Soccer Mailbag: Is Messi Beautiful? Why Do People Hate Chelsea? What’s Wrong With Liverpool?
I’m Brazilian, so, admittedly, a partisan when it comes to Messi. A friend of mine (who is not Brazilian) recently complained about Messi’s style, or his complete lack thereof. My friend basically argued that Messi is ruthlessly efficient and fast, but completely devoid of flair. All he does is score goals, but he does so in the least interesting and most teleological way possible. Of course I want to agree with him, but like I said, I’m biased against Messi. Thoughts? Is Messi ruthless, boring, and is his game un-beautiful?
- Eduardo N.
This depends on how one define’s beauty. Messi’s game has no excess flamboyance. He nutmegs a defender when it gets him into space. He chips a keeper when the angle gives him the greatest probability of scoring. He straddles perfection. His footballing brain functions on a different level. He’s surgical, whether that constitutes beauty is a matter of taste.
Why do people hate Chelsea so much?
- Chris M.
Chelsea are nouveau riche. They were bought by a Russian billionaire and spent an atrocious amount of money building a squad, before Man City and the two big Spanish clubs made it fashionable. They openly courted other clubs’ big-name players. Chelsea were ugly. Mourinho built them into a superpower. He did so by playing a cynical, artless, conservative brand of soccer that could be brutal to watch. He bedded the most beautiful women in the world and forced them to wear ill-fitting pants suits. Chelsea had players who are heels on the pitch (Drogba) and off it (Terry). Arrogant in triumph, few feel qualms about laughing at them in defeat.
With more American owners overseas, do you see a Euro league going to a playoff system for leagues ? Or just not happening ?
- @icecoldpucks
Not happening. Playoffs add a particular brand of excitement. That excitement is already fulfilled at top level through the cup competitions. Lower leagues have embraced playoffs for promotion, having teams 3-6 playoff for the final promotion place, though there should be little penetration beyond that with or without American ownership. No postseason is what makes the league seaso so urgent. Even in MLS, some consider the Supporters Shield (regular season) to be the true title ahead of MLS Cup (playoffs).
As a Liverpool supporter, I’ve found this season to be equal parts wonderful and disastrous. The Premier League performance has been sub-par and yesterday’s meltdown against QPR all but rendered the rest of the slate meaningless. On the other hand, a Carling Cup victory and FA Cup semifinal berth have given me plenty to like. My question to you is how many places in league you’d sacrifice in order to have Arsenal win the Carling Cup, FA Cup, and both. My personal feeling is that winning both is worth finishing as low as 10th, but am having a hard time deciding how much just one would be worth. What say you?
- Kyle K.
The FA Cup has prestige as the world’s oldest soccer competition, but the true worth of cups depends on the team winning it. For those clubs with no hope of winning the league, such as Fulham or Bolton, winning the Carling or FA Cup would be a huge deal. For Arsenal or Liverpool, winning one is heartening, but a consolation prize. It’s not worth missing the Champions League and, in that respect, Liverpool’s season, even with a cup double, will be failure. That said, once out of the Champions League finishing 5th or 10th is largely irrelevant. Liverpool may focus on the FA Cup at the expense of the league from here forward.
What nations are your favorites right now for Euro 2012? Who will be the surprise team?
- Jason J.
The two clear favorites are Spain and Germany, with the Dutch a close third. They are the only three European teams to reach major tournament finals since 2006. They had a combined 27-0-1 record in Euro 2012 qualifying. The choices beyond that become uninspiring. The best outside shot will be a team that avoids the top three until the semifinal. The best bet for that would be the winner of Group D. France are as talented as anyone if (and it’s a big if) Laurent Blanc has them screwed on straight, they can win Group D, dispatch Italy and give Germany a game in the semis.
Please explain Raul Meireles’ haircut and how it logically fits with his tattoos and game, or lack there of. This is quite a perplexing topic.
- @mgarc1027
He initially had a mohawk. He then let the top grow out while shaving down the sides. Off the pitch, it’s some sort of euro-hipster combover thing to hide his premature baldness and still look badass. On the pitch, it’s a shaved head with a bizarrely long tuft at the top, off kilter and highlighting his premature baldness. Just bizarre.
You may get this one more than once: What in the world is wrong with Liverpool (as in how in the hell do you blow a 2-0 lead in 13 minutes against one of the worst teams in the BPL)???
- Brian K.
Liverpool were a Champions League club. They lost Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano, two of the best defensive midfielders in the sport. They sold Fernando Torres. Gerrard and Carragher got old. Â Fenway Sports Group arrived to rebuild the team, and have not done a stellar job.
