Aaron Rodgers is the Most Valuable Player Based on How He Has Played and Historic Precedent
Aaron Rodgers, as you may know, is my choice for the MVP of the National Football League. I talked about how he was having a historically great season earlier, and also how the MVP race wasn’t really a race a few weeks ago. Then Drew Brees happened – or I should say the pursuit of milestones happened with Drew Brees. This is not to diminish Drew Brees, who is a sure Hall of Famer and one of the best quarterbacks of the last decade.
I have no problem with Brees going for yardage record late in the game against Atlanta. The Falcons just went for it on fourth down, so they thought the game was in doubt and were still trying. Those yards and the touchdown did little to impact winning, though. Most teams would have run the ball there if not chasing a number. Last week, the fourth quarter touchdown pass that gave him the league lead and allowed him to surpass Rodgers, happened with the Saints already up 38-17. At that point, the Saints were locked into the third seed, and there was no benefit to playing Brees other than establishing the record.
It’s fine to put up those marks, by the way. I have no problem with that happening. I have a problem with then taking those marks as the impetus to now make Brees the MVP over Aaron Rodgers. This isn’t baseball. Raw totals aren’t as vaunted. Did you actually know the exact yardage that Marino had in 1984 before last week? We have not had some grand chase with media following Brees around, like with McGwire and Sosa in 1998. It was a one night event last Monday to see if he could break a record, before Brady and Stafford.
The MVP of the National Football League has never been about specific milestones, at least at the quarterback position (you can make a case that Shaun Alexander won because of the touchdown record in 2005). It’s also never been about raw totals and who had the most volume. I went back through every quarterback who was selected MVP or co-MVP since the 1978 season, when the league went to 16 games. I looked at where the MVP ranked relative to his peers in a variety of categories: total pass attempts, total passing yards, total passing touchdowns, completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, interception percentage, sack rate, passer rating, and adjusted net yards per attempt rating (yards per attempt minus sack yards, with adjustments for value of touchdowns and interceptions).
I don’t think the voters do a specific look at these categories necessarily, but it does show what measures (and what the measures reflect about the player) are more important in MVP voting.
Here’s the order, from best average rank to worst, of the ten categories
- Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt (avg. rank: 1.7)
- Passer Rating (avg. rank: 1.8)
- Touchdown Pass Percentage (avg. rank: 2.5)
- Total Touchdown Passes (avg. rank: 2.5)
- Yards Per Pass Attempt (avg. rank: 2.6)
- Completion Percentage (avg. rank: 3.2)
- Total Passing Yards (avg. rank: 3.9)
- Interception Rate (avg. rank: 5.4)
- Sack Rate (avg. rank: 6.7)
- Total Pass Attempts (avg. rank: 7.3)
As we can see, the total number of passes is relatively unimportant in MVP voting. Only twice has the MVP also led the league in pass attempts (Marino, 1984; Gannon, 2002), while over half (14) have ranked outside the top 5 in pass attempts. In football, passing well can often result in playing with the lead, which in turn results in usually passing less late. Voters account for this, and rate stats reign supreme. Total Passing Yards also ranks toward the bottom: Only 6 of the 24 led the league in yards.
At the other end, the MVP is usually the player with the best passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt rating, and if not the leader, they are usually close to the leader. Four guys won the award win not leading in passer rating: Theismann in 1983 (he was a close 2nd), Elway in strike-shortened 1987 season (5th), Montana in 1990 (4th), and Peyton Manning three times (2003 as co-MVP with McNair, who was 1st in passer rating, and in 2008 (5th) and 2009 (6th).
So, let’s size up the candidates in the categories, from what has been most to least important for past MVP voters:
Rodgers dominates the five most important categories, finishing 1st in four of them, and 2nd only in total passing TD’s to Brees because he sat in week 17. Brees prevailed in completion percentage, though Rodgers had the lead there entering December before playing games in New York, Green Bay, and Kansas City, while Brees played in domes (this, of course, matters, as dome conditions have historically improved YPA by +0.4 while playing in December cold weather depresses it by -0.6) .
The categories that have not mattered as much in MVP voting are the only ones where Rodgers trails the other two candidates.
Those arguing for Brees (and they honestly must overcome Brady in my opinion, who is a wash with Brees except for total attempts and thus raw numbers), have three main arguments:
1. How can someone who set the passing yardage record not win MVP? Because it is not about milestones. We could similarly ask how someone who set the all-time passer rating record for a season cannot win it.
2. Matt Flynn was incredible on Sunday, proving that Rodgers is a system quarterback. Matt Flynn had a career game. Rodgers didn’t throw for 6 touchdowns in any game this year, because he didn’t need to. I don’t doubt that had he wanted to name a score against someone, he could have. Flynn’s own error–an interception where he stared down a receiver, and a fumble early where he held the ball–helped contribute to him continuing to score late. For contrast, Rodgers’ interception numbers may be unreal given how much he passes, but even more amazing is that only 2 interceptions occurred in either the first half of games or when the Packers were trailing or in a one score game in the second half (403 attempts). He didn’t put himself behind to then get to chase in a shootout.
But you can believe what you want. I don’t think Matt Flynn does anything close to what Rodgers did over 15 other games. Could he have been a top 10-15 type QB like Cassel was in 2008? Yes. We then get into hypotheticals about what the Saints would do without Brees, or the Patriots without Brady, rather than just going by what did happen.
