The Harbaughs Should Be Fighting Over Who Gets to Sign Peyton Manning
The Baltimore Ravens and San Francisco 49ers came within a few key plays Sunday of advancing to the Super Bowl. Instead of talking about the Brady-Eli rematch, we could be talking where Joe Flacco and Alex Smith rank on the list of the worst QBs to start a Super Bowl. Nobody’s blaming Flacco or Smith – one played well, the other less so – and instead, the focus has been on Billy Cundiff’s missed field goal, and Kyle Williams’ fumble in overtime.
Meanwhile, the Peyton Manning train will continue toward chugging toward that March 8th deadline, and based on recent events in Indianapolis, with Manning and owner Jim Irsay exchanging quotes in the media, it looks like Manning will be the free agent of the offseason.
Miami has Peyton Manning, not surprisingly, atop its wish list. Arizona could unite Manning with Larry Fitzgerald, and conveniently has its own decision on a bonus coming up on $63 million man Kevin Kolb (nine days after the Manning deadline). Let’s face it, at least half the teams in the league should at least be considering Manning, and he would provide a clear upgrade at the position, even coming off multiple neck procedures. We’ll hear about Seattle and Kansas City, or Jacksonville and Minnesota, or Washington and Cleveland in the coming weeks.
But I turn back to what Manning should do, and which teams should really make the push and take the big boy risk of bringing in one of the best all-time quarterbacks at this point. I come up with Baltimore and San Francisco.
For Manning, he needs to follow the path of two other Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Y.A. Tittle and Joe Montana, men who had injuries in their mid-30′s, younger replacements who turned out to be pretty good quarterbacks themselves, and saw themselves forced to end their careers elsewhere. Did they end up with teams that had the flashiest offensive weapons, or that had the worst quarterback situation before their arrival? No. They both went to teams with pretty good defensive personnel, and elevated those teams. A retirement home in Arizona while playing pitch and catch with Larry Fitzgerald might be nice, but Manning has elevated receivers throughout his career. With bidders everywhere, he should focus on the other side of the ball, and where his offensive impact will join that to create a Super Bowl favorite.
What of the Baltimore and San Francisco ends, though? Joe Flacco and Alex Smith are starters in this league, and if either were replaced, they would then elevate to the top free agent/trade option available. Alex Smith signed a 1 -year deal last offseason, so San Francisco would have to re-sign him, but for more money (early reports are he’s targeting a 2-3 year deal worth about $9 million annually). Joe Flacco is entering the final year of his deal, and wants a new one. From a contractual/team building standpoint, neither situation is prohibitive to getting involved with Peyton discussions.
But they led teams to a championship game and deserve more, right? I say that you have a chance to upgrade the position, even if it wasn’t the weak point on the team, and you do it here. From a “marginal value” standpoint, adding Manning is more valuable to San Francisco and Baltimore than it would be to someone like Cleveland.
Joe Flacco and Alex Smith will be starters in this league over the next few years. They can both make plays, but at times lack consistency. They can hit throws down the field, but also have a tendency to hold the ball at times. Last year (fittingly in a Saints-49ers preview) I asked when it was time to give up on Alex Smith, concluding it was too early. I think that approach is correct, but I’m also not projecting him to be a star as he moves into his late 20′s, when the main thing he did playing with a great defense was avoid turnovers. I’m not failing to make a move because I’m worried Alex Smith will be a star four years from now, and I’m expecting turnover regression if Smith is the quarterback in 2012.
As for Flacco, he reminds me of guys like Ken O’Brien and Jim McMahon. His sack rate is below average for his career, his other numbers are decent, above average even, but not spectacular, and he has been bolstered by a top defense. Guys most similar to Flacco haven’t played to their mid-30′s, and I’m not passing on an opportunity to make a big splash with Manning because of what Flacco might be at age 31, when Manning is done.
San Francisco and Baltimore were 1st and 2nd respectively in rush defense in 2011, and they were top 10 teams in pass defense. They ranked 20th and 19th in net passing yards per play on offense. That’s not horrible, but it is a little below average. The Harbaughs could look at that, and decide to stay the course, and hope to win with great defense, limiting mistakes on offense and winning with just enough plays from the QB. That would be the safe play.
Or, they could go big, take a risk, and realize that an upgrade in those passing games makes them the favorites in their respective conferences. Baltimore has an elite defense, though Ray Lewis is on so much borrowed time that he took out a second loan, and Ed Reed will continue to have trouble staying healthy and may not have many more opportunities left. San Francisco has a dominant, hard hitting defense, with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman inside, Justin Smith as a beast pushing the middle, and Aldon Smith as a speedy pass rusher. They aren’t going away.
Jim Harbaugh has to decide if he wants a quarterback who put together a Jim Harbaugh-like quarterback season, or if he wants to go big for Manning. Brother John must decide if the play is to roll the dice on Manning and take a run with that defense, while flipping Flacco for value, or stay the course. If I’m the Harbaughs, I’m wrestling and fighting once again. The Super Bowl in 2012 or 2013 could be on the line.
And if I’m Peyton Manning, and Indianapolis is not my home, I figure I will get plenty of opportunities for money anywhere. I’m going to follow the defenses, and a Harbaugh, to where I want to go.
[photo via Getty]

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January 27th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
All this aside, the fact we’re bringing back Cam Cameron makes me want to kill John Harbaugh.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Soooooo…NOT the Jets?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Soooooo…NOT the Jets?
Dude, they dont need him — they have Sanchez
January 27th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
OT.. but this picture should accompany any post mentioning Matt Ryan from now on.
