Don’t Like Michigan vs. Virginia Tech? Who Should The Sugar Bowl Have Taken?
Who should the Sugar Bowl have picked? The correct answer is Michigan and Virginia Tech, because the BCS is not a postseason system designed to reward merit. The goal, after the AQ bids are covered, is to rack up ticket sales, hotel room sales and television ratings. The choices were cynical, but those were the two biggest schools that made sense.
Who deserved the invite is a more complicated question, which we will examine here. The BCS rankings are nonsense. We’ll throw them out for objective analysis, beyond eliminating teams they would have eliminated (Georgia, MSU, TCU). We’ll use win-loss record. We’ll use Football Outsiders’ Fremeau Efficiency Index to look at teams possession by possession. We’ll use the Simple Rating System to account for schedule strength and margin of victory. We’ll account for their quality wins (top 40 SRS) and losses. Here are the teams.
Michigan: 10-2, FEI (7), SRS (9)
* Top 40 Wins: Notre Dame (17), Nebraska (23), Ohio State (34)
* Losses: Michigan State (15), Iowa (36)
Both ranking systems have Michigan in the Top Ten. By FEI, they had the fifth best offense and the 17th best defense. They had three SRS Top 40 wins. They played ten bowl-bound teams, eleven that had at least six wins. Losing to Michigan State in East Lansing is no slight to them. The Iowa loss should be a factor.
Virginia Tech: 11-2, FEI (20), SRS (26)
* Top 40 Wins: None
* Losses: Clemson (27), Clemson (27)
This shows why we look beyond win-loss records. The Hokies played one top 40 team, Clemson. They lost to the Tigers twice by three scores at home and at a neutral site. Their season gave us no evidence they could beat a good team. Using SRS is a predictor they would be dogs on a netural site against Oklahoma (+13.5), Boise or Michigan (+10), Baylor (+5.5) and Kansas State (+2.5).
Kansas State: 10-2, FEI (13), SRS (22)
* Top 40 Wins: Texas A&M (11), Baylor (14), Missouri (19), Texas (21)
* Losses: Oklahoma State (2), Oklahoma (6)
The Wildcats have the two least damning losses. Their best wins were solid or mediocre, depending on how highly you rate the Big 12. The BCS rankings placed them highly, because it did not account for margin of victory. Kansas State failed to beat a team in the SRS Top 98 by more than a touchdown.
Baylor: 9-3, FEI (36), SRS (14)
* Top 40 Wins: Oklahoma (6), TCU (18), Missouri (19), Texas (21),
* Losses: Oklahoma State (2), Texas A&M (11), Kansas State (22)
Baylor has four very good statistical wins. Two very good wins by any measure. Two of their losses, however, were blowouts. FEI also downgrades them heavily for their defense. The Bears were No. 1 in offensive FEI and No. 86 in defensive FEI.
Oklahoma: 9-3, FEI (11), SRS (6)
* Top 40 Wins: Texas A&M (11), Missouri (19), Texas (21), Kansas St. (22), FSU (24), Tulsa (39)
* Losses: Oklahoma State (2), Baylor (14), Texas Tech (62),
The Sooners had a number of solid wins. The rankings reflect the fact they were generally a very good team. The trouble is their losses. They were blown out in the Bedlam game and the Texas Tech loss is the worst on the board. They might be the most capable of the six teams, but that loss can’t be ignored.
Boise State: 11-1, FEI (10), SRS (8)
* Top 40 Wins: Georgia (16), Toledo (31), Tulsa (39)
* Losses: TCU (18)
The Broncos are in the top ten in both statistical rankings. They had a big win over Georgia and decent wins against Toledo and Tulsa. That said, the one tough conference game they had, they lost at home. They did not cover a spread once at home. We’re not going to go Craig James on them, but is beating a young Georgia team that got better as the season progressed enough evidence to make them elite?
Clearly, Virginia Tech was a terrible competitive choice. Oklahoma would also have been a poor choice because of their loss. Beyond that, it’s open to interpretation. Kansas State beat Baylor by a point at home and has one more win. Baylor has wins against Oklahoma and TCU. Only one can make it. Boise State has one more win than Michigan. Michigan played a tougher schedule. The teams are nearly identical statistically.