3. Related to that, Aaron Rodgers is less valuable if his backup is competent. This is a ridiculous argument. If a team decided to sign me as a backup (I could probably throw a screen pass occasionally), would that make their starter the MVP? Joe Montana won multiple MVP awards with Steve Young coming off the bench for a few games, and throwing to Rice, Taylor, and Craig.
I’m not saying don’t account for supporting cast at all. I think Elway won it in 1987 because that team had very little talent and no running game besides Elway, and he carried them to many wins. I don’t see the argument about Green Bay’s offense versus New Orleans’ versus New England’s being so extreme that it should overcome the massive differences between Rodgers and everyone else.
4. Recency Effect, Brees finished strong. You need to be aware of your cognitive biases, people. This is a season long award. Rodgers didn’t play in the final game because he was so good that his team went 14-1.
If Aaron Rodgers loses the MVP award this year, it would be the second largest difference between the leader in Passer Rating+ and the ultimate MVP, behind only Jim Kelly losing out to Joe Montana in 1990. It’s hard for me in retrospect to say that was the right choice, just as I don’t think giving it to anyone but Rodgers would be appropriate. Montana got the reputation award in a down year, while Kelly was the league’s best. The 49ers replaced Montana with Young the next offseason as the starter. Here’s a list of the best seasons since 1978 by Rate+ and ANYA+. Rodgers 2011 ranks 3rd in ANYA+ and 5th in Passer Rating+. He would have the best season to not win an MVP award. Now, how can we have that?

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January 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 PM
I don’t see how this is a real debate, but I guess it drives conversation. Rodgers has to be the guy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
oh, please let Barista Mike be around for this.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Lisk is the MVP of this site.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Lisk is the coolest numbers nerd I know. Nice post, totally agree. QB #40 is the MVP in my fantasy world.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
My only thing would be: Is Rodgers more valuable to the Packers with Flynn behind him or would it be Brees with Chase Daniel behind him?
/realizes MVP really isn’t about valuable, more of a player of the year award
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I said this on twitter yesterday… It’s pretty clear that 2011 Rodgers >>> 2011 Brees, but was Brees even number 2, or was that Brady?
/starts reading
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 PM
it’s really no contest considering Rodgers passes the “stat test” and “eye test”… which is an incredible feat by itself in the age of the internets.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Is Dalton more valuable to the Bengals because Gradkowski’s behind him? Would that have made the playoffs with Gradkowski?
/slipper slope
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
interesting graph.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
My thought always: unless the other team promises not to try, then why stop trying. Would a team apologize for setting a record for ‘largest comeback ever’ if the other team had showed mercy and a few lucky breaks changed the game? Ask ms621… you don’t let up.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
This is the best argument for Brees. I agree that if you are basing it on who is worth more, Brees should be the guy. I think it should be the guy who had the best year, though “valuable” is right there in the title of the award, so perhaps I should rethink that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Forgot to add that if I had a ballot I would vote Rodgers, not disagreeing with Lisk.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
This is not to diminish Drew Brees, who is a sure Hall of Famer
thank you for not using “surefire”, as this is a stupid ESPN saying that makes no sense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Allow me to be the first Saints fan to say: if Aaron Rodgers win the MVP, you’ll get no chip on the shoulder shit from me. If the voters don’t give out a co-MVP award, which I don’t really expect, then at least Brees will finish 2nd. I think Saints fans are still incredulous over the 2008 season when he nearly broke the record then and didn’t even finish in the top 5 because the Saints went 8-8.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 PM
I don’t see how this is a real debate, but I guess it drives conversation. Rodgers has to be the guy.
Agreed. Which writer started this non-debate? Had to be Peter King.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Doesn’t that assume that the past MVP’s were ‘correct’? Seems like a weak argument…
/back to reading
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Interesting point. I think GB and NO have good enough offensive weapons that enhance the QBs performance. Cincy has….well Simpson and Greene, and Gresham I don’t know if you could just plug in a back-up with those guys. Although Cincy has a decent defense and…
/head asplodes
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 PM
MVPeet’s.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 PM
gotta watch out for those.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 PM
trick question…dalton isn’t that valuable.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Breesus will blame ESPN, the Cowboys and Rex Ryan.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
We have not had some grand chase with media following Brees around, like with McGwire and Sosa in 1998
That’s because Brees is the QB of the New Orleans Saints. If he were the QB of the New England Patriots or the New York Jets or the New York Giants, you can bet your ass we would have had a major media wankfest about it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Rodgers should easily win the MVP, of course you’ll have SC coming in soon saying that Jordy or Jay Cutler should win it, not these “stat compilers”
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
#WINS
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
MVP of the 2011-12 season = Packers WR YAC #s
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
But AJ Green sure as hell is.
/thinks about what him staying would have done for UGA
//thinks about what ATL landing him instead of Julio would mean to ATL
///cries
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
I thought the funnier part wasn’t him throwing late in the game against ATL, it was him throwing bombs late in the game against CAR.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 PM
We have not had some grand chase with media following Brees around, like with McGwire and Sosa in 1998
That’s because Brees is the QB of the New Orleans Saints. If he were the QB of the New England Patriots or the New York Jets or the New York Giants, you can bet your ass we would have had a major media wankfest about it.
i think baseball being daily had a lot to do with it
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 PM
My thought always: unless the other team promises not to try, then why stop trying. Would a team apologize for setting a record for ‘largest comeback ever’ if the other team had showed mercy and a few lucky breaks changed the game? Ask ms621… you don’t let up.
