March Madness: Teams That Are In Already, and Teams That Are Really on the Bubble
A lot of chatter over the weekend about who is on the bubble, including several teams that I think are really not on the bubble at all. Of course, my definition of the “bubble” may be different. I think there is an area between lock and bubble, where a team may not be guaranteed a spot yet, but that doesn’t mean they are on the bubble. The bubble, to me, means that any one result can swing your outlook.
So, I went through each potential tournament team’s wins and losses to sort out who is already in, who is almost in, and who is truly on the bubble, and then who is chasing those bubble teams to get in consideration. If I put a team in, it means I think that if they lose every game remaining, they will still get selected, even if the “bubble” shifts slightly with conference tournament results. Their seeding may be affected, but they are in. It depends just as much on remaining schedule and opportunities as anything.
I’ve got St. Mary’s, for example, in already, because they can only take one more loss. Kansas State, meanwhile, is not quite in, just because they have potential for two bad losses this week, then the tournament. The team that just beat them, though, Iowa State, is IN. They play Missouri, Baylor, and then a quality team in either the 3-6 or 4-5 matchup in the tournament. Opportunities to adjust seeding, but their profile, with 11 conference wins in one of the toughest conferences in the country, and wins over Kansas, Kansas State (2x) and Texas, is better than the true bubble teams could muster.
TEAMS THAT ARE IN (25 Teams from 10 Conferences)
Atlantic Coast: Duke, North Carolina, Florida State
Big XII: Kansas, Missouri, Baylor, Iowa State
Big East: Syracuse, Marquette, Georgetown, Louisville
Big Ten: Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin
SEC: Kentucky, Florida
Missouri Valley: Wichita State, Creighton
Mountain West: UNLV
Ohio Valley: Murray State
Atlantic 10: Temple
West Coast: Gonzaga, St. Mary’s
NOT IN YET, BUT ALMOST THERE (13 more teams, from 10 conferences)
This group isn’t really on the bubble right now. They would have to have multiple bad results, and probably not win any remaining games, just to be in the discussion for missing out on Selection Sunday. Even then, unless they lost every remaining game, and the bubble shrank with conference tournament upsets, most would still be in. However, applying the “what if they lost every remaining game” standard, I could not quite put them in yet.
Harvard is the interesting one here, since the Ivy League doesn’t have a conference tournament. If they win the last two regular season games, then I think they are in, even if Pennsylvania wins out and ties them for the title. If it goes to a playoff again this year with Penn and Harvard at 12-2, Harvard is getting an at-large. I put them here, though, because it will take multiple losses in the last two (or three, with a playoff with Penn) to knock Harvard out. Even then, they are squarely on the Last Four In, Last Four Out discussion.
Atlantic Coast: Virginia
Big XII: Kansas State
Big East: Notre Dame
Big Ten: Purdue
SEC: Vanderbilt, Alabama
Pac-12: California
Atlantic 10: St. Louis
Mountain West: New Mexico, San Diego State
Conference USA: Memphis, Southern Miss
Ivy: Harvard
RIGHT ON THE BUBBLE (20 Teams, 13 Conferences)
If you’ve done the math, we have 38 teams from 13 conferences above. That’s 25 at-larges, leaving 12 more at-larges. That is why when people start tossing around teams on the bubble, they need to actually go through and see where it is floating. As many as 12 of these teams are getting in as at-larges (and several more can claim the automatic bids), and all have flaws. Now, we know that there will be upsets, and some of those projected teams that are in or virtually in will drop to at-larges. The biggest candidates are Murray State in the OVC, California adding a couple more wins but losing the Pac-12 tournament, or someone outside the bubble pulling an upset in the Atlantic-10, Mountain West, or Conference USA. Realistically, we are probably looking at 9-10 spots here.
Some of the teams on this list are “mid-majors”, and if I put them on this list, it means I think there are scenarios where they can get an at-large even if they don’t win their conference tournament. I know that Drexel and VCU have a lower RPI (low 70′s for both), but if they reach the final and lose, it will be tough to keep them out with this soft bubble. Early loss is a different story. Middle Tennessee St., Iona, Long Beach State, and Oral Roberts will be in the mix if they lose to the right teams in the conference finals, but bad losses move them out. If I did not put a mid-major on this list (Belmont, Davidson, Akron, for example) it means that I think they must win the automatic bid.
In the end, about half these teams will be in the tournament, and for each, any result could be the difference. Add multiple good results against tournament type teams in the last week, or the conference tourney, and get in. Take a bad loss, and you are in trouble. Beat the teams you should, but lose to tournament teams, and sweat out Selection Sunday.
