Jeremy Lin Does it Again: Game-Winning 3-Pointer vs. Toronto with Less Than One Second Left

All, NBA, Video Jason McIntyre February 14th. 2012, 9:53pm

Jeremy Lin has done it again. Lin hit the game-winning three-pointer with less than a second left and New York stunned Toronto on the road, 90-87. The Knicks trailed by 11 in the second half, but stormed back behind the defense of rookie Iman Shumpert and the 4th quarter scoring of Lin (12 of his 27 came in the last quarter).

With under two minutes left, Shumpert made a huge steal of Jose Calderon (25 points), and then at the other end Lin converted a basket plus the foul to tie the game. Then, Lin hit the game-winning dagger from the top of the key. Lin finished with eight turnovers, but had 11 assists.

That’s six wins in a row for the Knicks, who are unbelievably just one game under .500. They host the Kings Wednesday in the Garden.

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163 Responses to “Jeremy Lin Does it Again: Game-Winning 3-Pointer vs. Toronto with Less Than One Second Left”

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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:56 PM
Holy shit! The Knicks beat the Raptors!!!???!!!???
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heellacious Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:57 PM
Repost from the earlier post-
Interesting how the last shot completely cleared out for just him. Essentially a rookie. Certainly good theater– hope it lasts for his sake (and not a pun for a phonetic “sahk-eh” as he is not Japanese:) ) .
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:58 PM
Jason, working overtime again. TBLAD may make a comeback yet.
Happy for Lin hitting the shot, but how ’bout the defender maybe challenging him a bit more?
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KC Resident Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:59 PM
Justified is about to start on FX.
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:59 PM
He had 8 turnovers. Was shooting pretty inefficiently but he had two HUGE shots in the 4th quarter to swing the game. First the and-1, and then the game winner. Balls on that kid.
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mrejr8234 comes for the sports posts but stays to kill the local inhabitants Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:00 PM
March 12th. The fairy tale ends. Here lies Jeremy Lin, murdered by Derrick Rose AKA The MVP
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Jason McIntyre Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:01 PM
Karma – don’t forget CLUTCH. 12 points in the 4th.
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heellacious Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:02 PM
March 12th. The fairy tale ends. Here lies Jeremy Lin, murdered by Derrick Rose AKA The MVP
Can’t argue with you at all but you gotta like the temporary buzz for D-league player vs. #1 overall pick.
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:02 PM
@mrejr – Unless Rose’s back is still fucked up.
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mrejr8234 comes for the sports posts but stays to kill the local inhabitants Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:04 PM
– Unless Rose’s back is still fucked up.
YOU HUSH YOUR FACE
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Hey, let’s play a game – “Guess What ‘Melo’s Thinking?”
My guess – “I’ll show ‘em I can help a team win, too. Just watch me when I come back.”
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Amare is good with Lin. I still think Lin shoots too much.
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shepseskaf Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Whitlock and Money May should have shut the hell up about Lin. I’m a person of the African persuasion, and I love this kid’s act.
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mrejr8234 comes for the sports posts but stays to kill the local inhabitants Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Can’t argue with you at all but you gotta like the temporary buzz for D-league player vs. #1 overall pick.
I like Lin but GSG started bumping his gums on facebook and now Lin must die.
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:05 PM
I highly doubt Melo would have let Lin shoot that.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:06 PM
12 POINTS IN THE 4TH?!?!?! HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!
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heellacious Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:06 PM
I like Lin but GSG started bumping his gums on facebook and now Lin must die.
I have absolutely no horse in this race so I will just laugh at the strong emotions and enjoy the underdog story while it lasts.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:08 PM
Karma – don’t forget CLUTCH. 12 points in the 4th.
And who the hell is the other option in the 4th?
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VladimirCrouton Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Wings just won their 21st straight game at home. New NHL record.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:12 PM
I’m sorry. I’m still reeling from this epic comeback win against the Raptors. I’ll remember every one of the 12 points Lin scored in the 4th quarter for the rest of my life. What a legend. Just……legendary.
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Jason McIntyre Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Hey, let’s play a game – “Guess What ‘Melo’s Thinking?”
My guess – “I’ll show ‘em I can help a team win, too. Just watch me when I come back.”
