The 2012 Kentucky Wildcats Are Good, But Not One of the Best College Basketball Teams in the Last 25 Years
This year’s Kentucky team has been so dominant, more than a few observers of the sport have made the ridiculous claim that the Wildcats could beat an NBA team. Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy is the latest voice of reason on that topic.
Still, this Kentucky team has a lot of NBA talent, they have gone through a season with only two losses, and have looked even better in the tournament. There are plenty that have expressed a belief that they are the best college team in a while.
Of course, they still need to win two games. Looking back through history, and top teams in the Final Four, that is far from certain. A loss to Louisville in the semis wouldn’t even register as one of the 10 biggest upsets in the Final Four in the last 25 years.
The belief that Kentucky is so good compared to other recent teams is a product of (a) one of the flukiest years ever the year before, where no dominant team emerged, (b) recency and the sensation that NOW is better, (c) relative to other national title winners, their schedule rates lower in strength, and (d) the promise of youth in the NBA draft, where plenty of guys are projected to be drafted, but some are drafted lower or not drafted at all when it finally happens. Kentucky will have three players selected in the lottery most likely at some point–Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and Terrence Jones. Others could be drafted, and at least a few will.
Then, there’s the issue of age. Other dominant teams may have had three lottery picks, but some of them were 21 and 22 in college. That matters.
Of course, let’s stop talking generalities and try to measure teams and their dominance. To do so, I used the simple rating system (SRS) available at sports-reference.com/bb. I also, though, had to make some adjustments. For example, there were 260 schools in Division I in 1980, the first year the SRS is available. There are 344 now. Those additions are all smaller and mid-major schools, with the highest level being teams like Missouri State and Central Florida. Thus, the “average” team in Division I in 1980 was almost four points better than the “average” team today.
To calculate the adjusting based on division size, I found the rating for each new member in its first season, and then adjusted accordingly.
After doing that, this Kentucky team, when compared to only the National Champions, would come in at #17 since 1980. The SRS undervalues those teams before 1986 because of the shot clock and three point shot, two factors that increased scoring. So, here are the most dominant national champs since 1986, once we adjust for the amount of Division I teams.
You’ll notice that #1 on the list is Kentucky. That was a Pitino coached team, though, and one that happened to beat a John Calipari team in the Final Four.
#1: 1996 KENTUCKY WILDCATS
Record: 34-2
Adjusted SRS: +33.7
SOS Rank: 13th
NBA Players on Team: (9) Antoine Walker (6th pick), Ron Mercer (6th pick), Derek Anderson (13th pick), Tony Delk (16th pick), Walter McCarty (19th pick), Nazr Mohammed (29th pick), Mark Pope (52nd pick), Jeffrey Shepherd (UDFA), Wayne Turner (UDFA)
Overview: Nine players that played in the NBA at some point! Five of them selected in the top 20 of a draft. They rolled through the regular season, played a tougher schedule than the 2012 Wildcats and avenged their loss to UMass in the Final Four.
#2: 2001 DUKE BLUE DEVILS
Record: 35-4
Adjusted SRS: +33.3
SOS Rank: 5th
NBA Players on Team: (5) Jay Williams (2nd pick), Mike Dunleavy (3rd pick), Shane Battier (6th pick), Carlos Boozer (34th pick), Chris Duhon (38th pick)
Overview: A dominant regular season against a very tough schedule (18 wins against teams in the top 40), and three players who would be selected in the top 6 in a draft, plus Carlos Boozer. Not a bad group, and it is a shame that Jason Williams’ career was cut short.
#3: 1993 NORTH CAROLINA TAR HEELS
Record: 34-4
Adjusted SRS: +30.9
SOS Rank: 3rd
NBA Players on Team: (5) Eric Montross (9th overall), George Lynch (12th overall), Kevin Salvadori, Derrick Phelps (UDFA), Matt Wenstrom (UDFA)
Overview: A veteran team with George Lynch and Eric Montross, they also had size and depth, with seven footers Salvadori and Wenstrom coming off the bench. Phelps and Donald Williams, who never played in the NBA but was a McDonald’s All-American, made up the back court. This team probably ended up with fewer NBA caliber players than any on this list.
