The Unnecessary Roughness Penalties For Hits on Hakeem Nicks and Jimmy Graham Were Correct
In last night’s 49-24 New Orleans’ rout of the New York Giants, there were two big head shots, one on Hakeem Nicks by Saints’ safety Isa Abdul Quddus and another on Jimmy Graham by Giants’ safety Kenny Phillips (video at the bottom). I am going to say something, that according to 95% of my twitter timeline, is going to be unpopular. They were both correctly penalized, and it’s not particularly a close question. I suspect both will be hearing from the commissioner’s office in the form of a fine because these are the exact hits that are deemed illegal.
Now, let’s set apart whether one agrees with the rules. I think it’s pretty sad that the Monday Night Crew, and particularly John Gruden, is not aware of them, and is incorrectly saying these are clean hits. They are not, per the rules.
Per the NFL Rule Book, there are several potentially applicable situations where these hits would be unnecessary roughness.
It is unnecessary roughness “if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into an opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body.” [12.2.8(j)].
It is also unnecessary roughness to hit a defenseless player with prohibited contact, which is either “forcibly hitting the defenseless players head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm or shoulder” [12.2.9(b)(1)] OR “lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body. [12.2.9(b)(2)] [emphasis mine]
There is also a separate rule, that has been on the books for a while, that prohibits a player from using his helmet to “butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily [12.2.8(g)]. That one does not require the player to be “defenseless”, such as being a receiver in the act of making a catch.
For our purposes, the two plays involved receivers. A receiver is considered defenseless if he is ”attempting to catch a pass, or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player.” [12.2.9(2)].
In the Quddus/Nicks case, even though Quddus is launching himself upward toward Nicks, it doesn’t appear as though his second foot has left the ground, so that he would fall under the illegal launch rule. However, Nicks is clearly a defenseless receiver. Quddus leads with the crown of his helmet. It doesn’t matter if the contact of the leading helmet was first to the shoulder glancing to the helmet, or simultaneous with both. It’s a penalty. That he disengages by throwing his shoulder and throwing off Nicks may have fooled people live, but he made contact with the crown of his helmet.
See what you hit. People seem to think that it must be helmet to helmet (it was in this case, by the way, making it more dangerous), but it must be either leading with the helmet, or a hit to the defenseless player’s helmet. Not both.
In the Graham case, the rule doesn’t make the player lose defenseless status immediately on the second foot coming down. On that play, the officials called the play incomplete, though it appears the third foot is starting to come down simultaneous with the hit. It would be a pretty tortured and liberal view to say Graham had clearly become a runner or had time to avoid or ward off the contact.
The illegal launch rule is very borderline. It appeared live he had already left his feet and launched up into Graham; slowing it down puts the helmet contact virtually simultaneous with the second foot leaving the ground. However, if Graham is defenseless, it is clearly a penalty, as it is both leading with the helmet, and helmet contact on Graham.
Further, because he launches up into Graham’s head, the regular ol’ unnecessary roughness (no defenseless receiver determination required) of ramming an opponent with the top of the helmet could apply, as it was a violent hit.
I was frankly stunned that people were touting these as clean hits. I think people have become so conditioned to complain every time a flag is thrown that it’s hit the absurd the other way: there hasn’t been a valid penalty yet for most people.
Lots of writers I follow instantaneously said they were bad calls. Seem pretty clear cut to me. These are also the type of hits that are exactly what can cause serious head injuries and neck trauma. They both involved players using the crown of their helmets and, whether the launching rule applied strictly, leaving their feet while using the helmet as a weapon. It doesn’t matter that they also connected with the shoulder while earholing someone.
See what you hit, don’t use the crown, and don’t launch into an opponent with the top of your head. Use the shoulder. Aim for the ball. I know that sometimes, it happens so fast, and they aren’t going to stop entirely. And sometimes the target moves even when the defender makes an earnest effort to make a clean hit while separating the ball. I’ve seen clean ones this year, and clean ones that weren’t penalized.
