You can argue its actual help or if other athletes do it, the legality, etc – but that’s all extraneous to Tiger’s usage. There’s a lot to suggest he did.

but this is all in concert with the leg injury, so we have to look at what we’re dealing with before blaming the string of injuries on PED use.

perhaps he used PED’s, which allowed him to work out more, which allowed him to train with navy SEALs, which allowed him to practice more golf…lot of leaps to take without even thinking “you know, he could’ve gotten hurt working out like a maniac or training with navy SEALs if he didn’t take PED’s.”

im not a deep thinker…i like the KISS method (hate the band more than hitler). dude’s a type A workaholic who has a knee that’s not nearly as strong as it once was…PED’s, no PED’s, it’s pretty common medical knowledge that tendons compensating for a weakened joint are more likely to be injured.

that’s nice, easy, tidy.

Listen, I think Tiger is a piece of shit, who I wouldnt trust with $5 of my money, but he’s also played the best golf of anybody who ever lived. I also think he used some PEDs b/c he had a maniacal workout obsession. The fact is he did work with Galea. It makes his cred look extremely suspect.

You can argue its actual help or if other athletes do it, the legality, etc – but that’s all extraneous to Tiger’s usage. There’s a lot to suggest he did. I can see some points that say legally he didn’t, I’d agree there is zero chance of him facing charges. But I’m not going to ignore everything out there.

Dual flash son.

training in the gym and practicing the proper golf technique are 2 different things.

exactly my point…so how is it cheating in golf?

Are you saying in the world of common sense, not the law, it’s out of bounds to say he may have used PEDs? Why work with Galea then?

why did peyton, vijay, fed couples, etc work with that german doctor known for untraditional techniques? because they’re competitive and want to win and traditional methods weren’t giving them the results they wanted.

in the world of common sense, PED’s don’t help golfers, PED’s don’t lower scores and tiger had absolutely no reason to use steroids for a reason other than vanity. hell, his lasik is probably more of a performance enhancer than any drug he couldve taken.

but when a dude’s injured the same leg he had two tumors removed from in 1994, im not rushing to judgement. especially since it doesn’t matter at all…he’s still injured.

I can go bowling once ever few months, get a heavy drink going, and still throw a 600

Dang, and I thought a 300 was as good as it gets.

I object (overruled)
I strenuously object.

training in the gym and practicing the proper golf technique are 2 different things.

We could go in circles forever but there’s a shitload of circumstantial evidence that could make a rational person think (not in a court of law) that he did PEDs. Im not advocating putitng him in jail or anything. I really dont care if he did or didnt. But its not unreasonable to question if he did. Are you saying in the world of common sense, not the law, it’s out of bounds to say he may have used PEDs? Why work with Galea then?

So what about the ruptured right Achilles in ’08?

doesn’t matter which achilles it is because it’s still circumstantial and the injury in question is to his left tendon. rupturing his right achilles does not mean he used PED’s just because he’s had left leg problems too.

What are the benefits of Actovegin use in athletes?

In research studies, Actovegin has been shown to exert insulin-like activity, such as stimulating the transport of glucose in the body, as well as glucose oxidation.

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that’s circumstantial. what’s not is that an achilles tendon would need to bear more weight after the knee on the same leg has been operated on four times.

So what about the ruptured right Achilles in ’08?

It provides benefits like HGH.

what PED DOESN’T have benefits like…well all the other ones? according to wiki, actovegin “improves absorption of glucose and oxygen uptake in tissue” which is absolutely nothing whatsoever even close remotely related to what HGH does.

it’s a completely legit point to discuss since he was caught using a non-licensed doctor who’s been found guilt on traffing PED’s and has used PED’s with other world class athletes.

that’s circumstantial. what’s not is that an achilles tendon would need to bear more weight after the knee on the same leg has been operated on four times.

Being JACKED has nothing to do w/ PED usage. If he was able to add 3-4 hours a day of training b/c the PED allowed him this, then that’s still cheating. That’s why most elite fast-twitch athletes use PEDs – extra training.

well he obviously didn’t train more for golf otherwise he’d have continued dominating like he did under butch.

2012 Tiger needs a lot of range time to contend. He won’t have it if that achilles is tweaked.

it’s a completely legit point to discuss since he was caught using a non-licensed doctor who’s been found guilt on traffing PED’s and has used PED’s with other world class athletes.

Being JACKED has nothing to do w/ PED usage. If he was able to add 3-4 hours a day of training b/c the PED allowed him this, then that’s still cheating. That’s why most elite fast-twitch athletes use PEDs – extra training. And spare me the “he’s in the gym the most” comment. So was Barry Bonds.

Soft tissue drama is a factor in PEDs. He could just a 35-year old man who’s like 45 b/c of over-taxing his body. But to at least suspect it is not irrational.

/one note…make sure you setup to the ball the same way everytime. preshot routine is very important…you want it so that you don’t even think about your routine when you’re out there.

I was worried about that. It’s the single most frustrating thing in my life right now. In 2010 and for years before, I was around 90 with no practice other than a few shots before the first hole. In 2011, I couldn’t play to save my life and so far this year it’s more of the same. It’s like whatever ability I had fucking disappeared.

you know, it’s not nearly as bad as you think…and the improvements come pretty quickly. and they’re dramatic too…consistency, power and accuracy all improve.

but the big thing is understanding the physics behind ballflight. understand this chart and, really, everything else is superfluous. even keeping a flat left wrist only helps in consistency…all you should be concerned with right now is making sure that the clubface is pointed at your target at impact.

Spence … any good tips or drills for someone who manages to both not strike down and not get turned through the ball, resulting in semi-line drive 50-yd blocked shots to the right?

Beer and bowling.

Bowling is the one thing I can do as if it’s second nature. I can go bowling once ever few months, get a heavy drink going, and still throw a 600.

go back to basics…start from scratch.

I was worried about that. It’s the single most frustrating thing in my life right now. In 2010 and for years before, I was around 90 with no practice other than a few shots before the first hole. In 2011, I couldn’t play to save my life and so far this year it’s more of the same. It’s like whatever ability I had fucking disappeared.

Beer and bowling.

Or Top Golf!

any good tips or drills for someone who manages to both not strike down and not get turned through the ball, resulting in semi-line drive 50-yd blocked shots to the right?

go back to basics…start from scratch.

build your grip, practice that so it’s second nature. work on aligning the clubface square to the target line until it’s second nature. then just work on chips and shots around the green focusing on keeping your left wrist flat at impact.

those types of shots are a result of a bunch of different things…id recommend getting hogan’s 5 fundamentals just for the grip and setup stuff. from there, you’ll start to feel the chain reaction.

unfortunately, there’s no quick fix for those types of shots.