Comments on: Sean Payton’s Hubris, and His Relationship With Mike Ornstein, Are at the Center of Saints’ Bounty Scandal

By: spencer096

spencer096 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:12:22 +0000

/counts pubris

By: YoungmanU2

YoungmanU2 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:09:12 +0000

I thought this would be a story and their would be minor punishment

Editor?

but I think Benson is going to have to fire Payton.

Whoa. This is over-the-top. It’s obviously a very bad thing. And, without ever excusing it, it’s been in the league for a long time. And, Payton should be hammered by this. But, fired? And bring in Cowher? That would simply guarantee they’d never win a title, ever. Payton/Brees have made this team relevant.

By: BFFredo

BFFredo — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:29:50 +0000

I’m pretty well known as being the one most critical of this shit, especially by authors, but I’d give Lisk a pass. It’s a weekend post, and he has like a million kids. There probably wasn’t much of an editorial process.

Agree with this plus the fact that Lisk has a strong track record on both content and grammar.

And a strong record on births too!

BTW, I don’t think the CBA allegations will matter. Off-the-books bonuses/payments occur all the time — whether it’s one player buying his number from another or a QB buying his linemen $50K watches for covering his ass. None of that is factored into the official bonus programs either and it’s allowed and publicized by the NFL.

The NFL will make this about how this violated the NFL’s policies and try to keep it in house.

By: Wide Word of Sport (?)

Wide Word of Sport (?) — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:30:59 +0000

but this stuff really gets my goat, so to speak.

Who the fuck are you? If you start talking about p-values next, we’re gonna have an issue.

/flexes

By: Wide Word of Sport (?)

Wide Word of Sport (?) — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:30:14 +0000

Hey wwos..i have as many kids as lisk and….wait you never criticize me…never mind

You have twins though… it basically only counts as one kid.

/waits to get slapped by every* woman with kids here

*none, I think

By: vezina

vezina — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:09:17 +0000

Hey wwos..i have as many kids as lisk and….wait you never criticize me…never mind

By: tommyp

tommyp — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:42:26 +0000

I would agree mostly regarding Lisk, who is the best writer on the site, but it is English 101. A weekend post and having a million kids should not excuse him from knowing the difference. Call me the grammar police if you will, but this stuff really gets my goat, so to speak.

By: heellacious

heellacious — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:50:15 +0000

I’m pretty well known as being the one most critical of this shit, especially by authors, but I’d give Lisk a pass. It’s a weekend post, and he has like a million kids. There probably wasn’t much of an editorial process.

Agree with this plus the fact that Lisk has a strong track record on both content and grammar.

By: Wide Word of Sport (?)

Wide Word of Sport (?) — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:05:32 +0000

I thought this would be a story and their would be minor punishment, everyone would pretend that players don’t try to hit hard all the time, and we move on.

By: Wide Word of Sport (?)

Wide Word of Sport (?) — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:03:37 +0000

I don’t think so. The Saints’ malfeasance happened on the field, so it was still restricted by the rules of play.

The manipulation of the salary cap, depending where exactly the money came from, is a bigger deal, as far as competitive advantage goes. As for Spygate, why can we not make it one freaking comment without comparing two completely different and unrelated events.

I’m giving Lisk all my unused +1s for the week, just for having the ability to write this post and not mentioning Spygate or the Pats one.

By: tommyp

tommyp — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:08:13 +0000

This is about just a few bounties like the Watergate scandal was just about a break-in. When the news first broke yesterday, I thought this would be a story and their would be minor punishment, everyone would pretend that players don’t try to hit hard all the time, and we move on.Ugh. Really? This is supposed to be a site now owned by Gannett. Something like this should not slip past editors. Seriously. English 101. Their, there and they're are three different things. And if you don't know that by now, find another way to make the point.

By: vezina

vezina — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:59:08 +0000

but stark and anyone else, how is this different than paying some punk 1k to kneecap someone you don’t like? i said it yesterday and i say it today…this is criminal

By: vezina

vezina — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:56:39 +0000

i mean it

By: starkweather

starkweather — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:53:14 +0000

The fact that the Saints had a bounty system isn’t why they are in trouble. The fact that they were told to knock it off and then just went ahead with it anyway is why they are in trouble. If other teams have bounty systems, and I’m sure they do, unless they were told by the NFL to squash it and did nothing at all to squash it there isn’t a comparison to be made. Of course, I’ve only seen that excuse thrown up as a roadblock to that theoretical excuse being made. I haven’t actually seen or read anybody saying, “No fair! Other teams do it, too!”

By: vezina

vezina — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:52:20 +0000

One wonders if this might get Payton and Loomis out of the bayou and Bill Cowher in

brees could leave and maybe in shamel any player who knew of this and didn’t blow a whistle is part of this

he may not want to stick around a proigram that might be gutted by fines, suspensions and lost draft picks

By: vezina

vezina — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:52:20 +0000

One wonders if this might get Payton and Loomis out of the bayou and Bill Cowher in

brees could leave and maybe in shamel any player who knew of this and didn’t blow a whistle is part of this

he may not want to stick around a proigram that might be gutted by fines, suspensions and lost draft picks

By: KC Resident

KC Resident — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:35:54 +0000

Oskie – You might be right. I probably shouldn’t speak for millionaire athletes. That $1500/$10K that isn’t taxed might pay off a baby momma for a week. Or a night at the strip club.

By: BFFredo

BFFredo — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:33:08 +0000

We still have those who’ll defend the team and ride/die with it in spite of the evidence

Are you speaking of Breesus?

Not just him, but many countless others.

The Saints knowingly allowed this to happen. The payments, because of this knowledge of the bounty program and endorsed bu the coaching staff and management

This is the thing that burns them: not the amounts or whether or not it violated the CBA rules regarding bonuses. Quite simply, the people who are supposed to know better and stop it didn’t. Akin to CFB scandals like Ohio State’s tatts — it’s bad if you don’t know but it’s worse to know and do nothing about it.

By: oskie

oskie — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:30:20 +0000

KC- i just think that money is money to these guys. helps cover the fines they may receive.

By: KC Resident

KC Resident — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:27:05 +0000

We still have those who’ll defend the team and ride/die with it in spite of the evidence BFFredo

Are you speaking of Breesus?

Didn’t Vilma throw down $10k on a table? that’s cash money, homey. they would do it in a cocaine heartbeat. Oskie

No clue. This is the most I’ve read on this all week. I didn’t think it was much of a story. I just saw somewhere that $1500 was the reward for something. Give me $10K and I’d be on the first Greyhound bus to sex up Warner’s wife. Maybe. Somewhere around Gallup, NM, I may ask that the pot be sweetened.