Atlantic Coast: Miami
Big XII: Texas
Big East: Seton Hall, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida
Big Ten: Northwestern
SEC: Mississippi State
Pac-12: Washington, Arizona, Oregon
Atlantic 10: Xavier, St. Joseph’s
Colonial Athletic: Drexel, VCU
West Coast: BYU
Sun Belt: Middle Tennessee State
Summit: Oral Roberts
Big West: Long Beach State
MAAC: Iona
TEAMS THAT NEED LOTS OF RESULTS
These teams are on the wrong side of the bubble now. They don’t just need one result, they probably need multiple good wins to get in the discussion. However, if I put them on the list, it’s because I think that they can get an at-large bid with the right set of remaining results, short of winning the conference tournament. For example, the SEC has several teams on here. Win in the final week, then pull a massive upset of Kentucky in the tournament, and yes, you get in the discussion and are probably in. Alternatively, beat Florida and Alabama or Vanderbilt, and you are in the discussion even if you do not beat Kentucky in the final.
Atlantic Coast: NC State
Big East: West Virginia
Big Ten: Illinois, Minnesota
SEC: Tennessee, LSU, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Pac-12: Colorado
Atlantic 10: St. Bonaventure, Dayton, UMASS, LaSalle
Mountain West: Colorado State
Conference USA: Marshall, Central Florida
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February 27th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Trade Frenzy Update : Wings trade Commodore for a conditional 7th round pick. Can you feel the excitement!?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I cannot wait for Seth Greenberg on Selection Sunday.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Surprised Tampa didn’t give up a first rounder. Worst GM in the league.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
UVA needs to get its shit together. Could have locked up a March bid by winning on Saturday but blew the upset against UNC.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Crazy blonde lady with the moving arms in the credit score ad on the right is really freaking me out.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Ken Holland.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
How is anyone not using Chrome?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Big win for the Canes last night over F$U, and they did it without their starting big man. Agree they are not in yet. If they win their last two regular season games I think they are a lock. For them though, even the easiest tasks seem difficult.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Crazy blonde lady with the moving arms in the credit score ad on the right is really freaking me out.
I need to clear out my cookies – I’m getting work-related ads popping up. Geesh – I need to quit using Chrome – those mf’ers are all in my shit.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
black hole created by #7 and #9!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
How is anyone not using Chrome?
I AM using chrome. She is immune.
Skynet is self aware.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
The Kostitsyn brothers are gonna run wild in Nashville.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Just looked to see who their last two games were.
Hand to God I forgot Boston College was in the conference anymore.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Not using AdBlock?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
At work.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I think, based solely on the inflated RPI, that you are selling Colorado State’s chances a little short. Additionally, I think you need to include TCU in the “Teams That Need A Lot of Results” category. If they close out with 2 wins the regular season, I think they enter the discussion legitimately, with the MWC tourney to enhance the resume further.
Otherwise, I am pretty much in lockstep with you on how you see things shaking out.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Wings moving Stuart to NYR for picks. What the fuck.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
SK is playing great, now that they moved him to the top line with Fisher. The problem is that it’s really a second line and not a first line. It’s so frustrating to get those 2-week stretches where they get outshot by 10/game.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Gilbert for Schultz? Fuck you Oilers, FUCK YOU.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
So if the Wings make that move they’ve just cleared around 4.5 in cap space? I am terrified.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Where’s Pitt on this list? I thought Jamie Dixon was one of the greatest coaches EVAR and none of his teams choke?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
NO FUCKING WAY. Unless Gaborik and MDZ are coming back.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
I’d be happy if West Virginia or Arkansas can make the tourney. Not greedy, just need one.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Who ever said that?
/also, I put the video of my dog on twitter, just for you
February 27th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Just a rumor.
But Stuart and Commodore open 5.1 million in cap space almost (I think, Cap Geek is down, nice server).
YOU’RE GETTING RYAN MALONE HAHAHAHAHA
February 27th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
The Wings have enough cap space to add like 20 million in salary.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Can’t imagine that Cal is more “in” than UW right now, given their loss to Colorado, and now UW controls their own destiny in winning the Pac-12.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Now people are arguing over whether it’s true, everyone has their sources.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
It’s not true. Makes zero sense.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
I’m fixin’ to burn down the Oilers offices. Fuck idiots run this franchise.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
The AK move is going to convince 6 and 20 to stay here, so move along….
Anyone have an idea if the Preds traded for Nash, they could afford both guys? I imagine not, with the Rinne extension.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
I hope Nash doesn’t get dealt. Let that chicken shit stay in hockey irrelevancy.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Suter will be a fine replacement for Stuart.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Has Ray Whitney been in play on each deadline day the last five years or is it just me?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I think, based solely on the inflated RPI, that you are selling Colorado State’s chances a little short. Additionally, I think you need to include TCU in the “Teams That Need A Lot of Results” category. If they close out with 2 wins the regular season, I think they enter the discussion legitimately, with the MWC tourney to enhance the resume further.