Agree totally. Melo does not want to come back to a team that’s won 8 in a row. You just know they’ll lose the first with him back and then everyone’s going to point at him as the reason.
I’m shocked at the rally. Punchless first half for the Knicks; great rally.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:15 PM
Wings just won their 21st straight game at home. New NHL record.
Glad to see I wasn’t the only one not watching Lin. Incredible record*.
* = hockey fans appreciate it.
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:17 PM
how ’bout the defender maybe challenging him a bit more?
Jose Calderon is a “defender”, now?
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:20 PM
“I’ll show ‘em I can help a team win, too. Just watch me when I come back.”
Melo’s been to the playoffs all 8 years of his career. There’s like 1 other guy in NBA history that’s done that.
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:20 PM
There are a LOT of Asians in Toronto, who are really into basketball. Everyone’s going to be wearing Lin jerseys during pickup games.
@Ballz- What’s with the Haterade?
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Punchless first half for the Knicks; great rally.
That’s what pulls me in. They play with a different kind of energy when Lin is on the floor.
The old man in me says this team reminds me of the ’75 Warriors with Rick Barry. Lots of times that season, things looked bleak until somebody made a play & started a rally.
Not saying the Knicks will win the title, but it’s a night-and-day difference between the team at the start of the season and now.
Aaaaand, OBTW – what do you do now with Baron Davis?
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Riggs Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Jeremy Lin loves him some Lacrae!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHqw-h2Rus
… and listens to Hillsong to “calm him down” before the game.
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karma Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Melo’s been to the playoffs all 8 years of his career. There’s like 1 other guy in NBA history that’s done that.
Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 4 guys (Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett). Melo has been gotten out of the first round only once.
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captain_spalding Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:23 PM
March 12th. The fairy tale ends. Here lies Jeremy Lin, murdered by Derrick Rose AKA The MVP
Better cool down this Lin hype, Drose feeds off it, ask all the other “top” PG’s in the league that he’s bitch slapped down.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:23 PM
tonight i saw a montage of lin, where else, espn, and swore i saw him do the ‘hands together and bow’ thing after a basket. if he’s been pulling that, let the stereotypes and puns fly
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Chief Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:24 PM
@Ballz- What’s with the Haterade?
Needs some sort of balance.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:24 PM
You know what, Curtis, I’ve kinda followed ‘Melo’s career from a distance (he lost his first college game – to the Memphis Tigers – but we know how his college career ended).
He is one of the best in the league. A supremely gifted scorer. But, I don’t think he galvanizes his team. He gets his points, but was there this kind of energy around the Knicks at the start of the year/when ‘Melo was healthy?
Gerard and others have noted the effect on the Nuggets when ‘Melo left, not to mention the effect on the Denver fanbase. As good a player as ‘Melo is, not many Nugget fans miss him.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:24 PM
karm, i am pretty sure ballz is making fun of TBL, not Lin
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:26 PM
the ’75 Warriors
srord is al attles!!
/i saw the warriors at the cow palace when i was 6 or 7
//globetrotters too, the best edition
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:26 PM
Jose Calderon is a “defender”, now?
Good call. What was I thinking?
/giggles
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:28 PM
srord is al attles!!
I wish. Underrated player and coach. I was a big fan.
Four-oh against the Bullets. Big comebacks in all four games. You talk about lightning in a bottle…
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:30 PM
@Ballz- What’s with the Haterade?
I don’t hate the fellow. He’s been great. But knick fans, especially chesty ones, are obviously insufferable. They have the reputation for being knowledgeable, and NYC is supposed to be the ‘Mecca of basketball’ and that’s all just a steaming pile of homeless man diarrhea. Knick fan’s are for the most part morons. And I relish pointing that out.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:31 PM
so i was right
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:32 PM
That’s six wins in a row for the Knicks, who are unbelievably just one game under .500.
Oh. My. God. 6 wins in a row and still just 1 game under .500. I have an erection.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:40 PM
If you have an erection that lasts 6 wins or more, please see your sports blog
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Chief Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:42 PM
Oh. My. God. 6 wins in a row and still just 1 game under .500.
Hey now, that’s an 8th seed in the East.
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spencer096 Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:46 PM
i mean, in all honesty, this is pretty fucking cool.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Hey now, that’s an 8th seed in the East.