The club has no coherent direction, despite hiring a director of football. Soccer is not baseball, it’s a more complex version of basketball where far fewer easily quantifiable things happen. It’s much harder to obtain meaningful statistical data, let alone deploy it in an effective fashion. They bought average to good players with skills they thought might be undervalued. They create chances but don’t score them. They don’t have a result-changing player. The Reds lose when they don’t play well. They dominate play when they do play well but struggle scoring and putting teams away. Add that to an ineffectual performance from Kenny Dalglish and you get a team not qualifying for the Champions League.
For three years I’ve heard that Fulham will probably lose Dempsey to a bigger club, why hasn’t it happened?
Dempsey is in the same trap as Donovan with MLS. He’s worth more to the club than he is on the open market. He’s 29, has hit his peak and will have no transfer value on the back end of the deal, which reduces the value for the acquiring club. It’s only worth it for Fulham to sell him for a big fee. They reportedly wanted around $16 million for him last summer. He’s a nice player, and good enough to play at a club like Arsenal, but those caliber clubs did not see him as enough of an upgrade to invest substantially in him.
This summer changes the situation. He has one year left and can leave for free at the end of his contract. If he declines to sign his extension, he could force his way out. Fulham would have to consider strongly selling him and buying a bargain replacement. That could lower his price to a level where a Tottenham/Liverpool or second-tier Champions League club on the continent might become interested.
I’ve always enjoyed following the EPL, but started to really follow Everton after the first arrival of Landon Donovan. It seems as if money is always an issue for the club, but they always manage to field a decent side. Is there anything to suggest a possible influx of money/talent to the Toffees in the near future that might propel them to the upper-tier of the EPL table or should I dig in for the long haul and expect season after season of mediocrity?
Everton is stuck. They aren’t profitable. They are crippled by debt. They desperately need a new stadium. Ownership has minimized expenditure while trying, up till now in vain, to find an investor. They have sold players the past three seasons. The only reason they are as competitive as they are is Moyes being incredibly savvy and efficient in the market, and doing things on the cheap such as bringing in Donovan on loan. If Moyes leaves the club could be a relegation risk. Enjoy the mediocrity because it may not last.
Avid Chelsea fan here, and would be interested in your take. If you were Roman for the day, what four players would you ship out this summer, and what four would you bring in?
- Tony H.
I would get rid of the big three (Terry, Lampard and Drogba). They are too influential behind the scenes, they drag the team toward playing their style and, with them firmly in decline, can no longer play that style well enough to win consistently. I would also try to sell Essien who, clearly, is not up to the standard he was a few seasons ago before his injuries. I’m not sure either will happen. Bringing players in is trickier, especially if they fail to qualify for the Champions League. Mourinho, if he returns, would probably pay lip service to signing an elaborate Abramovich type player while quietly bringing in some of his former Inter Milan players to stabilize things for 2012-13.
What’s your take on how the Champions League will play out? Will we get to see Real and Barca face off in the finals?
- Robert C.
Yes, almost certainly. Barcelona faces no real challenge en route to the final. The best opponent remaining is Chelsea. Bayern Munich could present an obstacle to Real Madrid, but they are defensively frail and, with fissures behind the scenes, inconsistent. It would be more than a moderate shock were one of these teams to miss the final.
Do you think the UEFA financial fair play rules will have the intended teeth? Chelsea lost a $100 million last fiscal year, but only show marginal signs of slowing. Supposedly UEFA is banning “close” deals like Etihad (owned by same family) sponsoring Man City’s stadium. Can you see UEFA keeping either of these teams out of European Competition?
- Dave S.
That’s the question everyone is asking. Rules need an enforcement mechanism to exist (see: MLB with PEDs pre-2004). Using financial fair play rules to boot a club from the Champions League would (a) have to stand up in court and (b) be acceptable to the other big clubs to avert a revolt that could end up in a European Super League. That’s at least possible, though UEFA would have to drive a wedge between big clubs such as Arsenal and Bayern Munich and super-duper clubs who want to spend what they please. My guess is the eventual solution will be fines rather than outright booting a club from Europe.
Why is Andy Carroll the worst player ever?
- Jeff U.
Carroll is not the worst player ever. Worst signing ever? That may be a point for debate. Here is what I wrote after they signed him.
