of their top nine players. Same deal as every year for Josh Pastner – the roster is teeming with talent, but can Memphis play as a team?
9. Syracuse (34-3, Elite 8) – The Orange lose four starters – Joseph and Scoop to graduation; Waiters and Melo to the NBA – but should still be a Top 3 team in the Big East. I’ll guess the starters: Triche, Carter-Williams, Fair, Southerland and Christmas. Talented, but they lack a takeover scorer, though.
10. Creighton (29-6, 2nd round) - Four of five starters return, including their top two reserves. Doug McDermott, a first-team All-American, probably could get this team to the Elite 8. The Blue Jays will be the nation’s best mid-major and perhaps in the mix for a 3-4 seed in March.
11. Kansas (32-7, Title Game) – Lose their best two players in Taylor and Robinson (NBA), but they bring three pivotal role players back (Elijah Johnson, Travis Releford, Jeff Withey). Can Withey develop an offensive game and turn into an 18-10 guy? Bill Self has two quality recruits coming in, so yet again, the Jayhawks will be near the top of the Big 12.
12. Baylor (30-8, Elite 8) – Losing Jones and Acy will hurt. Their top frontcourt reserve, Anthony Jones, graduates, too. But the backcourt of Jackson/Heslip is back, as are their top two guard reserves (Bello, Walton). If Quincy Miller stays, he’ll be the go-to guy, but he’ll need help. If Miller returns and incoming freshman (7-footer Isaiah Austin) is good as advertised, the Bears could win the Big 12.
13. Maryland (17-15) - This is extremely optimistic, but the Terps return a ton, and I’m expecting big leaps for Len and Howard.
14. Butler (22-15, NIT) – Lose senior guard Ronald Nored, but they’ll be adding Arkansas transfer transfer Rotnei Clarke. So your four top scorers are back, plus one of the country’s best 3-point shooters? Let’s just pencil in Brad Stevens for a deep NCAA run.
15. San Diego State (26-8, First Round) – Top three scorers are back for the Aztecs, who could be as high as a 4-seed in March. With UNLV’s Moser leaving for the NBA, Jamaal Franklin of SDSU might be the best player in the conference. [UPDATE: Moser was going. Then, he decided to stay. Doesn't change my SDSU prediction, but I'd go Moser > Franklin.]
16 Tennessee (19-15, NIT) – Four starters are back from a team that started to look pretty good in February. Jarnell Stokes, who had a nice 2nd half of the season, could be a 1st team All-SEC candidate.
17. Michigan State (29-8, Sweet 16) - Impossible to replace Draymond Green, but the Spartans do return Payne (whom I really like), Dawson (nice freshman year) and Appling. Strong recruiting class should have the Spartans battling for 3rd in the conference (unless Burke leaves Michigan, then 2nd place is wide open).
18. Arizona (23-12, NIT) – Solid returning pair in Hill and Nick Johnson plus strong recruits (some are calling it the top class) = narrowly the best team in the Pac-12? The frontcourt will be fine, but they’ll have some issues at guard. Especially if Turner doesn’t return.
19. UCLA (19-14, NIT) - Only in the Top 25 because of Kyle Anderson, a super-recruit who probably will be enough to get them to the NCAA tournament. The Ware twins didn’t do much last year, but there’s still room for improvement. We’ve hammered Howland since last summer, and it’ll be interesting to see if the recruits end up at UCLA or bolt for … Kentucky?
20. Ohio State (31-8, Final 4) - Losing Sullinger and Buford will hurt, but if Deshaun Thomas leaves for the NBA, they’re not nearly this high. Smith and Craft are a nice place to start, but guys like Ravenel, Sibert and Weatherspoon did absolutely nothing this season. All were nice recruits, but can they go from being non-factors to playing 30 minutes a night and contributing significantly in the Big Ten? This is under the assumption Thomas leaves for the NBA. If he stays, they Buckeyes are Top 10.
21. Marquette (27-8, Sweet 16) - Lose their top two players (DJO, Crowder) but Blue and Mayo are two nice guards to build around. If Gardner can lose 10 pounds, why can’t he be a 16-9 guy next year? The 290-pounder averaged 9.5 points and 5.3 rebounds in 19 minutes a night. Typical unheralded recruiting class by Buzz Williams … full of guys who will make recruiting pundits look silly in two years.
22. Miami (20-13, 9-7, NIT) - Four starters – including their two leading scorers plus space-eater Reggie Johnson inside – are back from a squad that beat Duke in Cameron. Could be a sleeper in what might just be a decent year in the ACC.
23. Harvard (26-5, First Round) – Lose two starters, but Tommy Amaker’s got a strong roster and even some ready-to-play recruits coming in. Should be able to win a game in the tourney next March.
24. BYU (26-9, First Round) – Lose two starters, but if you’re a Carlino fan – he was awful against Iona, but otherwise had a solid year in Provo – and you like Davies, expect another NCAA trip out of the Cougars.