/carry on
January 27th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
A retirement home in Arizona while playing pitch and catch with Larry Fitzgerald might be nice,
you know what I’m not sure about with this? Would Peyton throw this guy the ball when he’s double covered? Because if you have this guy, sometimes that’s the right move. I’m not sure that would compute in Peyton’s robot brain.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
While I agree, we do have to consider that we’re one missed fumble call away from Alex Smith playing the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
jets and manning
January 27th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
I don’t deny the logic regarding Manning being an option for SF. But poor Alex Smith.
All the struggle, he finally gets to a place where he has success and now people may speculate “get the hell out.” What a narrative.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
OT.. but this picture should accompany any post mentioning Matt Ryan from now on.
I expected that to be the one showing his shart stained game pants
January 27th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
It’s just business.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
I highly doubt that next year their turnover ratio will be nearly as good. They bleeeeew it.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
San Fran, Washington, Baltimore then Arizona, if i’m Peyton.
I can’t imagine he wants to go the Jets.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
It’s just business.
Look at you, channeling New Jack City.
Heck yeah, it’s just business. It’s never personal.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
True, but their offense will probably improve in year 2 under Harbaugh, and they aren’t old. Special teams should remain solid. If they regress (which they will) still looking at 10 wins probably.
Plus, they have a coaching advantage over probably 80% of the league, at least.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
jack harbaugh raised a couple of cocksuckers, that’s for sure.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
He may have tiny hands but he surely ain’t poor. No reason to feel sorry for a guy that has collected millions upon millions of dollars year after year while playing pretty shitty up until this year.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Get off your knees, we’ll see what he accomplishes in year two.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
what good are a million jars of peanut butter if baby hands can’t get em open?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
He may have tiny hands but he surely ain’t poor. No reason to feel sorry for a guy that has collected millions upon millions of dollars year after year while playing pretty shitty up until this year.
The biggest surprise of the year? That Alex Smith was able to get a coach to trust him enough with the ball. We’re only a couple of years removed from J.T. O’Sullivan surpassing him on the depth chart.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Soooooo…NOT the Jets?
Dude, they dont need him — they have Sanchez
Again, NOT the Jets?
San Fran, Washington, Baltimore then Arizona, if i’m Peyton.
I’d say Baltimore, Frisco, Washington and I don’t touch Arizona.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Which team has the best O-Line in that group? Baltimore?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Yeah, he has struggled, and it has taken way too long for Smith to “get it”. But the annals of sport are filled with stories of perseverance, that “never say die” quality.
I don’t hate the guy for being born at a time where 20+ years later, he was the NFL’s overall #1 draft pick. Bully for him.
But, 7 (?) OCs in his career? An organization filled with dysfunction? Some guys in that position get buoyed by the media, others get dumped on. Who gets to decide which narrative holds sway?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
What the hell did John Harbaugh do? I get not liking Jim totally. It’s cuz he’s the Ravens coach, isn’t it?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Why not? Fitz, a solid running back, stellar pieces on defense and an indoor stadium have to be appealing.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
How about Kansas City?
Defense isn’t bad, and they should be getting Jamaal Charles back. Could do worse than Bowe/Baldwin/Breaston at WR.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
alex smith = phil simms?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
While I agree, we do have to consider that we’re one missed fumble call away from Alex Smith playing the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
Rex Grossman also played in a Super Bowl. Doesn’t mean the Bears wouldn’t have kicked his ass to the curb at the drop of a hat for Peyton.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
He always has a look on his face that some bully just stole his kickball.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Yeah a 13-win debut is no reason to have confidence in a coach. I guess I’d much rather have fake tough guy/fag Jim Schwartz.
No shit.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Manning to Denver?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Pey-pey would throw for 9,000 yards in Arizona. Going to a Harbaugh would be a great move for him, but I don’t think that Arizona should be so quickly discounted. Their defense isn’t terrible (slightly below average in terms of total yards and points).
January 27th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
How about Kansas City?
Defense isn’t bad, and they should be getting Jamaal Charles back. Could do worse than Bowe/Baldwin/Breaston at WR.
I would love him in Kansas City. I think that defense has a chance to be a Baltimore or San Fran level unit in the next few years, they were doing it by season’s end without Berry. Just need a Ngata or Justin Smith type lineman.
But if I’m Manning, I’m sending feelers out to two teams that were just in the championship game with average QB play.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I don’t touch Arizona.
Why not? Fitz, a solid running back, stellar pieces on defense and an indoor stadium have to be appealing.
Arizona is where old QBs go to retire. (Actually because I’m not so sure their o-line can provide protection sufficient for Peyton and that’s gotta be the key).
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Washington
Wait .. what?
I think espn should sponsor a Jim vs John decathlon or strongest man-style competition for the rights to Manning.
/decathlon = John Belushi: Little Chocolate Donuts
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Manning to Denver?
Please? I wanna be there when this internet thing explodes.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Raiders. Book it.
/Please don’t book it.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
I’m going to keep banging the Seattle drum. Decent WR, really good running game, a lot of OL talent and a young defense stock piling studs like Earl Thomas. Also, just stop mentioning the Ravens Lisk. Let them keep thinking Flacco is going to be great. Manning on that team would be scary.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Yeah a 13-win debut is no reason to have confidence in a coach. I guess I’d much rather have fake tough guy/fag Jim Schwartz.
Dick Juaron won 13 games once too.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Washington would be interesting,if only because Shanahan seems to do his best work as a coach when he has an older, Hall of Fame caliber quarterback.
