The NFL Wants London to Be the New Los Angeles, So the Rams Will Play Regular Home Games There Over the Next Three Years
The NFL and the St. Louis Rams announced this morning that the Rams will play a home game in London in each of the next three years. Ordinarily, an announcement of who is playing in London in a given year is mild trivia, and the game then comes and goes. However, the league has alternated teams in the past. Only Tampa Bay, with owner Malcolm Glazer owning Manchester United, have made multiple appearances, and not in consecutive years.
The Rams playing in London three straight years is no coincidence. The lease runs up in St. Louis (if the stadium situation is not in the top 25% in the league) after the 2014 season, the year of the final London trip. The league is also taking away a home game from St. Louis for each of these seasons, and potentially one of the most attractive ones, as they want a marquee franchise opposite the Rams. New England is the 2012 opponent, so actual Rams fans won’t get to see Tom Brady.
Goodell wants to move a team to London, and getting teams to become more regular visitors would “lead us to what we ultimately would like to do — have a franchise here in London.” I’ve already said my piece on a move to London, as it would be a dreadful decision from a logistical and competitive standpoint to have one team as far away from all the other teams as they are from each other.
It looks like St. Louis, and their unstable stadium situation, is the target. The question is, who is the real target city on the other end? The NFL is all about using leverage in the form of threats of relocation to obtain public funding. The threat of Los Angeles may be just as good as having a team in Los Angeles for owners seeking new stadiums. After Los Angeles, the next most viable domestic markets are probably San Antonio, Las Vegas, or Memphis, none of which provide larger fan bases than existing locations.
With multiple teams in need of stadium deals, and the threat of Los Angeles teetering, this London talk is the next best thing to create leverage. And what better way to create that talk than by putting one of the most vulnerable teams on a consistent schedule in London “to build fan support.” Now, San Diego can still use the threat of Los Angeles as well (the Chargers have the oldest stadium situation in the league, far older than St. Louis), and new Jacksonville owner Shahid Kahn still has multiple options to use. The threat of LA also has the Minnesota community scrambling for a solution to the stadium issue, though nothing is certain yet. The Rams would seem a logical return fit to LA given their history, but those other teams might sweeten their deal as well.
It looks like Los Angeles will get a team within the next four years, and when they do, the league will need a new 700 pound Gorilla to hold over communities to get stadium deals. They are given it a test run across the Pond with the Rams for the next three years, and want taxpayers in Jacksonville, Minnesota, San Diego and all other cities to take notice.
[photo via Getty]

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January 20th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Honestly I would consider just bailing on the sport if they ended up moving a team there.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
When I think NFL I think London. Though I am happy I missed the roundup and conversations about Northface fleeces.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
It’s all about the fans!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
as it would be a dreadful decision from a logistical and competitive standpoint
yeah… having a team fly west at least (5? 6 hours?) for 8 games a year seems very unfair.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
to make it feasible they would need to add more than 1 team over there, maybe even up to 4 and create a new division.
That way you are able to keep those teams on a similar division schedule and the number of teams that have to travel across the atlantic to play are limited.
but that still doesn’t make sense in the grand scheme of things, and only doing one team is just as silly.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and this decision to have an NFL team in London tap dances on both sides of that line. I can’t possibly see this working….but hey, it ain’t my money.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Though I am happy I missed the roundup and conversations about Northface fleeces. King Grizz
Missed it too. Any discussion of teabagging?
Also, nobody can convince me the guy in that picture doesn’t diddle little kids.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Is this seriously what the NFL is trying to do? Do they honestly think that putting one of the worst teams in London once a year for three straight years will build a fan base? That’s lunacy.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Poor caption.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
No real surprise here. The NFL is better at better at leveraging its monopoly power to extort money than the mafia.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Not to mention that St. Louis plays in the NFC West. There’s nothing Western about England.
/CFB argument
January 20th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
it’s the same line of thought that goes behind broadcasting the announcement of NFL awards and assuming people will watch the pro bowl b/c it’s the NFL.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
this is just a stupid bullshit thing to do, if in fact they do it.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Stay strong, St. Louie, and give Fidel Goodell the finger.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Also, nobody can convince me the guy in that picture doesn’t diddle little kids.