25. Duke (27-7, First Round) – It’s more of a slap in the face to put them here then leave them out, right? If you’re looking for reasoning, we explored matters here.

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April 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Buckeyes will be top 10.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Oh and way to not mention Ross or Williams.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 PM
I’d say there is no better than a 10% chance he stays.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 PM
that Elite smiley face is funny
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Most likely scenario right there
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Bill Self has two quality recruits coming in, so yet again, the Jayhawks will be near the top of the Big 12.
He has two quality recruits that were ineligible this season plus Perry Ellis coming. The Jayhawks will be just fine and thank you for underranking them for about the fourth year in a row.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Huh?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 PM
OT – If any of you guys are into the “Arcade Fire” sound… check out a band called “Dry the River” out of London. Cool sound. Weights and Measures is a good song.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Later: 2012 AL West Division Preview [Very, very late edition]
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Unless UNC has a top PG, I don’t think they’ll be worth much next year. Still good, but not Final Four material.
I’m wary of Memphis until Pastner proves he can do more than recruit.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Ohio U is a huge omission here IMO. Brings back starting five..Mizzou transfer coming in from a team that was one free throw away from elite 8. They’ll be one of the oldest teams in the tourney (and their old is good).
Also, I think Thomas is gone (new father)..if he did come back, OSU is guaranteed top 10 considering they’ll be more athletic and have shot blocking.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
No international teams? When was the last time that happened?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Predictions!!!
Pretty amazing you had Ohio St and Kentucky in the top 7 though, you must have a knack for these prediction things.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Doesn’t Providence have two of the top recruits in the country coming in next season? Do they have enough returning to make a dent?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
I also don’t know how you don’t have Notre Dame here. Or Gonzaga. Both should be top 25 without any question whatsoever.
0% chance Harvard is a top 25 team next year. Definitely not buying UCLA either. Do agree that Butler will be back next year, though.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Moser decided to stay.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Raw review
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Some top notch hedging there
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 PM
if Arkansas can find a way to keep BJ Young (probably not likely) I think they will be pretty solid next year. They get Marshawn Powell back, lose some dead weight seniors and will have a lot of experience coming back from this year.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Just put Kentucky at number one every year. Does anybody really think they’re not getting Muhammad and Noel?
No love for Texas or Providence. Not surprising, given JCB’s departure.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 PM
I really want to care about this, but sorry, I just can’t. From the evidence I’ve seen so far, it looks like ratings will probably be down next year. So this is where I say goodbye to college hoops forever.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Ledo qualifying is still up in the air given the vast number of high schools he’s attended. They do get an Arizona transfer, former top 100 Sidiki Johnson, as well. But they lack size. I won’t be surprised if they squeak into the top 25 for a week or two.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
No international teams? When was the last time that happened?
well played.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
I’d rather see a post from Duffy about Michigan recruiting than a poll from a sport that is losing viewers, and – judging by all of the empty seats at the Superdome – paying customers at a rapid pace.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
hope those top returning scorer’s can play defense, because while Rotnei can shoot, he can defend a lick.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Based on the previous post (Ratings!) no one really cares, right?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Not sure what is more lol worthy:
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April 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I believe Moser is staying thus you might want to put UNLV on this list.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Call me a homer, but I think you’re ranking MSU too low.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Calhoun should be making a decision this week, or at least suppose to. I know the Hartford Courtant has been writing about Kevin Ollie and possibly being named future head coach, which is illegal to do in CT with a state school. I also have read that Oriakhi is probably going to try to wait as long as possible to decide till the NCAA makes a decision on the last appeal to use newer grading scores to determine this year. If he transfers and they win, he has to sit out the year.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
lol. they wont even win the WCC.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Right. Wisconsin is NEVER in the top 25. Except for, like, every single year. Particularly when Wisconsin brings back 70% of its scoring and 80% of its rebounding, as well as the best recruit Bo Ryan’s ever brought to Madison. I guess these things don’t matter because no one’s going to criticize anyone for leaving out the Badgers–people just don’t like ‘em, so they don’t care about being wrong.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Made the same mistake last year omitting the Badgers when they just going what they do…could be a better team next year even without Jordan Taylor assuming with the Ape they start scoring in the paint again and don’t rely on the 3 so much
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
MSU and OSU are too low. Indiana and Michigan are about right. Wisconsin should be on here somewhere.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Agreed…the Zags return a far, far stronger team. Surprised TBL left them out, he’s usually high on Gonzaga.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
GU does and SMC does as well. i think he might be drunk.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
along with potential 1st team All-American Cody Zeller (if he hasn’t left for the NBA yet, he’s staying, right?).
Most mock drafts have Zeller in the #6-#8 range, right behind the MKG/Robinson/Sullinger/Barnes pile-up that happens after Davis. Any chance he could improve that by going back to IU and helping them in their Road to Alanta?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
TBL is physic now?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
No Big Ten bias there…
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
If you have Cody Zeller as #6 in your mock draft, why do you have him staying at Indiana in this post?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 PM
make that psychic.