For the best game, we probably would have picked Michigan and Boise State. We’re not entirely convinced by the brutal SOS rankings coming out of the Big 12. We watched Texas, Texas A&M and Missouri play. We’re not sure they were Top 20 teams. We’re not sure Baylor and Kansas State were among the best ten.
Practically, the Wolverines were a legitimate choice. The Hokies were a purely financial one. It’s lamentable. It’s unfair, but that’s the outcome the BCS is designed to create. We’re not going to get too worked up about it.
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December 8th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Boise State.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Broncos
December 8th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
it should have been Arkansas, but they weren’t eligible.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
OU lost to Baylor, not ISU.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Michigan State is more deserving of an invite than Michigan is.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
/waits for BUT MSU WASN’T RANKED HIGH ENOUGH!!!
December 8th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
yeah, but this is the result that other teams have had to deal with playing in conference title games. I rather be playing in the B10 title game rather than going to the Sugar Bowl. We were better than UofM. There isn’t a doubt about that.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Where is Sparty?
December 8th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Browns
December 8th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Where is Sparty?
Look above.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
I don’t get Va Tech as sound financial choice, though. Do they pull ratings and have fans that travel? I’m seriously asking but my gut tells me they do neither
December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
how so? based on the wins and loses you show above, is Kansas State not a better option? because you talked yourself into them being shittier than Michigan?
this post reads like a Michigan fan trying to convince people that Michigan deserves to be int he Sugar Bowl. I kind of expected a little more Duff man.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
We were better than UofM. There isn’t a doubt about that.
Miami was 6-6, of course Michigan State was a better team.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
fuck michigan.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Pulls up chair, continues eating cake
December 8th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Or because the Sugar Bowl execs were doing Delany a solid for his performance last year in getting the OSU 5 to remain eligible for their game. Think Delany wanted to see Michigan get their ass kicked by a far superior
Boise team? For sure not.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
It was a great game. Who the fuck cares?
December 8th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
it took one of the most watered down, neutered years in college football for michigan to get back to the BCS…and pope urban’ll make sure they don’t get back any time soon.
/dougies
December 8th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I mean, Iowa State? You can’t spread such lies Duffy.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
You expect me to read all those words? Psh.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Boise beat down the SEC (which admittedly did have a down year) runner up in an away game. Let’s totally dismiss that with a one point conference loss at home though.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
No, because the computers say that Michigan is worthy. Those same computers also say that K-State played a much (MUCH) tougher schedule than Michigan, but Duffy isn’t convinced that those rankings are correct. He’d rather use the eye test in that case.
December 8th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
looks at avatar.
this guy right here kind of does.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I think we can all agree that Boise State should have been in, regardless of who their opponent was.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Joe Bauserman doesn’t move the needle.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Boise State should have gone in at the minimum. Kansas State is also more deserving over both Va Tech and Michigan. Also, how in the fuck is Michigan rated so highly in these polls Duffy uses? Who did they beat all year? An average NEB team, a below-average ND team and a terrible OSU team. How are they 9th and 7th in any poll?
I love how Duffy says the BCS rankings are nonsense, but he then turns around and uses the SRS rating that has Oklahoma 6th (are you fucking kidding me?) Texas A&M 11th and Missouri 19th. So a team that went 9-3, 6-6 and 7-5 are in the top 19? But yeah, the BCS numbers are TOTALLY bogus.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Only a Michigan fan would say this. They have no business being in this game.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
this. and even then, they struggled against ND and OSU.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
I think we can all agree that Boise State should have been in, regardless of who their opponent was.
Exactly. And we can all agree that their opponent should be Kansas State
December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
they struggled against ND
understatement. that game set defense back 50 years.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Take a minute and peruse that Smart Thingy Rankings Thing.
http://smartfootball.com/srs/simple-rating-system-final-results-and-predicting-the-bowls-1252011
It’s fucking stupid. Texas is ahead of KSU and OU is 6th.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
There was a report that I saw that said Delany argued against having Boise play Michigan. If true, that’s about as comical as it gets.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Quick epilogue for the two or three of you that expressed a modicum of interest in June Jones nearly going to Arizona State yesterday. He apparently met with the AD here this morning and then with the team. He released a statement through the Athletic Department today saying that he had several offers to coach elsewhere, seriously considered some (without naming ASU or that he accepted their offer as reported everywhere), and was completely above board with the university here about his communications and intentions. He then said he’s decided to stay here.