Its the mustache
January 20th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Unbelievably, people actually gamble on the Pro Bowl.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Lisk, did you forget to mention Stan Kroenke following this? You put his picture there so I know you know his deal. It’s even less a coincidence because Kroenke owns the Rams and the largest share in London’s most popular soccer team*.
*Not counting all the “die hard” Man U fans that live in London, of course.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Move STL to Chicago, team 2.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Saints fans lost their one chance to see Ladainian Tomlinson in his prime for the same reason. They were not happy about it.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
That way you are able to keep those teams on a similar division schedule and the number of teams that have to travel across the atlantic to play are limited.
yeah.. but the team in london would still be at a huge disadvantage with 8 road games no closer than 6 hours away. And what if they have to play on the west coast? that’s what, a 10 or 11 hour flight?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
by “people” you mean “degenerate gamblers”
January 20th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Unbelievably, people actually gamble on the Pro Bowl.
/team over
//every year
January 20th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
They should put teams in Darfur, Tehran, Bangkok, Baghdad, Tripoli, Beirut and Seoul. That would be interesting. Hell, create a world wide minor league NFL for all those poor slaves that have been taken advantage of and forced to play college football.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Did Tebow get added to the team yet?
/team NFC
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Pretty much. It’s Friday and there is too much tea bagging talk going on ’round here and I was trying to be nice.
/waiting patiently for happy hour
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
This is absurd.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
With their attendance, I’m sure they were pushing to be the team selected.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Unbelievably, people actually gamble on the Pro Bowl.
Can’t you gamble on preseason baseball too? That’s worse.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
well, those logistics are crazy, you’d have to do the US road games in 4 game sets, and if you add another division to at least keep the European teams in country for a reasonable amount of time, you would also have to add another division on the US as well to keep it balanced.
i really have no idea how they can do this, i don’t see a london based team thriving in any way in the long term.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
charles bronson DEMANDS there be NFL games in london.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
i really have no idea how they can do this, i don’t see a london based team thriving in any way in the long term.
not too mention.. are players really going to want to play over there? when all their endorsements/family/friends are over here…?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
What’s that movie with Bronson being hunted by Lee Marvin in the snow? Kill something…
January 20th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Hey ma, how ’bout some cookies?
No dice.
This … ain’t ovah.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
If they really wanted to do this right, they would do a Redskins/Cowboys game every year or something similar. But something tells me that Jerry and Danny would lose their minds if they got picked. So it’s going to be the shit teams who can’t draw every year.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
if russians played football, they’d dominate the sport in a decade.
10 lineman, one back…no retreat.
then again, russia might have their plans shot from the get go since they’d have roster limits.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Unbelievably, people actually gamble on the Pro Bowl.
Can’t you gamble on preseason baseball too? That’s worse.
Bet WBNA favorites.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
LOL. Look at Janoff’s next post.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
also, if you do hypothetically move St. Louis to London you have to reshuffle the other divisions to get the St. Louis team playing in an East Coast division.
rivalries aside, the Cowboys could be moved to the NFC west, the London team put in the NFC East… or put the London team in the AFC east move the Texans to the NFC West, and the Dolphins to the AFC South.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
link?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
the next most viable domestic markets are probably San Antonio, Las Vegas, or Memphis
Toronto.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Moscow Marauders, Saint-Pete Pussy Pounders etc.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Jackson, Mississippi has a better chance of getting an NFL franchise than the Cowboys have of getting moved out of the NFC East.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Memphis
Didn’t support an expansion team their first year in town (titans before they moved to nashville). TN doesn’t need two NFL franchises.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Yep. Just like in hockey.
Oh wait.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
kiev gulag shivs
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
LOL. Look at Janoff’s next post.
Never heard of him.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Not to mention a pretty high tax structure.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
The two best NHL players “currently” playing in the world are from the Motherland.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Yep. Just like in hockey.
