Leadership Changes Atop the Big 12 and Pac 12, Plus Oklahoma State Getting Screwed Likely Will Lead to a Plus-1 College Football Playoff in 2015
After it was announced that Oklahoma State was left out of the BCS title game due to the computers and uninformed voters, Big 12 interim commish Chuck Neinas said the following:
“The plus-one model has received consideration before,” Neinas said. “As a result of this year, I feel that consideration should become more serious as we move forward.”
If you’re keeping score at home, commissioners from the SEC and ACC back the idea of a plus-1 playoff. Neinas replaced resident idiot Dan Beebe, who was totally against a playoff of any sort. Back in 2008, Beebe partnered up with then-Pac 10 commish Thomas C. Hansen and Big Ten commish Jim Delaney to block any efforts at a plus 1.
If you look at the breakdown now, Beebe’s replacement is clearly pushing for a plus 1. Hansen has been replaced by Larry Scott, who is a bit of a wild card in all of this. Given the expansion of his conference, the money that is flowing into his conference, the impressive collection of coaches in his conference, and the strength his conference might have in 2012 if Matt Barkley returns to USC, I’m going to guess Scott is a playoff guy. (Gosh, I hope I’m right.)
Jim Delaney still runs the Big Ten, and he’s a clueless rube, so there’s no hope there. I know what I want next year: the Pac-12 and Big Ten getting the Oklahoma State treatment. Wonder how Scott and Delaney will feel if USC and Michigan are BCS title game-worthy, but the computers and voters favors two more SEC teams (LSU, which will be loaded and … Arkansas?).
Auburn getting snubbed in 2004 led to Slive’s idea for a plus-one. Let’s hope Neinas feels the same way after Oklahoma State got it hard and fast. Conference commissioners (10 leagues plus Notre Dame following the CUSA-MWC merger) will vote in 2012, and if they vote for a plus-one, it’ll take effect in 2015, after the TV contract expires in 2014.

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December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Plus-1>>>>>>BCS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>16 team playoff.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Turn the Cotton Bowl into a BCS bowl, keep the NCG and make it the plus 1. Keep a sixteen team bullshit bracket system the hell away from the sport. Everyone wins.
/50% capacity at the ASU/Maine game Saturday
December 5th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
What does this have to do with a playoff?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
So, no one wants to talk about Colorado State’s big athletic department upheaval?????
December 5th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Everyone always gets so indignant when it’s their conference getting screwed. Where was the Big XII before? Let me hear from someone without a horse in the race.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
lol. B1G is making bank, I wonder how much more bank they could be making if a clueless rube wasn’t caling the shots.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
The Big East?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
lol. B1G is making bank
This. Also, B1G network>>>>>>>>>>>NFL network in terms of production (and availability).
December 5th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Everyone always gets so indignant when it’s their conference getting screwed. Where was the Big XII before? Let me hear from someone without a horse in the race.
This right here. If Oklahoma State was in the title game for equally shitty voting, Neinas would be proclaiming the qualities of the BCS. His motives in advocating for the +1 here are far from pure.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Not an advocate of more than a 4-8 team playoff, but I think that might have more to do with the fact that ASU was playing Maine.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Jim Delaney and Sepp Blatter are like peas in a pod. Deal with it.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
/hey I’m an ACC guy, now!
//hates it
December 5th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
but I think that might have more to do with the fact that ASU was playing Maine.
I don’t buy the Division 2 football has terrible attendance at playoff games argument. I’m sure the AAA baseball playoffs have terrible attendance too.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
They haven’t sold out the home section of seating in years for playoff games and have the majority of their alumni base within three hours. It’s horrid.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
One of the few things that we agree on this matter. It would take a B10 school getting passed over for the NC for change to come. Not much arguing about that.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
I could make money with a conference that had Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State.
