The Conference Champion Requirement For a Four-Team Playoff Would Enhance the College Football Regular Season
College football will implement a four-team playoff by 2014. One proposal is to require the four teams to be conference champions. SI’s Stewart Mandel argues this would be a “surefire way” to undermine the playoff. We disagree. We think it would improve both the playoff and the regular season.
Entertainment and profit are reasons enough for a playoff, but the true purpose is to provide a coherent and just finish to the regular season, thereby improving both products. Selecting only conference champions does this.
Mandel criticizes the system that would have played out this year, because the bracket would not have had the four best teams. It would have looked like this.
LSU (1) vs. Wisconsin (10)
Oklahoma State (3) vs. Oregon (5)
Mandel’s criticism was that Wisconsin was the 10th best team. Were they? Had one of their two traumatic minutes gone the other way the Badgers would have been in the conversation with Alabama and Oklahoma State. The BCS formula has no predictive value. We’re not Vegas experts, but setting the odds for a neutral site game in early December, Wisconsin would have been favored or at the very least approximately even against (9) South Carolina, (8) Kansas State, (7) Boise State and (6) Arkansas. It’s hard to say those teams, none of whom won their conference or division, have cause to feel slighted.
The above bracket may not feature the four best teams. However, how the teams arrived there is as important as the bracket itself. This bracket logically extends from the regular season, giving truth to the notion that “every game counts” and the regular season is a de facto playoff. LSU eliminated Alabama (2) and Arkansas (6) by beating them and beating them in the SEC West. They indirectly beat (9) South Carolina who did not win their division. Oklahoma State eliminated Kansas State by beating them and by winning the Big 12. Oregon eliminated Stanford by beating them in the Pac 12 North and winning the Pac 12. Boise State (7) did not win its conference.
The gravest point for contention would have been whether Wisconsin (10) deserved to go ahead of Clemson (15). Few would have made that argument. Using a more conclusive formula than the present BCS edition would eliminate it. Every contender had a chance to reach the playoff under this system and had that chance eliminated on the field. Compare this to what would have happened in 2011 with Mandel’s straight seeding plan.
LSU (1) vs. Stanford (4)
Alabama (2) vs. Oklahoma State (3)
This may be a better bracket. It also renders much of the regular season meaningless. Alabama faced no consequence from losing to LSU, losing its division and losing its conference. Worse, Stanford reaches the playoff ahead of Oregon when the Ducks won the Pac 12 North, won the Pac 12 and beat the Cardinal by three touchdowns in Palo Alto. Stanford would have received the nod solely because they were less ambitious with non-conference scheduling.
Straight seeding four teams does not end the season conclusively. It shoves the present controversies down a level. It would be just as difficult to find a consensus four teams as it has been to find a consensus two teams. You would still have teams eliminated, not by losing but by being voted out. Using just conference champions does what the conferences should want: It adds tension to marquee conference games and it makes the title game a vital playoff elimination. It does what fans should want: reduce the incentive to schedule four rubber stamp non-conference games.
Selecting only conference champions enhances the regular season, ends almost every point for contention and provides as concrete of an ending as possible in a four team format. Straight-seeding provides a better bracket. Selecting only conference champions provides a better college football season.
Previously: A Sensible College Football Playoff Plan Version 2.0
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March 1st, 2012 at 2:43 PM
But it would also make the playoff a farce as the best teams wouldn’t be in it.
/See Alabama and Stanford this year
//see UGA in 2007
///see Alabama in 2008
March 1st, 2012 at 2:45 PM
About right. Oregon, Stanford, OKST, Bama, LSU, USC and Boise were certainly better. I think I’d take Arkansas over them as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:47 PM
I think I’d rather have a 6-team playoff instead of a 4- or 8-team format. Give the top 2 teams a bye and go from there.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:47 PM
You can’t say “What if the results were different?” to justify this.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Can I go for 4 in a row?