But, but, all those Olympic gold medals!!!!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Ugh, I don’t even want to play this “what if?” game.
Could the players union block a team permanently moving to London? They’d be able to block conference restructuring, correct?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Our top story: Tom Brady “commits suicide” the night before the New England/Moscow game.
/Russian mob stereotype
//every cop show’d
January 20th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
i seem to remember the soviet team having some minor successes.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
i seem to remember the soviet team having some minor successes.
Pro hockey players should beat cast-offs and underage players. Except for that one time.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Third team in New Jersey!
/MLB
January 20th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Michigan/Notre Dame tonight on NBCSN. I may have to check it out to see how Riley Sheahan is progressing.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
they might be able to block or put up a huge fight about moving a team, but an expansion team I doubt they have any say in blocking. that is something they would probably like b/c it creates another 53 active roster jobs.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Wow, not even the authors read the posts. Impressive
January 20th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Belfast Bombers
Berlin Blitz(kreig)
Paris Appeasement
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Putting a team in Berlin would work better from local fan support. Obviously that is not something the nfl concerns itself with.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
philip rivers signs with the RSKA in the jewish autonomous oblast for twenty years and $700 million.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
And yet, zero gold medals and an embarrassing performance in Vancouver.
They’ll win in Sochi though. HOME COOKIN CITY.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Did he have hands? Did he have a face? Yes? Then it wasn’t us. Idiot!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
This is a fallacy. The Rams were not blacked out at all this season, even though the team provided such a putrid product on the field. There is not a lack of fan support in St. Louis, this is about money, market size, and trying to extort the region into building a new stadium even though the existing stadium isn’t yet 20 years old.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
tom brady, he ordered the girls, drank too much of the vodka, had some pills, and he die. happen all the time in Russia. very sad.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Dresden Fire
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Moskva Molotovs.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
i thought the russian team smoked the NHL all stars.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Entire Omsk team killed from bomb underneath bus on way to game. Owner collect insurance money.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
That one time makes the Summit Series look like a pond hockey victory in Nova Scotia.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
/runs for cover
January 20th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
I’m actually going to that game tomorrow.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Since when is Canada the motherland? Or Sweden for that matter?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
God damn it. Now I’m reading every comment in the Yuri voice.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Ben Roethlisberger detained for sexual assault of underage girl, sentenced 25 years to life of hard labor in Siberia on the eve of the playoff game with the Moscow Warheads
January 20th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
wtf? cmon…we all know that, not only would this never happen, but the oligarch who owns that team most likely has his own prostitution and human trafficking ring.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I’ll give you Toews. He’s amazing and in the discussion. I always knew your real man crush was on the Sedin’s.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I really think Dirt should make this his new gravatar.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
this good voice, no? it baritone wrapped in the velvet.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Thats so awesome.. I’m excited to actually be able to watch the Hockey East playoffs on TV this year. Long live NBC Sports.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Now I’m going to do his teeth and cut off his fingers. You might want to leave room.
/puts out his cigarette on tongue
January 20th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
I just looked at the past few years attendance, and they were anywhere from 26-30th in per game attendance, averaging around 86% capacity. If the NFL were to guarantee them more money for those three years, I don’t think their arms were being twisted by the league.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Pavel is amazing, definitely top 5 in the world. I’ll give the Sedins credit for being very good at hockey but not much else. Especially when they open their fat traps. Never seen two guys who appear to be relatively intelligent be so completely oblivious about what they say and when they say it. It’s an epidemic with that entire team.
But yeah, right now I’ve got Toews as top in the world in terms of active players. I’ll take your homer barbs, too. He’s still the best.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
/waiting for Jersey to respond to my ND comment
January 20th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
i thought the russian team smoked the NHL all stars.
Not in ’72.
/spits
January 20th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
I caught a reference to the Wire. Yay, I’m cool now (and white)
January 20th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Especially when they open their fat traps. Never seen two guys who appear to be relatively intelligent be so completely oblivious about what they say and when they say it. It’s an epidemic with that entire team.