/stupid spell check
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Someone has to balance out McIntyre.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
While the bottom half of the conference is going to be a shit storm, there are going to be some really good teams in the top half.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
homer
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
How do you make a smiley with sunglasses?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
I found one comment referencing Arizona…and it wasn’t the way you describe…
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Thanks.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 PM
And 8 followed by a )
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
8)
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
How do you make a smiley with sunglasses?
Is a “smiley with sunglasses” mean something sexy fun time?
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Apparently Nix spent the night in jail…
//Legalize it!
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 PM
If memory serves, Michigan went out in the first round to Ohio U., not the second round. Without Burke, Michigan falls out of the top 25.
April 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Don’t sleep on Pitt. They have 2 monster recruits coming in and are returning a bunch — I realize they won the CBI, but they should be good.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 PM
I’d rather see a post from Duffy about Michigan recruiting than a poll from a sport that is losing viewers, and – judging by all of the empty seats at the Superdome – paying customers at a rapid pace.
Trust me, there was plenty of people at the Dome (I was there).
In any case, CBB seems to be more of a specific school thing — like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc — than a nationwide thing. The NCAA tournament seems to be the only time the general public cares for it.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
I was going to make a smartass joke about how it technically was a second round game since they got the bye not afforded to the likes of Western Kentucky but he said Memphis got beat in the first so as always, consistency is nowhere to be found in a TBL joint
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Yeah, of those 82 comments, 75-80 were people screaming about Arizona. Good call.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 PM
My head hurts
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
I’d love to think the Canes can crack the Top 25, but they always seem to choke and fuck it up when it matters.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 PM
This is BS, the NCAA people now consider the shitty play-in games as the first round so now the first set of Thursday/Friday games are officially the “second” round. Fuck that noise, I will always call the play-ins games the play-in games.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 PM
This is the most TBL paragraph ever.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Mizzou may not be Preseason Top 25 but will be in the rankings by the end of the season. Backcourt of Flip Pressey and Dixon plus Bowers coming off the ACL injury. Add in a couple transfers and freshman class and Missouri will be solid.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 PM
My mind is blown
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Backcourt of Flip Pressey and Dixon plus Bowers coming off the ACL injury. Add in a couple transfers and freshman class and Missouri will be solid.
Flip is cool as ice. Like him. It was also nice of Dixon to come to Mass St. Saturday night and celebrate KU’s victory over OSU.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:24 PM
My mind is blown
What’d you do for lunch?
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:24 PM
BOOM!
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Well none of you turds gave me any good ideas so I stuck with a lean cuisine I had here in the freezer.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Well none of you turds gave me any good ideas so I stuck with a lean cuisine I had here in the freezer.
You are such a chick.
/works with a bunch of females and the freezer is full of those things.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Texas will finish in the top half of the poll, provided Cameron Ridley finally signs. If he doesn’t sign, I think they only finish top 15, or maybe slightly lower. Possibly higher as well.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I brought a salad to work. Hearts of palm are yummy.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Not my fault you didn’t consider the Dorito Taco worth a 50-minute round trip
Thinking of going to the grocery store to get some ground beef (I’ve lived this long eating pink slime, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it) and Doritos and making the magic happen here
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Oriakhi to Xavier….a kid can dream.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Not sure which of 2 you are considering highly touted. Yogi is awesome and I’ve watched him play a lot over the years. I worry about our guys being able to catch some him passes, but it will be nice to at least have someone who dribbles with their head up.Perea is a freak athlete, but Hollowell is going to be best of the class.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Another season in which no team can shoot.
College sports are getting to be a real turn off as one ages. So corrupt. So phony. And the play is terrible.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 PM
You need to come up with a better word than “graduate” when a player has actually just “used up his eligibility”.
My suggestion is “eligibilitate”. Or some variation of that word.
April 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I don’t trust any list that doesn’t have the Wizards in the top 3
April 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 PM
BBQ beef brisket, scalloped potatoes and black bean medley … mmm.
April 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Andy Katz’s preview of the top 25 from today is working under the assumption that Mason is not going to end up leaving. Duke is way WAY better than 25. But don’t let facts stand in the way.
April 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Anthony –
I’m hearing the opposite, surprisingly. FWIW, I trust the source, based on previous Thomas knowledge… And with him, definitely top 10.
Big 10 LOADED again. They are raking recruits. Wisky will absolutely be Top 25. They are ALWAYS Top 25. And they have good players coming in. I feel for NW, Nebraska, and Penn State because the rest of the league is leaving them behind.
Minny with Mbakwe will be a bitch next year. And, I like McCaffrey at Iowa, but they may still be 1-2 years and some recruits away…
April 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Moser IS STAYING! UNLV needs to be on this list!
April 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Partial ineligible, they were still practicing too, Mclemore will be a monster next year and so will Ellis. Fingers crossed we pull down Tony Parker too, don’t have any high hopes for Shabbazz.
/8 spot difference between ESPN ranking and JMAC ranking