ESPN Researcher: Women Find ESPN Debate Shows “Repellent”
This month, ESPN.com celebrated the first birthday of espnW, a little corner of the mothership that — just playing the odds here — you’ve never visited, nor do you care about. You’re not missing a whole helluva lot, at least not yet. (The Onion’s preview from a year ago still holds up, if you’re wondering.) If the network decides to support it on the way to trying to reach a wider audience of women, it could bloom. In any case, it’s a glimpse into what the network is learning about women sports fans, and where it has yet to grow. The average man 35-49 watches 227 hours a year watching televised sports, while his female counterpart watches 92 hours a year. The network wants to grow that second number. We all may enjoy a better ESPN as a result.
A thorough Poynter Review piece broke down ESPN’s intentions and some of the data driving them. The unexpected upshot is that ESPN’s makes male fans seem borderline unbalanced compared with the women. Men are elated by wins and devastated by losses, while women take both relatively in stride. Only a fifth of women between 18 and 34 see themselves as huge sports fans, compared with half of men in the same demographic. Men feel validated as men by their fandom, while women must constantly prove theirs. And so on.
A media researcher at ESPN told Poynter that to entice more female fans the network could “get rid of stuff that’s repellent” to women, such as debate shows such as “Pardon the Interruption” and “Around the Horn.” More appealing, apparently, are shows with storylines, such as “Outside the Lines.”
That word, “repellent,” is a delightful firework in that quote. It’s decisive and it’s pissed. This, we can all hope, is where the Worldwide Leader will take a cue from the fairer sex. “PTI” has to rank among the cheapest cable shows to make per advertising dollar collected; when all you have to do is wind up two old men who like to yell at one another in their spare time anyway, and back them up with minimal highlights and graphics, the half-hour practically produces itself. It’s hard to unseat a show like that if anyone at all watches it. But I move we listen to women on this one. Like the other dude-on-dude programming on ESPN, “PTI” feeds an echo chamber of shouting that escalates into a form of enhanced interrogation. Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless are the poster asses for this sort of absent-minded braying, like the drunks at the bar who shout to be heard even when the music stops. They’re not the only offenders. It’s not universal but it is a network-wide problem, and because ESPN dominates the medium, its shouting can threaten to turn the whole dial into televised talk radio.
Maybe it’s a function transferring an alpha-masculine, locker-room culture onto the idiot box, or maybe it’s just what happens when hyperinflated personalities crowd into the same studio — the chuckleheads who shout into their lapel mikes on Fox’s “Sunday NFL Countdown” sound no more oblivious and screechy than every microsecond of “The View” I’ve accidentally stumbled across. So maybe it’s a cable problem more than an ESPN problem per se. But just as anchors such as Linda Cohn and Suzy Kolber may have a mild civilizing influence on a broadcast — in public, I expect, men are less comfortable yelling at one another when women are present — it doesn’t hurt the sporting culture at large to stop excluding women. On participation, football and baseball are nonstarters, and women’s basketball is a less-thrilling product than the men’s game, which is often predicated by impossible shit happening 11 and 12 feet off the floor. Poynter mentions soccer as a potentially high-audience sport where interest in the women’s game may rival the men’s, but surely that owes much to American women’s dominance. Outside of a few Olympic sports, equal air for equal play will always lag.
Fortunately fandom doesn’t need to be segregated. ESPN finds that women enjoy the NFL (less so, the NBA and college football, for whatever reason). That’s reflected, perhaps, in the decent amount of NFL discussions (“coverage” is too strong a word) over at espnW. Football on the whole may be a big enough property to develop programming around it specifically to appeal to women viewers — but it’s hard to imagine that it would justify its existence without a strong following by men, who are still the majority of the sportsviewing audience. Better idea: Incorporate the elements women respond to (reported storytelling, e.g.) and jettison the elements that repel them (Woody Paige howling at Bob Ryan bellowing at Woody Paige, e.g.). The result might expand the audience not only because it’s woman-friendly, but because it’s better television.

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December 28th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
just the women?
/didn’t read post
December 28th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
How bout taking ugly women, with inane opinions who don’t know shit about sports off ESPN? Oh and the same goes for their retarded male counterparts. Fuck ESPN too.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
I still don’t find women funny.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Who watches ATH and PTI still?…raise your hand …*loads pistol* and keep them raised
December 28th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
Might want to consider a re-write there.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Maybe ESPN should cover hockey a little more? Since ya know women love hockey players.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Even Paula Poundstone?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Despite the sarcasm you threw in there, the latter half is a tremendously valid point.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
Report: Men find “Ellen” and “The View” repellent.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I spend no less than twelve hours a weekend propping my DVD copy of The Hours up in front of the TV and sit off to the side watching it bask in the glow of televised sports.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Report: Men find “Ellen” and “The View” repellent.