Would love to see Peyton in Baltimore, if only to continue to provide viable competition to Pittsburgh in that division.
Miami would be just weird; we’d be forced to endure 100s of “how does Peyton compare to Dan Marino?” articles.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Exactly my thoughts. He was never a super mobile quarterback but he’s going to be even worse after neck surgery. And I doubt anyone that spends money on him is going to want to worry about what will happen if he gets sacked.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
I just don’t fully get this. I wouldn’t bet money that Manning > Flacco NEXT year, forget about the next two-three years.
Meanwhile, Alex Smith looked awful, and I don’t fully blame his WRs.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Dick Juaron won 13 games once too.
I refuse to believe that this happened.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I’m going to keep banging the Seattle drum.
That’s the other team I was thinking of — the Seahawks could be a dark horse and just need the QB to take them over the top.
Manning to Denver?
Please? I wanna be there when this internet thing explodes.
Would he have to Tebow every TD?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Come on, with Orton???? CRAZY
Helps when you get to play Tim Tebow in the finale and a Raiders team without McFadden.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
true, why would he want to backup Sanchez?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
“A man drink like that and he don’t eat, he is going to DIE.”
“When?”
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
If you can convince Alex Smith to stay and learn from Manning and then take over in two years, I’d do it. Otherwise, I’d rather have Smith. Dude is underrated and can make plays with his legs.
Flacco is just awful.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
fraudiest frauds that ever frauded.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Peyton provides his own protection by getting rid of the ball at a Marino-like pace
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Worst 13 win team ever. Except maybe for the Jim Mora Sr. Colts’ version.
/Sanders’ line
//Pours out a bit
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
49ers would be a good fit. Actually, Kyle Williams would be a good slot guy for Peyton.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Helps when you get to play Tim Tebow in the finale and a Raiders team without McFadden.
Packers game before that. The two blowouts were, in part, Tyler Palko induced situations where he put defense in horrid spots-Jets and Patriots. Well, Patriots would have scored anyway, but the Jets points were bad offense by KC.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
/squints
//rubs eyes
///doesn’t see sarcasm font.
Only way Flacco > Manning they next few years is if Mannings neck keeps him from playing.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
It’s foolish and premature to put Harbaugh in top echelon of coaches. And Schwartz has done a good job of taking a 0-16 team with a lack of talent to 10 wins in a couple years.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
I agree with others, KC would be the best place for Peyton. San Fran needs more offensive talent besides Vernon Davis.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Brad Childress won 12 games once.
/vomits
January 27th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I don’t think that you can bring Manning in without really offending Flacco, and I don’t think you can evaluate if he’s 100% healthy and good to go for the next 3 years without it. If you could guarantee a title, I think you go for Manning (short term over long term, just ask the Celtics), but to sacrifice the next 8-10 years of an above-average (seems to be there now) starter, for 1-3 years of Manning, who isn’t exactly a playoff stud in his own right.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
there’s confidence, and there’s bending over for Harbaugh and taking it in the ass while singing zippitee do dah. Outcoach 80% of the coaches in the league?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
His Colts teams OL were piss poor at times, especially after Glenn retired and Saturday got old.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
49ers would be a good fit. Actually, Kyle Williams would be a good slot guy for Peyton.
He could also bring Reggie Wayne with him who can teach Crabtree a thing or 2 about being a receiver.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Pssh, outlier. They were due to lay an egg.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
That’s my point. Healthy Manning has three good years left. I don’t think you can even try to see if he’s healthy without completely alienating and trading Flacco, and then you might end up with Tony Banks* starting.
/now I feel old
January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Peyton had about 6 years where Reggie Wayne was his #2 receiver. I think his robot brain would compute that Early Doucet is not Reggie Wayne and chuck it to Fitz.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
HEY TBL
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Jim Caldwell was a benching away from 16-0
/chew on that one
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Don’t really agree with that way to widely accepted prevailing thought. Peyton’s defense has sucked for the most part and he was playing in a dominant AFC at the time. Playing against the Pats, Steelers, Ravens and Chargers the past decade would be shitty for any QB.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
If they get Manning and keep Flacco and later find out that Manning can’t go, well if Flacco is that big of a pussy that he wouldn’t be able to play because of his feelings being hurt, then what kind of QB is he in the first place?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
He’s a delusional douche bag anyways. “I always play like this.” um no you fucking dont.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
The kind who looks at Tyler Palko and runs as fast as he can to Delaware.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
What is this top echelon consist of? Belichick, Payton, Coughlin, Mike McCarthy…Mike Tomlin (?), John Harbaugh (?), Rex Ryan (?), Andy Reid (?), Lovie Smith (?).
I don’t think there are that many great coaches in the NFL. I’ll gladly put Jim Harbaugh near that level, and he’s only going to improve.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I don’t get why it has to be just voting for one in those things…seems like if you really wanted to know what’s most popular they should have respondents rank them 1-4 since whatever takes #2 would claim the actual glory here
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
WWOS, nobody’s point is that anything is as popular as football. That addendum didnt make any sense.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Yep, thats a poll I would want to see
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
I don’t think that you can bring Manning in without really offending Flacco, and I don’t think you can evaluate if he’s 100% healthy and good to go for the next 3 years without it. If you could guarantee a title, I think you go for Manning (short term over long term, just ask the Celtics), but to sacrifice the next 8-10 years of an above-average (seems to be there now) starter, for 1-3 years of Manning, who isn’t exactly a playoff stud in his own right.