The most plausible scenario is that Newcastle quoted a ridiculous price to ward off Liverpool’s interest and Liverpool surprisingly agreed and opened the checkbook. Carroll has potential. He’s great in the air and he’s developing a sense for goal, but, given his scant resume and turbulent off the field history, anything more than a $20 million investment is foolish.  Liverpool paid three times over for him.  Even under the rosiest scenario where he matures into a palatable human being and a consistent, 20-goal-per-season striker, he still won’t live up his $55 million fee.  So much for Moneyball.
Carroll was a non-entity as recently as 2009. Playing in the EPL and Championship to that point, he had scored four goals in 41 appearances. There were reports that he was offered to West Ham that summer, when Newcastle was relegated, for $1.5 million and West Ham did not want him. He proceeded to have a solid year in the Championship, scoring 19 goals as Newcastle bounced back to the EPL. He then got off to a hot start, scoring 11 goals in 19 appearances, before being sold to Liverpool for $55 million. He has scored six goals in 35 appearances this season. Three came against lower league opponents in the cup competitions.
Basically, for Carroll to be effective, the team needs to be built around him. He’s big and he’s physical and that’s about it. He’s not going to link up play. He’s not going to anticipate Suarez’ movement and jump on the chances he creates. He needs someone to run down the side of the field and kick balls at him, repeatedly. That’s not going to happen at Liverpool. He should be sold, though it’s not clear Liverpool would get enough to make that tenable.
I am a relative newcomer to watching the EPL and others…Do you have specific soccer books you would recommend reading for history or strategy overviews?
- Brian S.
If you want a general history, check out David Goldblatt’s The Ball is Round. For a tactical and historical overview, read Jonathan Wilson’s Inverting the Pyramid.
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March 28th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Please explain Raul Meireles’ haircut and how it logically fits with his tattoos and game, or lack there of. This is quite a perplexing topic.
Riveting stuff going on here
March 28th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I’m guessing it took Duffy years of writing soccer colums on this site to generate enough questions for this one mailbag.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Do you have specific soccer books you would recommend reading for history or strategy overviews?
So I was about to bust out a snarky as hell joke about a historical book called “Kick it with Your Foot,” but it turns out that the book Duffy recommends has an even snarkier title.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
The comment section in this post is going to be fun.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Lol
March 28th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Because it’s akin to torture to watch them play soccer. Fuck Chelsea.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
This is already the second mailbag.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
This depends on how one define’s beauty.
beau·ty   /ˈbyuti/ [byoo-tee]
noun, plural -ties.
1. the quality present in a thing or person that gives intense pleasure or deep satisfaction to the mind, whether arising from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), a meaningful design or pattern, or something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest).
sounds gay.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Q: In these huge stadiums these guys play in, how do their moms know where to drop them off?
March 28th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
As far as books about soccer, I’d definitely hit this one up. Such a cool book.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
This depends on how one defines beauty.
the knot of a brown balloon
/illformula
March 28th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Q: When does the AIG team play? I can’t find them on the schedule.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
…but they also ruin the regular season. See Basketball, College for an example.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Sorry but you’re wrong on Carroll. He has linked up well with both Bellamy and Suarez. He is a very underrated passer of the ball and holds up play very well.
The problem has been how he is used. When he, Gerrard, and Suarez played together they clicked. Then Dalglish’s stupid ass benched Carroll for no reason whatsoever.
He shouldn’t be sold. He’s not on ridiculous wages and has loads of raw talent. Kuyt should be sold, because he has the first touch of a drunk fifteen year old.
The team doesn’t need to be built around him, it’s just that the supporting cast is not that good. Adam is largely useless and Gerrard hasn’t been able to play further up because Dalglish and Comolli completely failed to provide depth in the holding position.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
I love your consistent defense of Carroll. Keep on fighting the good fight, my man.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Also, in regards to Chelsea. Their fans left with five minutes to go in a 3-3 game against United. They are provided with plastic flags to wave at games. They’re a completely fraudulent fan base.
The difference between City and Chelsea is that before the money came in, City had one of the largest supporter bases in England. Chelsea did not. At all.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
If a tree falls in the forest…
March 28th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
…but they also ruin the regular season. See Basketball, College for an example.
the college tournament isn’t what is ruining college basketball.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
No WAG questions? WTF?
March 28th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
I didn’t say basketball, I said the regular season. The complete lack of talent and the 35 second shot clock are doing their part to kill that sport.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
phenomenal.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
If you’re going to say black people…
March 28th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
No WAG questions? WTF?
Duffy doesn’t write the kind of mailbag that’s fun.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
This is why I can’t hate on City. I at least get the sense that they have a strong fan backing. Chelsea, on the other hand, probably pays people to come to games.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
He has actually played very well in many performances this year, and not just against lower league sides.