#4: 1989 MICHIGAN WOLVERINES
Record: 27-6
Adjusted SRS: +29.6
SOS Rank: 6th
NBA Players on Team: (6) Glen Rice (4th overall), Rumeal Robinson (10th pick), Loy Vaught (13th pick), Terry Mills (16th pick), Sean Higgins (27th pick), Demetrius Calip (UDFA)
Overview: Michigan had five players who averaged double figures in 1989 and would eventually be drafted in the NBA. They lost some close games against a tough schedule, losing to Indiana twice in the final seconds. Then, head coach Bill Frieder bolted for Arizona State and Steve Fisher led them to a title as they avenged earlier losses to Illinois and then beat Seton Hall in the final.
#5: 2005 NORTH CAROLINA TAR HEELS
Record: 33-4
Adjusted SRS: +29.1
SOS Rank: 3rd
NBA Players on Team: (6) Marvin Williams (2nd pick), Raymond Felton (5th pick), Sean May (13th pick), Rashad McCants (14th pick), David Noel (39th pick), Jawad Williams (UDFA)
#6: 2008 KANSAS JAYHAWKS
Record: 37-3
Adjusted SRS: +27.6
SOS Rank: 13th
NBA Players on Team: (6) Cole Aldrich (11th pick), Brandon Rush (13th pick), Darrell Arthur (27th pick), Mario Chalmers (34th pick), Darnell Jackson (52nd pick), Sherron Collins (UDFA)
#7 1990 UNLV RUNNING REBELS
Record: 35-5
Adjusted SRS: +26.9
SOS Rank: 17th
NBA Players on Team: (3) Larry Johnson (1st pick), Stacey Augmon (9th pick), Greg Anthony (12th pick)
Overview: The Rebels were even better the next year, as they went undefeated until the Duke upset in the national semifinal. Three players that were top 12 picks, including first overall LJ, and they had more experience, make up for none of the other contributors, such as Anderson Hunt, playing in the NBA.
#8: 1992 DUKE BLUE DEVILS
Record: 34-2
Adjusted SRS: +26.9
SOS Rank: 13th
NBA Players on Team: (6) Grant Hill (3rd pick), Christian Laettner (3rd pick), Bobby Hurley (7th pick), Cherokee Parks (12th pick), Antonio Lang (29th pick), Brian Davis (48th pick)
Overview: Three major contributors drafted in the top 7 in a NBA draft, and more veteran than the current Kentucky group. The 1991 squad also just misses this list.
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March 29th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Excellent stuff yet again Mr. Lisk.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Goddamn that 2001 Duke team was awesome to watch. Maybe the best Final Four game ever, too.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I’d like the chances of this year’s Kentucky team knocking off 2001 Duke. Point Guard is a clear advantage but Kentucky matches up nicely everywhere else plus they probably have a 6th NBA guy coming off the bench in Darius Miller. Wiltjer could be a pro one day too, but I won’t count him yet since he’s not a regular in the rotation. More of a spot player.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
’90 UNLV and ’92 Duke should be much higher. ’01 Duke and ’93 UNC should be much lower.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
That 96 Cats team…Holy Shit
March 29th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
I know they didn’t win it all, but that Fab 5 was damn good.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
A lot of those “nba” players really sucked in the pros tho.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Pssh. Horvath, Nate James, and Reggie Love are going to run a train on Kentucky’s bench.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Timeout.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Until they were whupped up on by a buncha bitch ass uncle toms
March 29th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
The biggest difference is these guys are all frosh/sophomores, whereas the teams from the 90′s were all juniors/seniors. Any champ from the 90′s would beat this Kentucky team.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
You can only play 5 guys at a time. And what people often times forget is that depth, or lack thereof, hasn’t hurt Kentucky at all this year since they play great defense without fouling. Also, with Darius being so versatile, he can come off the bench for anyone except Davis and this team doesn’t skip a beat.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
That is ridiculous….They would lose by less than 3!