I don’t know why someone would be asking me that, but yes I agree with this.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 PM
BTW… I agree with everything Lisk said, and but it is an interesting premise to basically start with history of the award and say who should get it based on past tendencies.
That would be like saying the player with the most HRs + RBIs won MVP from 1960-2000, so why should we ignore RBIs this year?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Houston vs. Buffalo… is that not the biggest comeback?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Saints fans prove that even 100% positive press isn’t enough for some people.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Yet the Saints seem to play every home game on primetime this year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Both Brees and Rodgers have much, much more to work with than does Brady. Welker is Welker because of Brady.
I think Rodgers is the MVP this year, but Brees doesn’t deserve it over either Brady or Rodgers. Outside of the 1.5 years Randy Moss decided to try, when has Brady ever had the weapons that both Rodgers and Brees enjoy?
And while I like Brady, I hate the typical obnoxious Pats fans, just to make it clear I’m not in the tank for the Pats.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Oilers
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
And I’m fine with either Rodgers or Brees as MVP. I think a case could also be made for Megatron, or at least could have been made halfway through the season. No one on the defensive side jumps out this season for MVP.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
you don’t let up.
and i hate teams that bitch about people running it up. do your job and stop them, asshole.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Given that he sat in the past, I’m surprised the Saints were so blatant about it after the record was set. There must have been someone in the press box checking Brady’s stats.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
no doubt. dude is so good, it’s fucking scary.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
because the astros and (old) smu would be in the position to make the largest comeback ever
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Shame, you were on a roll.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Houston vs. Buffalo… is that not the biggest comeback?
Ah yes. But the Oilers didn’t let up in the game, not on purpose anyway. They just decided that they couldn’t defend against the mighty Frank Reich.
/weeps quietly in a corner
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
remember your tee bee el syntax, Lisk.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
He’s also a country bumpkin who should stay out of trouble. He’s everything you’d want in a star player.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Apropos of nothing, am I the only Steelers fan who thinks that the Broncos are going to win this weekend?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 PM
because the astros and (old) smu would be in the position to make the largest comeback ever
Fuck the 1980 Holiday Bowl, fuck BYU, and fuck Jim McMahon.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Another player a lot like AJ is Marcus Lattimore. Dude is the perfect star player. He’ll never get in trouble.
/glares at Isaiah Crowell
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
The first time I saw him was this past week and I didn’t see him do much (missed large chunks of the game). I’m looking forward to watching him a full game this weekend, and seeing what the hype is about.
Nice guy, too from what I hear. He’d sell you the shirt off his back.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Marvin has really coached him up well this year.
/fire that fuck
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
mole, tebow time is ovah
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Agreed. Which writer started this non-debate? Had to be Peter King.
Yes. This is from his MMQB column:
As @joshbickford wrote with his vote for Brees: “Matt Flynn changes my vote to Drew Brees.”
In other words, the sick performance by Flynn in relief of the resting Rodgers could well have the effect of leaking votes from Rodgers and giving them to Brees.
If a rusty backup like Flynn can throw for 480 yards with six touchdowns piloting the Green Bay offense, doesn’t that diminish what Rodgers has been able to do all season?
The MVP dilemma. Brees made it a horse race, and more than that.
As for the Flynn performance, I think it could be evidence that it’s the system and the supporting cast as much as the player that makes the quarterback in Green Bay.
There’s your idiocy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
I think Rodgers is the MVP this year, but Brees doesn’t deserve it over either Brady or Rodgers. Outside of the 1.5 years Randy Moss decided to try, when has Brady ever had the weapons that both Rodgers and Brees enjoy?
And while I like Brady, I hate the typical obnoxious Pats fans, just to make it clear I’m not in the tank for the Pats.
I would take Pats offensive line, Saints backs, Pats Tight Ends and Packers wide receivers if we combined the teams. So while Brady may not have good outside weapons, Gronkowski, Hernandez and the line offsets this. In other words, not willing to say that Brady plays with a bunch of bums.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Maybe Steve Smith’s mouth-vomitting in Payton’s face had something to do with that.
Idk, having that two headed TE monster is a pretty good advantage. You watch Hernandez slip tackles and Gronk run over people every gameand it definitely gives the Pats the edge in the passing game. That said, and I know the Brady hate is always ready to froth, he made some ridiculous pin-point throws on Sunday during the comeback.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
last browns/bengals game, joe haden was doing a pretty damn good job on him all day. then, out of fucking nowhere, he comes out like a flaming angel of death that’s dressed up like a traffic cone to deliver more brown pain to my beloved cleve.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Yes.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
probably.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Saints fans prove that even 100% positive press isn’t enough for some people
“100% positive press”?
Immediately after Brees broke the record, people were already jumping all over the Saints for “running up the score.” The same happened last week after the Carolina game. And some are saying Brees’s record needs an asterisk next to it because of current NFL rules that favor the offense.