Can you imagine the hype explosion if the Knicks get into the playoffs? Better wear a raincoat, and save the watches. It’s gonna pile high.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:53 PM
i mean, in all honesty, this is pretty fucking cool.
Yea, but, you think golf is pretty fucking cool.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:54 PM
what is the collective record of the opponents in this win streak? now that spence has stopped by i feel the need to ask something i can look up
/but i’m fucking working!
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Can you imagine the hype explosion if the Knicks get into the playoffs? Better wear a raincoat, and save the watches. It’s gonna pile high.
They where in the playoffs last year. And nothing happened.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 10:55 PM
what is the collective record of the opponents in this win streak? now that spence has stopped by i feel the need to ask something i can look up
Well, I’m pretty sure the Lakers where the best team they beat. And I can say with full confidence we suck ass. And I’m a Laker fan. Hence the difference between Laker and knick fans.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:01 PM
They where in the playoffs last year. And nothing happened.
Yeah. Different season, though. Different roster, too. Last year, no Chandler. No Shumpert. Heck, no Steve Novak, for that matter.
/trying to ignore the elephant in the room
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:04 PM
Last year, no Chandler. No Shumpert. Heck, no Steve Novak, for that matter.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but after reading those names, I literally have goose-bumps.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:04 PM
He is one of the best in the league. A supremely gifted scorer. But, I don’t think he galvanizes his team. He gets his points, but was there this kind of energy around the Knicks at the start of the year/when ‘Melo was healthy
You know who you haven’t seen in the game since Lin has gotten his run? Tony Douglas. You know who hasn’t run the point and is kind of flourishing at his natural position? Iman Shumpert. Melo carried Syracuse squad to a National Championship, that never got within a sniff of that again even though the bulk of that squad remained together 2 or 3 years after that. He took a Denver squad that was some hot garbage for years before he got there to the Playoffs every year he was there. He sacrificed and played the post on offense and defense on the Olympics squad. He’s galvanized plenty of teams. He played with Billups and Iverson as his PG. I doubt seriously he’ll have trouble adjusting to a Hall of Famer like Jeremy Lin.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:09 PM
He took a Denver squad that was some hot garbage for years before he got there to the Playoffs every year he was there.
How long are we going to pretend that just getting to the playoffs is impressive? They let 8 teams in per conference.
He sacrificed and played the post on offense and defense on the Olympics squad
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OMG! He was only the 7th best player on the team!
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spencer096 Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:11 PM
golf rocks.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:12 PM
darrell what do you do for a salary?
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:13 PM
golf rocks.
Golf is cool. I’m having the time of my life right now, though. But I do mean what I’m saying to Darrell.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:20 PM
How long are we going to pretend that just getting to the playoffs is impressive? They let 8 teams in per conference.
getting to the playoffs is impressive when that team wasn’t getting there before your arrival.
OMG! He was only the 7th best player on the team!
Not even close to correct.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:20 PM
Benjamin, I freely acknowledge ‘Melo is one of the best players in the league. But, what was their record when he was healthy? Were we talking about the Knicks before Lin got his chance, other than the losses that accumulated?
You guys know me – my opinions are just that. I am too dang lazy to research this stuff.
I like teamwork. I get bored watching iso basketball/clearouts/1-4 offensive sets where one guy pounds the ball and four guys try not to get in the way.
Lin isn’t the second coming. I’m not saying that either. But after all the advanced stats, to me one stat stands out most. Wins. I enjoy watching teams win by playing team ball. I know it sounds weird coming from a black guy, but I know what I like.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:21 PM
darrell what do you do for a salary?
I ruin narratives.
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Hey Balls, your mom’s calling…
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:22 PM
OMG! He was only the 7th best player on the team!
Not even close to correct.
Go back and look at the roster.
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Howard, Paul, Williams are all better. And all did better ‘leading’ their teams to the playoffs than he ever did. Except CP3. But his teams were seriously bad.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:25 PM
darrell what do you do for a salary?
I ruin narratives.
do you fuck shit up?
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:26 PM
I know it sounds weird coming from a black guy, but I know what I like.
this may be the first thing i’ve read of yours that needs clarification
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:26 PM
getting to the playoffs is impressive when that team wasn’t getting there before your arrival.