If think that Flacco is a starter for 8-10 more years, sure. I think that is highly improbable. The guys I cite were basically done at 30. I think you overestimate how long non-elite QB’s tend to play as starters.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
If the NHL was on ESPN, they wouldn’t constantly cock block it and only mention it primarily in a negative light.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Reminded me of a “fun with stats” that a friend brought up:
PLAYOFF WINS IN LAMBEAU FIELD
Eli Manning: 2
Aaron Rodgers: 0
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
PLAYOFF WINS IN LAMBEAU FIELD
Eli Manning: 2
Aaron Rodgers: 0
Woah. I definitely didn’t know that. Very interesting…
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
WWoS: who cares if Flacco is overly sensitive. He’s got a contract and if he wants to get paid, he’ll play well (which for him is slightly above average at times).
Manning is an all-time great who is still in the last few years of his prime. I said it yesterday, I would take a healthy Manning over Ben going forward as a Steeler fan.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
“Jauron became the 12th head coach in Chicago Bears history on January 23, 1999, when he was hired to replace Dave Wannstedt, who was fired after two consecutive 4–12 seasons. Jauron coached the Bears for five seasons (1999–2003), finishing with a 35–45 regular season record and one playoff appearance. He was nicknamed “Dick Jauronstedt” for following in his predecessor’s footsteps and calling only 1 yard pass plays.”
I laughed.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
PLAYOFF WINS IN LAMBEAU FIELD
Eli Manning: 2
Aaron Rodgers: 0
Woah. I definitely didn’t know that. Very interesting…
Aaron Rodgers has only played 1 playoff game at Lambeau… so get that nonsense outta here. Playing with numbers.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Manning should come to Denver so he can run the spread-option.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
80% of the league is roughly six head coaches. Right now, the only coaches I’d take over Harbaugh are:
Belichick
Sean Payton
Mike McCarthy (begrudgingly)
Mike Tomlin (though I think he’s trending down)
Tom Coughlin (proven success)
…
I think he’s at least on the same level of every other coach. I guess some people could prefer Rex or Reid, but I think he’s a better in-game coach at this point (game day decision-making), which is only likely to improve.
Happy to hear other suggestions.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
for 1-3 years of Manning, who isn’t exactly a playoff stud in his own right.
Passer rating in postseason games:
Manning: 90.0
Brady: 86.5
Eli: 86.4
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
No, it’s stupid.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
OT: Those of you who were pitching a shit fit about Tom and Gisele’s new 20,000 sq. ft. mansion should have a gander at this:
http://www.mnn.com/your-home/remodeling-design/blogs/versailles-90000-square-feet-of-wretched-excess-and-shattered-drea?hpt=hp_bn12
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Happy to hear other suggestions.
Coaching is overrated. There’s my suggestion. What do the coaches you listed above all have in common? (cough cough… elite QB… cough).
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Okay I quoted the article you linked… I didn’t add anything. Maybe you should read it all the way through before linking here and getting mad at me.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Playing with numbers.
But, numbers are my friends.
That is one of the bedrock ways sports blog arguments become fun, while being nonsensical at the same time.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
I actually disagree with this.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
That was the point. Lies, damn lies, and statistics, and all that.
Mike Smith
/ducks
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
9-10 record though!
/TBL
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Surprisingly Lisk didn’t mention the elephant and the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Is Peyton going to be healthy enough to play? If a team gambles on him too early and it doesn’t pan out, you have taken better than average situations in Baltimore and SF and blown them all to shit. Would not be a smart move for either team to put their eggs in the Manning basket and risk destroying what they’ve built IMO.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Hey! I was saying it didnt make sense, I realize youre not the one who said it. I read the whole thing. Dickface.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
1. I can only assume this is making fun of me
2. Lovie Smith and Andy Reid are far better coordinators than head coaches
January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Eli is an elite QB? Get out of here with that shit.
/everybody 6 months ago’d
January 27th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Pshhh. I don’t have 8 kids and live in KC.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Eli is an elite QB? Get out of here with that shit.
/everybody 6 months ago’d
To be fair to everybody, he did throw 25 interceptions last year. But he’s playing elite right now, for sure.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
What WR’s? He had none worth even mentioning.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
That Dan Snyder will offer him triple what anybody else does?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
I’m just saying for the most part that ESPN shapes the national sports discussion narrative. It does the NHL no favors what so ever. Not saying it would be as popular as the NBA ratings wise. But NHL ratings and prevalence would be much higher.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
agreed that coaches named Jim whose last name is not Mora are good coaches.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
I would be stunned if Manning agreed to play for human scum like Carroll.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
So he looked bad because his WRs ran the wrong routes/couldn’t get open?
I was still recovering from the Pats backing into the Superbowl, so I didn’t watch it very analytically, but he didn’t seem like he could get rid of the ball or make a decision where to throw it. If someone has access to the all-22 feed and can see his WR’s sucked, I’ll believe it. I don’t have that perspective.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
He has better weapons than Tebow and he turned in a Tebow like performance in the NFC title game. Had two great passes to Vernon Davis and that was it.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
NO! We can only talk about what is happening RIGHT NOW in our analysis!!