These weren’t them. These were penalties. Kenny Phillips’ fine may be a little steeper one for what looked like some calculated head hunting late in the game.
[photos via @cjzero]

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November 29th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
The personal foul against Will Smith was bullshit though.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Nothing makes my day more than a defender making a bit hit, celebrating like he won the SB, then turning around and seeing a flag on the ground.
DirecTV should have a channel of just that.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
“Pussies”
-Gruden
November 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
What the fuck were the Giants doing hovering over the body of Graham? A bunch of dicks.
Both hits looked illegal to me.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
New Jags owner was born in Pakistan? Well sure, he’ll fit right in in Jacksonville. I’m sure they’ll love him down there.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
don’t forget when they do it when they are down by 4 scores as well.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
“Took him out big time”
/Had NFL Blitz quotes in my head during those
//Reach is being released again but without late hits as per the NFL’s stance on fun
November 29th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
yep.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Who on earth thought the Phillips hit was clean? That was textbook helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver, and Graham is lucky his spine didn’t break in half.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
“Pussies”
-Gruden
not a chance gruden said that. not enough unwarranted praise.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
typical NY thugs.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
they were in line with the bs rules put forth by the league.
if i’m an owner, i encourage my def to play hard and i’ll pick up the tab on faggy fines from roger.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
On a somewhat related note – I guess I must first preface my statement by saying I love the sport, when the ball is actually snapped, people block and get blocked, receivers run routes, etc. – but I cannot stand the direction football is going in. It gets worse and worse every single year. The game is sllloooww now due to the fact that every single everything is reviewed, scrutinized, reviewed again, assessed, penalized, fined. Common sense says that if things aren’t getting better, whatever your methods are, they are not acting as an appropriate deterrent.
Realize I’m lumping the subject matter of Lisk’s post in with replay reviews, commercials, kickoffs, commercials, timeouts, etc.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Some NFL defense players on twitter. I believe Darius Butler (or whatever the name of the UCONN bust who was drafted by NE and now plays for CAR) was one of them. to lazy to link, but should be in his timeline.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
But it could have! BAN PHILLIPS FROM THE NFL.
/Atl_Engager’d
November 29th, 2011 at 11:15 AM
what happened to defenders buckling an airborne WR in two at the ribs?
November 29th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
The commercials are awful. I doubt that will be improved given how much the companies pay for rights to air these games.
The replays are excruciatingly slow, but the NCAA is much better so I have hope the NFL can improve their process.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Meatheads who are content with guys becoming crippled for their own entertainment needs
November 29th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
What the fuck were the Giants doing hovering over the body of Graham? A bunch of dicks.
I figured that once Phillips realized how hard he hit Graham and how awkwardly Graham landed that they became worried he was seriously injured and wanted to make sure he was okay. Every time I’ve ever seen something like that happen, though, a brawl basically breaks out since the team the injured player is on doesn’t seem to take too kindly to the hitter hanging around the corpse.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Shocking. Defensive players mad because they can’t turn wideouts into window dressing with their helmets.
As a Ravens fan, I’m as big a proponent of defense as you’ll find. I hate the rules the NFL has instituted to make the game more high scoring (illegal contact, absurd PI calls) and protect its stars (personal fouls for looking a Brady, Manning, Rogers, and Roethlisberger the wrong way), but defenders purposely trying to blow out a wideout with their helmet should be fined every single time.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
/Team guys becoming crippled for my own entertainment needs
November 29th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
On a somewhat related note – I guess I must first preface my statement by saying I love the sport, when the ball is actually snapped, people block and get blocked, receivers run routes, etc. – but I cannot stand the direction football is going in. It gets worse and worse every single year. The game is sllloooww now due to the fact that every single everything is reviewed, scrutinized, reviewed again, assessed, penalized, fined. Common sense says that if things aren’t getting better, whatever your methods are, they are not acting as an appropriate deterrent.