Don’t forget Oprah
December 28th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
I might watch 227 hours of televised sports programming in a couple of months. Especially during baseball season.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
I want to know who the dick wads are that continue to watch First Take which gives them such good ratings and keep Skip Bayless on TV. Talk about repellent.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
none of this matters until our resident women comment on it. i’m guessing they don;t need any kowtowing from networks tho
December 28th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
If ESPN put Josh Elliot back on the air, even on First Take, I bet CJ would watch the hell out of it.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
I find Wilbon to be a homer, and I don’t think Kornheiser gives a shit anymore. Beyond me why anyone would spend a half hour of their day listening to them yell at each other about topics that they don’t seem to be any more informed than I am.
OPINION! OPINION!
December 28th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
That is the most obvious statement ever, SC
December 28th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
I see Christine Brennan’s fingerprints in this article….
December 28th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
GOOMF >>>>>>> anything ESPN can come up with
December 28th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
it isn’t them not putting him on the air. the Mouse wants him at ABC.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
That hat Kornheiser is wearing, woof!
December 28th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
In other news, recent study finds water to be wet!
December 28th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Who let them out of the kitchen?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Wilbon looks like a young Ahmad Rashad in that photo. Nice job with the captions, Eifling.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
There are plenty of guys on here who find ESPN programming repellent (and mention it every day), but they keep watching (for some reason)…maybe those 92 hours/year women spend watching, they are doing the same thing.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Wilbon kinda looks like a militant Sinbad in that picture.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Here’s our solution: MORE TEBOW
/ESPN executive
December 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
I don’t know who the hell ever gets surveyed. Also, I’ve been watching TV for over four decades and no one’s ever asked me anything about my viewing habits. I think they gather their information about viewers from those confined in holding cells somewhere.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
I really like Lebatard, but his refusal to call Wilbon out on some of the dumb arguments/predictions he makes on television when he comes on his radio show because he’s buddies with him is really annoying. He started to yesterday when Wilbon was spewing some bullshit about how Rip Hamilton could still play defense and would be a huge difference maker for the bulls, but then backed off.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
I’m never flying during Christmas time again.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Yes it is, I have seen a lot of talent at Sharks games.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Our policy (through 3 Christmases at least). No traveling. If anyone wants to see us, give them our address and tell them about our 1 week/1 suitcase limits.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
I was going to say Carlton Banks, age 29.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Here’s our solution: MORE TEBOW
They’re looking to attract more gay men?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
we all watch bad TV/annoying and clueless commentators so we can bitch about them or make fun of them. this is not a mystery, and i’m guessing that’s figured into programming decisions. otherwise, if we think someone is clueless and is a mumblemouth with bad/mistaken grammar, then the suits can see it too, and yet keep them on air
December 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Mostly wearing the “away” sweaters?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
PREPARE FOR THE ARRIVAL OF THE NBC SPORTS CHANNEL ON JANUARY 2ND.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I wish I could swing that. I mean it was good to go home and see everyone but I had quite the ordeal trying to get back last night and only made it in to save a half-day of leave while operating at zombie status. Last year it was snow, this year it was….wind.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
No. But apparently their answer to everything is “there just isn’t enough Tim Tebow.” They put in the MNF opening for the Saints/Falcons game, for Christ’s sake.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
I was going to say Carlton Banks, age 29.
Obligatory
December 28th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
More STAFFDADDY! Women love him!
/huskerdawg’d
December 28th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
I hate all of those. If I watch anything other than a live event it is either NFL network or MLB network.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
We get what we deserve. People hate Skip Bayless, but many will watch the show just to hear what he says to get pissed off. I used to be like that.
But it really is a shame that ESPN’s ratings model is apparently “Tune in and we’ll piss you off. But you just can’t turn away, can you?”
December 28th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Au contraire mon frere, in the home teal. It’s mostly doods in the away sweaters around there.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Definitely.
NFL: 17 weeks x 12 hr/week = 204
MLB: ~150 games x 3 hr/game = 450
I’m up to almost 650 hours in a year, and that’s before NFL playoffs, miscellaneous NBA, CFB, etc., which has to add another few hundred at least.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
I’m dumb, just got the real joke.