/ESPN
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Manning lives in Miami during the off season right…? and they do have a decent to good defense.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
first reason is he’s a harbaugh…second reason is he’s the ravens coach.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Tebow would suddenly start showing up at Avalanche games
January 27th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
January 27th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
It’s a bit of a shame that Mora Sr is more remembered for the “Playoffs” bit than his being a good NFL coach
January 27th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
I’ll have a gander at them tittay’s.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
is scum above or below cardboard cutout on the coaching hierarchy?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
I just can’t see him being on the same page as Brandon Marshall.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
I’ve seen Peyton play outdoors in crappy weather. Stick with a team like San Fran.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Harbaugh’s a good coach — he won at University of San Diego for God’s sake — but he came into the perfect situation: immensely talented team that had been mismanaged badly, won with defense and special teams and didn’t ask Smith to do anything he couldn’t.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I don’t really agree with this, at all. When the Patriots were winning their first three Super Bowls, Brady was not the same player that he is now. He was very good, but now he’s playing at an all-time level.
Belichick has been able to adapt his system to change the identity of the team as Brady has improved and the team has changed. He also won 10 games with Matt Cassel.
To see the impact coaching can have, look at the difference between the 2010 and 2011 Niners. Sure it helps to have an elite QB in the NFL these days, but this idea that coaching is mostly inconsequential is more suited for the NBA.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
NO! We can only talk about what is happening RIGHT NOW in our analysis!!
/ESPN
So after that last game, Brady now sucks?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Last I checked the NHL’s ratings with NBC and Versus were better than they were when they left ESPN/ABC, but that could have changed.
ESPN does not always treat its own properties well in terms of coverage, which is part of why they lost the Champions League rights. They buried highlights and even skipped them for one of the semifinals one year.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
the existence of Mora Jr weighs down the good that Mora Sr did.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Because it rains in Seattle? He won the Super Bowl in the rain. I think he’ll be alright.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
He’s a bum
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
OT: Those of you who were pitching a shit fit about Tom and Gisele’s new 20,000 sq. ft. mansion should have a gander at this:
I’ll have a gander at them tittay’s.
Whoa, Nellie. You’ll poke your eye out with those things.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
you can add Rex Ryan, Andy Reid, and maybe Mike Shanahan to that list. Then, there’s probably a list of 8-10 coaches that are, eh whatever, which is where I’d add both Harbaughs. I know your brilliant coach decided to run the ball only 20 times in a game that went to overtime against a squad rushing with a 4 man front. Even though he has a strong offensive line that imposed its will against that same front in the regular season game they played. Thanks for that.
/blaming it on luck or missed fumbles is easier
//since it is Super Bowl season, maybe Jack can sit Jimmy down in front of the TV and have him watch the highlight shows of the 4 Purple People Eater losses in the 70′s. Then he’ll have a clue on how to attack that kind of defense next time.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Sweet, the climate most similar to Seattle of any team!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
MLB too.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
ESPN does not always treat its own properties well in terms of coverage, which is part of why they lost the Champions League rights. They buried highlights and even skipped them for one of the semifinals one year.
Sounds similar to the way that Fox treats any show it develops that is halfway decent.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
but this idea that coaching is mostly inconsequential is more suited for the NBA.
MLB too.
/fetch
January 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
If Peyton has one great WR and a legit TE, then he’ll be able to make late round or undrafted WR’s into stars. That’s what elite QB’s do.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
nevermind that he’s usually facing elite teams in the playoffs during crappy weather…
January 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Against Rex Grossman.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
/sheds a tear for the inevitable cancellation of Fringe
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Valid point.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
I’m of the belief that hitting coaches only exist to be fired when things are going bad to show the fans changes are being made
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Maybe my expectations for him are too high. When I’ve seen him this year, I haven’t been impressed. He’s more bothered by pressure than he used to be, and gets a little too happy trying to thread the needle on 8 yard passes or going downfield. Intermediate passing game used to be a big deal with Brady, and given they have two great tight ends, I’m surprised not to see more of it. I think not having a stretch WR has hurt them more than most people think.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
lol
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
I’ll take Thomas and Decker over any of SF’s WR’s in the blink of an eye.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
but this idea that coaching is mostly inconsequential
That’s not really what I said. I don’t think it’s inconsequential.. it matters to a degree… and more in CFB… but if you have a shitty QB, you’re not going to win games, no matter how good of a coach you are. I just thought it was telling that the “elite” coaches you listed all had “elite” QB’s.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Have you seen the QB’s in the NFC West? Not exactly a murderers row.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
And takes choice playoff tickets away from Packers fans and gives them to the stars of “Napoleon Dynamite.”
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
You’ll change your tune when Manny Acta overcomes to odds and leads the Tribe to an AL Central crown in 2012.
/Keep hope alive!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
And I’ll admit I was pretty shocked with what Harbaugh did with Smith… I’ll believe it when he does it for more than 1 year though.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
What does Matt Schaub’s contract look like?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Seattle…turf….San Francisco…1994 NFC Championship Game slop..
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
The Ravens have been in the playoffs the last 4 seasons
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
The best Tom Brady I saw was during the second Superbowl run (2003?). Moving around in the pocket (everyone laughed when I said had more pocket presence/mobility than McNabb), scrambling twice a game at critical times, etc. I think getting in an arms war with Peyton has hurt the way the Patriots play.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Really wanna see that, but I have a feeling I’ll be seething with even more populist rage than usual afterward.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
I’ve seen the Niners defense and what it did to his brother.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
I’m of the belief that hitting coaches only exist to be fired when things are going bad to show the fans changes are being made
It’s also becoming the hip new place to stick a retired slugger who meant a lot to the franchise at one point and who can’t see to find something else to do.
/see McGwire, Mark and Bagwell, Jeff.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
big stack of paper, probably bound, courier font most likely…got some seals, some signatures, blue or black ink…not really sure.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Healthy Manning would be in-demand for almost every team in the league.