Ding ding ding. They should really just put a couple of flags on the quarterback and make it illegal to tackle/hit him. If your worried about player safety, that’s fine, but the amount of calls that are totally missed or called incorrectly outnumber those that are by a wide margin. That’s what I get upset about at least. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve seen helmet to helmet contact and its not called. Then when it there looks to be a clean hit, it’s 15 yards.
Also, the slowness of the game is also increased 10 fold when you take into account someone like me, who almost exclusively watches the redzone channel. Watching the Sunday/Monday night games is excruciating with the TD- -Review Commericial — Extra Point — Commercial — Kickoff — Commercial.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
I need that on a Homer Simpson pennant.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
All of this. I’d almost be willing to see advertisements on the field like the NHL has on the boards to avoid score, commercial, kickoff, commercial.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
If you look at the Phillips hit at the 1:40 mark, you’ll see that it was a shoulder to shoulder hit.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
Oh, you’ll eventually see that. But it won’t mean that TV commercial time is diminished.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
agreed…fuck the NFL’s kowtowing to corporate america making there be 2 hours of commercials to the one hour of actual football.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Agree. Why does the NFL ref have to personally view every replay? Just have a ref up in the booth look at it, and radio down yea or nay.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
lol
November 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
On a somewhat related note – I guess I must first preface my statement by saying I love the sport, when the ball is actually snapped, people block and get blocked, receivers run routes, etc. – but I cannot stand the direction football is going in. It gets worse and worse every single year. The game is sllloooww now due to the fact that every single everything is reviewed, scrutinized, reviewed again, assessed, penalized, fined. Common sense says that if things aren’t getting better, whatever your methods are, they are not acting as an appropriate deterrent.
All of this. I’d almost be willing to see advertisements on the field like the NHL has on the boards to avoid score, commercial, kickoff, commercial.
agree with everything.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
You and I both know exactly what would happen, we’d get both ads on the field and more commercials.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
I had to watch the Ravens-49ers game on a stream. Turns out the feed that worked the best was from SkySports, the large British entertainment network. While the American broadcast cut to commercials every 24 seconds, the Sky feed kicked it back to a studio crew, who talked about the game, broke down plays, and offered analysis. You know, stuff football fans actually care about. It was glorious, and it made me realize just how awful watching an NFL game is. We’re conditioned to be bombarded with advertising so much that its absence really stands out in a positive way.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
All hail the Red Zone Channel. No commercials! Though, it does suck when I head to the bar for the Niners games and have to sit through them.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Whether you watch RZC or not, it doesn’t help you on Sunday night or Monday night.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
the hit was made worse by Graham’s writhing and twisting body on the ground.
he’s a whiny little bitch though.
/tbl’d
November 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
The commercial-kickoff-commercial stretch is making it’s way into CFB as well…shit happens with rising popularity and more money being spent on TV rights
November 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Unfortunately, this is true.
That’s why DVR is the shit. I couldn’t tell you the last TV show I watched “live”. Hell, there’s times that I will record the first half of the Notre Dame game just to avoid all of the commercials.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
By the book, they were likely illegal. But remember, just because something is a rule doesn’t make it a good rule. Moreover, football happens in real time – in the case of the NFL, shit happens quickly. I’m not sure what else Quddus is supposed to do. His job is to separate the receiver from the ball. I’m OK with cracking down on violent hits, but when you’re going balls to the wall you don’t have time to consider all these rules. That’s why I don’t think Quddus should be fined. Just my take… And remember, this ain’t a tennis match, it’s fucking pro football.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
If you look at the Phillips hit at the 1:40 mark, you’ll see that it was a shoulder to shoulder hit.
lol
Look at it in slow motion.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Yup. It’s a business. It fucking sucks as a consumer, but the irony is that the consumer’s presence is why the commercials exist. The worst is the PAT, commercial, Kick off, commercial, one play that leads to review, commercial, two more plays and a TO, commercial. That shit happens a lot more than you would think.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Every time I’ve ever seen something like that happen, though, a brawl basically breaks out since the team the injured player is on doesn’t seem to take too kindly to the hitter hanging around the corpse.