/straps on Indian headdress
//adjusts rose colored monocle
January 20th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
///adjusts red Maple Leaf crest on sweater
////feeds orca
January 20th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
But yeah, right now I’ve got Toews as top in the world in terms of active players. I’ll take your homer barbs, too. He’s still the best.
Based on?
/Spezza is having a better year than Toews.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Oh and can we please get rid of the 3 pt game? Shit’s ridiculous. At least only award a point to each team after the 5 min OT. To many teams play just to get to OT and that 1 point.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Yeah I’m sorry that list is:
1. Malkin
And goes from there.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
horrible franchise.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
I just don’t see how a team in London would be a good thing.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
OH HELL NO. There’s more to being a hockey player than point totals. You should know this.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
For example, having an arbitrary cutoff point in point total arguments to make your team’s injury problems look worse than they are.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
It’d be nice if the North East division wasn’t such a cakewalk for the Nucks. Thanks Minnesota…
January 20th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
OH HELL NO. There’s more to being a hockey player than point totals. You should know this.
And yet you direct me to faceoff %’s? Surprised you didn’t link takeaways as well.
Toews is playing easier minutes, with lesser teammates and providing less productivity.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Hawkeye what’d this mean?
Wow, not even the authors read the posts.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Geno is carrying the Penguins. He’s still quite average in the dot and not nearly as solid of a backchecker as #19.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Looks like I won’t have a horse in that race. WTF happened to UNH???
/anyone else secretly hoping that Janoff’s post is 90% copy-pasted from Lisk’s post?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
/should say Toews with better teammates.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
/waits for SG to jump in so i can yell at her for talking hockey like she yells at me for talking golf
January 20th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Yeah, let’s blame the player for what shifts he comes out for. Crock of fucking shit that is.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
You see Patrick Kane play in the last month? Obviously not.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
i see the worst commissioner in professional sports is busy securing that label for another few years…
he’s basically gift-wrapped the easiest job in America and he can’t help but to try and fuck it up.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Kane looked hungover as fuck in that game last weekend against the Wings. Or perhaps it was the game the weekend before. Whatever game was at noon.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
OMG! TWO LESS POINTS! IN TWO LESS GAMES PLAYED! OH NOES! Guess being 2nd in the league in goals is less productivity.
Any more holes you’d like me to shoot?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
/porn cameraman
January 20th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
You’re the only person I like to bicker with, Spencer. I stay as far away from those two as possible.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
You see Patrick Kane play in the last month? Obviously not.
Spezza turned near 40 year Alfreddsson and a guy with one knee into all-stars.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
+/- might be flawed but I’m pretty sure having a difference of FOURTEEN between two guys says something about overall play.
I can keep going.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
When Toews turns James Neal into this generation’s Robbie Brown, call me.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Any more holes you’d like me to shoot?
Holes? You’ve cited faceoffs and the fact Kane is in a minor slump. Try harder.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
AND THERE IT IS +/-. Next it’ll be shot quality.
Everyone drink.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Ben Lovejoy is the greatest defender in minor league hockey history according to +/- …
January 20th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
And Toews turned Viktor Stalberg into a 14-14 player when he’s shown little ability to be able to finish in his first couple years in the Show.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Datsyuk plays with a lazy mule with a lot of quit in him. And has resurrected Bertuzzi’s career.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
You guys better not drive people to move on to the Janoff post. I swear… for every comment he gets
January 20th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
And Toews turned Viktor Stalberg into a 14-14 player when he’s shown little ability to be able to finish in his first couple years in the Show.
So then he’s not playing with Kane? There goes one of your holes.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
The game at Fenway was sooo awesome, btw
January 20th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
He’s playing with Kane and Stalberg. Watching the games might help you win this argument.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Drew Brees signs with the Dubai Shieks.
8 years, 150 trillion dollars
January 20th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I bet. I was very jealous of anyone there.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
interesting that a football post has turned into a hockey thread.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Drew Brees signs with the Dubai Shieks.
Dubai is broke. Right?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
To be fair, it’s the Rams and the NFL in London, neither of which are relevant to real football.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
He’s playing with Kane and Stalberg. Watching the games might help you win this argument.