I have zero problem building the attack around him and Suarez with Bellamy in reserve. Kuyt and Adam need to go. Downing is useful but is just not working, I still would not sell him though. Henderson is played all over the place and can’t get a constant form going and needs to be more ambitious but he is going to be a top player.
They need a true right winger and a new attacking midfielder who can break down defenses. They also do need to bring in another striker to replace Kuyt. Jackson Martinez is probably going to be that guy, even though people are dreaming of Cavani (never going to happen).
March 28th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
They should force Carroll to cut his hair until he plays like his transfer fee demands. He just looks douchey, so when you add not scoring to looking like a douche people will naturally laugh at his failures.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
By the way, only a Brazilian would ask such a dumb fucking question. They are the only fan base that cares more about how a team wins than actually winning.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
The reason Chelsea is hated so much is that they changed the power structure. They went from a scrappy overachieving team led by Gionfranco Zola (he’s the reason I fell in love with the EPL) to an immediate powerhouse. Rich teams like ManU suddenly had competition for high prices free agents, while it further exacerbated the gap between the top and bottom. It also doesn’t help that they’re based in a wealthier area of London.
In regards to Man City, by the time they were bought, the world had changed. I think people had accepted that the EPL became a playground for billionaires.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
What?
March 28th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
sent out appeals for questions a couple times. Probably used 50 percent of questions I got.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Fuck the haters, Duffy. Keep on, keepin’ on.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Q: did you type this with your feet?
March 28th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Absurd home cooking keeps Milan in the tie. Shame.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
If you’re going to say black people…
Not even close, buddy.
teleological
Oh, boy. Here we go again. “The study of design or purpose in natural phenomena.” You gotta really stay on your toes around here.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
My friends who are ManU lifers hated Chelsea. Its all they could talk about- that they bought all their players and was unfair. This is despite the fact that even after all of the major purchases by Chelsea those first 5 years, ManU still dominated the list of the most expensive transfers in EPL history.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Ya Duffy this is a great feature.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
The what was at the “free agent” part. I don’t think someone who’s been following the sport from the time of Zola would be saying that they bought all the free agents.
Also United’s big signings were all much much much better purchases than Chelsea’s biggest ones. Chelsea were the first to show that just because you can pay the money doesn’t mean you should.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Ya Duffy this is a great feature
you know how you see what you want to see? I read feature as failure there.
This is a better post than nearly everything JMac puts up, except that one time he got Cowherd to cry on cue.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Also if the season plays out like it is now, Jose seems a lot more likely to take over City than Chelsea. He has nothing to prove at Chelsea and City would be a much bigger job, and it would be a much more dramatic story for him, getting the chance to win against SAF with their rivals.
There is no way in hell Mancini holds that job if they lose the league.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
If you want WAG questions, ask them.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Link?
/Not being flippant I just want that fucking link
//Bringing my C minus drinking game tonight
///Very much like this though
March 28th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Who said anything about buying all their players? But the other issue ignored is the amount both teams spend to buy 14-16 year olds from lower level teams. Then you look at the wage structure that allows big clubs to pay top players.
Also, you might want to double check the statement about United’s success. Veron for £30?
March 28th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Liverpool should can their manager. Anyone not named Dalglish, Kenny would have been shown the door long ago.
He has a worse winning percentage than Benitez and, yes, Houllier.
Jordan Henderson or Stewart Downing may be even worse signings. $45 million combined for one goal and one assist this year. Dreadful.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Veron was a massive failure, true. However in the same window they spent a huge amount of money on Ruud, that worked out. Rooney, Rio, and even Berbatov were successful huge signings (Berbatov a victim of circumstance but he still played well when used). Anderson is coming good, the other big failure would be Hargreaves.
They also developed a lot of top players though.
I cannot believe I’m defending them.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Agree with you Duffy regarding the Chelsea old guard needing to go, and also agree with you on Essien. I doubt I’ll see anything like that happen this summer though. Bosingwa and Malouda will probably be the only players of note, and we’ll spend 50m on Kaka and 25m on another manager we’ll fire in 6 months anyways.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
mole I’m stuck doing actual work and let me say that it’s just wonderful to see you taking care of this for me.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
But look at their progression of record signings until Ruud and Veron.
Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Jaap Stam, Dwight Yorke. Yeah, those were all outstanding signings. They spent record amounts well.
By the way look at who the dipshit that bought Veron off of them was before you mock that signing too much.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
@mole – what do you think of King Kenny? Do you think he will get fired anytime soon?
