CBS Analyst Tom Lemming Rips National Recruiting Sites For Letting “Politics” Slip Into Ratings
Most national sites rate UConn’s 2012 recruiting class as the worst in the Big East. CBS’ recruiting analyst Tom Lemming told the Hartford Courant you should “take that with a grain of salt.” He’s “just speculating” but he thinks Internet recruiting sites may be unduly slanted toward top schools. He may have a point.
“What I notice is that Internet sites have to make money and they make that money with the big programs, the Notre Dames, Florida States, Texases. So if a guy goes there, you never see those schools sign a two-star player do you? Well, you do because they see a lot of guys transfer that actually can’t play at all.
“I’m just speculating because I’m not an Internet guy. But sometimes I’ll see a guy is a one-star and all of a sudden the day before signing day he signs with a big school that makes a lot of money for the Internet site and all of a sudden he’s a four-star player. Without doing anything in one day he changes stars. But if the same players signs with a UConn or a Temple or some of the Eastern schools he stays a one-star. That’s where the politics come in.”
High school football scouting is an incredibly inexact science. It is hard to evaluate players. It is hard to compare players across different standards of competition. It’s hard to find every player. Even if you could do all that. You’re evaluating 17-year-olds. As in normal life, some kids get to college and can’t handle it.
Two prominent factors are at play with rankings for schools such as Connecticut. First, recruiting sites have limited resources. They spend those resources (a) on the elite recruits and (b) in places such as Texas, Florida and California where those recruits reside. The farther down the rankings and the farther away from those hotbeds, the less likely the scouting is to be accurate. Some two-star kids from the Northeast, who should be three-stars may slip under the radar.
Second, high-profile teams influence rankings. The process is perhaps not as sinister as Lemming implies. It may not even by conscious. Schools know the landscape better than anyone. Recruit X may be rated initially as a three-star offensive tackle after a workout. He then gets offers from Florida, Alabama, Michigan and Notre Dame leading the recruiting sites to take a closer look and reevaluate him looking for the positives. That’s not going to happen when someone commits to UConn.
Recruiting rankings are flawed and too imperfect to make precise statements. That said, they aren’t wholly valueless. We can’t say for certain how Connecticut’s recruits will fare against Syracuse or Cincinnati, but we can conclude reasonably those kids won’t match up with Alabama’s or Ohio State’s class.
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February 1st, 2012 at 4:03 PM
ESPN is the worst.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:03 PM
I’m just speculating because I’m not an Internet guy. But sometimes I’ll see a guy is a one-star and all of a sudden the day before signing day he signs with a big school that makes a lot of money for the Internet site and all of a sudden he’s a four-star player.
I’m as big a guy feeling that recruiting rankings are very flawed, but can we get a link to when a one star went to four stars in one day?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:04 PM
He’s “just speculating” but he thinks Internet recruiting sites may be unduly slanted toward top schools
And he’s right. Rivals has been guilty of grade inflation, especially for 3 star prospects in Texas, for at least three straight years.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:05 PM
you mean like lemming slants towards ND? this is rich, coming from him…
February 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
i dunno if this story is true or not, but lemming’s comments are pretty fucking absurd, considering whom he’s referring too…
February 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM
I was wondering the same thing…I’ll even take a two-star leap.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Rivals didn’t even have a Midwest scout until this year.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Spencer, you watching/listeing the Urban presser?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Another thing I learned about Lemmings earlier this week? He keeps a “microwave-sized box of recruit DVDs” on his desk. No word on whether that was an upgrade from toaster size or if his video archive is refrigerator sized.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
no…too busy getting power pegged by life to even know it was going on right now.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Uhm, that is complete bullshit.
However, rivals is widely accused of inflating Bama stars as well.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:12 PM
vlad…what have i missed?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Also, Tom Lemming just looks like a sleaze bag.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
no…too busy getting power pegged by life to even know it was going on right now.
You kinky bastard.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
tom lemming is appropriately named.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
So people who depend on pageviews for ad revenue skew their numbers to make the more popular names appear to get the best recruits?
