NCAA Title Game Rematches: The Team That Won in the Regular Season is Only 3-5 in The Title Game Since 1980
Kentucky beat Kansas 75-65 at Madison Square Garden back on November 15th. In that game, Kansas had a first half lead, and the game was tied at the half, but a second half surge by Kentucky put them up comfortably and the cruised to the 10 point win.
Anthony Davis had seven blocks. Thomas Robinson fouled out with less than four minutes remaining. Kentucky got at least 33 minutes out of all five starters, while Robinson and Withey played 27 and 25 minutes, respectively. Kentucky was hot in the second half and shot over 50% for the game while Kansas struggled from the field and only stayed in it due to foul shooting.
What can we take from that game? Far less than people probably think as we move toward the championship game tonight. This will be the ninth title game since 1980 where the teams had previously met in the regular season. In those eight prior matchups, the team that won the regular season matchups (Georgetown swept Villanova in 1985 and Oklahoma swept Kansas in 1988 in conference play) ended up winning only three of the eight title games.
- 2008: North Carolina beat Michigan State 98-63 in the regular season, won the title game 89-72
- 2007: Florida beat Ohio State 86-60 in the regular season, won the title game 84-75
- 2004: Georgia Tech beat Connecticut 77-61 in the regular season, lost the title game 82-73
- 1993: Michigan beat North Carolina 79-78 in the regular season, lost the title game 77-71
- 1992: Duke beat Michigan 88-85 in the regular season, won the title game 71-51
- 1988: Oklahoma beat Kansas 73-65 and 95-87 in the regular season, lost the title game 83-79
- 1985: Georgetown beat Villanova 52-50 and 57-50 in the regular season, lost the title game 66-64
- 1981: North Carolina beat Indiana 65-56 in the regular season, lost the title game 63-50
Does this mean Kentucky is actually in trouble? No, it just means we should probably look at the entire season and not just the results of one game. The “better” team as measured by simple rating system rank won six of the eight matchups (Villanova in 1985 and Kansas in 1988 being the upsets). The average result in the championship game, on average, was in line with the difference between the teams as measured by SRS over the whole season.
We saw something similar in the NFL, where Super Bowl rematches are now 6-7 for the team who won in the regular season, after the Giants won both against the Patriots. One matchup, even if it appears super relevant because it is the same jerseys, tells us way less than the season as a whole.
As a whole, Kentucky is still the favorite, though not as strongly as the bookmakers have set the line (up to a whopping 6.5 points in favor of Kentucky over Kansas). The simple rating system rating this year has Kentucky at +2.7 points over Kansas entering tonight’s game. Pomeroy has it at three points and 60% chance of a Kentucky victory. I’m wondering if that line difference is driven by the earlier result. As we’ve seen before, past performance head to head is no indication of future results.
I’ll have a breakdown of the game and matchups later, and I’ll mull my straight up pick for the game, but I will say this: Kansas +6.5 is pretty appealing. The Jayhawks are now 3-0 as underdogs at the Final Four under Bill Self, and what happened in November won’t matter when the ball is tipped tonight.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Both teams shut down Draymond Green, though, that’s got to change the approach.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:18 PM
I would have thought Kentucky would have won by more than 7 points myself. Interesting that you say this is a big number.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 PM
2008: North Carolina beat Michigan State 98-63 in the regular season, won the title game 89-72
2007: Florida beat Ohio State 86-60 in the regular season, won the title game 84-75
Jason McIntyre would have said that the team that won the regular season game is a shoo-in, based on this slightly smaller sample size.
Plus, looking up stuff is super hard, so he stopped after two.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 PM
It’s a really good matchup as Kansas has the guards to stay in front of Kentucky and the guys to protect the rim and rebound. Just don’t think Kansas will be able to score enough.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Wow I just re-loaded the home page and the top headline was from 3/22. Nice.
I think Thomas Robinson’s foul count is the X-factor. If Self can dictate his minutes, I think Kansas can hang with Kentucky and have a good shot at winning. Kansas can’t win if he gets a 3rd foul with 17 minutes to go and has to sit for 5.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 PM
but I will say this: Kansas +6.5 is pretty appealing.
even against a center whose stats compare favorably to those of several NBA hall of famers?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:25 PM
And quite a showdown it was.
Still amazed Georgetown lost this game.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Am I the only one that wants to punch Whitey in the face every time he’s on screen. Dude should have played for Duke.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:26 PM
This is kind of like the OSU game. I have absolutely no issue with UK. After Mizzou was bounced and we shit on UNC, I’m out of hate. This has all been gravy since the Sweet 16. KU by 20.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
I wish college coaches wouldn’t effectively foul their own guys out.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Am I the only one that wants to punch Whitey in the face every time he’s on screen. Dude should have played for Duke.
In Withey We Trust.