All those teams have to do are win 10 games and they’ll steal somebody else’s BCS bid.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
So a 4 team playoff instead of a 2 teamer? Sounds fine. I just hope it makes Joe Q Casual happy.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
The thing is, the attendance for the IAA playoffs is worse than the attendance for the IAA regular season.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
I saw lets go the other way, lets go with about 15 bowl games with conference tie ins like it was in 1980.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
And just so there are no bones about it, that 2004 Auburn team is/was way better than the 2011 Pokes.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Don’t they give the home games to the highest bidder? I don’t think Montana has ever played a road game. Every year they send a Southland Conference team from Louisiana or Texas up there in December and they get the crap beat of them in 11 degree temperatures.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Exactly. I’d then get to hear Delany whine like a little bitch about it and try to come up with a plus one to take the credit. Slive has said that he was shocked when he proposed a plus one several years ago how little the Big 10 or Pac 10 cared. They treated it like it was a non starter.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I think we should switch back to all the uniforms we had in the 1980s too. Let’s gets retro up in this bitch. WHO’S COMIN’ WITH ME?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
The thing is, the attendance for the IAA playoffs is worse than the attendance for the IAA regular season.
Still, comparing Division 2 to a playoff game where Alabama is hosting the # 4 or 8 seed is a stretch. And lets not forget that the vast majority of Bowl games have a lot of empty seats. Will the orange bowl be half full this year? It wasn’t last year when Stanford was in it.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:24 PM
I like!
December 5th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
WHO’S COMIN’ WITH ME?
Anything that can utilize the half jersey\half shirt as a legal uniform is cool with me — also, and neck roll is encouraged.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Seattle Times wrote about this scenario in August.
http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/collegesports/2015896289_proposal13.html
those commish moves are huge. As is Oklahoma State getting shafted.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Jim Delaney still runs the Big Ten, and he’s a clueless rube, so there’s no hope there
lol. B1G is making bank, I wonder how much more bank they could be making if a clueless rube wasn’t caling the shots.
Wetzel, who is biased tbh, had an article recently where he compared Delany to Slive and made the case that each one had it right for their conferences.
Beebee though was a total rube who got played by Delany and by Hansen. For his troubles he lost Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Mizzou. Oops.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
well the best news is that the 4-teamer is going to be so great and lucrative, you know an 8-team playoff won’t be too far behind.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Mesh jersey, cut off at the stomach, with huge collar rolls?
Hell and yes.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:26 PM
UNH missed a game-tying extra point with under a minute to go. That kind of crap is part of the reason people don’t go to those games… people will only pay for that if the game is in Dallas.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:26 PM
TBL knows this isn’t right, they had to travel to JMU a few years ago for the semi final. Montana has also won or split their conference title thirteen straight years I believe, that plays a big role in their home scheduling.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Maybe. This is literally Clemson’s biggest game in 20 years. How does West Virginia travel?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
While I think OKST should have gotten in, they are pretty fucking stoked in Stillwater today. First ever conference title and first BCS game. Gundy is a hero there.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Mesh jersey, cut off at the stomach, with huge collar rolls?
This is exactly what I was trying to say except without the nonsensical grammar
December 5th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
@KingGrizz, I like the cut of your jibb.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Caveat on the collar roll: if it matches the jersey color, you’re suspended for the rest of the season.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
travel by river when possible, hitchhike from there.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
How does West Virginia travel?
By stagecoach?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
DAMMIT SPENCE!
December 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
LSU vs Standard be awesome to see luck go against an NFL secondary and a great pass rush. LSU kills them though.
Alabama vs OK ST isn’t this a game that should be played this year? I think Richardson kills OK ST and Saban would win controlling the clock but would be a great game. Fuck you BCS.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
In these
December 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
I’ve gotta hand that one to ATL, close though.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
8 teamer is not happening anytime soon.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Plenty of room for couches and a meth lab in the back.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
@KingGrizz, I like the cut of your jibb.
Coming from the person who really made a statement in the Craig James thread — that means alot.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Delaney will feel like shit because it means the rest of the conference he runs sucks.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Wait….you all hate the BCS and then you propose a 4-team playoff that features two teams that didn’t play for their conference championships?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Stinks like sex in here.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
JHS – that’s fine. we’ll get the 4-team playoff in 2015. by 2020ish, we’ll have an 8-teamer. i know that sounds very far away, but 8 years is nothing.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Excuse my Canadian ignorance, but how does a playoff solve anything? Aren’t you just going to have the 5th or 9th or 17th ranked teams complaining instead of the 3rd ranked team?
