Comments on: The Trade For Robert Griffin III Dwarfs Every Other Trade To Get A Quarterback at the Top of the Draft http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/ Sports, Media, Entertainment Sat, 25 May 2013 05:10:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: starkweatherhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1607505 starkweather Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:41:15 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1607505 People trying to hammer me assume that RGIII will be great (and that the Redskins will fill those spots with draft picks by instead finding the next Welker and Arian Foster as UDFA, another set of extremely rosy results), but that the Rams will be mediocre in using all those picks.

I’m just seeing this and I wasn’t really trying to hammer you, I just think the rookie wage scale changes the value of draft picks immensely. I don’t even expect RGIII to be a star, really. Cam Newton was a revelation and I can’t say I expect to see that again, but it might happen. My point is just that the possibility that RGIII could be that good for that low of a price for 4 years makes the trade potentially worthwhile. Based on how the Redskins grade him (obviously pretty highly) and the way the rules on the field emphasize the importance of having a great QB I think it’s a worthwhile risk for the Redskins employed braintrust (Mr. Snyder is whole other bag of issues) to pull the trigger on the trade. And the rookie wage scale is brand new. This is going to be the first draft that occurs with those rules in place.

]]> By: Jason Liskhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605660 Jason Lisk Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:37:05 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605660 You place optimum value in the nameless, faceless picks the Skins traded away, while placing a high potential of mediocrity or bust on Griffin in spite of the high evaluations he has received.

absolutely false

]]> By: scriptyhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605094 scripty Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:30:37 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605094 There’s two sits of risks here in play here.
-The risk of RG3 being an elite QB with the skills that propels a team to a Super Bowl. In this case, that risk seems reasonable.
-The risk that the WAS front office can overcome the loss of draft picks (picks where there is less risk) and surround the rest of the team with enough difference makers to make these deep playoff runs. The WAS supporters here chime in “There is more talent on this team now than you think”. Okay, but what about in 4-5 years when RG3 hits his prime, will the talent be there?

I think there is too much talk on the former and not enough on the latter. I like RG3 but there is no example to really compare with this move. This is a true “we’ll have to wait and see” scenario.

But aren’t you making this move for when RG3 hits his prime. When he does, how will the WAS roster look?

]]> By: Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah!http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605090 Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:02:50 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605090

Yes, if you assure me that RGIII is guaranteed to be a star, I like the trade. RGIII is not guaranteed to be a star. They paid like he was. No room for error. Fin.

The Draft is a process of making a decision based on intense evaluations. No one is guaranteed to be a star. The Colts just released one of the greatest QB’s in the history of the game in anticpation of drafting someone who isn’t guaranteed to be a star, why? Because based on their evaluation and the evaluation of others this new guy is coming in with the goods, and based on other factors surrounding Manning, it is worth the risk. Without the benefit of a crystal ball, that is all you can really go by. No one is guaranteed to be a star, and that is the flaw in your argument. You place optimum value in the nameless, faceless picks the Skins traded away, while placing a high potential of mediocrity or bust on Griffin in spite of the high evaluations he has received.

]]> By: Jason Liskhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605087 Jason Lisk Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:15:37 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605087 This is actually a new era of draft pick worth, too, and it’s early in that era. Plus the way the rules are now, a good QB is worth more. I think the Redskins might have been motivated by the relative success of Cam Newton last year in energizing the Panthers. If RGIII is anywhere near as good this year as Cam was last year then the immediate return is pretty good and they have a low cost starting QB for four years. It’s a valiant effort to compare across eras but I think we’re already in a completely different valuation period than when the Chargers and Giants made their big trade.

It’s a different era than the last ten years. Yes. Teams way way way overvalued top picks in recent years relative to other picks.

However, do you think that performance of top QB’s is suddenly going to spike? That Cam Newton just washed away everything else? I don’t think so. That’s the key piece. Yes, if RG III is incredible, an all pro type player, then the deal works. That’s the piece that people just seem to assume based on overconfidence, Cam Newton, etc.

Yes, if you told me I could trade for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at age 24 for two future 1sts and a 2nd, I do it. It’s the “not knowing” part that creates the risk.

People trying to hammer me assume that RGIII will be great (and that the Redskins will fill those spots with draft picks by instead finding the next Welker and Arian Foster as UDFA, another set of extremely rosy results), but that the Rams will be mediocre in using all those picks.