-TBL
March 29th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Kentucky would be obliterated by an NBA team.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Ridiculous to even suggest that Kentucky would even come within 10.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
But Not One of the Best College Basketball Teams in the Last 25 Years
listen, JasonLisk, it’s like mortgages around here. We only use 15 and 30 year increments. Please make the necessary adjustments to your spreadsheets.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
1991 Runnin Rebs are the best college team I ever done saw. Their fluky loss (and Laettner getting on the Dream Team over Shaq) is why I hate Duke to this day.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
I meant 20, but the point stands.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Agreed. By at least 30.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
if you pay that much for players, then yes, you should be good.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
(b) recency and the sensation that NOW is better,
the most salient point ever made
March 29th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Stacey Augmon could still be on someone’s roster in the league for all I know.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
07 Florida would wipe the floor with that 93 Carolina team
March 29th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Eric Montross (9th overall),
I remember this, because I called in to tell a sports radio host in New Orleans how stupid he was for saying this guy should go very early in the first round.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
If this were a list of those who impacted basketball uniforms the most, then yes, the Fab 5 would belong on this list.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
2009 Tar Heels. Period. There is none better.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Never happened.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
I’m convinced Tony Delk is still enrolled at Kentucky.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
I know they didn’t win the title, but wasn’t the 98-99 Duke team better?
March 29th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Alaa “peanut butter sandwiches” Abdelnaby
I just put that together, 20 years later.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
77-74. Great night.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Khalid El-Amin is a goddamn hero…that might be my favorite CBB game ever, don’t see play at that level much anymore
March 29th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
I think we’re making the mistake of thinking that just because a team had a lot of cats drafted to the NBA then that team was the best COLLEGE team. Which isn’t the case.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
No 2009 Tar Heels? Are you serious? This is one of those examples of metrics that don’t take into account what you see.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
I think too many times we look at a guy’s subpar pro career and we forget just how great they were in college. Ron Mercer is definitely one of those guys.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Those early 90′s UNLV teams were probably the all around scariest college basketball teams I ever saw. When they were on top of their game, they would hang points on the opposition and just run them out of the gym. Seemed like every time you looked at the scores, UNLV would win by 15 – 20 points routinely.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Agreed 100%
March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Lol’d… only because it made me think of Zach Morris… not CWebb
March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
You mean 96 Kentucky’s denim uniforms weren’t a trendsetter?
March 29th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
An NBA player that sucked is better than a college player that never made it.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I think we’re making the mistake of thinking that just because a team had a lot of cats drafted to the NBA then that team was the best COLLEGE team. Which isn’t the case.
I think you’re making a mistake in assuming that just because Lisk is using numbers, these teams weren’t fucking awesome basketball teams.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
An NBA player that sucked is better than a college player that never made it.
unless he was really tall, and the guy that never made it was a short shooting guard.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
I know they didn’t win the title, but wasn’t the 98-99 Duke team better?
It would have been #1 on the list (adjusted SRS +36.6). The UCONN team they lost to was just below the cut line, but above this year’s Kentucky as well.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
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Absolutely. Also the ’98 Carolina team might have been the best UNC team of the past 25 years.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
holy shit those kentucky unis above were HORRIBLE.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
No 2009 Tar Heels? Are you serious? This is one of those examples of metrics that don’t take into account what you see.
Just missed at #10 (I got to 8 and got tired), but yes, ahead of 2011 Kentucky.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:39 PM
looks like Tannehill had a really impressive pro day
March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
It is easily my favorite.
Ohio State vacating their Final Four appearance that year was an added bonus.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
Remember the Villanova uniforms from that era? Poor Kerry Kittles.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
I’ll sign onto this. It’s amazing because a lot of teams on this list had close games to win their title. The 1996 Kentucky team was only up 2 on Cuse within the last 7 minutes before they got exhausted and Wallace fouled out.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
No…no..No I’m not. But because you’re just so damn smart I am probably wrong..cause I’m just too too too too too too stoopid
March 29th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
When talking about great teams of all time, I also think depth can be overrated. For instance, people talk about all the pros that were on Kentucky’s team in 96. Yeah, they were flat loaded, but if you look at somebody like Nazr, he was a freshman who was fat and out of shape and barely even got any run that on that squad.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
looks like Tannehill had a really impressive pro day
he did really well posting up a chair?