I’ve watch 10+ Hawks games and 10+ Senators games. Long-term of course I want Toews. This year, Spezza is better.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
/waits for SG to jump in so i can yell at her for talking hockey like she yells at me for talking golf
it’s a gentleman’s sport; show some respect.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Yep.
Qatar and Emirates have the money now.
Until they go broke.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
lol…glad you picked up on the sarcasm.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
It looks like they have Glamour Shots in Geman malls.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
This is so ridiculous. Jason Spezza? JASON SPEZZA?! We’re really having this discussion? No one in their right mind would say that Jason Spezza is a better hockey player than Jonathan Toews. This is arguing to argue. AGAIN.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Man, if a sound business plan like building islands in the shape of the world and putting luxury housing on them doesn’t work, what hope is there for the rest of us.
/in case you ever wondered why gas prices are so high
January 20th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
I believe he said Spezza’s having a better SEASON.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
By Emirates I meant other Emirates. Mainly Abu Dhabi.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Trust him… he’d know.
/starts blathering about Boston residents beating their wives
January 20th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Splooge.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Dubai is broke. Right?
Not broke, but their loans for infrastructure went crazy when foreign companies started fleeing in 2008-09 when those companies were going broke. The UAE though stepped in and bailed out Dubai of a large chunk of its loans though.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Why are they so high?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
I believe he said Spezza’s having a better SEASON.
What this guy said.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Dubai doesn’t have the oil, that’s the rest of the UAE. However, Dubai is building itself into the Middle East’s financial hub.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Qatar has tons of dough.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Dubai doesn’t have the oil, that’s the rest of the UAE. However, Dubai is building itself into the Middle East’s financial hub.
And skiing destination.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
This year I’ll take the guy that’s crushing the league in faceoffs, 2nd in goals and 11th in total points. He’s doing it against whoever his coach puts him out there against. I’m also not going to fault him for having a competent general manager.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
this blows my mind…sounds like royal rumble of interests.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Qatar Fish.
/CUTTLEFISH!!!
January 20th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Clearly I pay a ton of attention. However, without interrupting this fascinating discussion of Spezza vs. Toews, can someone explain how Dubai got so much money without any oil?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
Pfft, you can get that in Jersey.
/almost
January 20th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
/the more you know
//rainbows
January 20th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Great Read On Dubai
Think it was posted on TBL before…
January 20th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
This year I’ll take the guy that’s crushing the league in faceoffs
Stop citing faceoffs, it ruins any argument you have.
I’m also not going to fault him for having a competent general manager.
Has zero to do with the conversation – especially considering he’s a Tallon holdover.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I’m not saying the league is behind this at all. It’s quite obvious that this is Stan Kroenke trying to increase his leverage against St. Louis.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
can someone explain how Dubai got so much money without any oil?
they used to have it… they’re running out. I think.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
/the more you know
//rainbows
Dubai was one of the first Middle Eastern countries to have its oil reserves depleted. That forced them to expand into other areas. Which clearly they’ve done with relish.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
It’s not that they don’t have oil, it’s that it’s going to be gone by 2030 so they decided in the early 2000′s to move from oil exporting to a real estate and development based economy.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Yeah and he talks real good too. Never opens his fat trap, never says anything stupid.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Can’t imagine why.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
This is fucking stupid.
But I thought he played with better teammates? Is Johnny signing guys to contracts too? Well shit, I guess that enhances my argument.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
When I want some useless chemistry information that I have no interest in, I’ll be sure to ask you next WWoS. Your homeland is still #1 two years running in domestic abuse too. Glad to see it gets under your skin.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
Mike Zigomanis was robbed of the Hart on several occasions.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
This is fucking stupid.
You’re right. I guess I’ll focus on faceoffs/takeaways and just copy/paste Katiebakes posts to make my MVP arguments from now on.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
It’s not that they don’t have oil, it’s that it’s going to be gone by 2030 so they decided in the early 2000′s to move from oil exporting to a real estate and development based economy.