Yes, if you assure me that RGIII is guaranteed to be a star, I like the trade. RGIII is not guaranteed to be a star. They paid like he was. No room for error. Fin.

]]> By: Quietgoesthedonhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605083 Quietgoesthedon Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:01:26 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605083 I met Bert Jones’s niece, once. Hotter than hell.

]]> By: Quietgoesthedonhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605082 Quietgoesthedon Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:01:00 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605082 All the barbers in San Diego must suck.

]]> By: Nadahttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605052 Nada Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:44:15 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605052 Also, that picture of Leaf makes me wonder who’s douchier: Leaf or Rivers?

]]> By: Nadahttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605051 Nada Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:42:51 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605051

1973. Baltimore trades defensive end Billy Newsome and the 86th pick for the 2nd overall to select Bert Jones.

The Colts made the Aints their draft bitches both here and in 1967, when New Orleans gave up the first pick overall for Colts backup QB gary Cuozzo and the Colts got Bubba Smith. In 1973, the Aints ended up with Newsome and the Colts got Bert Jones. That’s what happend when your owner makes a former astronaut with no NFL experience your team’s GM.

]]> By: bkhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605050 bk Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:41:11 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605050 Is Synder now dumber than Al Davis with the Palmer deal. I say yes.

]]> By: styngahttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605037 stynga Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:48:22 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605037 If I’m Cleveland, I keep both my 1st rounders just like they’ve done. I applaud them for this.

]]> By: Clayton Cargillhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605033 Clayton Cargill Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:24:20 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605033 The Chargers/Giants comparison doesn’t work because San Diego still ended up with a quarterback. They didn’t “trade up to get a QB” so much as “trade up to swap QBs”.

well, actually, the Giants traded for Manning, not the pick, since the trade went down after he was already selected.
Amazingly, that draft produced three really good quarterbacks in the top 3 chosen.

]]> By: reggie_dunlaphttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605026 reggie_dunlap Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:03:41 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605026 To be fair, Jeff George thinks he is better than half the current qb’s now.

]]> By: Jim Harbaugh Scramblehttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605025 Jim Harbaugh Scramble Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:01:44 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605025 kinda disappointing that whitlock didn’t stop in to comment on Jeff George.

]]> By: scriptyhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605021 scripty Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:34:33 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605021 Jacksonville will out-do the Redskins and send four #1′s to DEN for Tebow.

]]> By: reggie_dunlaphttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605020 reggie_dunlap Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:34:29 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605020 Good stuff Lisk! Lots of shitty quarterbacks on that list.

]]> By: Mike NYChttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605019 Mike NYC Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:30:45 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605019

It’s a valiant effort to compare across eras but I think we’re already in a completely different valuation period than when the Chargers and Giants made their big trade.

The Chargers/Giants comparison doesn’t work because San Diego still ended up with a quarterback. They didn’t “trade up to get a QB” so much as “trade up to swap QBs”. Washington is paying a premium because there are no other QBs after Luck and Griffin. Not the case when the Chargers made their trade — they were still getting Rivers.

]]> By: A.P. (artist formerly TJ21)http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605018 A.P. (artist formerly TJ21) Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:30:27 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605018 Every time I start to feel bad about the Bills’ situation, I remind myself that the Redskins are even dumber

]]> By: KingGrizzhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605017 KingGrizz Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:27:16 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605017 Lisk — Great article, could you include the link for the Kosar thing? I didn’t see anything and that sounds like a cool read

]]> By: scriptyhttp://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/10/the-trade-for-robert-griffin-iii-dwarfs-every-other-trade-to-get-a-quarterback-at-the-top-of-the-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1605015 scripty Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:20:55 +0000 http://thebiglead.com/?p=166082#comment-1605015 It’d almost made more sense for CLE to do this haul than WAS b/c they have 2 1sts and could have accelerated the negative impact of the loss of draft selections. I’m not so sure though.

I think it’s entirely possible for WAS to scuffle for the next 4-5 seasons with RG3 due to the loss of picks, and then maybe he can make the pick worth it. It’s like going way over budget to get in on a real estate deal, if you were uber confident on the property escalating in value. You’re just shitting your pants, facing bankrupty, for 4-5 years and then praying for some good fortune.

But I’ll defer to our resident real estate expert…

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