Meanwhile, I didn’t hear any criticism of the Pats after they “ran up the score” on the Bills last weekor or threw to Gronl so he could get the TE record, and I didn’t see anyone calling for an asterisk next to Brady’s 5,000-plus yards.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
I like this.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 PM
So I organized an ESPN pick’em league this year and it stops at the playoffs. I set up a bracket with the top 8 seeds, and for the playoffs, you pick the winner and margin of each game, and the lower aggregate difference advances. I think everyone is picking Pittsburgh by 10. Mendenhall is out, and I just don’t 100% believe in the Steelers after the got bitch slapped by Joe Flacco twice. I’m considering picking Denver by 1… is there any logic to this or is it just crazy talk.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I lol’d. The traffic cone line was the highlight of this sentence.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Saints fans prove that even 100% positive press isn’t enough for some people.
Haven’t you heard? Drew Brees and the Saints are a classless organization, according to CBS’ Pete Prisco, who by the way, can go fuck himself.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
james harrison is going to give tebow his come to jesus moment.
oh wait, tebow comes to jesus every night into his confirmation sock.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I wish my comment on been no the earlier side of 12:51 of Lisk’s, would have made it so much shinier.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Granted I thought the Saints would lose to Seattle last year too.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
The Tim Tebow voters will have committed a greater error than any guy that votes for Drew Brees. Both the Packers and Saints QBs are deserving.
I’m sure either would be perfectly OK with a Super Bowl MVP instead of this Associated Press award.
Geez – If you’re around, any news on Tom Gilbert? Hope he’s OK. Carcillo’s actions are indefensible. That was an embarrassment as a Hawks fan… both the outcome of the game and that hit.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
He also made some headscratching throws at the feet of Welker and over the head of Hernandez.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
A defense that already gave up a 21 point lead to the Bills this year can NEVER run up the score.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
i’m not a steelers fan, but I think the Bronco’s defense will give them more trouble than they can handle and I could see the broncos winning a 17-12 game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Clark not playing is a bigger loss than Mendenhall. Pittsburgh gets it done, though.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Drew Brees is the spokesman for a pyramid scheme that takes advantage of good people, he should be in prison. Piece of human feces.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Nada, I am not calling for any asterisks. I’m pretty sure people have been clamoring for asterisks next to records since the inventions of asterisks and records.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Saints fans ride the Whaaaambulance more than any other team. Were they this annoying before Brees got there?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
I think they could start Charlie Batch and still beat Denver.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
True true, but when it mattered he got it done. Hopefully he will rest and not rust this weekend.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
in his defense Welker’s feet were making those catches in practice and hernandez was leaping 18 feet into the air during warmups.
/cbs announcer’d
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Yeah I’m worried about that defense.
Agreed. The secondary is a fucking Potemkin village.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Probably, but I think it’s going to be a freaky game like 16-10. Steelers seem to forget how to play offense when they approach the red zone so I sense a lot of FG’s.
Thank god the Broncos best WR is Eric Decker, because Bryant Mcfadden (who is now the 5th CB) is going to be playing. The injuries is going to be our downfall in the playoffs
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Rodgers for sure, Schefter was trying to argue for a split vote yesterday based on Brees’ total accumulation #s, and he wouldnt hear the fact that Rodgers played one less game. Rodgers was the much more efficient QB.
Is this where I can make my official request that anyone who says the Pats cant win it all with that defense, must also say the same about GB? Look who ended up the season with the worst passing yardage and overall yardage against! Imagine that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 PM
I was about to type pretty much this exact same thing. I could see them getting a special teams or defensive TD, or both and winning a low scoring game. Even though the Steelers led by Charlie Batch is still a better team than the Broncos. Just seems like one of those fucking things that happens.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 PM
I guess the Pack has been pretty injury-ravaged, but I’d be careful with this. Vollmer/Koppen being out made that line, and Solder nearly got Brady killed.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 PM
we weren’t sure what “glug glug glug glug” was referring to.
/katrina joke
//see you all in hell
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Oh, go kick rocks. And while you’re at it, take a look at the Rams and Bucs games and get a clue as to why your boy isn’t up for the award.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Dude’s been money all year. Clark playing would have Troy in the box eyeing Tebow all the time. Not gonna happen now with Clark out.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 PM
I feel like ever since the knee injury, he makes some really strange throws at random times. I remember a couple passes to Moss the year after that were just dumbfounding.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 PM
I’m sorry am I imagining a year of “Drew Brees and the Saints saved New Orleans, THE POWER OF SPORTS TO HEAL!!!!” stories when they won?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Not to mention the fact it was the defense scoring most of those points
/Sterling fucking Moore?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 PM
If I tried to look at the season from 1000 feet, I’d say there should be more talk about Victor Cruz. That offense hasn’t had a lot else at times, depending on how healthy Nicks is.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Saints fans prove that even 100% positive press isn’t enough for some people
What? Would you prefer he be accused of neferious deeds behind closed doors on more than one occasion?
/lobs grenade
Seriously, what’s wrong with wanting to promote the hell out of a guy who seems like a good dude both on and off the field?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Agreed. The secondary is a fucking Potemkin village.
If someone told me this morning that I was going to see ‘Potemkin village’ used on a sports blog to describe a football team’s secondary, I’d have looked at you like you were crazy. And yet it works.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
/Sterling fucking Moore?
<—–Mustangs represent!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Anyone who says “Who Dat” or “Who Dey” in their daily language should be liquidated.
/awaits the pittsburgh bashing
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Hopefully, people are trying to avoid the instant hype, and are waiting to see if this is who he is, or if he’s another flash-in-the-pan.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Splitting awards is for fags.
/97′
//go bucks
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Apropos of nothing, am I the only Steelers fan who thinks that the Broncos are going to win this weekend?