Exactly.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
True.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Try socializing with your fellow fan. Perhaps focus on your drinking during the latest Bud Light commercial. You can always stare at the 19 year old waitress for an uncomfortable amount of time as well.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
I thought the Giants player seemed concerned after he saw the guy was down. It and again this is just to me seemed like less of a “dirty” play than the Saints one.
Both penalties show that the NFL has come to the realization that NOBODY CAN FUCKING TACKLE ANYMORE.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
The commercial-kickoff-commercial stretch is making it’s way into CFB as well…shit happens with rising popularity and more money being spent on TV rights
thats why i record the game, pause it for 30 min to play some video games, then start the game to fast forward through all the commercials and BS.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Hey, like the crab fisherman on the Discovery channel those guys know the risks. Now get crippled for my entertainment and drown in the Bering Sea for my Vegas buffet.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
To add to my point, and I’ve made this point before on here, but I’m ready for an advertising revolution in football. There are natural stoppages of play already built into the game – quarters, halves, two minute warning. There are also some not-so-natural stoppages that occur in every single game – injury timeouts, actual timeouts.
I think that, similar to soccer, Bud Light, et al should sponsor entire quarters of football. 1st and 10 marker brought to you by Bud Light. Bud Light Red Zone stats. Bud Light symbol above the score. All well and good. For that privilege, there will be no commercial timeouts during change of possessions…not after kickoffs, not after punts…none. It will improve energy and momentum in the game and I can imagine they work out a system where loss in revenue would be nominal at worst.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
There were a ton of commercials during the Packer game on Thanksgiving I noticed…thankfully there was a Swamp People marathon on the History Channel, problem solved
November 29th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Do you fast forward through the inevitable 4 turnovers, too?
/rimshot
November 29th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
I’ve watched more than half of the Pats games this year on DVR. Start about an hour and a half into the game, and I’m usually caught up in the beginning of the 4th quarter.
Plus, it lets me get some errands done around the house. Big win-win.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Let’s DB’s play. Fuck this shit. When Brees breaks Marino’s record there should be a big * right next to it.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
The NFL and its corporate sponsors love the TD-review-commercial-extra point-commercial-kickoff-commercial trifecta that happens way too often now.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
next time you watch the game, look for the guy with giant bright orange oven mitts on the sideline.
his sole purpose is to signal to the refs it’s time for a commercial break so they can adjust the gameplay to fit in the breaks.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Do you fast forward through the inevitable 4 turnovers, too?
/rimshot
//Moderation’d
///for the 17th time in two days
November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
SkySports, the large British entertainment network. While the American broadcast cut to commercials every 24 seconds, the Sky feed kicked it back to a studio crew, who talked about the game, broke down plays, and offered analysis.
I did the same and often search for a SKY stream. They also advertised the San Diego vs Jacsonville game as two teams with very disappointing seasons which was refreshing instead of “Phillip Rivers vs MJD this is super important game!”
November 29th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Oh…my brother and I are well aware of the evil orange hands man. We hate him. He stands in the corner of the field where he and I have ATL tickets.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
There were a ton of commercials during the Packer game on Thanksgiving I noticed
Did you also notice that the lame Ford F-150 commercial narrated by Dennis Leary was played first during almost every single break? Gahh.. with nothing else to flip to that was infuriating. Not only are there tons of commercials, but they’re the same ones!
November 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I usually just rant on Twitter, but I like your ideas too.
I wish I had a comeback for this, but Turnover Tommy Rees won’t allow it.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I can’t say I disagree with anything you said, but even a nominal loss is unacceptable to the NFL and TV networks.