If Colorado State wins two, then beats say TCU or Wyoming, then loses to New Mexico, then yes, very much on the bubble. But need win over UNLV just to get there, and then not lose the other two.
TCU’s got four really bad losses, way more than most bubble teams. USC by over 20, Nebraska at home, Norfolk State by 13. I think that’s going to be hard to overcome in an at large discussion. They could get in though by beating Wyoming, San Diego State, Colorado State in the tourney, then New Mexico or UNLV in the semis. Chances of that have to be less than 2% but I could have included them, you’re right. That’s the only way given the bad losses
February 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Whitney was awful in his stint with the Wings. Fuck that guy.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Link please!
February 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Cal rankings on kenpom, Sagarin, RPI: 24, 25, 36
Washington rankings on same: 68, 59, 51
….seems pretty clear
February 27th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Backstrom to the long term IR, has Crosby syndrome.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
I remember when the Oilers were a proud franchise. My how things have changed.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Link please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMqb4t4Rmc&feature=youtu.be
Multiply it x10 was the first day she tried them out. She’s a bit daft, for lack of a better word.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I’m only 28. So I don’t
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Can’t imagine that Cal is more “in” than UW right now, given their loss to Colorado, and now UW controls their own destiny in winning the Pac-12.
They are. Cal is 31 in RPI, Washington 52, Cal beat them head to head, in Washington in only meeting. Cal has 22 wins to Washington’s 19. Committee doesn’t say, “did you win one more game in conference” they look at the games including non-conf.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I thought Jamie Dixon was one of the greatest coaches EVAR and none of his teams choke?
They are frauds this year.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Trade Semin to the Wings now. Fucking do it.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
A bust in my view
February 27th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
That’s awesome.
Anyone else getting the Billy Wagner treatment from TBL today? Shit is super slow on my end.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
I’ll defer to you, because I don’t follow college basketball much anymore, but holy cow both teams are a cluster fire. Cal lost by 40 to Missouri, and beat GW/UGA. Washington at least played Marquette and Duke close.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
I remember when the Oilers were a proud franchise. My how things have changed.
Lowe: “We’re weak on defence”
Tambo: “Here’s an idea, just go with me for a second here, how about we trade our best defenceman for a lesser one. No one will see it coming.”
Lowe: “Where do I sign”
Chuck Fletcher: “Excellent”
February 27th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
They are frauds this year.
A bust in my view
A bunch of clowns.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Anyone else getting the Billy Wagner treatment from TBL today? Shit is super slow on my end.
This morning a couple times.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Mostly because they were ahead of Missouri in the preseason poll, and look how great Missouri has been?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Will say this re: Washington. As bad as the Pac-12 is, I don’t think the committee is leaving the regular season champ out under any circumstances.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Not saying Cal isn’t in, I’m saying that Washington is too when they win the Pac-12 outright.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Hey GZ, who were you telling me to watch for earlier this year, playing in Europe?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Trade Semin to the Wings now. Fucking do it.
i have the feeling he’s just going to continue requesting 1 year contracts with the Caps until Ovi’s career is over. Or he’ll go back to Russia.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Backstrom to the long term IR, has Crosby syndrome.
coming soon to a Toews near me
February 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Hey GZ, who were you telling me to watch for earlier this year, playing in Europe?
Mattias Ekholm. Having a really good year with Brynas IF Gavle, he’s NHL ready.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Sure, but if they lose to UCLA and don’t reach the tourney finals they probably do not make it.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Thought so. Our rookie blueliners have been a bit up and down this year (though Ellis hasn’t played much, to be fair). Josi scares me a lot if he’s getting significant run in the playoffs. Seems mistake-prone, and I wonder if they’d have been better off with Franson, since they weren’t using the cap space anyway. How is he doing in Toronto?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Can’t see any way the committee leaves a 14-4 Pac-12 regular season champion out.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
With weak gear.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
They pretty much deserve to be teabagged.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
I wonder if they’d have been better off with Franson, since they weren’t using the cap space anyway. How is he doing in Toronto?
Franson is a soft minutes guy, prone to D zone errors. With the organizational depth at that position I’d make that trade again if I was Poile. The key was shedding Lombardi’s non-insurable contract.
They’ll be fine rolling into the playoffs as is, still don’t think they have enough to topple Det, Van, Stl or SJ.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
They pretty much deserve to be teabagged.
cmon push it! two more!
February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
See that is what I didn’t know, how good he was. I do worry about Josi, there have been mistakes all around the D at times this year.
The Fisher line is playing up finally, it’s just not a real top line. I also am starting to warm to Tootoo… it seems like he can actually skate and make a play sometimes if he gets his mind to it. It’s gonna take a good run by the 3rd line to upset Detroit, for sure. I think they could actually beat those other teams in the right series, except maybe St. Louis.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
The teabagging was two more.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
What is this, some kind of bust?