Doubt it. Game plan should be to put pressure up front and play the Broncos receivers in tight man to man coverage as Tebow has a hard time making accurate throws.
Redman’s going to get a lot of touches, and that’s what should worry Steelers fans. John Fox is no slouch at drawing up a good ‘D’.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
PERSONALITY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
i had expected a better game out of them against the Browns, did not expect them to struggle for as long as they did. If Ben has to move around a lot to avoid the pass rush I could see a repeat of the Niners game in offensive performance.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
I assume Lisk means with Mankins there, who thankfully should be back for the divisional round.
Agreed Steelers will miss Clark’s cheapshotting ass this weekend.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
I guess the Pack has been pretty injury-ravaged, but I’d be careful with this. Vollmer/Koppen being out made that line, and Solder nearly got Brady killed.
I guess I should say that when the starters are healthy. Same is true of me taking GB wide receivers, I’m including Jennings.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
If you can statistically be the best player in a league, why wouldn’t you be the most valuable player for every team in that league?
/hopefully this puts an end to the best player but not MVP discussion
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 PM
And have to scrape the soot off my knuckles after
/pre-1995 Pittsburgh
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 PM
and Billy Fucking Volek once threw for 400 yards in a game
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 PM
I feel awful for the guy. Are they even letting him travel because of the altitude?. I can’t believe the guy was that close to death the last time he played there.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I know I’ll be hated on for this, but what do you expect after Katrina? How much press did Houston get for its response to Katrina, which was more than the NO people did for themselves or the other LA people did for NO sufferers. Not to mention, Rita tore through east Texas only a few weeks after that and you didn’t see Texans rioting and trying to find anyone but themselves to blame.
NO can eat a dick, as a staff, a label, and a motherfucking crew, as far as I’m concerned. Whatever goodwill they were entitled to as a result of Katrina has been extinguished (and mostly handed out by the City of Houston and State of Texas) due to their incessant whining, from their mayor and governor on down to that motherfuker Breesus.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
The only bad part of Snoop Dogg’s appearance on the Price is Right yesterday was his stupid Stillers patch
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
If I tried to look at the season from 1000 feet, I’d say there should be more talk about Victor Cruz
Hopefully, people are trying to avoid the instant hype, and are waiting to see if this is who he is, or if he’s another flash-in-the-pan.
I completely agree with this statement. It does bother me that he wasn’t selected as a backup WR or an alternate for the Pro Bowl.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I anxiously await the schmuck who votes for Tim Tebow and gets a column out of explaining how he squandered his vote.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Saints fans ride the Whaaaambulance more than any other team. Were they this annoying before Brees got there?
Oh wait; you’re a Falcons fan, right?
I’m sorry am I imagining a year of “Drew Brees and the Saints saved New Orleans, THE POWER OF SPORTS TO HEAL!!!!” stories when they won?
Yeah, and the smart Saints fans were annoyed by the laziness of the national media then. Outside of that feel good stuff, Drew Brees is the guy who gets the positive pub, followed by a “yeah, but…”
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 PM
ah, talkin’ dahn to them katrinas, ah? we could do this for ahrrrs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Saints fans prove that even 100% positive press isn’t enough for some people
What? Would you prefer Brees be accused of criminal deeds behind closed doors on more than one occasion?
/lobs grenade
Seriously, what’s wrong with wanting to promote the heck out of a guy who seems like a good dude both on and off the field?
/Fook moderation
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Brees – who is a sure Hall of Famer
Really? Sure thing? No debate at all? Let’s just say P. Manning and Brady are better, no questions. Let’s say maybe Big Ben gets a 3rd ring, maybe Rodgers gets more, maybe Eli gets 1 more than Brees. What if Payton leaves for Dallas and the Saints go to crap? There’d be no debate on Brees being in the hall? There are a lot of variables still in play here. A guy could be the 5th-7th best QB of his generation (not sure if him and Brett are peers) and he is a certainty? Wow.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
he’d be a god damned fool.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Weather was pretty bad up there in terms of wind. Plus that game wouldn’t have been that close if my boy Isaac Redman didn’t fumble twice. That made me sad.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
I anxiously await the schmuck who votes for Tim Tebow and gets a column out of explaining how he squandered his vote.
Any such ridiculous argument “he just knows how to win” has been pretty much quashed with his late play the last few weeks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
There’s now just melted residue left between the “.>” key and the “Shift” key on scripty’s keyboard.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Texas have more guns, great deterrent for looting. Even looters know to avoid the general store when the owner probably has an assualt rifle.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Seeing that I have no rooting interest in the playoffs, give me a team to root for. Oh and Giants don’t count. Fuck them now. Was just happy they beat the Cowgirls.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Yes. I have to deal with idiot Saints fans at every NO-ATL home game. They’re pure trash (at least the ones who buy the cheap seats where I sit). Brees is all class, but the coach is a pure douchecanoe, and the Saints fans are terrible people by and large. While it’s macabre for sure, the Katrina chant a couple of years ago in response to the Who Dat chant was funny.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Counterpoint, Steven Seagal: Lawman.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 PM
WILDCATS!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Really? Sure thing? No debate at all? Let’s just say P. Manning and Brady are better, no questions. Let’s say maybe Big Ben gets a 3rd ring, maybe Rodgers gets more, maybe Eli gets 1 more than Brees. What if Payton leaves for Dallas and the Saints go to crap? There’d be no debate on Brees being in the hall? There are a lot of variables still in play here. A guy could be the 5th-7th best QB of his generation (not sure if him and Brett are peers) and he is a certainty? Wow.