/my two cents
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Me too, but I won’t take Tebow throwing to them.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
lol
Poflawa?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
No one can tell for sure because it keeps getting ripped.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
The Ravens have been in the playoffs the last 4 seasons
Flacco is a “shitty” QB? I guess you and I have different definitions of that. I’d call him average. Played pretty well last weekend too.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
na…just liked the irony.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
John Skelton is probably the best of the bunch.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
na…just liked the irony.
Oh ok.
/kicks rock
//need some entertainment this afternoon
January 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Not sure if you saw this, but the Patriots are gonna play in the Super Bowl here soon.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
big stack of paper, probably bound, courier font most likely…got some seals, some signatures, blue or black ink…not really sure.
If Spencer isn’t in the starting five among active TBL commenters, I don’t know what to tell you…
/no homo
January 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Found it.
Peyton throwing to Andre Johnson, actually having a running game with an outstanding offensive line and a defensive that is getting better. Depends what they do with Mario Williams I guess.
Just an option. A slightly crazy one, but an option nonetheless. Especially if he wanted to stick it to the Colts.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Yeah every once in a while a good hitting coach can spot an issue and help fix a hole in someones swing or aid in altering a stance or approach at the plate. But honestly, the onus should be on the player to get in the film room and work their ass off to get better like Gwynn used to do.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
Plus he gets to stay in a dome.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
/blushes
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
I thought from your Rex Grossman comment that you were under the impression QB’s only played each other. So does that mean Manning gets credit for winning a Super Bowl in the rain against a really good Bears defense?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
JT O’Sullivan was born to own a chain of sports bars.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
You think Peyton will be okay with being in a run-first offense?
It took me five days, but I’m starting to believe that if everything breaks right the Patriots might have a small chance at winning this game, even.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
WWOS is THE most depressed fan of the Pats ever
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Neither Baltimore of San Fran will work.
Peyton needs to go to a team that when he gets bounced early from the playoffs again, people will be able to say — well, it’s not his fault he dragged another shitty team to the playoffs.
So, yeah — Kansas City makes more sense.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
The rain gets some credit for slowing a defense built on speed and keeping everything in front of it. He played well in that game. Grossman didn’t and Boat Shooter’s fumble really cost the Bears.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Jay Cutler would probably jump at the opportunity to have the weapons SF or Denver have instead of the band of misfits he’s stuck with.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I just really dont see any way he doesnt go to another dome, or to the south
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Peyton throwing to Andre Johnson, actually having a running game with an outstanding offensive line and a defensive that is getting better. Depends what they do with Mario Williams I guess.
Just an option. A slightly crazy one, but an option nonetheless. Especially if he wanted to stick it to the Colts.
The Texans have major cap issues to address. They need to re-sign Myers and extend Foster. And there’s Williams as well. In short, Pey Pey is not an option in Houston.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
This is true. I try to be positive, and then I look back at how bad they have been, and the breaks they have gotten in the opponents they’ve had to get this far, and I go spiraling back down. If they win this year, I’ll have to change my attitude, because that would be a gift of a title.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I’m betting that if they got Peyton Manning in their team they’d work some more pass plays into the gameplan
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I think Peyton will be OK with winning. Kinda like how your QB is OK with winning even if he’s not pleasing fans that want the ball to be thrown down the field like it’s Madden ’12 at the risk of turning the ball over against his less than average defense.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
well then howabout “mitt romney is a pussy.”
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I’d like to see the breakdown of that 90.0. He had 3 out-of-this-world games in the ’03 and ’04 postseasons – 2 against Denver and one at KC in the game where they never punted. I wonder how much those 3 games skew the sample. He wasnt spectacular during the SB run aside from the 2nd half of the Pats game, and those were 4 of his playoff wins right there.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
I thought Manning had a touchdown and 2 interceptions in the Superbowl? They won it with the running game
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
peyton to the browns…maybe that’ll get holmgren to show up.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
IIRC Martz was in love with O’Sullivan and wanted him to start.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Manning to the Titans
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Well if Hank Basket doesn’t let an onside kick bounce off his hands and Reggie Wayne runs the right route, Peyton has two rings
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
You mean the fact that Joe Flacco is the BEST QB you’ve faced since Halloween?
Btw i disagree about Brady, he’s carrying the team with the help of two second-year TE’s and a slot receiver. Their “outside” WR’s and RB’s are among the worst in the league.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
About as much as a couple stinkers will in the opposite direction…such is life when discussing the small sample size of postseason games but that doesn’t stop the lazy talking points
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
He’s the worst.
The worst Jerry.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
well then howabout “mitt romney is a pussy.”
Pretty good article today by Stuart Rothenberg on how Gingrich taking South Carolina hurts the GOP in the long run because it extends the nomination process: http://rothenbergpoliticalreport.com/news/article/what-are-the-chances-of-a-republican-white-knight
January 27th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Yeah right!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
I don’t know…Edge James put up some nice numbers in that offense that Peyton was running.
I never thought of Houston before, but as a Steelers fan, that would scare the shit out of me.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Sounds like Roethlisberger’s first. He redeemed himself in later iterations, but boy was it annoying to listen to Steelers’ fans annoint him as the second coming, after a shitty Superbowl against a crappy team.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Fuck me those were awful. When one of your starting CBs is Roc Alexander, eesh.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
I never thought of Houston before, but as a Steelers fan, that would scare the shit out of me.