I also think Mich State was at the very least just as good as Wisconsin last year.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:48 PM
About right. Oregon, Stanford, OKST,… Boise were certainly better
Certainly better? I think if UW played all of those teams 10 times, they’d probably go 5-5. They CERTAINLY gave Oregon a run for their money.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:48 PM
I love these posts and the comments they generate.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Yes.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 PM
agreed that it was a down year for the big ten.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 PM
I think Wisconsin being the tenth best team is a fair statement. However I was shocked to see them ranked as the fourth most jacked NBA player.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:51 PM
I prefer a system that guarantees Saban and Meyer a spot every year.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:51 PM
not sure the college football regular season needs to be enhanced considering this site’s insistence that it’s the postseason that needs fixing.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:51 PM
What if the results were different?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:52 PM
What if the results were white?
/fuck you mantis
March 1st, 2012 at 2:52 PM
counterpoint: what if the results were the same?
/ominous thunder
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 PM
+1 slow, white defensive end
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 PM
AND THE LIGHTNING STRIKES
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 PM
who you calling a sheep?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Looks like i picked a great time to come back from lunch.
/hangs self with belt
//masturbates
///gotta pass the time until the next post somehow
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 PM
I already told you the policy…and even I am not above the policy.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Again what I was saying was that there’s significant doubt about where Wisconsin is ranked and the fact the BCS rankings ranked them 10th does not provide any levity or foster Mandel’s point that having the 10th place team was problematic.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Don’t undersell genius, Duffy. That would most definitely be a better bracket.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Certainly better?
Yes.
How can you say Oregon is certainly better than Wisconsin, when if a ball doesn’t magically stay in bounds, they’d probably end up winning that game? Probably better? Okay? Certainly better is busting out the hyperbole.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Unless it’s Notre Dame.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:55 PM
/ominous thunder
AND THE LIGHTNING STRIKES
Should be the other way around.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 PM
I so hate this talking point.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Oregon’s fun to watch.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 PM
I just changed a tire for a co-worker. The spare was also flat. Is my co-worker:
A. Male
B. Female
March 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Here, let me shoehorn this sentence in where it doesn’t belong so I can get this link out there.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
What is the results of a each game were kept secret?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
“Selecting only conference champions provides a better college football season.”
So in 2008, Oklahoma would have been chosen instead of Texas despite the fact that Texas beat them during the regular season, since they were the *conference champion* due to having a higher BCS rating. So Texas is left out despite beating a team head-to-head that got in. If the top 4 teams were selected, Texas & Oklahoma would have both been in the playoff. I fail to see how only selecting conference champions would “ends almost every point for contention”.
The idea way to structure the 4 team playoff would be to state that a team can only receive an at-large bid if its conference champion is already selected. Thus, in 2001, Alabama: IN. Stanford: OUT. Oregon would take their place as the next highest ranked team. This solves the issue of a team being punished for playing in a more competitive conference (Only conf champions) while also not punishing teams that win their conference but who play harder OOC schedules and thus, get ranked behind teams in their conference that they beat solely due to OOC losses (top-4 teams).
March 1st, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Because saying it bothers you, and that makes me smile.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
A. Male
/For shock value.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
I just changed a tire for a co-worker. The spare was also flat. Is my co-worker:
A. Male
B. Female
Wow… literally laughing out loud.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
they’re certainly better because chip kelly shops for his players at neiman marcus while derp beilema keeps getting his stolen.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
You people just don’t learn.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Well I like both of those choices but I’m going to go with “C. Asian.”
March 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM
but what if it was different?
/speculative eyebrow raise
March 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM
What is the results of each game were kept secret?
The NCAA could have a show right before the bowl games where famous alums would open envelopes that were sealed by Price Waterhouse to reveal the results. You are a smart man, Mr. Ryan.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM
Both
March 1st, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Should be the other way around.
but what if it was different?
/speculative eyebrow raise
What if monkeys flew out of my ass? Does that change anything?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:00 PM
I love this.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Friends of mine saw a drunk Bielema stumbling down State Street last weekend, feel like I’m the last person in Madison who’s seem him blitzed out of his mind downtown at some point
March 1st, 2012 at 3:00 PM
I always like to play a game with Duffy posts on the over/under of words in the shortest sentence. Usually, the line is set at about 4.5 words. Today, the under wins.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:01 PM
I so hate this talking point.
me too. spence busted it out in the obama post, highlighting (i think) that saying that winning at the right time was silly. he bolded those words. i will always fight to the near death that you cannot insult a team with a worse record who wins a title if your team with the better record didn;t win at the most important time.
can not spell ‘performing under pressure’ without ‘champion’ (don’t check)
for the millionth time, you want your favorite team to be called the best team or champion?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:01 PM
Friends of mine saw a drunk Bielema stumbling down State Street last weekend
…chasing down some frightened 20 year old co-ed.