He’s going 8th, and there’s no shame in it, unless Cleveland can convince Miami they really need to get up to 4th to take him. Then he’s going 4th.
But he’s going to Miami.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
That was a great team. So was the ’94 team, who may have had TOO much depth. Overall #1, added Stackhouse, Wallace and Jeff McInnis and lost I believe only George Lynch from ’93 champion. Lost to BC in the second round, ending their record string of consecutive Sweet 16s…
March 29th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Imagine 15 years from now looking back on the 2012 Baylor unis
March 29th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
No…no..No I’m not. But because you’re just so damn smart I am probably wrong..cause I’m just too too too too too too stoopid
you just didn’t read any of the post, to see how he was rating them. He explains how he ranked them. This isnt’ just some stupid JMac joint.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
2004 UCONN was pretty stout themselves…and they also beat Duke.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
I’ll take that ’05 Heels team against the ’01 Blue Devils 7 out of 10 times.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
between that and this im getting ready to flip flop from yesterday.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
I think we’re making the mistake of thinking that just because a team had a lot of cats drafted to the NBA then that team was the best COLLEGE team. Which isn’t the case.
I list the NBA players drafted, but my list order is simply the SRS of all national champs, with the adjustment for D-I size as noted above. I listed the NBA players, though, to show that these teams that rated higher than Kentucky did in fact usually have several players drafted highly, even if some were busts or average players at best at the next level.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
/shudders
March 29th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Bill. Curly.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
What year did Carolina just have the NC on the front of their jersey’s? No where near as bad as that denim shit Kentucky wore, but I thought that looked pretty bad as well.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
College Boozer vs. College May would have been very fun to watch actually.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
For instance, people talk about all the pros that were on Kentucky’s team in 96. Yeah, they were flat loaded, but if you look at somebody like Nazr, he was a freshman who was fat and out of shape and barely even got any run that on that squad.
exactly. They played 10 guys, played everybody 40 minutes of hell and incoming freshman of NBA caliber just sat there, wishing they were ready.
That’s loaded.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
I loved the socks
March 29th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
You win again. You always do
March 29th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
And then he went and Bobby Hurley’d himself.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Chris Duhon with the biggest meaningless half court shot of all time…forget how many millions that swung in Vegas
March 29th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
we already had enough OSU/mich back and forth earlier, but i think even michigan fans will admit that taylor lewan is a figurative and literal humongous douchebag.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Watching Wayne Turner attempt a 15-20 footer in that uniform…..frightening.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Doesn’t the 1 and done rule make today’s college teams a bit more potent than those in the past? Kids have to go to college for a year now. Prior to the rule, you had many of the best talents heading straight for the next level. I know that seems like common sense but does it mean that the young talent in this country has declined since the rule was implemented if this year’s UK team can’t best any of those above? According to Lisk’s interpretation at least.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
William Avery can rot in hell.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
I thought I remember hearing 10 million. Could be wrong. The interior passing no that team between Okafor, Boone, and Villanueva was awesome. I know, I know, they didn’t make great NBA players but that team hit such a groove in the BET and then ran roughshod through the West Region. Amazing hot streak.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Also, I might be a little pissed about college ball because Illinois, probably the most underachieving program in the history of sports, had to hire their plan Z.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
/shakes fist at sky
At least he’s made a nice career in the media since his stupidity ruined his career. I actually like listening to him on the set for college hoops.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
no way…that’s now and forever texas’ title. how texas doesn’t win a football national championship every single year in CFB is mindblowing.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Rovell said it “transferred anywhere from $30 million to $100 million from those who bet on UConn to cover the point spread to those who bet on Duke to cover.” I’m too lazy to look for a more specific number.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
We need a playoff.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Trust me, I know. I’m a Kentucky fan and remember when Nazr first got to campus. NOBODY thought he was going to be a pro. I remember Rick referring to him as a ‘project’ and played on Kentucky’s JV team that year. As many pro’s as they had, they also had rotation guys like Anthony Epps, who started most of the year at PG and Allen Edwards, a guy who I thought always had more potential than what he showed.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Guess I shorted that number.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
The only player who went from high school to the NBA between Chocolate Thunder and KG was Shawn Kemp. So, no, not at all.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
There was a recent article about Rasheed Wallace, forget where i saw it, but it basically talked about the divide on the ’94 team between all the returning upperclassmen who won the title, and the incoming freshman class.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
I could never keep these two straight.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Watching him abuse Wojo in the 1998 Elite 8, however, was a thing of beauty.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Maybe, but how Illinois has never won shit in a state where basketball is king is also mindblowing. If Illinois had dibs on it’s in state talent they would be insane
March 29th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
The only player who went from high school to the NBA between Chocolate Thunder and KG was Shawn Kemp. So, no, not at all.