Remember that great playoff run that Denver had with ‘Melo leading the way?!?! No??? Don’t worry. Neither does anyone else.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:27 PM
not deron williams, ballz. got no beef with you on your list except that one. melo > williams….at least i’d take melo over williams
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Benjamin, I freely acknowledge ‘Melo is one of the best players in the league.
I like teamwork. I get bored watching iso basketball/clearouts/1-4 offensive sets where one guy pounds the ball and four guys try not to get in the way.
Does. Not. Compute.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:29 PM
not deron williams, ballz. got no beef with you on your list except that one. melo > williams….at least i’d take melo over williams
Really? Watch the Lakers this year and you’d quickly change your tune. A ball distributing PG is FAR more useful than a pure scorer. Hell, I’d rather have DWill on my team the DRose.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:30 PM
Benjamin, I freely acknowledge ‘Melo is one of the best players in the league.
I like teamwork. I get bored watching iso basketball/clearouts/1-4 offensive sets where one guy pounds the ball and four guys try not to get in the way
Does. Not. Compute.
/sorry. Messed up the last one and I hate mistakes.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:30 PM
getting to the playoffs is impressive when that team wasn’t getting there before your arrival.
Remember that great playoff run that Denver had with ‘Melo leading the way?!?! No??? Don’t worry. Neither does anyone else.
But…but…look at how much worse Denver has been since he left!! Definitely not a playoff team without Melo!
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:32 PM
Hell, I’d rather have DWill on my team the DRose.
Now that’s just silly. Rose dishes out plenty of assists too, but he has to score considering there aren’t many legit scoring options on that team.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:32 PM
Benjamin, I freely acknowledge ‘Melo is one of the best players in the league. But, what was their record when he was healthy? Were we talking about the Knicks before Lin got his chance, other than the losses that accumulated?
Their PG was Tony Douglas. Their backup PG was Iman Shumpert. They were so bad at the point, D’Antoni had Anthony running as a point forward because Melo is a better passer than either of them. You can’t have your forward run the point AND be the primary scorer.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:33 PM
this may be the first thing i’ve read of yours that needs clarification
Sorry, vezina. I like mocking stuff like stereotypes.
From my vantage point, the stereotype appears to be “white guys all love Hoosiers-style team basketball”, while the brothas like “freestyle, hully-gully, AAU-roll-out-the-balls-and-let-em-run” basketball.
Notice that I said stereotype, and not actual reality.
When I watch any sport, I’m like all of you. I wanna know my team has at least a chance to win. One of my least favorite phrases in basketball is “despite 29 points by so-and-so, Team X lost tonight 112-89″.
Opinion: when a team plays together on both ends of the floor, it increases its chances of victory. When you have a “first option”, and that first option is having an off night, then what do you do?
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:34 PM
do you fuck shit up?
no man!! I’m your typical mid level government employee.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Now that’s just silly. Rose dishes out plenty of assists too
Define plenty. DWill makes players on his teams better. DRose, not as much.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:36 PM
You can’t have your forward run the point AND be the primary scorer.
Agreed. So, you default to your strengths.
Those roster construction issues aren’t ‘Melo’s fault. So help me understand the broader issue of why there aren’t more Steve Nash/CP3-type point guards in the league? Seems like they are a pretty important piece to any roster.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:36 PM
You can’t have your forward run the point AND be the primary scorer.
LeBron?
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:37 PM
I like teamwork. I get bored watching iso basketball/clearouts/1-4 offensive sets where one guy pounds the ball and four guys try not to get in the way.
Thats coaching.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:38 PM
Define plenty. DWill makes players on his teams better. DRose, not as much.
Enough to be the only player in the league last year to finish top 10 in scoring and assists. And to say Rose doesn’t make his teammates better shows that you are just aimlessly hating.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:41 PM
Enough to be the only player in the league last year to finish top 10 in scoring and assists. And to say Rose doesn’t make his teammates better shows that you are just aimlessly hating.
I don’t hate Rose at all. I said, a) that I’d rather have Darren Williams on the Lakers than Rose, and
b) That DWill is a better player than Carmelo.