I’d be worried if I cared. At the end, it all comes out in the wash. If a kid can play, he will. If he can’t, he won’t. The big programs will keep doing their thing. The small schools will too.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:15 PM
mmh mmh mmmmhmhmhh mmmhhh.
/hard to talk with life’s ballgag in my mouth
February 1st, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Sincerely doubt Rolle had trouble understanding the question.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:16 PM
i dunno about you, but im usually more trusting of those people who’s occupation relies on watching hours and hours of kid’s play a sport over a rhodes scholar.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Say what you will, but I’d follow that guy anywhere.
/looks at previous sentence, shakes head, leaves
February 1st, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Next you’re gonna tell me a pop culture writer put Jimmer on his NBA All-Rookie team to inflate page views.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Based on personal experience, the majority of these guys (recruiting evaluators, camp organizers, coaches, recruiters, highlight DVD makers, etc) are the slimiest two-faced sobs you’ll ever meet. I just can’t imagine basing my whole income on twisting the lives of 18 year old kids.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The link to online coverage of SMU’s press conference is mysteriously broken. Perhaps losing two Florida recruits, and 3 California recruits in the last month have something to do with that…….
February 1st, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Based on personal experience, the majority of these guys (recruiting evaluators, camp organizers, coaches, recruiters, highlight DVD makers, etc) are the slimiest two-faced sobs you’ll ever meet. I just can’t imagine basing my whole income on twisting the lives of 18 year old kids.
While true, they’re still not as slimy as AAU coaches and college basketball ‘advisors’.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Where’s the Mark Sanchez/Kardashian post?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:21 PM
once there was a kid who…
February 1st, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Easy now…where else are you going to get 8.6ppg at a 36.4% clip?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:22 PM
I just can’t imagine basing my whole income on twisting the lives of 18 year old kids.
One can have a LOT of fun with this sentence.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:23 PM
losing two Florida recruits, and 3 California recruits in the last month have something to do with that
This makes me happy – a fiend of mine has a kid at SMU who has endured 2 knee surgeries to play. I hope he gets more PT.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Not a good signing day. Didn’t get Courtney Gardner or Beckham, I wish them both many failures the next few years.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:25 PM
This makes me happy – a fiend of mine has a kid at SMU who has endured 2 knee surgeries to play. I hope he gets more PT.
Do you care to name drop? We had a big time DT who tore his knee up prior to last season. He’s had a couple of knee surgeries and is hoping to be ready for the fall.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:25 PM
I just can’t imagine basing my whole income on twisting the lives of 18 year old kids.
High School Guidance Counselor
Driving License Tester
Drug Store Pharmacist
Guy in dorm that sells booze to everybody
February 1st, 2012 at 4:26 PM
High School Guidance Counselor
This one cracked me up.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:26 PM
took me a second to get it, but well done.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:26 PM
While true, they’re still not as slimy as AAU coaches and college basketball ‘advisors’.
Well, with basketball, you have the advisers. With football, there are so many kids, it’s more of a conspiracy.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:26 PM
I have never seen this happen. Ever.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Here’s a simple rule: If Alabama offers you, you’re legit.
/4 out 5 years finishing No. 1 according to Rivals
//2 titles in 3 years
February 1st, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Holy shit, the Buckeyes are loading the fuck up.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Dugal.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Wait till they land Diggs or Neal.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:30 PM
That’s what I was referring to, Vlad. It’s looking damn good from what I’m hearing.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:31 PM
there’s a lot of rules like this…
if texas offers you…you probably peaked early.
if oklahoma offers you…we won’t hear from you again until you’re a 5th year senior.
if ohio state offers you…you’re a 4-star with a 2-star’s speed and football IQ.
if USC offers you…you attended at least six all-star 7-on-7 camps.
if florida offers you…you’ve smoked yourself illiterate and, like all potheads, get your assigned tasks done in record time so you can enhance your mellow.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:31 PM
I gotta admit, I has wishing for that #1 WR to shock the world and pull tOSU cap today.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Green-Beckham does suck, but I am taking solace in the fact that Gardner wasn’t going to make the grades to get in at Arkansas, but he has no problem getting in at Okrahoma.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Those Slohio kids are paper tigers.