In regards to your UNited comments Anderson is hurt way to much and only plays good for a few games a year. I would not be surprised if he gets sold next year sometime. Hargreaves only had 1 good year at United and that coincided with them winning the Champs league.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Don’t you people have anything better to do than hate on soccer? Next time, go stick a baseball bat up your ass instead of commenting ignorant garbage in every soccer post.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Soccer book recommendations:
How Soccer Explains the World – gives you a nice look at rivalries like Celtic-Rangers (and how the “Troubles” colors much of it) or how the flow of African talent to European leagues is causing friction in staid cultural societies.
Fever Pitch: yes, cliched, I know. Still, Hornsby’s book about his love-affair with Arsenal is one of the great sports books that everyone ought to read once in their lives. The matches are unimportant. It’s all about how the love of the game becomes a part of your life.
The Miracle of Castel di Sangro: An American reporter spends time with a small, third-tier Italian team as they slowly rise up to Serie A and then fall back down again. It’s great because of the characters and because it reminds you that soccer isn’t just the purview of the Manchester Uniteds and the Real Madrids of the world.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
If you want WAG questions, ask them.
Did Abigail Clancy dump Peter Crouch before he scored his wondergoal? Or is she still boogie-boarding?
Agree with you Duffy regarding the Chelsea old guard needing to go, and also agree with you on Essien.
It SHOULD happen, but it likely WON’T for two key reasons: 1) the Old Guard have way too many friends in the media who would make the life of a new coach impossible. 2) the Old Guard are way too buddy-buddy with Roman Abramovich.
BTW, it says something that the various world-class managers they’ve gotten since Mourinho (World-Cup winning Scolari, Ancelotti who’s won the CL and Serie A, Villas-Boas who won both European and league titles) continue to fail at Chelsea. Wonder why…
March 28th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
The Miracle of Castel di Sangro: An American reporter spends time with a small, third-tier Italian team as they slowly rise up to Serie A and then fall back down again. It’s great because of the characters and because it reminds you that soccer isn’t just the purview of the Manchester Uniteds and the Real Madrids of the world.
All three, but this one especially. Castel’s rise to Serie B (even thought they were in rec league a few years prior). Covers one season and how they managed to stay there at the end with some Italian match fixing shenanigans.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Mole- you and I have different records from success (as many of those guys were not efficient uses of capital). But it’s beside the point and I think you’re making my point for me. Before Chelsea, who else could compete financially with ManU. Not only could you spend, but a major failure didn’t lead to potential relegation. ManU spent loads of money, and continue to do it today.
And to further my point about the young kids- when you can outbid everyone for them when they’re 12 or 14 years old, you’re going to have better players come through your system. The money permeates the whole system, not just transfer fees. Chelsea, and subsequently ManCity, changed the power structure by providing more an additional major player at ALL levels.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:48 PM
Another for the book recommendations:
Soccernomics if I remember right features a bit about England, and whether they’re actually an overperforming country, contrary to their reputation for disappointment and heartbreak. The later section analyzes the components for success in international play, and concludes (unsurprisingly) that population size and GDP per capita among other factors form the greatest predictors of success. Interestingly, they have high hopes in the future for Japan, the US, and even Turkey.
There’ve been a number of good books written on just individual countries: Brilliant Orange, Calcio by John Foot, Morbo by Phil Ball, Tor!, Futebol by Alex Bellos.
March 28th, 2012 at 7:31 PM
Re: Messi and beauty, he’s not flamboyant to the same degree as the Brazilians Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, but his “ruthlessness” is beautiful because it arises from his supernatural balance and fluency with the ball. There are tons of players who can do tricks and stepovers, but only Messi makes amazing plays look completely obvious and inevitable. His only flaw is that his genius feels a little impersonal, unlike Zidane or Maradona. But people also complain that Spain is a boring team to watch, because they don’t bomb down the flanks.
March 28th, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Another very good book is Paul Gardner’s “The Simplest Game”. A good history with plenty of tactical evolution discussed.
March 29th, 2012 at 11:15 PM
By the way, only a Brazilian would ask such a dumb fucking question. They are the only fan base that cares more about how a team wins than actually winning.
Hey HuskerDawg, I’m a longtime lurker, first time poster. The question was actually mine. Two quick points:
1. If you read my question, it was actually a friend of mine (Ethiopian by way of Ohio) who made the point that led to my question. The thought had never occurred to me.
2. My club – Fluminense – won tonight, in the South American version of the Champions League. They won ugly, and I couldn’t be happier.