/goes to penalty box
December 28th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
you wont have to worry about Tebow much longer. They can only win so many games with his type of play. See last week at Buffalo
December 28th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Yo, ‘Mericans, good luck against the Finn’s this afternoon.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
The stupid Kings better win tonight.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
ben and sc….you guys watch just about every pitch for a full game, give or take blowouts?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Hey guys, you realize that your “man I watch more than that” comments don’t mean anything, right? Would you care to talk about your fantasy football playoffs?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
It’s cool… I switched topics quick. But in all seriousness, there are some good-looking women at hockey games, and they are usually the cool/fun ones. If I was single, that would be one of my top places to go meet women.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
I still watch as they sometime make me laugh. More than that, even if they are misinformed about a topic, I don’t think they say things just to get a reaction out of people. Same can’t be said for first take or around the horn.
But you are right about the knowledge level thing. I find that older media members really don’t understand or care for the nuances of the game. They aren’t stat oriented and don’t watch sports with an analytical eyes. Instead relying on forming their opinion based on who has the most “heart” “gut” “grit” “determination” etc.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Fixed it.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Worst of the Worst on ESPN in no particular order:
Berman, Bayless, Woody, Screamin’, Rome, Schlereth, Greenberg, Golic,
December 28th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
I will throw in Dilfer and Me-Shawn.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Not either but I usually watch the first 2-3 innings, take a short break and then go back to the game if it’s still interesting. I don’t watch a full 9 innings much anymore unless it’s playoffs.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
ESPN News has gone a little over the top with the forced diversity. I’m pretty sure one of the terrorists from True Lies was giving the headlines a couple days ago.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
Fixed
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I’d take Golic off the list. Greenbergs douchiness is so strong that unfortunately the fat man gets caught in the fire.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I feel awful today…cold + lack of sleep + not much to do at work = me feeling like crap.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
No lie, I watched EVERY inning of braves baseball from 1996-2004. Not exxagerating either. I used to be the biggest baseball fan in the world.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
i feel like greenburg should be mentioned again.
“here’s a stat you NEED to know…coming right up.”
/cue 18 minutes of commercials
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
100% agree.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
Ooh how could I forget Vitale, Holtz, May, Cyclops Scott, Cowturd, and Jacobson.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
ESPN News has gone a little over the top with the forced diversity.
still waiting for a dwarf, a special-needs and an openly gay. kurkjian almost fits
December 28th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I may be doing something else simultaneously (cooking, working, etc.), but all the games are on for my team (White Sox) when I’m home and I’m in front of the TV for them. Same thing goes for basketball (Bulls) but I don’t want to watch it enough to get the league pass, so it’s national games and WGN. NFL (Broncos) viewing includes all games. College football is sporadic, college basketball is March madness only, golf if Tiger is on and/or it’s a major, etc.
Thank God for you – someone here to point that out for the rest of us.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I’d take Golic off the list. Greenbergs douchiness is so strong that unfortunately the fat man gets caught in the fire.
Wow. Normally I’m a staunch /team YYSA member, but couldn’t disagree with you more there. Golic is a walking sports talk radio cliche, IMO.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
/takes a page out of TBL commentariat handbook
//goes to snitch on Vladimir to EIC
December 28th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Since no one is mentioning him, Gottlieb too.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Hugh Douglas is underrated. As in underratedly (is that a word?) bad.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Why is True Lies not only Blu Ray yet? That is the worst injustice.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
As in underratedly (is that a word?) bad.
his awfulness is underrated?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
/continues to stare at the Sacramone pic.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
I feel awful today…cold + lack of sleep + not much to do at work = me feeling like crap.
GF calls me from LA at 3AM, wanting to talk. Yeesh! Next thing I know, it’s 4:30 and I can’t sleep. Got into work at 6:30
December 28th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
He started out here and I grew up listening to his show. It was not anything like the dreaded 4 hours ESPN puts on. So yes he has gotten more cliche but really thats the ESPN format.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Normally this is where I’d mention tongue punching and fart boxes, but I don’t want to be shamed by ATL_Engager or PMS621.