Hell, a non-increasing rate in advertising is probably unacceptable.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I don’t think there’s a football fan in this country who wouldn’t support a soccer-style sponsorship system if it meant cutting down on endless beer, cell phone, jewelry (these are multiplying at an exponential rate. Fuck you, I’m not going to Jared) and car commercials.
/MI:4 looks sick, though
November 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
The fact that the NFL hasn’t picked up on the genius of soccer marketing is laughable. They put CGI ad boards all around the field and make them look like real ones. Kind of like the blue screen on the backstop at some baseball stadiums, but they’re 3D. No idea why they haven’t gotten on this, unless there’s some kind of rule preventing it they’re losing out on cash.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Probably. But advertising is as much of pasting your brand in people’s brains as it is keeping other companies’ brands from pasting their brand in your brain. I think advertisers would pay a premium to sponsor a quarter, a 1/2, hell an entire game, just so people don’t have the opportunity to see that Coors Light train.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Whoever created the Lexus commercial where the guy puts a bow on a new ride for his wife can DIAF.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
On a somewhat related note – I guess I must first preface my statement by saying I love the sport, when the ball is actually snapped, people block and get blocked, receivers run routes, etc. – but I cannot stand the direction football is going in. It gets worse and worse every single year. The game is sllloooww now due to the fact that every single everything is reviewed, scrutinized, reviewed again, assessed, penalized, fined. Common sense says that if things aren’t getting better, whatever your methods are, they are not acting as an appropriate deterrent.
and yet, people are still advocating replay/challenges/etc in baseball!
/shoots self
November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I’m obviously more a CFB guy anyway, but I love Saturday’s so much more than Sunday’s for football because there are games on TV from 12-12 on several different channels. I like the options more than being stuck with some shitty 4:15 game every week.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
not about ND but i watched the browns/rams game on DVR in 23 minutes. a browns 3-and-out, punt and the 4 minutes of commercials is pretty easy to time up…browns take the offense, hit FF once just to see if they get anything on 1st down…if they do, watch. if they don’t, hit FF three more times. repeat.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I can’t believe a Detroit automaker would want to buy up ad space for that game. CRAZY! Right.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Yeah, the best part is that during an ET night game it’s like 2 am across the pond. The studio crew consisted of some host who looked asleep, a giant man with dreads and half an eye spouting all sorts of nonsense, and your typical buttoned up white-guy Simon Pegg lookalike who really knew his shit and offered intelligent commentary.
It was like football directed by Guy Ritchie. I loved it.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
I can’t believe a Detroit automaker would want to buy up ad space for that game. CRAZY! Right.
WTF? Really, you’re taking issue with my annoyance at that?
November 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Why can’t the league embed sensors in the skill position players’ helmets to detect hits?
November 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
yeah, i can’t wait until the first NFL expansion team is the the Los Angeles Wal-Mart Everday Low Prices!
November 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
I’ve begun DVRing games and it’s pathetic how fast you can watch one if you only watch the plays. I can’t imagine not having a DVR. They’re amazing.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
This. It takes some sac to run those ads in this economy.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Why can’t the league embed sensors in the skill position players’ helmets to detect hits?
I think I saw somewhere where they’re starting to do this… that might have been the NCAA though, not sure.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
No kidding. It’s such a slippery slope. It begins with home runs, moves to fair/foul, then to strike/ball, then to out/safe…I like baseball, sports in general, but especially baseball because at every single turn there is fallibility. It is important, human, and dramatic.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
don’t get me started on that again…
November 29th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
I hate those commercials with a passion, yet I don’t know why. I mean, who wouldn’t want a Lexus for Christmas? For some reason they just seem super douchey.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
There’s a company that has a product that it claims (when installed in a helmet) detects whether or not a hit on the player would cause a concussion.