It’s a much longer post, but he is in, based on who is already in. From 2004 to present has been a great stretch of eight years. Whether or not Eli wins another ring doesn’t matter at all. Brady and Manning are in too.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Go Lions.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Not to mention, Rita tore through east Texas only a few weeks after that and you didn’t see Texans rioting and trying to find anyone but themselves to blame.
The damage that Houston suffered in Rita and New Orleans suffered in Katrina are not even close to being comparable. Katrina was a direct hit on New Orleans. Rita went ashore near Port Arthur and Beaumont. If you want to compare storms, what Tropical Storm Allison did to Houston in 2001 is a more apt comparison.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Go banana!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Fuck em all’, I’m just rooting for a GB/NO NFC championship game.
/excited to watch DET/NO this weekend as well.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Exactly. The NFL isn’t college. You can win anywhere as long as you have the right owner. A buddy of mine is a huge Dallas fan, and he said since 1997 they are 120-120 with one playoff win. That was with 5-6 different head coaches. The one constant is Jerry Jones running the show. Why would any established coach want to go there?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 PM
only tangentially related but quite funny.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 PM
If you quote and unquote immediately after with nothing in between… what the fuck are you quoting? air?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 PM
You really struggle with reading comprehension. I made it pretty clear that Rita tore through “East Texas” not Houston. And nowhere did I refer to Houston being affected by Rita. Your point about Houston v. NO is true, but entirely besides the point.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Just spent 10 minutes reading about Potemkin villages.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Agreed on both account, but will be interesting to see the Saints out of the dome against the awesome SF defense. Really think SF could shut down the Saints.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Houston
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 PM
it’s not like Brees put up Mark Sanchez numbers his whole career then exploded for 5300+ yards this season. He’s got the consistency behind him. And being 5th-7th best of your contemporaries is pretty good when you consider the amount of QB’s that started games in Chicago and Washington the past ten years could field an entire 53 man roster.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 PM
it’s TBL Newb Commenter mistake #15 in verbal form
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 PM
I think a GB-NO NFC Championship game is going to be a better game than the Super Bowl.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 PM
I read that and laughed. And going back to Spencer’s link, here’s a family guy scene with Steven Seagal that cracks me up.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Really? Sure thing? No debate at all? Let’s just say P. Manning and Brady are better, no questions. Let’s say maybe Big Ben gets a 3rd ring, maybe Rodgers gets more, maybe Eli gets 1 more than Brees. What if Payton leaves for Dallas and the Saints go to crap? There’d be no debate on Brees being in the hall? There are a lot of variables still in play here. A guy could be the 5th-7th best QB of his generation (not sure if him and Brett are peers) and he is a certainty? Wow.
I won’t be dignifying this with a response.
The damage that Houston suffered in Rita and New Orleans suffered in Katrina are not even close to being comparable. Katrina was a direct hit on New Orleans. Rita went ashore near Port Arthur and Beaumont. If you want to compare storms, what Tropical Storm Allison did to Houston in 2001 is a more apt comparison.
I’ll be avoiding this convo except to add a hearty “THIS.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Depends on who wins the AFC. If its the Pats-NO or Pats-GB, that game would be fun, and the number would be massive.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Here’s why Brees is the MVP.
Better completion percentage.
Beter sack rate.
Rodgers has the better yards per attempt, but — Green Bay’s receivers are much better after the catch — .74 yards better per catch, in fact, which almost entirely eliminates Rodgers’ advantage in YPC. After the catch yardage: Nelson: 5.7; Jennings: 4.6; Finley: 4.1; Graham: 4.4; Colston: 3.1; Moore: 3.0.
Rodgers weapons are much, much better than what Brees is working with. The Matt Flynn Experiment shows that: in two starts — 55/81 (68%), 731 yards, 9 TD, 2 INT. One of those games was without Greg Jennings. The Packers didn’t miss a beat with Flynn at QB. If it’s not a knock on Rodgers’ relative value, at the very least it highlights the tremendous supporting cast he’s working with.
It has nothing to do with raw numbers, and everything to do with essentially equal efficiency where one guy’s best WR is Marques Colston, who would be the other guy’s third option.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Not to mention that I’m pretty sure it’s “quote…. end quote”. Unquote is some sort of recent grammatical atrocity.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Whoever it is from the AFC is gonna get smoked in a dome. Whether it be Pit/Bal/NE, neither defense is young enough or healthy enough to play with NO or GB inside.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 PM
While it’s macabre for sure, the Katrina chant a couple of years ago in response to the Who Dat chant was funny.
And I heard Falcon fans talking shit about Katrina when I went to the Georgia Dome back in 2006 and 2007.
/you can make the “those fans are assholes” argument for everyone
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
He’s more valuable than the entire city of Cleveland. Rookie of the year almost any other year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Awesome.
Never change, Jerrah. Don’t listen to the haters! You know you’re a better GM than Jimmy Johnson!