Is it not ok to admit that the overall structure of college football (huge # of teams, non-interlocking conferences) doesn’t allow for the applicaton of the conventions used by pro sports to determine champions?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Look, this is an important story, with huge implications, but I gotta go OT:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/pay-freeze-queen-uk-austerity-measures-122721847.html
The Queen taking a pay freeze? Renting out rooms for parties? What in the blue heck is the world coming to?
/back to plus-1 talk
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
When you Google Image “College Football tearaway jerseys” this is one of the images that comes up.
/SFW
//Kathy Ireland could get it back in the day
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Wait….you all hate the BCS and then you propose a 4-team playoff that features two teams that didn’t play for their conference championships?Yup.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
The official state activity is portage.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
i know that sounds very far away, but 8 years is nothing.
Tell that to OJ Simpson.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Possibly the funniest thing I have read this month.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
WHO’S COMIN’ WITH ME?
Anything that can utilize the half jersey\half shirt as a legal uniform is cool with me — also, and neck roll is encouraged.
If we’re running the wishbone, I am all in.
/counter option, off the belly series
December 5th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
fwiw, i have never had a beef or mentioned “conference championship” in any of my arguments.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
They have been talking about playoffs since the mid to late 90s
December 5th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
That’s kinda the point. Nothing will change because it’s Oklahoma State. But when Michigan or Notre Dame gets left out…THIS MEANS WAR!
December 5th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Jim Delaney and Larry Scott, like David Stern and Roger Goodell, is motivated by the people that are their bosses. Those people run the universities in their conference. As it stands, Jim Delaney and Larry Scott have received the maximum number of BCS bids for the 2nd consecutive year (Delaney’s steak is longer than that). Somehow, I think you’re misrepresenting their motivating factors by thinking a playoff will be more financially beneficial to the people they directly report to.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Why do we need an 8 team playoff? With the way the college football season is setup, are 8 teams really worthy of playing for the national title? Implement a +1 and be done with it.
Plus One>>>>>>>>>>>>>BCS>>>>>>>>>>>>>8 team playoff>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>16 team playoff for Jimmy Brackets
December 5th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Dammit that should say 16 for the last playoff above. Fail.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
The Sanchez and Michigan posts would be going back and forth like this
December 5th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
T. Boone Pickens has powerful friends. He’s got plenty of money for lobbying too. Notre Dame and Michigan may have the name brands, but Okie State has just as many weapons in this game as they do.
That brings up discussing football in arenas like the courts and Congress which I think is a complete waste of each venue’s time.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
i nearly caught a monster pike in ontario after a portage.
word of the day. portage
porridge
more please
December 5th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
i fail to see how Ok St got shafted, but whatevs… so far the Canadian is the smartest person in this thread.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
Boone doesn’t give a fuck. He’s beyond thrilled OKST won the Big 12 and is playing in a BCS game.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
I remember vividly when USC got screwed in 2003. They lost their minds. The even had a video of a USC player throwing a football into a BCS computer and destroying it.
Then in 2004 when Auburn was left out, USC told us that you had to respect the authority of the BCS.
/since you all are criticizing Nick Saban’s flip-flop
//everything’s relative
///not a West Virginia joke
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
All sorts of syntax errors in my comment, not to mention the red meat blunder, but you guys get my point. Well, most of you.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Excuse my Canadian ignorance, but how does a playoff solve anything? Aren’t you just going to have the 5th or 9th or 17th ranked teams complaining instead of the 3rd ranked team?
There’s always someone on the outside looking in, angry that they’re out. Maybe this year Oregon has a case to be above Stanford, but that may be splitting hairs.
Point is, a plus-one ensures you capture the cream of the year’s crop. No one denies that LSU, Bama, Okie State and Stanford were 4 of the best teams this year. One of them is likely the best team this year. Rather than arguing as to who it is, let them fight for it.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Stream of consciousness commenting… awesome!