Rose does make players on his team better, but not as well as Darren Williams does. I feel I made that pretty clear.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:41 PM
mid level government employee.
mid level black ops is still black ops
i was just asking because you always are levelheaded and write well
/no hines ward
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:41 PM
LeBron?
True. But can you see LeBron running the D’Antoni offense?
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:43 PM
And to say Rose doesn’t make his teammates better shows that you are just aimlessly hating.
Define plenty. DWill makes players on his teams better. DRose, not as much.
Just to reiterate how right I am on this.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:44 PM
True. But can you see LeBron running the D’Antoni offense?
Yes. Very easily.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Rose does make players on his team better, but not as well as Darren Williams does. I feel I made that pretty clear.
I disagree. Put Williams on last year’s Bulls team and no way do they finish with the 1 seed. They needed Rose’s scoring bad…
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:44 PM
DWill makes players on his teams better. DRose, not as much
both still need scorers. drose will be broken in three years if they don’t get a creator/finisher or d-ho. i’ll take melo’s scoring skills, and find a pg who knows his place and doesn;t turn the ball over, plays good d. nothing spectacular, just solid
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Define plenty. DWill makes players on his teams better. DRose, not as much.
Just to reiterate how right I am on this.
When you said “not as much” maybe I misread it. I took “not as much” to mean he doesn’t really make them better. Maybe I’m just skewed by how many Rose haters there are on this site.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:46 PM
mid level black ~~ops is still black~~ ops
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:47 PM
i’ll take melo’s scoring skills, and find a pg who knows his place and doesn;t turn the ball over, plays good d. nothing spectacular, just solid
We’ve seen that movie before. In Denver. And nothing happened.
I disagree. Put Williams on last year’s Bulls team and no way do they finish with the 1 seed. They needed Rose’s scoring bad…
I totally disagree. We’ve seen how good Boozer is with Williams. And add at least 3 ppg to Noah and Dengs season totals due to DWills court vision.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:48 PM
lets try this again
mid level black ~~ops~~ is still black ~~ops~~
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:48 PM
They needed Rose’s scoring bad…
yes, but that’s a problem. your pg shouldn’t be your high scorer, esp, when a lot of his points involve drives into the trees with a good number of spills. takes its toll
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:49 PM
When you said “not as much” ~~maybe~~ I misread it.
And I in no way hate Rose. I hate the Celtics, the Mavs, the Heat, and that’s pretty much it as far as ‘hate’ goes.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:50 PM
I totally disagree. We’ve seen how good Boozer is with Williams. And add at least 3 ppg to Noah and Dengs season totals due to DWills court vision.
you don’t think we’d see more of rose’s vision if he wasn’t trying to score so much?
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:50 PM
Maybe I’m just skewed by how many Rose haters there are on this site.
I’m not. I just wish he did a better job with his SAT.
I love this thread, guys. I really dig the back-and-forth with folk who know hoops.
Now if we could just get Howard traded to the Nets…
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:51 PM
Glad to see we’ve all learned how to do the strike-through move by now.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:51 PM
mid level black ops is still black ops
i knew you’d turn it racial!!
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:51 PM
clearly i haven’t ballz
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:51 PM
I totally disagree. We’ve seen how good Boozer is with Williams. And add at least 3 ppg to Noah and Dengs season totals due to DWills court vision.
Haha, Williams is averaging a whole 0.6 assists more per game than Rose. Yeah, clearly D Will would turn Noah and Deng to offensive studs…
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:53 PM
OT: Wizards up by 13 at Portland, in the 4th quarter.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:54 PM
I really dig the back-and-forth with folk who know hoops.
i fooled another one!
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:54 PM
I love this thread, guys. I really dig the back-and-forth with folk who know hoops
It always used to be like this. Nowadays Jersey is flirting with white chicks on twitter, sanders forbidden by law to use the internet after 8 p.m. central time and shatner is a full blown meth addict, so they don’t come around so often.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:54 PM
They needed Rose’s scoring bad…
yes, but that’s a problem. your pg shouldn’t be your high scorer, esp, when a lot of his points involve drives into the trees with a good number of spills. takes its toll
It’s not his fault they don’t have a true no. 1 scoring option. The reason Westbrook gets blasted is cause he’s doing what Rose does while he has Durant on his team. If Rose had someone even close to Durant scoring-wise, then I could understand the criticism. With the guys he has around him now, I think it’s silly to bash him for scoring as much as he does…
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:55 PM
OT: Wizards up by 13 at Portland, in the 4th quarter.
example No. 23456 why gambling on NBA is silly
/i still do it
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:56 PM
Those roster construction issues aren’t ‘Melo’s fault. So help me understand the broader issue of why there aren’t more Steve Nash/CP3-type point guards in the league? Seems like they are a pretty important piece to any roster.