nearly everybody played 3 years. It was notable when somebody left after their sophomore season (like Magic, or Isaiah, or Chris Washburn or somebody).
And after KG, when they started leaving, there was maybe a half dozen a year that skipped completely. And college ball was still full of Dajuan Wagners who went 1 and done.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
If Depaul played in Chicago and not Rosemont they would be better than Illinois could ever be.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
It was KG in ’95, then Kobe in ’96, and then T-Mac in ’97. Then in ’00-’01 you had all the Kwame Brown/Eddy Curry/Darius Miles flameouts.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
That won’t be an “if” statement in about 4 years. They’re buying the land that I currently work on. Plans are to build an arena.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
$70 million.
/Guesstimate
March 29th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
So all this attention and crowning of their asses pretty much guarantees that Kentucky won’t win the title, right?
March 29th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
No shit? Well then it will be interesting if they can lock down the Chicago talent.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Maybe. Smaller private schools in big cities (DePaul and St. John’s in particular) dont exactly seem to be trending upwards these days. Big state schools with multi-million dollar facilities seem to be the wave of the future.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
I want to say around 2000. I remember Ed Cota wearing it his last season. Awful Uni. Didn’t Michigan have the same thing around that time with the “M”?
March 29th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Always thought it was strange that the NCAA allowed him to return to Coolidge College.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Good read?
March 29th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Always take a pregame shit.
March 29th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
So all this attention and crowning of their asses pretty much guarantees that Kentucky won’t win the title, right?
Thus, divining the true motivation behind the post.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
I can get behind that, although I’d imagine you have visions of Kansas cutting down the nets?
March 29th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
Based on my experience with DePaul, they move at their own speed and seldom follow through on what they promise. I do know for a fact they’re buying the land. If they actually build the arena, it’ll be a pleasant surprise. The girls currently play in a fieldhouse on campus. It’s really small. The land that they’re building has the hospital I work for on it currently. We move in June. I’m not sure what the demolition plans are for the old building.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
Those Pitino teams at Kentucky were so much fun to watch.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I wouldn’t mind.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Jason Lisk is a mathmatical assasin/ninja hyrid
March 29th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Because he’s riding a bike and not fleecing Columbus area car dealers?
He’s also set to become a rare (for Michigan anyway) non-Senior team captain
March 29th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
*hybrid*
/attended a shitty public school
March 29th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Did he figure out the recipes for Arby and Horsey sauce for Coach Hoke?
March 29th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
That ’89 team that lost to Michigan in the Final Four was badass though.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Flying Illini. Former member Kendall Gill had thrown his hat in the ring for the Illini coaching job once Shaka turned them down.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
OK, I admit the Buffalo Wing cupcake was fucking stupid. This, on the other hand… IS PURE GODDAMN GENIUS.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Only if she takes her top off.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Had me until the cheez whiz.