Plenty of skepticism from the medical/scientific commununity about it.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
IDK. I watch games 30 minutes behind so I never have to experience commercials. I guess I just want to burn this whole topic of discussing commercials to the ground. Starting with you. No offense.
But seriously how bout that etrade baby! Its gold Jerry.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
I’ve begun DVRing games and it’s pathetic how fast you can watch one if you only watch the plays. I can’t imagine not having a DVR. They’re amazing.
I have started the game, paused it, played a few matches of MW3 and then go back and start watching the game. Once I am caught up, if it isn’t very exciting or if it is going bad for my team (it has been a lot) I repeat this over again.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
it’s the fact that people either have an extra $500 a month to pay for a lease, or they have so much cash on hand and no other gift to give than a brand new fucking car.
take that $50K and buy thousands of mosquito nets for kids in africa.
god damn fucking rich people and their 1% problems…
November 29th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
No joke, make every game pay-per-view then and watch people bitch about that instead
November 29th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Dude. Come on.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Give the money to me! I’ll make sure the children get it!
/WYCLEF
November 29th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
For me, its a combination of the fact that Lexus buyers actually will purchase $50,000 cars as an Xmas present for their loved ones, and B, that a bunch of dickholes at an ad agency believe they can influence others to do the same through this commercial.
I am the 99 percent who won’t get a car for christmas.
/shits in park
November 29th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Dude. Come on.
To be fair, $500 is a lot of money to spend per month on a fancy toyota.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
If we’re only allowing commercials for things poor people buy it will be all Wal-Mart bouncing head and Keith Stone ads…appreciate the variety
November 29th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
I’d love a game to be broadcast on HBO and let the commentators speak their mind. Hell, my brother had a great idea. Mic every player and play only what they hear and say (need to be on HBO or ppv, of course). I would love to hear the shit that is said and the on-filed communication unedited.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
All I’m saying is, if I’m rich, there’s no fucking way I’m buying a gussied up Toyota. Get out of here with that bullshit.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
I laughed
November 29th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
They can also show commercials at the same time as the game is going on.
/NASCAR’d
//IRL’d (I Think)
November 29th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
Too high a risk of sideline reporter Larry Merchant wanting to fight Stevie Johnson after a game
November 29th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
ESPN pundits would applaud this while denigrating anything that is said on an NHL rink.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
I just dun got moderated.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
just silence the game and have the commercial be on..you’d have more people see your product instead of getting up to piss or whatever
November 29th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Colangelo did that with the Suns in the early 90′s and he still sold ad space.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
That’s because he had all the leverage, Thunder Dan Majerle = $$$
November 29th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Wal-Mart bouncing head and Keith Stone ads…appreciate the variety
I keep planning on going to Godaddy.com to watch those commercials but instead I keep watching attractive girls have sex.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Colangelo did that with the Suns in the early 90′s and he still sold ad space.
thats why he’s a HOF’er.
November 29th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
Thunder Dan was money. Until Danny Ainge showed up and taught him that if you shoot the ball behind this line that it is worth 3 points.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
I don’t mind the commercials. I just hit mute and all the problems go away.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
i hate the holiday commercials…why does sears push “holiday savings” on washers and dryers? who the FUCK would buy a washer and dryer for someone as a gift? “WHAT’S THIS? THIS BOX IS HUGE!!! oh…yay, a washer and dryer. thanks honey.”
fuck that.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
i hate the holiday commercials…why does sears push “holiday savings” on washers and dryers? who the FUCK would buy a washer and dryer for someone as a gift? “WHAT’S THIS? THIS BOX IS HUGE!!! oh…yay, a washer and dryer. thanks honey.”
I buy my significant other mops and cleaning supplies for her birthday.
Get to work, sugar tits.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
At some point db’s are just going to go for the knees of wr’s, ending more seasons than the helmet hits.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
I voiced my thoughts on this on twitter last night. But fuck that shit. At least it should be a Benz, BMW or Audi.
/drives luxury Honda