Now if that doesn’t stink like bullshit to everyone….
December 8th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
UGA would beat michigan by at least two scores.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Fuck ND
December 8th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
But, at least he’s still there for another year, right, MS?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
And I guarantee KSU would have outsold Virginia Tech, and probably Michigan, in tickets and rooms. K-Staters travel extremely well for bowl games.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Now if that doesn’t stink like bullshit to everyone….
Leigh Steinberg (his agent?) said yesterday that everything was done, all that was left was to sign the papers, but then ASU abruptly withdrew their offer. Wonder what ASU found out?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
ND handed Michigan that game. Injuries and the refs home cooking allowed Michigan to win against OSU.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Jones to ND!
December 8th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
would have never have happened in the FUBCS system.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
But the BCS numbers are bogus, dude. Totally bogus. Virginia Tech is 26th in the poll. Clemson is 27th. Clemson played Va Tech in B’burg and at a neutral site, beating them by a combined score of 61-13.
Marinate on that for a bit and get back to me.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
No, that is not the correct answer. Even based on that, I do not agree. Kansas State travels well, and they had a record-setting ticket sale for the 2000 Cotton Bowl…they also had a huge crowd at the 2003 Fiesta. I would bet with absolute certainty that K-State would have traveled better than Va Tech.
I would further argue that while Va. Tech has somewhat of a “name”, I doubt very seriously that a Michigan/Va Tech game will be higher-rated than a Michigan/Boise State game. In fact, I think the ratings will definitely be lower.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
My points this week:
1. It should have been the highest ranked team in the BCS. The Big 12 had TWO teams ranked higher than Michigan.
2. The Big 12 got FUCKED BIG TIME. They lost $20 million because Michigan is Michigan.
3. This has nothing to do with “deserve.” Michigan was chosen because some jackass wanted to watch them and he didn’t want to watch Kansas State.
4. Is picking up Michigan going to result in some kind of RATINGS! bonanza? Each BCS game has a captive college football audience, right? They don’t go up against another football game of any kind. Add to that the fact that networks are showing reruns up to mid-January, and Kansas State-Boise State would probably put up a halfway decent number. Not numbers low enough to bankrupt the system.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
I would further argue that while Va. Tech has somewhat of a “name”, I doubt very seriously that a Michigan/Va Tech game will be higher-rated than a Michigan/Boise State game. In fact, I think the ratings will definitely be lower.
This has Delaney written all over it. He wanted no part of Boise.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
gimme a break. the overturn of the Toussiant TD run was horrible.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
agree. Va Tech travels well. but nobody else watches them.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
baylor should not have gotten in, but should have made the cotton. probably k state or boise.
/heisman boner getting larger by the day
December 8th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Wonder what ASU found out?
The Third Mile
December 8th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
I really, really wanted to play them in the Cap One bowl. On another hilarious note, the SRS ratings also have Arkansas (10-2) behind Texas A&M (6-6) when ARK beat A&M this year.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
Marinate on that for a bit and get back to me.
Tasty.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Michigan State vs Boise State would have been cool, since the rematch would open up the 2012 season in EL.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
can you give me a count on the number of days? The Dispatch doesn’t have it up anymore.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I’d guarantee that a Mich-BSU game would be much bigger. It would do a huge number.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
The SRS rankings are just like the coaches and Harris polls, fully of gooey goodness
December 8th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
I don’t believe so, no…they’re not the NFL playoffs, the teams involved matter
December 8th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
You guys are going to catch Boise at the absolute best time. They lose 16 senior starters from this year’s team. Really good scheduling by your AD. Gets a big name in EL, but they’re in a rebuilding year.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
1496 Days
December 8th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Gods, your just butthurt because Michigan smashed your precious Cornhuskers.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Has Va Tech really been much of a “name” since the Vicks left? I’m thinking not, and I’m agreeing with this above statement. I know that I would have much rather preferred Michigan/Boise.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
What’s sad is that if Michigan would have gone to the Big Ten Championship Game, they wouldn’t have qualified for the BCS.