Those kind of guards who can see the geometry on the floor and still be an offensive threat aren’t a dime a dozen.
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:56 PM
Yeah, clearly D Will would turn Noah and Deng to offensive studs…
Hey, you spend a year in East Rutherford and see how sunny your dispositon is. He clearly is miserable. He played in Turkey for chrissakes. Have you seen Midnight Express?
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:56 PM
not bashing him X, countering an argument that….shit i forgot the argument, but i love rose, just wish he didn’t HAVE to score as much
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 PM
oh i know….ballz was sasyig he’d take dwill over melo, and i said i’d rather have melo’s scoring skills because those are harder to find than decent pg play, that yes rose scores a bunch, but he’s not supposed to, he HAS to
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 PM
i knew you’d turn it racial!!
what can I say. I’m a flame thrower
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Hey, you spend a year in East Rutherford and see how sunny your dispositon is. He clearly is miserable. He played in Turkey for chrissakes. Have you seen Midnight Express?
I’m just saying, you act like D Will is out there averaging 12 assists a game and Rose is averaging less than 5. I know assists aren’t the only measure of a great passer, but Rose absolutely gets his teammates involved. The gap between him and Williams as far as playmaking isn’t really as big as you’re trying to make it out to be
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Ballz Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:59 PM
It’s not his fault they don’t have a true no. 1 scoring option. The reason Westbrook gets blasted is cause he’s doing what Rose does while he has Durant on his team. If Rose had someone even close to Durant scoring-wise, then I could understand the criticism. With the guys he has around him now, I think it’s silly to bash him for scoring as much as he does…
And I’m saying DWill with someone else as the #1 scorer >>>>> DRose with someone else as a #1 scorer. All I said was I’d rather have Williams on my team (the Lakers) than Rose. I think Rose is more Iverson than Stockton.
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vezina Says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:59 PM
The gap between him and Williams as far as playmaking isn’t really as big as you’re trying to make it out to be
esp. when you add rose’s points. now who’s the more valuable player?
/most, even
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Those kind of guards who can see the geometry on the floor and still be an offensive threat aren’t a dime a dozen.
/rocks back and forth in my chair
“Back in my day”, NYC/East Coast point guards were famous for that. Floor vision for days, great handles & passing skills, and still offensive threats when necessary.
Now, there are a bunch of HS and college “shooting PGs” (another phrase I hate). They can get their shot off, but struggle to run an offense.
There’s no reason ‘Melo can’t win an NBA title before his career ends. He needs the right mix of teammates. Not “supporting cast” (argh!), but actual teammates.
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:01 AM
i said i’d rather have melo’s scoring skills because those are harder to find than decent pg play
This isn’t true at all. Monte Ellis’ are a dime a dozen. Trust me, I’ve watched the Lakers my whole life.
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LongLiveWeaponX Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:01 AM
All I said was I’d rather have Williams on my team (the Lakers) than Rose.
That’s probably true. But you also said Williams would have been a better fit on last year’s Bulls team, and there is now way you can convince me of that…
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:01 AM
I think Rose is more Iverson than Stockton.
we don’t know that yet. stockton had malone and even still, was a fucking wizard, a once in a generation passer.
rose has not had a go-to scorer, so he’s been forced to be an iverson, and thank tebow he’s not as slight as iverson, or his back pain would be disc-related and not just a muscle strain
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:02 AM
I’m just saying, you act like D Will is out there averaging 12 assists a game and Rose is averaging less than 5. I know assists aren’t the only measure of a great passer, but Rose absolutely gets his teammates involved. The gap between him and Williams as far as playmaking isn’t really as big as you’re trying to make it out to be
Take another look at New Jersey’s roster.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:02 AM
It always used to be like this. Nowadays Jersey is flirting with white chicks on twitter, sanders forbidden by law to use the internet after 8 p.m. central time and shatner is a full blown meth addict, so they don’t come around so often.