The dude is a beast for a tall skinny guy. He doesn’t know how to flop, so Duke was never an option.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 PM
I hope so. A buddy of mine at work will win a sizeable pot ($450) if KU wins tonight. He agreed to take us a handful of other guys at work out for a good dinner and drinks on Friday with his winnings.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Whitey, Withey…whatever.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Am I the only one that wants to punch Whitey in the face
probably Darrell.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
KILL WITHEY!!! No, no, don’t kill Withey!
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
I laughed.
/pounds fist on floor
//flops
///prepares for Coach K one on one session, if you know what I mean
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 PM
besides, I like Withey. He’s not all that punchable. Not like that kid from Ohio State.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Sounds like a good dude.
I’d tell my friends to fuck themselves.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
I kind of wonder if Self is going to make a guy like Jones beat them by putting Robinson on Davis while leaving Withey in the lane allowing Jones to do whatever he wants.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
6.5 is a big number for this game. I’d bet on Kansas +6.5 if pressed. I hope UK wins by a lot more than that though.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Withey was fucked by Coach K as a boy.
/not confirmed by me
//still, go KU
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
From the few games of Kentucky that I’ve watched, I’ve gathered that if Jones plays well, they are pretty much unbeatable.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
I’m still amazed at how Ohio State pissed that game away on Saturday. I don’t watch basketball much, but for all the shit I hear about Sullinger and what a beast he is, I didn’t see it.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 PM
UK- 74
KU-69
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
I kind of wonder if Self is going to make a guy like Jones beat them by putting Robinson on Davis while leaving Withey in the lane allowing Jones to do whatever he wants.
Self said that they probably wouldn’t guard each other unless whatever they plan on doing doesn’t work against Davis.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 PM
He’s Glen “Big Baby” Davis 2.0. I think he’ll be a solid 6th-man off of the bench in the NBA if I were guessing.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
only the gritty, gutty ones with the high motors who always give 110%
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Kentucky- 74
Kansas- 65
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
ha ha on leshoure….vladdy has been metnioning him every chance he gets as the lions’ savior
i’m listening to an interview i did with a german guy, first german i’ve had to deal with, and all i can think of is kraftwerk and dieter from sprockets, both of which are great joys in my life. but the german language….so obnoxiously harsh
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
when is the ratings post going up?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
It’s Spring Break for most Atlanta metro public schools and there isn’t anyone in the office and no work to do. Fuck this place. I’m going to hit the range at 4.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
all i kept thinking during the kansas/OSU game was “holy shit, if OSU makes it thru this, he’s going to get eaten alive by anthony davis.”
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
I don’t think I want Withey on him as Davis would lure him away from the hoop and because of the potential for foul trouble.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 PM
I hate David Eckstein too.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
What happened in November won’t matter, but what happened in two games during the 2008 Final Four might!
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 PM
So some crazy man shot up a small college in Oakland. At least 5 dead per the AP.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
when is the ratings post going up?
when somebody emails JMac a pre-season baseball day game rating that the two semifinal games actually beat, so he can prove definitively that baseball is dying
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 PM
The Jayhawks are now 3-0 as underdogs at the Final Four under Bill Self,
and simultaneously, a choking dog of a coach
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Fantastic. +10
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Speaking of baseball… Is Tim Ryan going to give us another Twitter follow suggestions post for the season? I really enjoyed that last year. Feel like there are a few more resources on the Twitter machine that could be pointed out.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
You know TBL wants to Kansas to win so he can rip Calipari tomorrow. If Kentucky loses, he loses another “epic choker” of a coach. That leaves who left? Roy, Self and Cal would all have titles. Maybe he can turn around the reputation of Izzo and say, “well, it’s been a long time since he won anything in March.”
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Kentucky 82
Kansas 65
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:42 PM
I will be rooting for Kansas – I win $ in the office pool if they win.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Agree with this. Lousiville did a solid job on defense, but had no firepower on offense. Kansas is more talented offensively, so I think they make it a closer game throughout but Kentucky outscores them.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Kentucky- 74
Kansas- 65
Kentucky 82
Kansas 65
Kentucky 90
Kansas 65
/we’re doing sequences, right?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
The game was pretty close for most of the way, though. It was tied up in the second half around the 10 min mark, no?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Great call. Yes, I’ll do that this week.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 PM
I don’t think I want Withey on him as Davis would lure him away from the hoop and because of the potential for foul trouble.
KU only played seven players on Saturday. Any foul trouble will be the death to KU.
However, this scares me more…
You know TBL wants to Kansas to win
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Not that anybody cares about anyone’s bracket pool, but if you stood to win $490 tonight with a Kentucky win, would you:
a) sit tight
b) hedge by betting $145 on KU at +240 to lock in about $345 either way
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Cal hasn’t won a title, Parrish. TBL has that thing against Self so he probably wants UK to win. I share his hate for Self, but I also don’t think Self is a choker or anything. He’s a great coach.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Kentucky was in control because the Cards couldn’t score. They hit a couple threes and tied it…but then had a 4-5 minute FG drought. I think Kansas is not as good as L’ville on defense but better than them on offense, hence why I said what I said.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Thanks Hernia. I’ll e-mail you a couple guys I’ve found over the winter that are great follows.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 PM
I’d choose A, which means you should choose B as I am a terrible gambler.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:47 PM
He was on him for never doing anything in the B1G tournament. And, next up for TBL if Cal wins is Matta.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Brandon McCarthy is cracking me up today
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Mike,
I’d take the $345 as you only “lose” $150.