/Clown’d
February 1st, 2012 at 4:33 PM
BTW, I was out of the office and came back to the fax-cam girl deconstruction. This site is rarely better when a woman’s appearance is analyzed and rated by the commenteriot.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Even Meyer is saying that’s the one thing they’re going to miss out on in this class. Needs that dynamic play maker on offense with speed. Didn’t get it.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Jose, while it sucks the Hogs didn’t land DGB, WR is the position I am least concerned with at Arkansas. sure, it would have been tits to get him, but they also loaded up on DE and LB’s. stole a 4* from Tennessee yesterday who is supposed to be a beast.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:35 PM
if LSU offers you…you play defense great for most games (or can’t play QB).
if Boise State offers you…you’re color blind.
if South Carolina offers you…you’re Tony Montana Jr.
if Arizona State offers you…you have to have a spare bedroom for Matt Leinart.
if Oregon offers you…there’s a DVD of you from 2003.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:36 PM
They also need a QB who can throw the ball, but I digress.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:36 PM
you’re a JUCO.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:37 PM
they do?
/points at tim tebow
February 1st, 2012 at 4:38 PM
and you’ll win 11 games a year.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:38 PM
against competition that was likely worse than what you faced at whatever california HS you barely graduated from.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Well, if you think Miller can handle the type of carries Tebow could, god bless.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:39 PM
You guys are such fucking enablers…
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
i don’t…but miller’s got some RB’s on the roster that tebow never had.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Nah…they were legit with Moore. They’ll take a step back next year. Boise would have beaten any team in CFB last year in the bowl games save for LSU and Bama. They lose everyone good, though.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Braxton can sling it. Haters gonna hate.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
We’ll have running backs to run for TDs inside the five. Won’t need Braxton to hog the glory.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
You mean you aren’t doing cartwheels over Cardale jones?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Missing the WR’s, though. Of course playing in the craptastic B10, Ohio State should roll.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:41 PM
against competition that was likely worse than what you faced at whatever california HS you barely graduated from.
That’s no way to talk about Georgia.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Husker, do you know why Alabama and Mississippi State are both listed as having over 25 signees? I have no idea how that shit works.
along the same lines, hopefully Duffy is penning his over-signing is the devil piece right now about Texas, Miami, UCLA and Virgina Tech all having over 25 signees.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Didn’t the Buckeyes get Stefon Diggs, or did I mis-hear that?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:42 PM
I will say this, Tennessee could be the most fun passing offense in the SEC next year. They landed a stud JUCO receiver to go along with Hunter and Rogers. They are going to be a bitch to deal with from a defensive standpoint next year.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Husker, do you know why Alabama and Mississippi State are both listed as having over 25 signees? I have no idea how that shit works.
Any school that signs over 25, which Duffy will readily tell you is most often SEC schools, is doing so under the assumption that either a few players will not immediately qualify and will go to a junior college that feeds recruits back into the FBS pool, or that several of the players have agreed ahead of time to grayshirt.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:43 PM
You can sign more than 25 if you have the room. The problem with Ark (and many others) is that they don’t have room.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
2011 Georgia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011 Ohio State
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Won’t announce for a week or so.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
i wasn’t talking about boise…i was talking about their shitty opponents.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Him and Neal are not deciding until around mid Feb allegedly.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Well, yeah, but neither were anything special.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
I gotta admit, I has wishing for that #1 WR to shock the world and pull tOSU cap today
yeah fucking right.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 PM
way to go out on a limb there.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 PM
And that’s raycess.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 PM
the only people who talk about georgia also happen to root for georgia.