Sounds like the Blues Brothers.
/let’s get the band back together
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Monte Ellis’ are a dime a dozen
you comparing him to melo?
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:04 AM
we don’t know that yet. stockton had malone and even still, was a fucking wizard, a once in a generation passer.
Stockton didn’t have Malone. Malone had Stockton.
That’s probably true. But you also said Williams would have been a better fit on last year’s Bulls team, and there is now way you can convince me of that…
Williams is better at his positon. Now, If you want to put DWill at PG and Rose at SG, then we may have something……
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Stockton didn’t have Malone.
you are playing. the point is, stockton didn’t have to score like rose does
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
you comparing him to melo?
Not really. You said that scorers are harder to find than true PG’s, and that’s just not true. You can have a scorer on a shitty team. But a true PG? He makes the playoffs every year and get’s his teammates All-Star selections.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:09 AM
decent pgs, i said decent, not true
boom, roasted!!
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:09 AM
you are playing. the point is, stockton didn’t have to score like rose does
…because he was such a better PG than Rose is. Again, put a true PG with Rose at the SG and then you have something. Rose want’s is points.
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:10 AM
decent pgs, i said decent, not true
boom, roasted!!
Fine. But you’re still wrong.
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Not really. You said that scorers are harder to find than true PG’s, and that’s just not true. You can have a scorer on a shitty team. But a true PG? He makes the playoffs every year and get’s his teammates All-Star selections.
So, I’ll be looking for the Nets in the Playoffs and Lopez in the All Star Game.
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:13 AM
So, I’ll be looking for the Nets in the Playoffs and Lopez in the All Star Game.
How many minutes has Lopez played this year? And how long have the Nets had to build around DWill? You know, considering how much he’s commited to playing there?
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ButtersBC Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Considering the three best teams in the NBA don’t have a “traditional” point guard I don’t see the point of debating what constitutes being one
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Rose want’s is points.
no, he is forced to be the man because he can be. deng can’t create, korver is spotty, boozer is weak, noah apparently has no desire to learn offense…
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:15 AM
butters makes his move and shuts down fools
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Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:18 AM
And how long have the ~~Nets~~ Knicks had to build around ~~DWill</del? Melo?~~
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Considering the three best teams in the NBA don’t have a “traditional” point guard I don’t see the point of debating what constitutes being one
The defending champ has one (Kidd, anyone?). Let’s check back after this year’s Finals and look at their roster composition.
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Considering the three best teams in the NBA don’t have a “traditional” point guard I don’t see the point of debating what constitutes being one
Again, all I said was I’d rather have Williams than Rose on the Lakers. Plus, Lebron and Durant are on 2 of those teams.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Let’s check back after this year’s Finals and look at the champ’s roster composition.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:20 AM
maybe the point is that there are so few great pg that teams need to come up with ways to win without one, and since they are in the majority, and the greats aren’t always the champs, that this sentence is so long that i lost my train of thought and should be working anyway
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:21 AM
OT again: Wizards, 120-107 with 1:09 left. Nobody beats the Wiz (at least tonight). Nick Young with 34.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:22 AM
Wizards, 120-107 with 1:09 left. Nobody beats the Wiz (at least tonight). Nick Young with 34.
smashing the pistons was the season turning point
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ButtersBC Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:24 AM
maybe the point is that there are so few great pg that teams need to come up with ways to win without one
I think the problem is more that there aren’t good 2-guards…you have Kobe, Wade and then who, Joe Johnson (unless I’m forgetting someone obvious)? Backcourt scoring needs to come from somewhere so the PG seems to be taking on more of the load across the league
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:24 AM
maybe the point is that there are so few great pg that teams need to come up with ways to win without one, and since they are in the majority,
There’s a team with Lebron, Wade, and bosh, a team with Durant, Westbrook, and a young, solid bench, and another team that plays in the central division with the Bucks, Pacers, Cavs, and Pistons…… Plus, you know, the rest of the shitty Eastern Conference.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:26 AM
smashing the pistons was the season turning point
Uh, sure.