Whether it’s gone or going to be gone in the not so distant future, surely we can agree that real estate and property development are bubbles with nowhere to go but up, right?
January 20th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
But they’re in trouble because of the financial crisis. Something like a quarter of all buildings in Dubai are vacant.
Abu Dhabi however is mother fucking ROLLING in the cash and has enough carbon resources that they are expanding in the ways that Dubai did but also have the backbone of fuels to protect from a bust.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Someone needs a tummy rub.
/not my homeland
//in NH we just live free or die, and we fucking mean it
///cocks shotgun, nods at Bear
January 20th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
Abu Dhabi however is mother fucking ROLLING in the cash and has enough carbon resources that they are expanding in the ways that Dubai did but also have the backbone of fuels to protect from a bust.
And to think that Abu Dhabi used to be so synonymous with “barren wasteland” that Garfield kept trying to mail Nermal there.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Dubai also is among the more Westernized cities in the Middle East, so you don’t have to fear being thrown in prison like you would if you did anything out of the ordinary in Saudi Arabia.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Something like a quarter of all buildings in Dubai are vacant.
That’s nothing!
–Detroit
January 20th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Beat me to is on the Nermal reference
January 20th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
/unbuckles seat belt
//doesn’t pay taxes on income or sales
January 20th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Dubai also is among the more Westernized cities in the Middle East, so you don’t have to fear being thrown in prison like you would if you did anything out of the ordinary in Saudi Arabia.
Unless you go into debt. Or are one of the slaves (migrant workers treated and paid like shit) that built the city. Other than that, it’s pretty westernized.
(I see what your saying though… it’s not batshit crazy with it’s religious laws like Saudi Arabia.. towards westerners anyway…)
January 20th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
I believe a British couple was arrested for banging on a beach in Dubai a few years ago… caused quite the hullabaloo.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
it’s not batshit
*its
January 20th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
They want two teams in LA- especially given the costs and the number of franchises with iffy stadium situations going forward- and they don’t want to have to realign the divisions. They’d also want one from each conference, so I’d put my money on San Diego/Oakland and St. Louis. Oakland probably drops out due to the earlier LA experiment, and the idea that after Al Davis’ passing they’re more likely to accept a partner situation with San Francisco. I think San Diego/St. Louis makes sense, given history and logistics. But can the same city really host two “dark blue and gold” teams? Probably not, which opens the window for San Diego to go back to the powder blues full time.
/New Yorker’s three cents
January 20th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Deadspin posted the Alabama teabagger mugshot. Gotta be a tough way to be a registered sex offender. On the plus side, if he lives in Alabama, he’ll get a lot of high fives going door-to-door warning the neighbors of his presence.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Dubai also is among the more Westernized cities in the Middle East, so you don’t have to fear being thrown in prison like you would if you did anything out of the ordinary in Saudi Arabia.
It is westernized, but you still have to watch your ass a little. My father did some business in Dubai a few years ago before the economy went to shit. He said that even in the western hotels booze is in a limited supply and that even secular government officials generally don’t drink in public, if at all.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Just saying that I wouldn’t mind going to Dubai as a tourist. Would be pretty crazy to see that city.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
I don’t necessarily disagree, but your logic leaves some explanation to be desired.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Just saying that I wouldn’t mind going to Dubai as a tourist. Would be pretty crazy to see that city.
PLEASE read the article I posted. And don’t give them any of your business/money.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
money and freedom are enough of a drug for the arab elite.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Only had time to read half, but it’s fascinating/sad. I hate everything about that ridiculous spending culture (and ours, too) so I was never in danger of going.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
I’m hoping to go to Doha in the next year because I’ll have family there. I want to see this money in action.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
I read it originally, trust me, not planning on going anywhere, but should people not visit the Pyramids of Giza or the Great Wall since they were built on slave labor? Pretty sure the people who built a lot of the most famous building in the world weren’t exaclty being paid their fair share.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Well, the Rams’ history in LA- the first team to move west- and their move mostly based on a detached owner. From what I’ve read, attendance dropped because the team was poor, but also because of them playing in the Big A which had terrible sight lines for football.