Michigan State beat Michigan and their reward is a shitty bowl game.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
that really is sad.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
I meant that they’re not going head-to-head with the Capital One Bowl. If you’re watching football that night, you’re watching the Sugar Bowl. And NCIS will be a rerun so you’re not missing anything.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Michigan hasn’t beat OSU in basketball since 2005.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Exactly. If you don’t like the BCS poll that’s fine, but saying it’s “nonsense,” and then citing the SRS rankings as your guide is just asinine. I’d argue the BCS is a much better ranking system than the SRS. I mean, outside of Clemson so far behind Va Tech, which poll looks better? The BCS, or the SRS?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Michigan going to the sugar bowl isn’t nearly as egregious as when Illinois went to the rose bowl that one year. I love the matchup too, VaTech hasn’t beaten anybody all year.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
deserve ain’t got nothing to do with it.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Not really. I don’t think NEB is very good this year. If anything I’m butthurt about how bad their defense was when it had so much promise to start the year. I do think UGA would beat Michigan, though. Handedly at that.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Not to mention that State split with a very good Wisconsin team and Michigan didn’t even have to play them once.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
i could but that’d make you lazy and entitled. just looking out for you bro.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
pau to houston for scola and martin.
dipshit move of the year. thanks for making another houston team shit, morey.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Big 10 fans (particularly MSU fans) got to learn what the other leagues w/ title games have known for a while. If you make the title game and already have 2 losses, you’d better win it. Otherwise you fall big time in the eyes of the bowls.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
As for Sparty they would be in the Rose Bowl if they don’t bump into the punter.
I don’t believe that is correct. But I’m too lazy to confirm.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
But, at least he’s still there for another year, right, MS?
The last year of his original contract is next season. He signed a two year extension after his second season, and so technically has three more seasons, including next year, where he is under contract.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Wow. Damn, Dwight really is gone
December 8th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
So this is the first Virginia Tech post that this site decides to put up today?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Leigh Steinberg (his agent?) said yesterday that everything was done, all that was left was to sign the papers, but then ASU abruptly withdrew their offer. Wonder what ASU found out?
Yes Steinberg is his agent. ASU withdrew the offer and claimed that Jones was taking too long. But it seems that boosters were not wild about the hire and let the school know. And that’s why the offer was withdrawn.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
link to Wisconsin being very good? they managed to lose to Ohio State.
The entire big ten was dreck.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
the fuck is a Bauserman?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
pau to houston for scola and martin.
Fuck me. I’m not basketball fan, but I can’t see how that’s a good move.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
You’ll find this is a difficult concept when it comes to anything related to MSU. They’re not the brightest crayons in the box.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
finishes 3rd place in dreck conference
gets BCS invite
/facepalm
December 8th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
I will say Kansas State should’ve gotten in. But between the two teams I think Michigan is more deserving anyway, so this post should really be about VaTech.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
oh, you forgot the part where MSU made Michigan bend over, again.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
WIS would have EASILY been MICH’s best win. I know MICH fans are pumped about the Sugar Bow, as well they should be, but trying to argue you should be there is silly. They went because MICH hasn’t been relevant in a long time, and the fans will travel en masse to New Orleans and people will watch on TV.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
They’re a Hail Mary away from 12-1 and a top-five ranking.
Oklahoma State lost a game to a shitty team on the road and people are screaming that they should play LSU. Which one is it?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
pau to houston for scola and martin.
Fuck me. I’m not basketball fan, but I can’t see how that’s a good move.
that’s not the deal. the deal includes Chris Paul to Lakers and all that junk to NO.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
yeah, excuse me for not crowning your ass.
B12 was very good this year. B1G was crap.
No weeks off in the B12 (except when you play Kansas).
/nods at clown
December 8th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
SRS has Cal 30th. That alone has led me to believe it is garbage.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I guess the biggest thing that is eating at me is the $20 million dollars and that Michigan was chosen because they are a “brand,” and yet they never give anybody else a chance to prove that they can be a “brand” too.