/feeding the delusion
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Here’s why the guy I prefer is better:
/two cherry picked stats that say so
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
I don’t think my marriage would survive it. If that happens, I’ll just turn in my ring, ask for my balls back, and be on my way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Nada, I am not calling for any asterisks
I have no truck with you, Jason. As I said, Rodgers as MVP is fine with me. It’s the idiots taking shots at Brees and the Saints for things they give others a pass for who rankle me.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Very true, but NO fans make them much easier to agree to. They’re mostly terrible people.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Troy Aikman is in the Hall and people are questioning if Brees deserves it?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
The team that is going to lose to the Bengals this weekend?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Al Davis’ final camp decision as GM…cut the guy everyone loved (players, writers, fans, coaches) to keep a pet project.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 PM
oddly enough, you can say the same thing about the packers and saints defense against NE.
fun except for the fans involved, considering it could be a 63-60 type game there’ be a huge spike in heart related 911 calls
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Why not San Fran? That’s who I’m rooting for when Cincy bows out. And Antonio Brown.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 PM
The quick cuts at the top of his route, and the speed are real, not hype. The numbers and the plays he’s made are real, not hype. There is no reason to believe he couldn’t replicate his play going forward.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 PM
“God Schmod, I want my monkey-man!”
- Al David
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 PM
He makes a decent point about YAC contributing to YPA, but fails to explore the possibility that a large part of YAC is being a good QB who gets the ball to the WR in a good spot to run. Not all of Rodgers’ YAC comes on dump screen passes where he does very little.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Al David, of course, the non-union Mexican equivalent of Al Davis.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Not sure about that.
Jennings > Colston
Nelson > Moore
Graham > Finley
Meachem > Driver
Henderson > Jones
Not to mention Sproles and Thomas and all the screen passes for huge hunks of yardage all year.
I would give New Orleans an advantage in starting field position on punts and kicks (no numbers to confirm that, though)
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Not to mention that I’m pretty sure it’s “quote…. end quote”. Unquote is some sort of recent grammatical atrocity.
That’s a bingo.
/heart of hearts’d
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:24 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 PM
When he toasted Terrence Newman down the sideline (who used to be quite a burner back in the day himself), that was real. And every Giants’ highlight I see, if he wasn’t spectacular, they lost. I’d put Cruz top 5 MVP for this season, based on what I’ve seen.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Nope, no one wants to admit this. Pats D is teh terrible and no one else is on their level.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 PM
I don’t think there’s a way to explore this without charting every single one of their throws. Suffice to say, however, that the most accurate QB in the NFL does a pretty good job of getting the ball to his WRs in the “right spot”.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Rita tore through east Texas only a few weeks after that and you didn’t see Texans rioting and trying to find anyone but themselves to blame.
Granted, New Orleans must shoulder some of the blame. But it’s not to blame for the Corps of Engineers floodwalls that gave way due top poor engineering and budget cuts.
Also, East Texas wasn’t under 20 feet of polluted, chemical-laden water for two to three weeks with people dying in attics and on rooftops while the White House and FEMA sat on their hands.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 PM
i’m enjoying this reverse jinx and snark from you in the new year, CJ.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Then why don’t they run more after the catch?
And also.. Brees played indoors most of the season and his passes travel shorter in the air. If you are going to use stats, at least do them due diligence. You can’t pick an angle, and not explore an alternative hypothesis.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 PM
This.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 PM
They’re a fucking soup sandwich. At least the Pack and Saints have a few playmakers that ya know occasionally make big plays.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Troy Aikman is in the Hall and people are questioning if Brees deserves it?
This, and add Joe Namath to make it even more true.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Start with a conclusion and go backwards.
/sports media
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Packers have 2 more turnovers than the Pats D, who just got back Chung and Spikes, their 2 most energetic defenders. They gave up 100 yards total in the 2nd half on Sunday. Whatever, fuck em. Worst of all time.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
That’s excatly right Cowboy Mike.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Hey CJ, where are those bikini pics you promised this summer?
/yesterday
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
terry bradshaw too…i mean, look how many HOF’ers were on that team. bradshaw is a piece of shit.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Alex Smith threw the fewest INTs. [more number crunching]. Alex Smith for MVP.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Whoever it is from the AFC is gonna get smoked in a dome. Whether it be Pit/Bal/NE, neither defense is young enough or healthy enough to play with NO or GB inside.
THIS. I would say that if the Lions somehow get to the Super Bowl, we could be in for an entertaining game as well. They’d bring the offense, and then there’d be the chance that Suh could rip the AFC QB’s leg off and beat him with it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Troy Aikman is in the Hall and people are questioning if Brees deserves it?
in case no one else has typed it, HOF induction because of past inductees is the last reason to induct. HOFs are stupid anyway
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 PM
My point was not that Brees won’t get in the HOF, was that there are a lot of variables about his place among his peers when all their careers are complete, to just hang that HOF comment out there as an absolute. The NFL HOF has some dubious inductees, no doubt.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 PM
/Urban Legend’d
to the contrary, Congress and FEMA did sit on their hands re: Rita. One Congressman was quoted, in response to a question about why no federal funds were being spent on the Rita damage, that he had hurricane fatigue. NO didn’t deserve what it got, not arguing that. But that NO is still affected by Katrina has as much to do with NO as it does with the storm itself at this point. You don’t know about the Rita damage, which was both very costly and widespread, because the media isn’t in love with East Texas. I don’t blame them, it’s a backwoods and racist shithole for the most part, but that they acted differently in response to a natural disaster than NO is quite telling, and not just a reflection of the difference in the disasters.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 PM
in all honesty, chan gailey was the best defender for NE on Sunday when he took Stevie Johnson out of the game.