/pours one out for Vez
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
T. Boone has said publicly that OkSt’s goal is to make the BCS. Mission accomplished.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
They had a much better resume. I get why you will disagree as you’re a Bama fan, but their resume was better. Bama-LSU will be the tits, though.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
You want to know who got shafted? UT 3 seasons ago. Oklahoma played in the NCG instead of them. Nothing changed
December 5th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Boone doesn’t give a fuck. He’s beyond thrilled OKST won the Big 12 and is playing in a BCS game.
and having a stadium named for him…how many folks get that while they’re still alive?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
A portage wine goes great with a salty cheese
December 5th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
T. Boone Pickens has powerful friends
December 5th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
ha. Central Arkansas did just that last Saturday and got smoked.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
He’s right, only took 50 years for the NCAA tourney to octuple in size.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
You guys with the resume argument seem to be neglecting the termination from Iowa State on Oklahoma State’s resume.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
No.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
True, but the #3 and #4 teams will usually have a lot stronger argument than the 5th, 9th, etc. There is no perfect system, but under the current method, only two teams get a legit shot. No team SHOULD complain about having more of a chance under a new system whether it’s a 5%, 25%, or 100% greater chance.
But other college sports including hockey, soccer, baseball, even women’s field hockey and lower division football have the same issue but still have a playoff system.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
If it was the playoffs, that wouldn’t count against them as much. The NCAA tournament takes into account extenuating circumstances, who you were missings, etc.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
I think judging a resume has to include wins and losses. Bama “wins” in the loss argument for sure, but they only beat 3 teams all year that were above .500, and Iowa State finished 32nd in the BCS, above 8/11 of Bama’s wins.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
How much revenue do those sports generate? How many of them are subsidized by the revenue from the football program?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
who you beat should be more important than who you lost to.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
nice yysa
December 5th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
What is an interlocking conference?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Would have been symbolically better though if ISU would have come within 35 points of Missouri. And about the only thing that separated Iowa State from Missouri was that game.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Honest question, does a major CFB playoff system generate more or less money? I’d have to guess more.
Keep the majority of the current bowls. Rotate the playoff games between the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, etc.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Says the guy whose team lost to Iowa.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Michigan would like you to STFU here as they didn’t beat a team worth a shit all season. I think you have to look at all phases. Wins, losses and SOS. OKST won 2 out of 3 of those categories, and they didn’t already lose (at home) to LSU earlier this season. As Darrell said earlier, Bama is in because of what the SEC has done the past 5 years.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
So that field goal against Iowa State was actually good right? Okie St got fuuuuuucked.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Didn’t Florida lose to Ole Miss at home when they were in a similar situation to Okie State, and they still went to the title game? I don’t really care either way, I just think the thing that frustrates people with the BCS is its lack of continuity.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
I’m pretty sure my mom debunked the “everyone else is doing it” logical fallacy when I was 5.
Using the BCS to discredit the BCS, fantastic work.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
They had a much better resume.
they had more quality wins, but a terrible loss in comparison to bama’s one loss.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
Less corruption/skimming off the top… why would they let that happen. Why would Congress reform laws against corporations that are their biggest donors?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
So that field goal against Iowa State was actually good right? Okie St got fuuuuuucked.
That’s the thing a lot of people seem to forget… that field kind of looked good when I was watching on TV… and the kicker seemed to think it was good.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
You’d have a very tough time scheduling those games. You’re better off arguing for a playoff with actual home games. It has less of a set of problems than rotating them between bowl sites. It still presents a laundry list of problems but you wouldn’t have to spend $30 and 8 hours and the laundromat to fix it like you would rotating them between the bowl sites.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:52 PM
The best damn kicker in the land!
December 5th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
Yep, and my mom debunked the “clinging to illogical, outdated ways of doing things just to be different” logical fallacy when I was 4.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I see where you’re coming from but it seems like the argument is to replace a highly subjective system that pisses many people off with a a highly subjective system that pisses slightly fewer people off. I guess that’s an improvement in a sense but I think it still leaves you with the same basic problem.