Think I’m going to have chicken wings for dinner. Looking forward to it.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I just want it to be known that I did not kill any one newspaper and then tiptoe off to the WX Post. Although I undoubtedly have played a role in the deaths of many newspapers.
/ Portmanteau’d in another thread
March 29th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
I wouldn’t put them in the top 10 teams that didn’t win title during this time period.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
Those look like some fine cupcakes. And the baked goods look delicious as well.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
I could eat wings every goddamn day, that’s why i was so offended by the wing cup cake thing.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
I wouldn’t put them in the top 10 teams that didn’t win title during this time period.
and there’s a good next post. If you were doing it, would you include teams that won the prior or subsequent year, or just teams that didn’t win at all?
March 29th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Always thought it was strange that the NCAA allowed him to return to Coolidge College.
I still laugh at the deaf coach
March 29th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Probably teams that just didn’t win at all…so 1991 UNLV would be included, etc. I would also have 1988 Oklahoma high on that list.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
06 and 07 Florida went 18-0 combined in the post season. They didn’t know how to lose when the chips were on the table
March 29th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
I think the big difference with this Kentucky team is that its top 2 players (Kidd-Gilchrist, Davis) are arguably better than any of the two combos listed above. I see Kidd-Gilchrist being comparable to a Paul Pierce and Davis to KG. Taking those type of expectations plus the supporting cast which should have some decent NBA rotation dudes, they can make a pretty good case.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I wouldn’t put them in the top 10 teams that didn’t win title during this time period.
the simple rating system would agree with this. They obviously had some really good players, though. Oklahoma in 1988 does rank among the top 5 (Arizona isn’t far behind either that year). UNLV 1991, Duke 1999, Kentucky in 1997.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:37 PM
After a few minutes of thinking, here’s my list, which could always change with more time to think about it:
1)UNLV 91
2)Oklahoma 88
3)Duke 99
4)ILL 05
5)UNC 98
6)Kansas 97
7)Ky 2010
8)ILL 89
9)Memphis 08
10) St. Joe’s 04
March 29th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
SC, you work at Children’s Memorial?
March 29th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Ha, South Carolina beat them twice, that should disqualify them from consideration.
March 29th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
I would love it if you would expand that into a full post, Jay. The years run together, especially for us older guys. Was the ’89 Ill. team the Marcus Liberty team? Was ’88 OU Tisdale? Loved that St. Joe’s team. Assume Ill ’05 was Dee Brown/Deron Williams, etc. Expand on each team…
March 29th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
I think SC makes an interesting point re: all the one and dones nowadays. Lisk makes a mathematical allowance for their being more teams, but none for perhaps a shallower talent pool nowadays. Hard to quantify, I know…
March 29th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
I’m too lazy to look back, but some of those Arizona teams from the mid 90′s were loaded. That 98 Carolina squad was a good of a team I’ve seen since the 91 Runnin Rebs. The G’Town squad in Iverson’s sophomore season was stacked.
March 29th, 2012 at 3:05 PM
this article makes more sense after the FF is over. what happens if they win this easy? and 9 average nba guys isnt the same as having 3-4 lottery picks.
March 29th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
They were, I think they would have given Kentucky a good game in the Final 4. Thompson got massively out-coached by Calapari in the regional finals.
March 29th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
And Kendall Gill, and Nick Anderson. I think all 5 starters were 6’6″ wing players.
March 29th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Great article as always, but I would argue that the fact the guys from the 90s tended to stay in college shouldn’t be a determining factor in a team’s historical greatness. Rather, the collection of talent here at Kentucky could very well compete with any of the teams listed.
March 29th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
true
March 29th, 2012 at 7:48 PM
The UNLV teams were the best teams of my lifetime.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 PM
Boring story. Only time will tell how good these teams are. Lazy writing. Post Kobe and KG era isn’t really comparable to before it. It’s apples to oranges, not apples to apples.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Seconded. They would beat any other team on the list, even the 1990 UNLV squad.
Pst… It wasn’t a “fluky loss”. They threw the game.
/sshhhhh… keep it quiet