/fixed for accuracy
March 1st, 2012 at 3:01 PM
“Thus, in 2001, Alabama: IN. Stanford: OUT. ”
*2001 = 2011
March 1st, 2012 at 3:01 PM
What the fuck do I care why they post this stuff? It’s CFB, baby. I’ll talk that shit all fucking day.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Oklahoma was chosen. They did win the Big 12 because Texas got Crabtree’d into a three way tie, where the tie breaker was BCS ranking. The system worked.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 PM
I just changed a tire for a co-worker. The spare was also flat. Is my co-worker:
A. Male
B. Female
Wow… literally laughing out loud.
More clues… I should also note this coworker’s tire was exploded. This coworker then proceeds to tell me it blew on her way back from lunch and she continued driving to the parking lot. She then proceeded to tell me she had noticed a large bubble on the side of the tire on Monday.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Since they were able to manipulate you to do shit for them, I’m going to go with B. with a nice set of C’s.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Oh come on, who checks their spare tire? Mine hasnt seen the light of day in the 10 years Ive had my car, so I have no idea if its flat or not.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Her and she are pretty big clues. Unless you really think very little of some guy. Or you’re Bill Parcells.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:05 PM
I dont know anything about cars, but I know how to change a tire.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Oh come on, who checks their spare tire? Mine hasnt seen the light of day in the 10 years Ive had my car, so I have no idea if its flat or not.
lol. Better check it then
March 1st, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Thanks for ruining the answer. I really like problem solving you know.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Good one.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 PM
my dog is dream chasing rabbits, complete with mini barks
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 PM
I dont know anything about cars, but I know how to change a tire.
If anyone doesn’t, hopefully Darwin will do his due diligence shorty.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Ryan Palmer -4 today. Striking distance!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Completely agree.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:08 PM
I grew up pretty spoiled, my dad knew how to fix anything on a car. I never really learned how to do anything except check the oil.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
One of the funniest lines in movie history
March 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Agree completely
March 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
I grew up pretty spoiled, my dad knew how to fix anything on a car. I never really learned how to do anything except check the oil
You seem like a smart gal, I’m sure you could use your deductive reasoning skills and figure out how to change a tire.
/unscrew lug nuts
//jack up car
///remove tire
////put on spare
/////tighten lug nuts
fin.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:10 PM
am I the only one who gets a laugh whenever they see Clemson and anything involving National Championship?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:11 PM
I’ll give you ten dollars for a verbal response.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 PM
i grew up pretty spoiled…my father would simply buy a new car whenever anything went wrong.
/tyberius q duffington IV
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 PM
//////drives away while car is still jacked up
March 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Im sure I probably could too, but Ive never had the chance.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
//////drives away while car is still jacked up
there’s always one asshole lurking around here. today you are that asshole.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:13 PM
/unscrew lug nuts (I’d go with “loosen”)
//jack up car
///remove tire
////put on spare
/////lower car
//////tighten lug nuts in star formation
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
And attempt to drive away as your car is still jacked up in the air.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Lefty surely does
/pours one out
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
One of my favorite scenes in crub involved a car as well.
Guy pulls into handicap spot with a handicap sticker.
Larry: “What’s with the walking?”
Deaf guy: “I’m deaf you asshole”
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
so you’re saying you don’t know how to check your blinker fluid?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
/call AAA
//smoke jeffrey
///my car’s gonna look like a fuckin’ werewolf
////forget about car
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Her and she are pretty big clues.
Sorry. It was too obvious. I couldn’t help it.