As for the Raiders, I think that ESPN 30 for 30 sums up the feelings of a return to LA. They belong in the Bay Area anyway. The Chargers were born in LA, and really, whether they play in LA or SD is not much of an issue logistically (for local fans at least).
January 20th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
I read it originally, trust me, not planning on going anywhere, but should people not visit the Pyramids of Giza or the Great Wall since they were built on slave labor? Pretty sure the people who built a lot of the most famous building in the world weren’t exaclty being paid their fair share.
Are you really comparing Dubai and it’s ski-scrapers and fake ski hills built in an era with advanced human rights and the freaking pyramids??
January 20th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I read it originally, trust me, not planning on going anywhere, but should people not visit the Pyramids of Giza or the Great Wall since they were built on slave labor? Pretty sure the people who built a lot of the most famous building in the world weren’t exaclty being paid their fair share.
I wore a smirk on my face every second I was at Mt. Vernon. It was my silent protest against the fact that Washington owned slaves.
/no I really didn’t
January 20th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Having lived and worked in London for a stint, I can tell you that Londoners care about the NFL as much as the local St. Louis fan cares about the Premier League. In other words, they have no idea what it is.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Are you really comparing Dubai and it’s ski-scrapers and fake ski hills built in an era with advanced human rights and the freaking pyramids??
While I agree that we have a very different conception of ‘human rights’ today versus 1,000 years ago, his analogy is not completely ridiculous.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
GENTRIFICATION, MOTHER FUCKER
January 20th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
No, just trying to bring a tangential point in. The explotation of people for the amusement of those in the higher classes has gone on for millenia, nothing shocks me at this point. Just like Dubai, every electronics company in the world has a bunch of 12-14 years olds building our stuff in sweatshops in China making dollars a day working 16 hours straight. Should we go back to a pre-electronics era then?
January 20th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I’m pretty sure a child laborer harvested the cotton in the Egyptian cotton shirt I’m wearing today. Egyptian cotton is really fucking comfortable.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Should we go back to a pre-electronics era then?
YES!
/lights candle
January 20th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Almost all of the early Presidents were slaveholders, except for John and John Quincy Adams. Jefferson was banging his slaves, Andrew Jackson had a small army of them.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
That made me think of the slave puppets in Tales from the Hood that come to life and kill a honky. Then I laughed. Then I felt slightly racist. Then I laughed some more.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Almost all of the early Presidents were slaveholders, except for John and John Quincy Adams. Jefferson was banging his slaves, Andrew Jackson had a small army of them.
And that’s why I refuse to use any currency which contains a president who owned slaves.
Funny story about Andrew Jackson, he made Constitutional loopholes cool way before any modern day President did. He was nicknamed King Andrew I for a reason.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Yeah? Well Poland was wiped from the map for about 125 years.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
I’m assuming you read “American Lion”? It was really well written, but I still enjoyed John Adams and Team of Rivals more. Once I’m done Game of Thrones, I’m going to finally read Theodore Rex.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
I actually haven’t read American Lion yet. It’s on my bookshelf and my “to read” pile.
You’ll enjoy Theodore Rex. Edmund Morris is supposed to be working on his third biography of Roosevelt which covers his post-presidential years.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
That’s the basis for The Ghost and The Darkness, right?
Great film.
January 20th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
That’s the basis for The Ghost and The Darkness, right? Great film.
/stands
//applauds
January 20th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
My God but that’s a deep Garfield reference.
January 20th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Easily one of my favorite sentences ever constructed.
January 20th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
This a great move to solidify the NFL’s growing overseas audience — in 2000.
Probably sooner than that. And they’re called the Raiders.
January 20th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
The Corbin Bernsen character, based on David Duke.
Tales From the Hood is a great horror movie. Clarence Williams III rocks.
January 20th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
I’m hoping to go to Doha in the next year because I’ll have family there. I want to see this money in action.
Doha is a cool town. Hit the Galleria Mall and check out the “waffle cone” hotel. Also, the Museum of Islamic Art is impressive.