I would think that proponents of a playoff format should also be strongly advocating a total conference and scheduling overhaul as well. If you want a true playoff, the following could work:
- 4 conferences
- 20 teams each
- 10 team divisions
- All teams in a division play each other once
- Division winners play for conference championship
- Four conference champions play-off for National Championship
- Bowl games for non-conference champs
- Any non-conference games are considered exhibitions and have to be player prior to the start of conference play
Again, I am far from an expert on college football but I think anyone supporting a playoff has to be willing to except a structure like this. I realize this kills some traditions, forces independents to join a conference and probably screws up any number of other things that I’m not aware of. I also have no idea what impact it would have on revenue.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I’m not using it to discredit the BCS. I’m using it to discret the polls. The human voters fucked this up, not the computers.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
I’m just wondering how much longer one can possibly trumpet a playoff, write the same misguided posts and concede change is probably 4 years away. Especially with a track record on projections in college football that includes Stoops to Notre Dame and Denard Robinson being one of the 3 most exciting college football players in the last 30 years.
I cannot make this any clearer than that.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Playoff would only work if the universities hosted games. You can’t have 40,000 people traveling all over the country 3 weeks in a row. I’d say keep the lessor bowl games as sort of an NIT, then have the The semi-finals and finals at one of the BCS sites.
/hasn’t really thought thought out my plan
//probably has holes
December 5th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
WTF? I hate Monday’s.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
/pours one out for Vez
preciate it
/did i break a TBL rule?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Highly doubt T. Boone U fails to score a touchdown at home against LSU, especially after an off-week, but what’s done is done.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Wait…Michigan belongs in the BCS when they lost to a team that lost to Iowa State?
/brainsplosion
December 5th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
I hate the BCS but I will enjoy the money I make off of my Fiesta bowl tickets this year. Thank you very much.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Stanford at LSU
OK ST at Alabama
/Although OK ST travelling would cause a fuckton of arguments and would change voting
//Not trying to have a perfect solution just a more equitable one
December 5th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
They do give up 40+, though, so it cuts both ways.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
9 games isn’t enough… too many ties. Also… non-conference games now mean nothing at all? I don’t see that ever happening.
/So I will definitely except this
December 5th, 2011 at 12:57 PM
They do give up 40+, though, so it cuts both ways.
To teams with competent QB’s though.
/troll’d
December 5th, 2011 at 12:57 PM
I see much more clearly now. Oklahoma State doesn’t belong because they lost to Iowa State.
But Michigan belongs in the BCS when they lost to a team that lost to Iowa State.
And yet…Kansas State got fucked and they beat Iowa State.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
One of those being academics, which despite what some of us might think, are still the primary function of universities in this country.
However, I would like to applaud your effort in coming up with a solution that isn’t complete speculation with a lack of vision for other peripheral factors. You’ve done more in this regard than many of the playoff proponents have in the last half decade.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I think we should change the format for awarding La Coupe Grey.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
The plus 1 in 2009 would have been fun. 5 undefeated teams. Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise. Boise was ranked 6th so they would have been out. Every system has people yelling and screaming to get in (see: NCAA basketball tournament), but I’m a huge fan of the plus 1 instead of this 16 team nonsense Duffy and TBL splay out without any regard for logistics.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Do the bottom 10 get relegated and the top ten from 80 – 112 get promoted?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
you must hate money.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I was referring to interlocking schedules that with other conferences like you have with the NBA, NHL & NFL. MLB interleague play doesn’t cound because it’s totally unbalanced.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
What generates more revenue? Gate sales, merchandise, concessions, etc. or network TV contracts, TV ad sales, (gulp) ratings etc.?
December 5th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
clown is doing an admirable job of deflecting attention from Mack Brown getting forced out today. I must give credit for that.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
Dear Arkansas fans, your team didn’t get screwed by the BCS. You got blown out by Alabama and LSU. Shut the fuck up.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
The director of the Kraft Fight Hungry Bowl made $377K in 2009! Yeah, the bowl system has no desire to change.