Of course nobody gives a fuck about Kansas State. Gameday doesn’t go there and you don’t hear announcers talking about “Kansas State Men” or whatever else bullshit mythology people want to make up.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
no need. just stay on all fours.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
that’s not the deal. the deal includes Chris Paul to Lakers and all that junk to NO.
I see. Well the part I care about is what the Rockets are getting and losing.
The McHale era is truly underway now.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
RIP New Orleans Hornets. No way they draw the minimum numbers they were barely hitting when CP3 was there.
/mission accomplished, NBA
December 8th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
sweet, so apparently the Shannon stuff from yesterday was a bunch of hearsay bs (shocking) and now they are saying Tyrone Nix is the front runner for the Arkansas DC position. can’t say I am that thrilled about that.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
see. Well the part I care about is what the Rockets are getting and losing.
The McHale era is truly underway now.
thats all i focused on too.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Of course nobody gives a fuck about Kansas State. Gameday doesn’t go there and you don’t hear announcers talking about “Kansas State Men” or whatever else bullshit mythology people want to make up.
Gameday was going to Manhattan until OU shit the bed against Tech the week before. Probably best they didn’t. KSU got smoked.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Have fun with that.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Celtic fans are giddy. They should be getting Kevin Martin for a bag of balls soon.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
It’s not like if the roles weren’t reversed Michigan would be going to the sugar bowl either. This is what happens when you have a championship game, why is everybody acting like this is unprecedented. Sorry, can’t feel bad for MSU going to a 2nd rate bowl when I’m a fan of the 6th ranked team in the country and can’t see them play in a BCS bowl cause the 23rd and 15th best teams in the country get an autobid.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Wait, what?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Alex Gonzalez to the Brewers.
/Just doesn’t have the same ring
December 8th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
but they beat more teams that were higher ranked. more, higher quality wins and better losses…your argument sucks.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Yikes. I don’t think Nix is very good. He’s not bad, but he’s essentially the same thing Arkansas had before. Shannon is a much better candidate for DC. There are some major coordinator jobs open along with the HCs at a few schools. Just off of the top of my head:
AUB DC
AUB OC (Malzahn is rumored to be Kansas’ guy)
NEB DC
ARK DC
ARI DC
ASU’s entire staff
KAN’s entire staff
UCLA’s entire staff
Illinois’s entire staff
Texas A&M’s entire staff
December 8th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
quite the list for OSU’s OC too.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
pau to houston for scola and martin.
dipshit move of the year. thanks for making another houston team shit, morey.
is this a done deal?
December 8th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Yeah, I tried not to get my hopes over Shannon, he can really recruit. I’ve heard Nix can too, and Ole Miss always seems to have a few elite level guys, but I’m not exactly thrilled at that prospect either.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Shit. Totally forgot about OSU. Add both their OC and DC to the list. Lots of good jobs open.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
is this a done deal?
no, its not. but i cant believe the rockets are even discussing that.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
fickell’s prolly DC or co-DC, so that one’s kinda less dramatic.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
EXACTLY. that is what I don’t get. everyone hated Willy Robinson, but shit, why replace him with the exact same thing? I don’t know where all the Shannon rumors came from (actually I probably do, message board shit) but Nix is quite the letdown.
what really sucks is that when Petrino first came here, Ellis Johnson was the DC for about 2 weeks, then he got the offer from So Carolina and bolted.
/sigh
December 8th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
I’m not seeing anything anywhere about this Lakers/Rockets/Hornets deal
December 8th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
I’m not seeing anything anywhere about this Lakers/Rockets/Hornets deal
it’s blowing up on twitter, it’s on hoopsworld, and a few other places.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
True. What’s the word on the OC now that the Clemson guy said no thanks?