//////drives away while car is still jacked up
+ 5 lug nuts.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Look at you all, getting your panties in a bunch, I’m sure CJ would figure out she needs to lower the car before driving away.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I guess me and Babar are that asshole too.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Did you guy’s know you should lower the car after putting in a spare tire?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
And I think I know the basic process of changing the oil, but whats the point if it takes me twice as long and doesnt really cost that much less than Jiffy Lube to do it yourself?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I’ll give you ten dollars for a verbal response.
I was about to say how stupid those stupid little jacks are, but that demonstrates the point way better.
I wonder why KC Res’s dumb lady didn’t have roadside assistance. They’ll do that shit for free. All dumb ladies should have that, although I guess you’d have to stay with the car.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I love the “chat and cut” scene from last year.
“I see what you did there…you’ve got skills.”
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I grew up pretty spoiled, my dad knew how to fix anything on a car. I never really learned how to do anything except check the oil.
You don’t know how to put summer air in your tires in the summer and winter air in your tires for the winter?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Is this a dumb blonde joke?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
I wonder why KC Res’s dumb lady didn’t have roadside assistance. They’ll do that shit for free. All dumb ladies should have that, although I guess you’d have to stay with the car.
I asked her why she doesn’t have AAA. Her car is 12 years old.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
How many assholes do we have here?
/hands go up
I’m surrounded by assholes!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:16 PM
I thought you were headed the other way…noting that you had to change some dude’s tire. I would have no problem helping a lady out…especially with the aforementioned C’s.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:17 PM
You didn’t help your gender’s case with this statement.
I just got candy from the vending machine. Was it:
a.) Skittles
b.) Snickers
c.) 3 Musketeers
d.) Twix
e.) a melted twix that stuck to the fucking wrapper and I’m currently writing a letter to the Mars company on my employer’s letterhead
March 1st, 2012 at 3:17 PM
doesnt really cost that much less than Jiffy Lube to do it yourself?
/1%’d
March 1st, 2012 at 3:18 PM
This is what I worry about. My husband has AAA because he just gets it as a Christmas gift from his folks every year. So basically if I ever break down I have to call him first so he can be at the scene when AAA gets there.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:18 PM
I was about to say how stupid those stupid little jacks are
I had to twist the damn thing about 100 times to get the exploded tire and rim off the ground. Brutal. I would have been better off getting the jack from my truck, but it was like 100 yards away. I am extremely choosy in my laziness.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:18 PM
You going to pass that Jeffrey or what?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
And I think I know the basic process of changing the oil, but whats the point if it takes me twice as long and doesnt really cost that much less than Jiffy Lube to do it yourself?
and then there’s the oil that’s your problem to get rid of, and how gross your whole body gets getting under a car at all.
Changing oil is for morons. So is swapping out tires. Then again, I know fuck all about cars.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Was her rim totally fucked KC?
Driving on the rim can’t be good.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:19 PM
OH! I just remembered, I do own a set of jumper cables AND Ive had to use them before(and show dudes how to use them). So Ive got that going for me.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 PM
I thought you were headed the other way…noting that you had to change some dude’s tire.
Maybe if the dude was like 80 and in a wheelchair. Otherwise, if a grown ass man can’t change a tire, maybe when he gets a flat would be a good time to learn.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Cant believe I forgot to mention this part
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Dear Mr. Mars:
I confused the Twix wrapper with a Mounds, how will you make amends? Nevermind I also confused Blake Griffin with Tyrus Thomas and said Magic couldn’t be a PG because he was tall, this instance was not user error, I can assure you.
XOXOXO
SC
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 PM
http://zipmeme.com/meme/10462/
March 1st, 2012 at 3:21 PM
/Team Floor Jack
March 1st, 2012 at 3:22 PM
This is what I worry about. My husband has AAA because he just gets it as a Christmas gift from his folks every year. So basically if I ever break down I have to call him first so he can be at the scene when AAA gets there.
I think it costs 20 bucks a year or something like that, when you add it to your auto insurance. It’s super cheap, honestly. Less than the cost of straightening your pubes.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:22 PM
i love jumping cars when im stoned…i just hold each end and look at them quizzically while i hack my way through the fog in my brain trying to recall the proper sequencing. then once i remember, i usually have to move the cars since they weren’t close enough for the cables to reach.
only reason i love this is because it makes me feel like ive accomplished something and can reward myself with another b0ng rip.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
You are right…the cost isn’t that much different…(My wife’s car is ridiculous though…fuck synthetic oil.)…but they try to nail you on bullshit.