December 5th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
/Giggles
December 5th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Academics have no place in FBS football just like facts have no place in organized religion.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
One of those being academics, which despite what some of us might think, are still the primary function of universities in this country.
Universities? Of course. Not their athletic departments though. You can’t tell me that when I just saw NC, Kansas, MSU etc. log about 10000 frequent flier miles in two weeks with tournaments/games in NYC, San Diego, and Hawaii… during the week… while the semester was in session.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
There is no perfect system, but a plus one (I think) is the best. It keeps the bowls in place and gets the best teams in place. Yes, some team will be left out, but that’s always the case in any system.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Dude, the people who put Bama in the title game are the same cronies who made the Sugar Bowl selections.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:01 PM
“Plus Oklahoma State Getting Screwed…”
So Ok State went undefeated and were kept out of the title game? I thought they lost a game.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:01 PM
coach K and pat summit as SI’s sportspersons of the year? Yawn
December 5th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
12 < 80-something
December 5th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
When was the last time so many coaches got canned before the bowls in CFB?
December 5th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
/correct’d
December 5th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
LOL.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Havent you heard, Kansas State and Baylor are the 72 Dolphins. And 7-5 Texas is ranked, so thats also a really good win.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
i’ve got it! this fucking subject is interesting because no matter what change comes about it will be something different. all these scenarios are exciting, with the top teams in a torunament, home games, because we want to see a title settled differently
we don’t care about the money but the folks in control do and that’s all that counts.
personally i’d like to see stanford v. lsu. luck versus his firs NFL defense/secondary
December 5th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
12 < 80-something
So, fuck academics if it affects the basketball team because it’s only 12 guys instead of 80? Okay. At what point to academics matter? When the travel affects more than 20 kids? 50? Come on.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
I like when SI writers tweet this out as BREAKING NEWS! Like people give a fuck about who’s gonna win the SI Sportsman of the Year.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Dude blew up this year. Went from 5-7 to 7-5. He should get a raise. $5.7 million a year is awesome. Homey is making a little over $1 million per win the past two years.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:05 PM
If it was about academics, they’d play all the bowl games while the schools were on winter break.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:05 PM
Actually, that’s a misconception too. We all want to see the title settled via playoff. Some of us just happen to realize that it’s not currently possible with the limitations involved with amateur athletics.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:05 PM
oh like when ESPN has a breaking news tag on something that aired 4 hours earlier?
December 5th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
If it was about academics, they’d play all the bowl games while the schools were on winter break.
ding ding ding. And not during the middle of december during finals week so the game could be broadcast on ESPN2.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Yeah, but Alabama went on the road in front of 110k and beat a crappy PSU team with 2 horrendous qb’s! And, oh yeah, they played a shitty OOC schedule and beat up on weak Big 10 teams so we’re gonna trumpet the fact that they got to 9 wins!
December 5th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Except for every other college sport.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
When you tear your ACL.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
If you’re not going to discuss this reasonably, then I’m not going to discuss it at all. You’d have to be tremendously dense to not realize the difference between educating 12 students and 80+ students while traveling.
You’d also have to completely neglect the 1 and done rule in the NBA and the 3 years removed from high school rule the NFL employs.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
link?
December 5th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
When you tear your ACL.
Ha.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
I’ve already explained why it works in baseball and hockey. Use your mouse effectively and scroll up.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
but..but..but..Alabama went north and played in front of 110 thousand fans! Don’t you know that a huge crowd is SO DAMN IMPORTANT? WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHHH
December 5th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
I’d say beating a 9 win team in one of the toughest stadiums on the planet is a touch better then beating a 3 win Arizona team at home.
And I wanted to see OkSU get the nod, I’m just able to comprehend the reasons they didnt.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
You mean you don’t have an office pool going about who’s going to win this thing? I had Tebow, thought it was a lock.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
If it was possible, we’d all watch it. It’s not, so we can’t. If logistics, academics and the other factors weren’t a limitation, you can’t tell me that you’d be opposed to watching a tournament in college football.