So, I’ll only write that Keyshawn Johnson epitomizes all that’s wrong with the hiring process for sports talk shows. The guy is a loud mouth who was nothing more than a mediocre WR who was constantly self-promoting. And he’s still doing that. It’s interesting that his little segment of the lead in to Countdown focuses on his love of presumably high quality clothing. That’s about all he has to offer to a show about football – haberdashery. Keyshawn epitomizes the one thing most NFL fans dislike about the NFL – arrogant wide receivers. And yet ESPN keeps rolling him out there every Sunday morning to take up space.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
I’ve broken up with girls for similar things. Unless it’s a drunk dial…
December 28th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I know it’s not ESPN, but Shaq has been awful on “Inside the NBA”. I hate it when people mess with a good thing. That show should be Ernie, Kenny, and Charles. No one else should ever be allowed on the set.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
This is why my ringer always goes off at night. Something terrible happen? yea I’ll deal with that shit well rested thank you very much.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
I know it’s not ESPN, but Shaq has been awful on “Inside the NBA”.
Meh… give him some time. I saw a few flashes last night. He’s better at just sitting back and making cracks at charles/players rather than actually commenting over a highlight, that’s for sure. Agree that in a perfect world the show should only be EJ, Kenny and Charles though.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
shaq has always been awful…his schtick is stuck in whatever shaq-fu fantasyland he’s been living in for the past two decades.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
You don’t have to watch. It’s that simple.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
I AM KAZAAM!
December 28th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
/continues to stare at the Sacramone pic.
get me some sauce for them ribs
December 28th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Memphis or GTFO
December 28th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
GF calls me from LA at 3AM, wanting to talk. Yeesh! Next thing I know, it’s 4:30 and I can’t sleep
i did a lot of phone sex with girls i dated when i was single
December 28th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
she’s not to gamy for you?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
The guy is a loud mouth who was nothing more than a mediocre WR who was constantly self-promoting.
remember his adidas shoes? i had a pair and loved ‘em
December 28th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
I never really thought he was as funny as others made him out to be.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
gamy
the gamy-er the better i always say
/wtf is gamy?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Not really. The options at 9.A.M. for football coverage are pretty weak. And the CBS and FOX options aren’t any better. Keyshawn is an example of mistakes they all make regarding former athletes being given jobs because they happend to play. Whether it’s Shannon Sharpe, Deion Sanders, Michael Irvin, Strahan, or Keyshawn, it’s all essentially the same garbage. No value added.
But you’re right, I should just change the channel and watch something else. Fuk the man, right?
December 28th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
she’s not to gamy for you?
I’m not a fan of anything Brady Quinn’s been inside of.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
im not doing your 5-second google work for you.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Keyshawn epitomizes the one thing most NFL fans dislike about the NFL – arrogant wide receivers.
pretty general, major. i’m guessing arrogant wr is far down the list for most NFL fans
December 28th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
I forgot the best part. She’s keeps insisting on using facetime over her crappy hotel network which keeps cutting out. So I can’t just talk in the dark and mumble some shit and fall asleep.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
Not really. The options at 9.A.M. for football coverage are pretty weak. And the CBS and FOX options aren’t any better.
Here’s a tip: Don’t watch any pregame shows because they’re all worthless. Are you really THAT desperate for useless and probably inaccurate insight? If you’re going to say “fantasy purposes” most of the who is/isn’t playing can be found online/twitter as soon as it happens anyway. My TV does not come on a minute before 1:00 on Sunday.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
commercials? i mean, i know i cant be in the minority that hates the 1 part football, 3 part commercial viewing recipe.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
As bad as Keyshawn is the real reason to not watch countdown is the stroke victim who hosts it.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
im not doing your 5-second google work for you.
drat! foiled again.
well, let’s just say whatever gamy is, she’s not too much of it and i would let her try to have me
December 28th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
that’s good christmas ale, and bonus….6% AC
December 28th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
well, those gigantic shoulders are a lot more unnatural on a chick than abs are, and, if you don’t think she’s sporting a 6-pack…
December 28th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
oh no! six pack on alicia!
December 28th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
just going by the pic lawya. her face is no trophy either
December 28th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
oh no! six pack on alicia!
how did you find that?!
anyway, those aren;t horrible. i’m against the more obvious ones. bottom line, i don;t like angles on women
December 28th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Alicia will rearrange your face.
December 28th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
i googled “alicia sacramone abs”.
December 28th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Merril Hodge is biggest ass clown on there. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!
December 28th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Damn that stops being cute after college.
December 28th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
I loved pti when it debuted, still love it today.Wilbon gets to me with his agendas though. Love kornholio because I think a man that age should not care to much for the ‘breakdown of sports’, and he does’nt.