I would jizz in my pants each day for a week if we got Manning somehow. But it’s not happening.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
It’s a shame. Pats fans in the commenteriat had a pretty decent repuation here for what most Pats fans are viewed as. You’re pissing in everyone’s apple juice.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
I would dougie in front of my wife all season because shes a Colts fan
January 27th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
New England fans are the worst. Throwing bricks through Bill Russell’s window then going on a title drought until they discovered they had a football team which opened up a can of worms that brought the area how many championships in the 4 major sports over the last 10 years and now, when they get to the Super Bowl it’s like that’s just not good enough.
Cleveland should be allowed to form a militia to just take over the entirety of the six states while pillaging any players they want from the teams.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Ah, Cleet… we will never just hug it out, will we?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Peyton needs to go to a team that when he gets bounced early from the playoffs again, people will be able to say — well, it’s not his fault he dragged another shitty team to the playoffs.
QBs aren’t great until they win the Superbowl. And, excepting that year that his team won the Superbowl, Peyton Manning’s team has never won the superbowl. Therefore, he sucks.
Brees is the greatest QB. Outside of the last two seasons, his team has won all of the Superbowls played in the last three seasons.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
It sounds as if he doesnt even watch every game either.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
That was very much tongue in cheek but I am so sick of WWoS bitching about having a really good football team.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Dude, I enjoy your contributions here except when it comes to the Pats.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
They’re definitely up there with Michigan fan.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
We were coming off a Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Neil O’Donnell, Mike Tomzack, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddux streak. Can you blame us?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
How do you suggest I watch every game out of market when I work 7 days a week? I watch as many as possible when I can find an illegal stream at work.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
I’ll admit that I don’t watch many Texans games, but I see Kubiak’s gameplans playing on the inside of my eyelids when I sleep–you all have to have those rollouts/half-rollouts on the boot action as a huge part of the playbook still, right? Not sure if Peyton, at this point, is better at that than Schaub.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
He is suspended for four games for failing the drug test.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
…and why aren’t you Michigan fan, again? You’re like MichiHio fan.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
yea, it aint good to look indecisive but im not sure i agree with his opinion on needing a white knight this year. if anything, i feel this hesitancy gives the GOP a head start on getting their ducks in a row when it’ll be their’s for the taking in 2016 when a legitimate candidate emerges.
i don’t really see how the GOP’s problems today are that different from the dem’s problems from 2004…”Defeating President Barack Obama should be there for the taking this year.” well yea…so should have defeating GWB in 2004.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
**shudders**
January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
You only do that to make it easier on a QB. Manning wouldn’t need it.
/I can’t believe I’m actually talking about this
January 27th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Pretty sure Gary Kubiak was once John Elway’s QB coach and offensive coordinator. I think he can figure out how to tailor an offense to #18.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Hey dude, you chose your life, dont blame me for it.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
What was his completion%?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
//Writes email to my wife explaining the new 5 year 80 million deal that the Texans gave Manning
///Waits 10 minutes to say SIKE!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
haha i actually fucking did it. She’s going to want to kill someone at work
January 27th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Well, kinda. Your o-line is built to zone block; Chris Meyers (just to pick someone) isn’t going to handle those one-on-ones on Ngata, say, when they know they can bring heat because you’re dropping back.
It’s the same system he used with Steve Young and Elway. It’s what he knows.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Thanks for your comments. I’ll take it under advisement. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that Brady misses some open guys and has gotten to the point where he’s so good he tries to make the perfect throw rather than the easy one. I also don’t feel that it’s unfair to suggest that their opponents have had a lot to do with their statistical resurgence on defense. Their front 7 played great most of the last game. I hope it continues. Their secondary did not, and they are going to have to scheme their way into decent coverage. I’m sorry if it comes across as blind pessimism.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
One thing to remember: ANY team that takes Peyton has to have smart linemen and offensive players. Given how he likes to run the offense/change plays at the line, you can’t have idjits lining up around him.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I’m not blaming you. Out of the two of us, only one of us has a problem with the amount of Patriots games I watch.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
This sounds like a racial slur
January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
/crosses Bears off list
January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
The though of Peyton with a young team like Tampa makes me laugh.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
If you follow that girl who works at ESPN that thinks she’s black that Hernia RT’d a couple months ago and aren’t on the floor laughing right now, I suggest you follow her immediately.
/fist bumps BFFredo
//is this not the funniest shit you have EVER seen!?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
That’s some funny shit TexansFan
January 27th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
That’s the funniest picture I’ll see all day. Ha.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Screenshot of her response(s) or GTFO
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
This just in – no coach has ever had a bad game!
And I agree with you – the Niners were the better team. Should have won.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Well then he can’t remind you of O’Brien. That guy was sacked more often than potatoes.
Great post though. I fully agree that BAL/SF should throw their helmets in the Manning ring, and that Manning should consider contenders with stout defenses.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Im sleeping on the couch tonight
January 27th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
If you follow that girl who works at ESPN that thinks she’s black that Hernia RT’d a couple months ago and aren’t on the floor laughing right now, I suggest you follow her immediately.
/fist bumps BFFredo
//is this not the funniest shit you have EVER seen!?
Oh God. I’d start copy-and-paste her stuff but I think my internship IT would kill me.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Not unfiar to say that, but overall this year if he hasn’t impressed you then I don’t know what to tell you. DO yourself a favor and go back and watch that 90+ yard drive against the Jets in the swamps of Jersey. Only exceptional QBs can engineer shit like that. And despite the TEs being great, his weapons are limited. And the Pats haven’t had their starting C since week one (which Jets fans will convince you makes all the difference in the world). The defense does have extrememly poor personnel in the seconday. BUT they are in teh big game, and definitely have a chance to win it so just take it for what it is. I’m going to be shitting my pants the entire SB Sunday, but at least until I let the froth bomb off in my pants that day I can relax and just root for my team.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Jim is well on his way to surpassing Andy Reid – he already has one home NFC championship game loss to his credt. It took Fat Andy four years to get there.