I had a guy once show me the oil drain plug and tell me my transmission fluid needed to be replaced.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Who are the NBA’s 50 most jacked up cars?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:24 PM
If a dude needs to know how to use jumper cables, you probably could have convinced him that you attach them color coordinated on the battery and than you attach the other set to the testicles, because that’s about all they’re good for.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:24 PM
#1 has to be whatever Stephen Jackson drove to that strip club.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:24 PM
no. 1 on NBA’s 50 most jacked off in cars is eddie griffin’s.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 PM
And I think I know the basic process of changing the oil, but whats the point if it takes me twice as long and doesnt really cost that much less than Jiffy Lube to do it yourself? CJ
I’m a big fan of the $15.99 7:00 am special at Jiffy Lube. Sometimes if they aren’t busy, some grease monkey will be standing outside with a deal. Sitting around and reading SI for 15 minutes beats the hell out of getting underneath my truck.
Was her rim totally fucked KC?
I couldn’t really tell. Didn’t look too close. The tire was still on it and I just wanted to get the deal done. I assume it is fucked. I’ll let the guy at the tire place tell her that after work. I’m going to go ask her exactly how far she drove on it after it blew.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 PM
no. 1 on NBA’s 50 most jacked off in cars is eddie griffin’s.
that little episode will never not be funny.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 PM
no. 1 on NBA’s 50 most jacked off in cars is eddie griffin’s.
Yep, that’s a home run right there.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 PM
The Twix was melted! It looks like a couple of terrier turds in my Twix casing. I still ate them of course but I want at least a box of 60 brand new Twix for my emotional stress.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 PM
/Fidrych’d
March 1st, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Heh.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Does Hines Ward work there and give you a happy ending?
/topical
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 PM
I once took a friend to the auto parts store to help him with an at-home oil change. I told him to go grab some 5W-30…he came back with 1 quart.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 PM
You are right…the cost isn’t that much different…(My wife’s car is ridiculous though…fuck synthetic oil.)…but they try to nail you on bullshit.
my recommendation to everybody would be to find an actual mechanic you like, and let him do all your work, including oil changes, even if he charges you 30 bucks for an oil change. That way, later, when you car is actually broken or needing work, he already knows your name when you call him and tell him what’s up.
But yeah, if you just go from random 9.99er, to 9.99er, they’re going to have to hustle you to make any money.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Most insurance companies are now adding roadside assistance for free.
And if yours isn’t, All State has Roadside assistance with free signup and you just have to pay for when you use it.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:30 PM
e.) a melted twix that stuck to the fucking wrapper and I’m currently writing a letter to the Mars company on my employer’s letterhead
really is amazing what they give you when you complain. you’ll get a box at least
/melted
March 1st, 2012 at 3:31 PM
This is true. No matter what you write, good or bad, the company will usually send you a free sample and/or a coupon.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Was her rim totally fucked KC?
sure, after he changed it
/duckworth’d by now
March 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Much agreed. Conference champions is best.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
So the argument here is that using conference championship is a better way to pick 4 teams for a playoff than the BCS rankings.
You realize that a team can win its conference simply by having the good fortune of being the last man standing among a number of arbitrarily selected group of teams who all happened to fall on hard times in the same year.
Also a word on head-to-head match-ups. Because team A defeats team B in in one game doesn’t necessarily mean team A is better than team B. If that was the case there would be no need for a multi-game series and if we still had them for TV purposes every series would be a sweep. Why is it that when it comes to football this is conveniently forgotten.
Clearly in football we can’t have multi-game series so the influence of the BCS is necessary to smooth out effects of luck which has a disproportionate influence in football.
I hope that sometime in my life time the influence of luck will be taken into account when teams and coaches are judged. Instead morons look at the final score and carefully reverse engineer a narrative around it to accommodate the fact that the winning team and coach were better.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:36 PM
But yeah, if you just go from random 9.99er, to 9.99er, they’re going to have to hustle you to make any money.