These guys shot 60% from the floor for the game, and 53% from three. Just one of those nights. Aldridge got hurt two minutes in, and didn’t return. Blazers diminished, Wizards were blazing hot. On to the next city, next game.
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:26 AM
I think the problem is more that there aren’t good 2-guards…you have Kobe, Wade and then who, Joe Johnson (unless I’m forgetting someone obvious)? Backcourt scoring needs to come from somewhere so the PG seems to be taking on more of the load across the league
This is a very good point. Because there aren’t many good centers, either. More of this good, quick athletes need to stop playing basketball and start playing soccer.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:29 AM
so the league and its fans should settle in and figure that great pg are rare, and not try to shoehorn a ‘traditional’ offense into reality. athletes are so different now, and coaches’ creativity, too, not to mention the zone…if we are having a hard time coming up with five great pg (rose, dwill,rondo, paul, westbrook….?) maybe you throw your hands in the air and wave them around like you just don’t care.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:32 AM
hibbert will be a star, and the pacers will win a title in the next 3-4 years
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:32 AM
(rose, dwill,rondo, paul, westbrook
Williams, Nash, Irving, Wall, Rubio, and Parker are pretty fucking good.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:32 AM
forgot about the heat
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:32 AM
and the pacers will win a title in the next 3-4 years
And with that, I’m OUT!!!
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Let me sum up: we say there aren’t many great PGs. We’re saying there aren’t many great centers. And, we’re saying there aren’t many great 2-guards.
So, what have we left?
vezina, I hear ya. The game has changed. Maybe we should enjoy what we have, and not waste time longing for what we don’t have.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Nash, Irving, Wall, Rubio, and Parker
at some point, i run out of steam and my weaknesses show
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:34 AM
And with that, I’m OUT!!!
if you scared, say you scared
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:37 AM
good tblad fellas
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:37 AM
ha
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:37 AM
I dig this also. Lookin’ forward to the next time.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:38 AM
hey srod, what do you think iran will do? seems kinda tense in the gulf
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Jim Harbaugh Scramble Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:38 AM
LEGEND.
LOL! this may be the best thing you’ve ever done, TBL.
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Jim Harbaugh Scramble Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:39 AM
good tblad fellas
I go out for the night and TBLAD is reborn?
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:40 AM
jhs, it’s been making a lukewarm comeback lately. it’s usually tied to an incendiary post tho, whereas before it was any old post
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Jim Harbaugh Scramble Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:42 AM
whereas before it was any old post
true. RIP the days of 500+ comments. still nice for there to be a pulse, though.
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:43 AM
srod, i’m having a fort collins brewery beer…Z smoked amber ale. smokiness is not bad
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:44 AM
lager, not ale. i know some will do a treatise on the difference
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:48 AM
hey srod, what do you think iran will do? seems kinda tense in the gulf
vezina, I haven’t followed the story as close as I should. With a somewhat diminished Iraq (post-Hussein), many observers thought Iran would try to fill that void as Islamic leader in SW Asia.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/world/asia/thailand-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
Proxies like Hezbollah can strike at Westernized societies, while espousing “devout/fundamentalist Islamic” values.
Iran is still active, still a threat. As we lessen our footprint in SWA, I would look for Iran to continue to undermine the fragile peace and stability in the region.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:50 AM
srod, i’m having a fort collins brewery beer…Z smoked amber ale. smokiness is not bad
Sounds tasty. I’m no expert, but a cold one once in a while hits the spot. I may have to be on the lookout for that.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 12:56 AM
/sings “Last in Line” by Ronnie James Dio
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vezina Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 1:01 AM
/holds up lighter
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PL StabbinKabin Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 1:07 AM
Jumpin on late night, Is this bitch still alive up in hurr?
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Ballz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 1:08 AM
/sings “Last in Line” by Ronnie James Dio
/Chimes back in to say Ronnie James Dio sucks. Because that’s what I do.
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:20 AM
Aw man, I caved before the party ended.
Ballz, do what you do, man. Ha!
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roger from oz Says:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:28 AM
MVP, MVP. The Tebow comparisons officially need to stop. This kid has more talent in his pinkie than Tebow.