I suppose the case can be made for Rex Ryan, but he’s been pretty clearly exposed over this past season, which was enjoyable.
And the game has passed Mike Shanahan by, so go right ahead and take him. Jeff Fisher wants in on your upper echelon coaching club as well.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Well I qualified it with ‘what I’ve seen’ because I haven’t seen a ton.
But you are right… I am biased by recent results. I did see that Jets game and remember thinking he was a fucking assassin, and pretty sure I tweeted as much.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
You New England fans want it both ways- Sanchez is terrible, but the Jets’ loss of Mangold meant nothing. Meet me halfway- Sanchez isn’t good, but Mangold is a very important piece of the Jets offense, and maybe the most important in some situations, such as facing exotic fronts and blitzes from a team like Baltimore, or a team with physical interior lineman like Oakland.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
NO.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Jet fans were talking about Rex Ryan after his 1st season the same way Niner fans are talking about Harbaugh now. Went to a Conference Championship game and lost. But he had a crappier QB and did so on the road. Lets see what Harbaugh does the next few years before we add him to the ranks of the best coaches. Not saying he isn’t, just needs to prove it over time.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
No, people wanted it both ways when they weren’t accounting for Koppen going down week 1. The loss of Mangold did make a difference, but so did Koppen going out and Connelly having to shift to center.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Oh God. I’d start copy-and-paste her stuff but I think my internship IT would kill me.
which chick is this? I only follow the espn girl with the gambling that TBL has a crush on.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
yea, it aint good to look indecisive but im not sure i agree with his opinion on needing a white knight this year. if anything, i feel this hesitancy gives the GOP a head start on getting their ducks in a row when it’ll be their’s for the taking in 2016 when a legitimate candidate emerges.
He’s not saying they need one, he’s saying that there’s an opening for one because the cycle is so unorthodox.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Whatever. My point is that losing Mangold was a bigger deal to the Jets than the Koppen loss was for New England. The same way that losing Brady would deal a far greater blow to New England than losing Sanchez would for the Jets.
And furthermore, can’t you all leave us Jet fans alone for the next two weeks? It’s bad enough we have to deal with a NYG/NE Superbowl- AGAIN!- so just enjoy being on the grand stage without further shots at the green and white. You may commence with shit talk in February.
Thanks in advance for your consideration and cooperation…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:21 PM
oh ok…i misunderstood. i saw bobby jindal’s name come up and just started laughing because i remembered how goofy he sounds when he’s talking. mustve gotten distracted.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
I will lighten up a lot on talking shit about the Jets, but not all the way. I mean, it’s kind of hard not to mention them leading up to the Super Bowl when Rex was so confident they were going to be in this game.
/okay that was my last shot until after the game
January 27th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
No, I don’t blame you there. That’s fair game all year round. I’ve never liked that aspect of his style, except when it’s playful shit like challenging Channing Crowder to elicit harmless laughs. No true Jet fan likes all of that, especially since it’s a further embarrassment to us for our coach to guarantee victory when it’s eluded us for…43 seasons now! Win a couple and then talk, even though I’m not a proponent of that either, and wasn’t when I was playing ball coming up…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
I’m curious as to what is being said, and I even took some time to try and figure out who you’re referring to, but I’m guessing I’ll just be disappointed when I finally see the tweets because it really won’t be THAT funny.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Fine with this but I like his upside.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Passer rating in postseason games:
Manning: 90.0
Brady: 86.5
Eli: 86.4
If we’re going to play this game:
Brees: 103.9 (includes one postseason game with SD)
January 27th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
I gotta believe that if you’re Pey-Pey, and could be paralyzed with one hard hit, the order of importance is:
1. best o-line
2. best WR
3. Best D
January 27th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
This. Or kill myself.
But seriously, suggesting that Flacco should be dumped for an injured, aging Manning is one of the dumbest things I’ve read on this site.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
I could see this happening with the Ravens. Not the Niners. I am now an Alex Smith Acolyte. Miracles do happen.
Other places it would be better for Manning to land: Seattle, the Jets, Houston (if Schaub can’t fully recover). Maybe even Miami.
Wouldn’t it be something to see Houston win a Super Bowl with Peyton at the controls?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
I don’t get the dichotomy of the hate of Flacco with the love affair with Matt Ryan when they’re basically the same QB.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
De Nial flows in San Francisco I see.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Neither do I, though I suspect it has something to do with a universal hatred for Baltimore matched with universal apathy towards Atlanta.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Link?
I would describe most peoples view of Ryan as indifferent.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
The TV side slobs Matt Ryan’s knob like he’s an elite QB. Flacco gets collectively shit on at every opportunity despite being better and more successful than that checkdown-throwing dome QB who has never won a playoff game.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
I’m not hearing about “Matty Ice” on every tv,radio,print, and blog Football story because people are indifferent.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Link?
January 28th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
fuck Matty Ice and the media fawning over him.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:45 PM
The link is flowing down that river in San Francisco, De Nial.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:56 PM
As good as this joke is, I prefer hearing you wax poetically about the corners of Rob Gronkowski’s mouth.
January 30th, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Please. Montana did nothing in KC other than beat Elway in a MNF game (when Elway had, yet again, an inferior team) and get a lucky win in a playoff game.