/Gailey Island
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Alex Smith threw the fewest INTs. [more number crunching]. Alex Smith for MVP.
Didn’t Tebow have more fourth quarter comebacks than Rodgers and Brees? Tebow for MVP!
/wanking
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Start with a conclusion and go backwards.
reminds me of a minutemen song
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 PM
You really struggle with reading comprehension. I made it pretty clear that Rita tore through “East Texas” not Houston. And nowhere did I refer to Houston being affected by Rita. Your point about Houston v. NO is true, but entirely besides the point.
So you think then it’s apt to compare a city with a pre-Katrina population of over half a million to east Texas? I guess I’m not seeing your point other than you seem to be implying that New Orleans and East Texas have different populations and demographic makeup. Which is kind of a ‘no shit’ statement.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Aikman played in a different offense, and the other 2 played in a different era. Namath’s numbers in todays NFL would be better, and Brees wouldn’t be putting up 5000 yard seasons in the
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Damn, you really can’t read! I was comparing the reactions of the affected populations and did so quite clearly. You failed to pick up on that, apparently.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 PM
then there’d be the chance that Suh could rip the AFC QB’s leg off and beat him with it.
“I was just trying to let go, real hard!”
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 PM
That was awesome. Chan’s the man.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 PM
But that NO is still affected by Katrina has as much to do with NO as it does with the storm itself at this point.
That I will agree with. The city can’t get its shit together long enough to do something right. That’s why there’s the lovefest with the team. They are literally the ONLY thing that people in the NO metro area can get behind.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 PM
I mean if you’re going to make a comparison in reactions to devastating storms, shouldn’t they both be urban areas? Otherwise the comparison is reductionist and meaningless.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 PM
As is oft the case of your own visage.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Damn, you really can’t read! I was comparing the reactions of the affected populations and did so quite clearly. You failed to pick up on that, apparently.
If you are going to do that then wouldn’t it make more sense to compare post-Katrina New Orleans to post-Houston TS Allison? Seems like a much better comparison to me.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 PM
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Otherwise the comparison is reductionist and meaningless.
As is oft the case of your own visage.
Are you still mad at me because I’m not black?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 PM
I think the angle ole Vic is shooting for is the people of East Texas are gritty and gutsy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 PM
It still stings just a little, yes.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 PM
So, aside from being a whiney bitch, you seem to be quite dense. I guess if your point is that people in an urban area are somehow different than people in non-urban areas, in such a way that one group consistently fails to do for itself, while the other bucks up and does what needs to be done, then you’d expect that Houston would have reacted to Allison (as you noted, a storm that greatly affected and damaged an urban population) to have reacted like that of New Orleans after Katrina. The urban v. non-urban has nothing to do with it. Your point is meaningless. Now, if you want to say that it’s a Texas v. New Orleans/Louisiana issue, I’d agree. If Katrina had hit Houston as devastatingly as it did NO (something that really can’t happen given their relative proximities to the coast), you wouldn’t find NO extending the hand Houston did to NO residents. Just isn’t what NO is about, and it is something you find throughout the state of Texas.
At this point, you’ve driven this so far off the tracks, who fukin cares? You were wrong, admit it and heal. Whiney pony bitch.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 PM
I’m Vic! Kiss by ass you sonsabitches!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 PM
ms, your avatar is still cuddly cubby
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Oppositionism – which combines skepticism with a compulsion to argue – is not contrarianism, which is a style more than a discipline. Its style is the anti-style, its principles are situational and transitory, and its adherents are as boring and imitative as any herd of dependent minds. The lingua franca of nonconformity, like the obsessively ironic costumes of Brooklyn hipsters, gets stale very quickly and, in the end, if not sooner, it is self-negating.
PMS621 = Oppositionist
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 PM
I think what amuses me most, Vic, is that I’m not even disagreeing with you, just seeking to refine your point. Your antagonism is as thrilling to watch as it is completely needless however. We’re adults here, most of us anyway. We can converse with resorting to name calling. Well I can anyway.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Ouch, what a time for a typo. Obviously, MS is a Contrarian.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 PM
196vezina Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 PM
ms, your avatar is still cuddly cubby
Hmm, you must be one if the few few it’s still showing up for. Vic knew enough to call me a ‘whiny pony bitch’ do I assume good ole Alma mater us showing up as my gravatar for others.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 PM
/Belt
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 PM
Ouch, what a time for a typo. Obviously, MS is a Contrarian.
i saw the PMS and figured you were attacking
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Whatever happend to that Badger fan from Georgia? I liked that guy’s stuff on here.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 PM
three badgers here vic–atl, ark and plain ol badger. there was a honey badger don’t give a shit for awhile, too
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 PM
ATL_Engager is the guy that killed NDub. NDub’s crew (a high level politician from a state that rhymes with schmersey and a burrito-loving Tennessean residing in Florida) retaliated and took him out.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 PM
ATL_Engager is the guy that killed NDub. NDub’s crew (a high level politician from a state that rhymes with schmersey and a burrito-loving Tennessean residing in Florida) retaliated and took him out.
Speaking of, did we ever find out what happened to NDub?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:13 PM
It gets a little confusing. Isn’t Arkbadger a Razorbacks fan? And isn’t HuskerDawg a fan of both Nebraska and Georgia? I don’t understand such fan bigamy when two potential big name programs are involved.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:27 PM
I thought vic was sparty? who the fuck is sparty then?