Yeah, I meant to say, if Kentucky wins, as opposed to if Kentucky loses.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Kentucky 75 Kansas 67. Kansas is much better than they were at the beginning of the year when these two teams played, but so is Kentucky That game also happened to only be the second of Davis, Teague, Kidd-Gilchrist and Wiltjer’s career. I think Kidd-Gilchrist guards Tyshawn Taylor and renders him useless and that leaves Robinson to have to deal with Jones and Davis. As good as Whithey as been this tournament, he’s not beating you offensively.
Besides, Davis will be guarding him. I think Cal starts Jones on Robinson because he pretty much held his own in the first matchup and it keeps Davis out of foul trouble. If Cal and Kentucky lose this one, the media will have a field day. If Cal and Kentucky win this one, look out the rest of college basketball.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
I’d settle for Hernia giving us some divisonal previews since Opening Day is this week.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
At least it sounds like it featured adults…
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Oh fuck yes. Matta is definitely going to be in TBLs crosshairs should Kentucky win tonight.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM
The difference is that NO ONE thinks Matta is a great coach. So that’s not contrarian-y enough for him.
Matta seems like a very good (or at least good) defensive coach who knows nothing about offense.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Did they only do the one division last week?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Jent was a great addition to that staff
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Hope Kentucky blows em out. It will make some of the disappointment from OSU’s 2nd half collapse wane a bit.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
a) sit tight
probably this one. I could really use 490 bucks. 345 is chump change.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
that’s the biggest bomb dropped by a mcveigh since…
/leaves immediately
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 PM
fuck missouri and/or michigan. i could feed my kids for another week if either or both would have won a couple more games
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:52 PM
I love the headline.
SHOCKED!!
Yeah, that doesn’t shock me at all, actually. I’d be more shocked if the porn featured a woman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Maybe Pitino then? Choker hasn’t won a Final Four game since 1997.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Can’t disagree with that. Hey lets not go inside! Why would I ever want to develop Amir and give him more playing time!?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 PM
A local priest here just got dismissed for having an inappropriate relationship with a woman. I think we were all just relieved that it was a woman, and she was of age.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Not that anybody cares about anyone’s bracket pool, but if you stood to win $490 tonight with a Kentucky win, would you:
a) sit tight
b) hedge by betting $145 on KU at +240 to lock in about $345 either way
Bet KU + the points and hope UK wins and KU covers. I was in the same scenario with UK\UL and bet UL +8.5 and won both.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
A local priest here just got dismissed for having an inappropriate relationship with a woman.
you mean eating leftover ziti and staring?
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
The NL East and the AL still remains. So two tomorrow, two Wednesday, followed by the kinda-first but really second pitch in Miami on Wednesday night.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 PM
fuck missouri
Words to live by.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:57 PM
c) seek help for your gambling addiction
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I think so.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
This is a fun game. We should try to predict one coach from each sport TBL will wage jihad against.
NFL: Jim Harbaugh
CFB: Will Muschamp
MLB: ?? (I got nothing)
CBB: Matta
NBA: Dude who coaches OKC
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 PM
A local priest here just got dismissed for having an inappropriate relationship with a woman. I think we were all just relieved that it was a woman, and she was of age.
the one up here was five years ago, and it was a teenager. But he was 18 at least. But totally a dude. And there are still lots of catholics up here who say the priest got railroaded, even though he pled guilty.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Well now that LaRussa’s gone, I’m going with Bobby Valentine.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Me as well. I took the points on KU +3 against the Bucks as well. I’ve been pretty money this tournament. So that’s fun.
/humblebrag
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:00 PM
TBL won’t write about baseball except to discuss ratings, so it’s a moot point.
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Neither does he
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:07 PM
who say the priest got railroaded,
goes to (pope) urban dictionary
/who am i kidding, i don’t look up shit
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Lou Piniella if the Cubs get off to a slow start.
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:38 PM
I would have thought Kentucky would have won by more than 7 points myself. Interesting that you say this is a big number.
Of course they can win by more than 7. 6.5 is a huge number on a neutral court against another team that was going to be a #1 seed until they blew it in the Big XII tournament, and power rates as the #3 team. It represents about a 75% chance that Kentucky will win.
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 PM
In the two games theyve lost, Vandy and Indiana both shot very well from the three. If I was Self, I would zone up and take my chances that the dome causes a bad shooting night and on O, post up Withey and Robinson and try and get Davis in foul trouble.
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Kansas is fucking annoying.