Take off the Maize and Blue glasses before answering please.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
where are Arkansas fans bitching? and if me or any other Arkansas fans were bitching and putting up teams they lost too, I would say that losing to Alabama and LSU is way, way better than losing to Clemson twice or to Iowa. but again, I’m not bitching.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Sadly, it’s true. The fanbase is getting tired of these Richt-like and Ferentz-esque seasons.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
college basketball rosters are bigger than 12 guys like NBA rosters. They are usually 15-18 guys plus student managers, etc. It’s still a big difference but it’s not as little as 12.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
He’s paid those millions in textbooks, tutoring, highlighters and microscopes.
/All about the academics you clueless rubes
December 5th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
If you’re not going to discuss this reasonably, then I’m not going to discuss it at all. You’d have to be tremendously dense to not realize the difference between educating 12 students and 80+ students while traveling.
How am I not being reasonable by valuing the “academic integrity” of the basketball team the same as the football team? Does the basketball player not go to school to get an education the same as the football player. Your argument is nonsense. So what if the basketball player has a couple dozen less teammates. Also, I doubt the football team travels 80 players, but I could be wrong.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Not you..just a few on twitter and some media who are saying Arkansas was one of the teams screwed out of a BCS game.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
Actually when you include the cheerleaders, band, and support personnel its probably closer to 500 students.
But thats right, we’re losing the band, leaving the cheerleaders at home and having these playoff games in pro stadiums. Hopefully all the games are being called by NFL guys on Fox too.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
I’m refuting this blanket statement. It is possible. It’s even possible for major college football.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
Yay. He makes money, while turing his conference into the Danica Patrick of college football.
/name-brand recognition
//television revenues
///cannot compete on the playing field
December 5th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7318214/icing-kicker-work
I put this in the other post, but it’s some discussion related to a conversation we had some time ago about going for 2 up 7.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Nevermind on the 80+ players part, I’m sure they all travel to bowl games, I was thinking regular season. Point still remains the same.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
No. He doesn’t.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
No. He doesn’t.
Ha. Okay. I’m sure the walkons who are actually there to get an education aren’t affected at all by playing in Maui on a Tuesday night in November.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Well, if we want to further distance the college from the pro game, why keep score at all? Why not have a panel of coaches and media members watch each game and then vote which team they think should have won?
December 5th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Last week, CNN sent me a breaking news message on my phone that the Republican debate they were sponsoring was about to begin.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Both can leave school without graduating because it’s all about academics.
Basketball players who are talented enough to play in the NBA must pretend to be a student for a year because it’s all about the academics.
I can promise college scholarships to players and then effectively kick them out of school whenever I want because it all about the academics.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
I’m not opposed to watching and I’d watch. I’d just prefer a return to the old bowl system with no unhealthy obsession about the national championship.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Both can leave school without graduating because it’s all about academics.
Basketball players who are talented enough to play in the NBA must pretend to be a student for a year because it’s all about the academics.
I can promise college scholarships to players and then effectively kick them out of school whenever I want because it all about the academics.
STOP MAKING UNREASONABLE POINTS, I WILL NOT DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.
–SC, if I had made that comment.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
You are so dense and easily the #1 reason I don’t come here as often as I used to.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
You are so dense and easily the #1 reason I don’t come here as often as I used to.
I’ll be sure to make some valid points more then, if it means you’ll stay away and I don’t have to put up with your trolling.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
I’m sure the walkons who are actually there to get an education aren’t affected at all by playing in Maui on a Tuesday night in November
not sure about hoops, but football walk-ons don’t always travel. unless they are really good walk-ons
December 5th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
yeah, I mean it is stupid to say that they belong in a BCS Bowl. it is just as stupid that michigan and va. tech are there too though. I think Arkansas would have a lot bigger gripe if they hadn’t gone last year. I am fine with the Cotton. shit, Friday night, prime-time, only game on that day plus a decent match-up.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
not sure about hoops, but football walk-ons don’t always travel. unless they are really good walk-ons
They probably do to bowl games though. And that’s what were talking about, so that should be noted.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
A lot of the Arkansas-related feeds I follow on twitter were bitching pretty heavily yesterday. It struck me as kind of odd.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
Amen. And I enjoy the controversy, I’ve said it before but being “screwed” out of a title is often more memorable then actually winning one.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
Of all the things I’ve said on here to get called dense over, I didn’t think my stance that college Athletic Departments not completely being about education is strange.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
I didn’t think my stance that college Athletic Departments not completely being about education would be it.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
They probably do to bowl games though. And that’s what were talking about, so that should be noted.