“Your windshield wipers need replaced.” “How much?” “$35.” “No thanks.”
And if yours isn’t, All State has Roadside assistance with free signup and you just have to pay for when you use it.
See, I just thought this was standard for insurance companies (I have State Farm.) I guess the Geicos and Progressives of the world don’t offer it.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:37 PM
3 Musketeers >>>>>> any candy bar
March 1st, 2012 at 3:40 PM
This is true. No matter what you write, good or bad, the company will usually send you a free sample and/or a coupon.
tried it with some autralian rum a long time ago. stubbs. they cpuldn;t send samples by mail but i got a tshirt
March 1st, 2012 at 3:41 PM
WTF?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Oh! A couple months ago one of my wipers just FLIES OFF during a bad rain storm. I pulled over, put the passenger side wiper on the drivers side so I could have a circle to see through, then drove over to Target and got me a new one and put it on myself. See, so I’m actually a very capable female!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
3 Musketeers >>>>>> any candy bar
There is no way this is true
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
please. reese’s and snickers are clearly the barons of this candy fiefdom.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
3 Musketeers >>>>>> any candy bar
Oh my no. It’s a solid candy bar, but not the best.
My personal favorite is Nutrageous, but I would never try to say it is empirically the best.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Such a sad existence you must live. There are no absolute right answers, but this is clearly wrong.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Disgusting. This guy is apparently on the Mounds and Almond joy team as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
3 Musketeers >>>>>> any candy bar
so untrue.
for chocolate candy bars, it’s either Reese’s or KitKat. But it’s certainly not a bar of goo. That’s an old man candy bar. Take out your teeth, eat your bar of chocolate goo, put back in your teeth. That way, you save on Polident.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
It’s pure chocolate and none of the other shit like peanuts, caramel, and peanut butter to ruin a perfectly good chocolate bar. Don’t even get me started with the coconut.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
I think I’d rather have a 6-team playoff instead of a 4- or 8-team format. Give the top 2 teams a bye and go from there.
This is the model I favor. I am not in favor of only conference winners though. I also don’t think that has a chance of happening with support from the power conferences. The Big East, Mountain West should love it though.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:46 PM
my favorite…peanut m&m’s. and 100 grand is def underrated.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Almond Joys are heavenly, you shut your whore mouth!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Most underrated candy bar? Zagnut
March 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
If only there were a way to resolve this.
Some kind of bracket system, where candies can be pitted against one another, and the peoples can vote on that which they prefer, allowing the winner to move on and face the other winners, until only one is left as true champion.
But alas…
March 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
My personal favorite is Nutrageous,
those are pretty good, but kinda busy.
Almond Joy is pretty kickass though. Mounds are very dangerous, because you don’t know when you’re about to be sick.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Hyperbole aside, I am going to kill your family and make you watch.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
3 musketeers isn’t pure chocolate…hershey’s is pure chocolate. 3 musketeers is chocolate with some of the chocolate taken out.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Most underrated candy bar? Zagnut
that’s the one with the toasted coconut on the outside?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Twix are money
March 1st, 2012 at 3:49 PM
A candy bar has to have some crunch to it. Kit Kat, Twix, Butterfinger, etc. Even Nestle Crunch is a solid choice.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Just chocolate is boring. Unless its dark chocolate.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
I’m a big Reese’s Fast Break fan.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
The Fast Break bar doesn’t get enough credit.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
those are pretty good, but kinda busy.
Yeah, I can’t eat them all the time. But when I’m on a roadtrip and stopping for a bottle of water and a snack while I get gas, it’s my go to.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
that’s the one with the toasted coconut on the outside?
You’re god damn right it is
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
the worst candy bar to get stuck with, not for flavor, just for the guaranteed mess, is a Caramello. It looks totally shareable, but you just get caramel goo all over your whole life.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Take a 3 Muskateers, add caramel and you get a Milky Way, add peanuts and you get a Snickers.
M&M Mars is the mex!can food of the candy industry.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
If it has coconut, it’s out of the discussion
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Sounds like somebody is about to get fustigated.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I’m a big Reese’s Fast Break fan
is it marshmallow in there? That one gives me the heebie jeebies.