Wow. DId not know that. Talk about a bad move to let hm go. Ellis might be the most underrated coordinators in CFB. I read a rumor Southern Miss was looking at him for their HC. As a UGA fan, I’m all for that move.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
of course, none of that makes it real. It’s a discussion that I’m sure will fall completely through.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Here.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
I think it had something to do with his wife being from the S Carolina area and him getting the offer there, not sure what the details were behind it, but yeah, I agree with you on the coordinator part. I think he will HC somewhere soon.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
A lot of people up in here that do not understand the difference between predictive and retroactive rankings and that teams that are roughly equal and played a close game may in fact be roughly equal.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
You can’t rip one ranking set and then give me one that has Texas A&M at 11 and expect us to take it seriously. It just shows how bad all rankings are. Over time teams develop patterns. Take Texas A&M, for example. Yeah, they played OKST very tough, but that team that played OKST very tough isn’t the same team in week 4 that are in week 12. Texas A&M is not a good team. Period.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Oooooh, look at Lisk. He thinks he’s sooooo Duffy using words like “predictive” and “retroactive” and “fact.”
December 8th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
A lot of people up in here that do not understand the difference between predictive and retroactive rankings and that teams that are roughly equal and played a close game may in fact be roughly equal.
A lot of people up in here know aTm is not #11 as well
December 8th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
You probably didn’t mean it like this, but all I got out of this was: “rankings are dumb, everybody sucks”
December 8th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Oooooh, look at Lisk. He thinks he’s sooooo Duffy using words like “predictive” and “retroactive” and “fact.”
And spelling up in hurrr with only one r
December 8th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Rankings are dumb. You can’t use a billion different stats just like you can’t use just wins and losses. The SRS is the latest best and brightest rankings in the CFB world, yet they have Texas A&M ahead of 5 teams that have better records and beat them head-to-head. So on one hand you say the BCS is a joke, but on the other you use that set of rankings because, well, they’re PREDICTIVE!! makes no sense to me.
December 8th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Texas A&M is not a good team. Period.
yes, and people need to quit trying to make the case that they are.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
A lot of people up in here that do not understand the difference between predictive and retroactive rankings and that teams that are roughly equal and played a close game may in fact be roughly equal.
A lot of people here also don’t know what the word “moratorium” means, as I discovered earlier. So maybe you need to set the bar a little lower.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
But if you break down their YPG and the differential between what they give up on the ground to what they concede in the air. you get a number that says they’re 11th, and it’s predictive, so it’s the god damn gospel.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
lol
the 4th line is priceless
December 8th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
The SRS is the latest best and brightest rankings in the CFB world, yet they have Texas A&M ahead of 5 teams that have better records and beat them head-to-head. So on one hand you say the BCS is a joke, but on the other you use that set of rankings because, well, they’re PREDICTIVE!! makes no sense to me.
The SRS is not new or latest, the concepts are older than either of us. There is little fancy about it. It is similar to the principals that underlie things like Sagarin rankings. I would not use the SRS to rank teams based on who deserves to be in something, but I would use them to evaluate how difficult a schedule was, and I would use them to evaluate teams with the same record. Texas A&M doesn’t deserve anything, they blew all those games. If they played against Arkansas again, on a neutral field, the point spread line would be within 3 points either way. The SRS generally mirrors the line pretty well.
Every rating system has issues. No one claims otherwise. If Texas A&M has a fatal flaw that prevents them from winning close games, SRS will overrate them because they were in everyone of those games against a tough schedule.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
By the SRS or by Vegas? Because Vegas sure as shit wouldn’t set that line at anything less than 7.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:42 PM
Kansas hires Mangino Part II.
December 8th, 2011 at 7:42 PM
I think the point has been made and we can all agree
Michigan and all their fans are faggots
December 8th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Stop it with the head to head crap. Is Iowa State a better team than Okie State just because they won head to head? No. Iowa State was the better team that Friday Night in the 2nd OT after coming back in the game after Okie State learned of a campus tragedy. On the whole though only 2 other teams even have an argument of being as good as them.
Sure Michigan State beat Michigan but they lost to ND who Michigan beat so that must mean Central Michigan rules right? Michigan State also lost to Nebraska who again Michigan beat. But, lets ignore the overall body of work because head to head.
And stop with the Texas AM. They are an extreme outlier because its not too often you have a team like them. That blew out teams in their wins but had very close losses (for the most part). Most of the time you are going to end up around .500 in close games but they didn’t this year.