ok, that’s not fair…georgia tech fans talk about georgia too, which is it’s own special level of pathetic.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Good lord. Stanford just loaded the fuck up on the offensive line this year. Three 5-star lineman.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:46 PM
also, yes.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Except for next year. They’ll get plenty of national love due to being good and having a manageable slate.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:46 PM
fat people love spanish tile…one of life’s irrefutable truths.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:49 PM
please, we all know UGA aint shit until venables takes over.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:50 PM
It really is now or never for Jimbo Fisher and Free Shoe. How can they not win the ACC with the talent they have?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:50 PM
I just don’t understand how the whole scholarship distribution thing goes I guess. Arkansas had 3 or 4 guys that quit/transferred this year, what happens to those scholly’s?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Now imagine that they are white.
/Brigance’d
February 1st, 2012 at 4:51 PM
petrino whited out their names and then photocopied them four times so he could sign…[does math]…whatever many that would be.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:53 PM
I just don’t understand how the whole scholarship distribution thing goes I guess. Arkansas had 3 or 4 guys that quit/transferred this year, what happens to those scholly’s?
Those spaces on the 85 man roster open up.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:53 PM
I think 28 is the maximum number a school can sign provided that won’t put them over the 85 limit. UGA will be under this year, so in theory they should be able to sign a big class next year. I think AUB will be under the 85 as well.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Luck does have another year of eligibility. Maybe he should come back and improve his draft stock.
/sure he’s already declared
//would be awesome to see the Colts scramble to repair relationship with Peyton
February 1st, 2012 at 4:57 PM
I could sit here and ask questions all day and still not know what the hell is going on. kind of like the different rankings for recruiting classes. Here are Arkansas:
Scout: 21
Rivals: 35
ESPN: I’m not an “insider” but they aren’t in the top 30.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:59 PM
The defense does need shoring up, especially the secondary. Darius Winston in particular has been a colossal disappointment. I’m not particularly worried about the receiving core this year, but with Wilson and Cobi leaving after next year, I would’ve liked some long-time insurance.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:59 PM
I think 28 is the maximum number a school can sign provided that won’t put them over the 85 limit.
Troy laughs at that.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Georgia’s is even wider. Rivals and Scout (18, 17). 247: 7 ESPN: 5. All I know is UGA landed some positions they needed and some they didn’t. The OL misses (dammit AUB!) hurt the most, though. Having said that, they got the guys they needed to make a run at a title for next year. The two RBs, the LT and the kicker. If those 4 play well, UGA has a better than legit shot at playing LSU or Bama for the SEC title.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:00 PM
I was saying that for the SEC.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:03 PM
I could sit here and ask questions all day and still not know what the hell is going on. kind of like the different rankings for recruiting classes. Here are Arkansas:
Scout: 21
Rivals: 35
Scout and Rivals grade players differently. They also have different formulas for determining an overall class’s score. I’m simplifying a bit here, but Scout more or less adds up their individual scores and then makes that the aggregate score while Rivals makes each individual score dependent on the value of each player signed: for example, if a stop 10 RB is signed, that will bring up the relative value of other players in the class as well.
Rivals has been accused of grade inflation for a few years now, and it’s probably true. ESPN doesn’t grade huge swathes of players because they don’t have as much resources for recruiting as Scout or Rivals do.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:03 PM
ah, Darius Winston, you mean the last 5* player Arkansas signed? that is one reason why I don’t always get worked up about the ranking. Mitch Mustain is another. Marquel Wade is a solid, young WR, and they still signed 4 WR in this class. hell, Jarius Wright was only a 2* recruit. like Husker said, they filled needs, especially on the D side of the ball. Bobby Allen having 2 years behind Tyler at QB is going to help him a ton as well.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:04 PM
holy shit.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:18 PM
I’m just recovering from that awful face of the ‘Bama Cam Girl.
/ hurls one more time
February 1st, 2012 at 5:32 PM
I just glanced at the pic of her on my phone, but, I mean, she wasn’t that ugly was she?
February 1st, 2012 at 5:34 PM
I take that back. It was that bad.