Is there really such a thing as mint chocolate M and M’s now?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Fatties.
/Tim Ryan
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Or a Rollo. Tastes delicious, but be prepared to have your jaw glued shut for the next 2 hours.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
My personal ranking:
1. Nutrageous
2. Kit Kat
3. Reese’s
4. Milky Way
5. 3 Musketeers
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Also a word on head-to-head match-ups. Because team A defeats team B in in one game doesn’t necessarily mean team A is better than team B.
god dammit (mostly mad because i am sworn to protect my belief and that takes a lot of typing)
i get that anything can happen in one game, that weird bounces and injuries happen, but they can happen for both sides. that is the game, those strange bounces and injuries. so, if each team has the same number of chances to win a title game, and one team wins that game, they are the champion, in no small part because they performed well at the most important time to perform well. (clutch)
if one 14-1 team loses to a 10-5 team because of an injury or a weird bounce, and folks get riled up because it’s a shame that the ‘clearly’ better team lost because of weird occurences, why was the ‘clearly’ better team not so far ahead the strange occurrence had little effect on the outcome?
i will never move from the belief that if you win in a do or die situation you are the better team, regardless of record. only exceptions are star injuries, especially QB, SP, PG
when mcCoy got hurt against bama in 11, 10, 09? who thought that was why texas lost? besides texas fans?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Coconut haters baffle me. My husband is one of them. It’s like hating puppies.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
yea…they’re gross too.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
If it has coconut, it’s out of the discussion
I can’t agree with this, Zagnuts are too good. Another that flies by the radar? Skor.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Oh hell nah son. It’s a nugget base with a full layer of peanut butter. It’s the most peanut butter heavy of the candy bars.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:53 PM
False.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Fustigation aside, Moe.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:53 PM
I also have just realized I have never eaten a full sized Mr. Goodbar or Krackel — though I tend to flock to them when they are mini bars.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Actually. I’d put Mr. Goodbar ahead of 3 Musketeers. I think I’d also put a regular Hershey’s Bar ahead of the 3 Musketeers the more I think about it.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Coconut M&Ms are the worst. Granted the PB&J ones are horrid too.
Worst thing ever though is the cherry Hershey kisses.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Snickers is not nougat, caramel, and peanuts, coated in chocolate?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Another that flies by the radar? Skor.
like eating a chocolate covered piece of slate. Next you’ll try to say a Heath bar is good.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Other than at the store at Hershey Park, I have never seen a full one.
I once got in a Rolo market testing group at the mall. It was awesome.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Whatchamacallits are pretty damn good too
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
You know what’s grown on me since I was a kid? Butterfinger. Messy to eat though.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Correct…you missed the crucial nougat addition in your formula. Crucial.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Snickers is not nougat, caramel, and peanuts, coated in chocolate?
the inside of a 3 musketeers is whipped chocolate goo, not nougat.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
cadbury’s and almonds baby. heath bar close behind. from the UK, flake and the one with the weird pocked hard stuff inside.
next time you have a heath bar, bite the toffee filling sidewise, so not regularly, but line it up so you cut it with your teeth through the skinny side. totally new flavor. sounds crazy but it’s true
/got a bottle of Old Pogue for our anniversary last weekend, btw
March 1st, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Coconut M&Ms are the worst. Granted the PB&J ones are horrid too.
Cherry M&Ms might be the worst thing I’ve ever tasted. They make a PB&J M&M? That’s terrifying
March 1st, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Skor and Heath are both underrated.
Symphony though, that’s the money bar.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:56 PM
The Milky Way was always my choice as a child, so it’s got sentimental value for me
March 1st, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Worst candy bar? Chunky
March 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Jarring.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Also a fan of Cadbury Creme Eggs. I could eat 10 of those in a day (and probably have at one point in my life).
March 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
You know what’s grown on me since I was a kid? Butterfinger. Messy to eat though.
My dad liked those, so we always had those and Baby Ruth in the house. And really expensive cookies. All the time, in the house. We didnt’ always pay our bills, but we always had good bought cookies.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
the inside of a 3 musketeers is whipped chocolate goo, not nougat.