Walk Ons (atleast at tOSU) go to bowl games. A friend of mine was a walk on and received a PSP for going to the Fiesta Bowl. He successfully returned it for cash to Best Buy. That could not have been legal.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
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December 5th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Surely you must realize that the 60 draft spots every year (compared to NFL’s 224) means all of the NCAA basketball players care not about education!
December 5th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
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That’s his go to move whenever I disagree with him. Calls me a stupid-head.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
I wonder what’s happening over at Bleacher Report…
December 5th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
Those kids get every opportunity to get in their academic responsibilities. The bigger issue for them is the tradeoff of receiving the scholly and the weight of the major you choose. But even with that, the name recognition and connections you build by being on those teams give you some sort of advantage.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
That’s a fairly shitty reason to not come around.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
LOL
December 5th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
We need a Ballin’ post. I’m jonesing.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
You’re joking, right? Clemson alone will take 40-50K down there…biggest game they’ve played in the past 20 years.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
That Ole Miss team played in and won the Cotton Bowl, and finished the season ranked #14. There is no comparison between them and a 6-6 Iowa State, who is playing Rutgers in Yankee Stadium, and has zero chance of finishing the season ranked.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
KKKinect are big buys this holiday season.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Unless I’m reading this wrong, Mississippi wasn’t in the Top 25 of the final BCS poll, so they couldn’t have been much better than Iowa State’s #32.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
That Tech team was disappointed about their bowl selection.
/worked for Bama justifying a loss to Utah
December 5th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Will the orange bowl be half full this year?
You’re joking, right? Clemson alone will take 40-50K down there…biggest game they’ve played in the past 20 years.
I was asking a question that I didn’t know the answer to. WVU didn’t sell thousands of tickets for some of its home games this year, and in recent years the orange bowl has had a fair amount of empty seats, right? I guess I was unwilling to assume Clemson would have 60000 people there, but we’ll see.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Rusty…you linked the 2006 season. Florida lost to Ole Miss in 2008. The 2006 team lost to Auburn.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Fair enough. But those vermin travel, and they will do so en masse to Miami this year. Athletic department is guaranteeing a 35K buy alone. So I think 50K seems likely.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Got it. My bad.
Wait…
/digs heels in and defends self anyway
//internet commenter’d
December 5th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Windy city may be getting some gray haired dong texts.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
/worked for Bama justifying a loss to Utah
if it’s not the NC game or the SEC title game, it’s of little importance.
December 5th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
They probably do to bowl games though.
why? walk-ons are meat
December 5th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
/wonders why i bother reading the posts anymore
December 5th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
/rolls up magazine
//hits spencer on ass with it
///sticks his nose in post
////yells “NO!” sternly
December 5th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
/wonders why i bother reading the posts anymore
you read the posts? Gross.
December 5th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
On top of that they get a matchup with a Top 10 team, something they wouldnt have gotten in the Sugar Bowl. With the move to JerryWorld in primetime, the Cotton Bowl is gaining in prestige. They have the benefit of being able to select good SEC/Big XII teams instead of being stuck with an ACC/BigEast/Non-AQ like the BCS bowls.
December 5th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Compete against who, the SEC? I believe over the last 10 years the SEC has won 2-3 more of the matchups…hell, LSU’s 1-2 against B1G competition over the last few years so it seems odd to be using this talking point
December 6th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
it is amazing they are leaving billions on the table by not having a 16 team playoff. the tv contracts alone would be unreal. follow the $. all that cash could save all the other sports they’ve had to cut.