I cannot take your trashing of Skor bars seriously b\c of this comment
March 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
The caramel eggs are so much better.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Skor is properly rated as shit.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Symphony though, that’s the money bar.
I remember the first time I had a Symphony as a kid. I felt so high class.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
This is where I point out that Cadbury McFlurries are a thing outside of America. NO CLUE WHY THEY DONT EXIST HERE. Would shit on every fast food dessert.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I cannot take your trashing of Skor bars seriously b\c of this comment
why not? Don’t try and tell me that nougat is whipped chocolate goo.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
The caramel eggs are so much better.
I don’t compare them to each other. They are both welcome to the tasting party in my mouth.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
criminally under-rated.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
This is where I point out that Cadbury McFlurries are a thing outside of America
What, pray tell, are they?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
I was strictly talking candy bars. I love the Lindor Truffles, and those Belgian ‘shell’ chocolates. Now this is great around Christmas!
March 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
The candy is made of a fluffy whipped chocolate filling covered with milk chocolate. The fluffy whipped chocolate center is first formed into very large slabs, which are cut to size, and after the centers are formed they are coated with milk chocolate through a process called “enrobing” wherein the centers pass through a continuous (?) the same time, a rotating chocolate covered wheel beneath the mesh belt coats the base of the bar. The bar is then cooled and prepared for wrapping. The candy is made in Chicago, Illinois, Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania and Newmarket, Ontario.
Damnit!
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Hershey Park,
good times there
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Link
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
you two knuckleheads can look it up if you want, or you can buy one of each candy bar and take a look.
The inside of a 3 musketeers is whipped chocolate.
Inside of a snickers, there is nougat. I looked it up, it is specifically peanut nougat.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:02 PM
fucking disgusting, straight to the trash.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:02 PM
i like heath bars, but only in blizzards.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Like I said, jarring.
Although, to be honest, I don’t like Snickers, so I rarely have them.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:04 PM
I can’t believe grown men need to be told this…looks like we need to add a “Basics To Life 101″ class at the annex.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:04 PM
i like heath bars, but only in blizzards.
Heaven on earth is NERDS blizzards.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Link
Oh my….
March 1st, 2012 at 4:05 PM
With whole chapters devoted to candy bar composition? We’re going to need heavy duty chairs.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Although, to be honest, I don’t like Snickers, so I rarely have them.
get out of America, you monster
March 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
We go from FebruANY to Jalapeno Tuna? Fuck you Subway.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Cherry M&Ms might be the worst thing I’ve ever tasted.
fucking disgusting, straight to the trash.
same factory as berry beers. truth
March 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I don’t feel like enough of you are talking about this tragic McFlurry situation.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I always thought a 5th Avenue completely dominated a Butterfinger.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I don’t feel like enough of you are talking about this tragic McFlurry situation.
Sorry, I had to go change my pants after seeing that picture.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
who’s with me on Big Hunks? white nougat with peanuts about a foot long
heady notes of fresh earth, butter and burnt fucking toast
with a mild finish
March 1st, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Yeah, I get that alot. It’s just alright, nothing special.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:10 PM
No more college football. All games shall now be decided by NCAA Football video game simulations.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:10 PM
mouth watering
March 1st, 2012 at 4:11 PM
same factory as berry beers. truth
Sam Adams had a limited release of a Chocolate Cherry Porter.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Big Hunks? That’s almost as good as Kum & Go — which I needed a tee from that place 5 minutes ago
March 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
and….? i might actually try that, because chocolate porters aren’t bad. still no place for fruit in beer except banana
March 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
We go from FebruANY to Jalapeno Tuna? Fuck you Subway
I never go to subway, but if I did, I would get a tuna sub.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:14 PM
grizz they are good. bit o honey qualifies in the non-chocolate category
i got busted for shoplifting a bit o honey when i was 5
March 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
CADBURY EGG MCFLURRY!?!?!??!?! i wanna stick my dick in it.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:24 PM
They’re great.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Subway owes me 82 dollars for the three days I worked there in ’93. You’re a cocksucker, Jared.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Dont sleep on the Whatchamacallit