Jim Boeheim Should Be Suspended, But Not Fired, At This Point
With Syracuse taking the step to formally terminate Bernie Fine on Sunday, after having previously placed him on administrative leave when the allegations first broke ten days earlier, the heat has now shifted to Jim Boeheim. In the hours immediately after the allegations went public, Jim Boeheim came out with some very pointed comments. Then he kept talking. He basically accused the accusers of going for a cash grab. He called them liars. He questioned why it took so long, and why a prior investigation found nothing.
Gregg Doyel thinks that Jim Boeheim should be fired because of his comments. Seth Davis of Sports Illustrated thinks that the Bernie Fine firing was appropriate, but does not think anything is merited at this point in regard to Boeheim, pending further information.
I actually agree with many of Doyel’s points, though I do not ultimately side with the position that firing must occur. I think there are other points of punishment, such as public censure and suspension, that are merited here. This is not Penn State at this point. There is no evidence Boeheim knew or reasonably should have known. To date, we don’t have evidence of a program run amok with individuals failing to stop a molester that they had information that would lead a reasonable person considerable pause.
First, on Davis’ points, he justifies, or at least forgives the point that Boeheim came out so strongly and has since backtracked based on the new information, as it was what many would do, and it was typical to be so deceived.
But we need to keep in mind that one of the great tragedies of child molestation is the fact that these predators are so often able to fool those who are closest to them, most notably the victims and their families. Your typical child predator is not some stranger in a trench coat who hangs around the playground. He’s someone you know and trust and admire.
All true. And herein is the problem. It was a perfectly human response. Hours before this scandal broke, I wrote about sexual abuse in regard to Penn State. I talked about my own experiences, and how, almost universally, when someone is confronted with knowing the victim and accused, they side with the accused. I said:
That response, that dreadful response and fear of reprisal from others for hurting someone who actually isn’t the true victim, needs to end. It’s too typical, though. I have no doubt that there are victims out there from long ago, afraid to come forward. Part embarrassment, part fear of the response that people have to protect the things they love, no matter how misguided.
It was gripping to me to see Boeheim, a man so successful, so powerful, succumb to the same instincts as people in far less prominent positions in similar situations. Most child abuse situations are not like Penn State–there is not an eyewitness to the crime other than the victim. Most are more like here, an accuser, often not right away, says something.
While Boeheim’s response may have been more typical than we like to think, his station is not. Which is where I agree with what Doyel says here:
. . . Boeheim is the most powerful, most popular man in Syracuse. And for that guy, in that town, to ridicule Fine’s accusers as liars and opportunists — as deceitful frauds looking to make a quick buck — Boeheim laid down a very public gauntlet to anyone else who might have been interested in telling the police they were molested by Fine:
Come after Fine, and you’re crossing me.
Boeheim sure may not have intended that, but that is absolutely the effect. It has a chilling effect. It affirms the worst fears of those who struggle to come forward, worried that it was something about them, or that they will be attacked, and no one will believe. His response was perfectly human. As a friend of Bernie Fine, it was to be expected.
He’s not just a friend, though. He also represents an institution. He’s free to say those things. As a leader with responsibility as more than of friend of Bernie Fine, though, he should not.
That said, I think a suspension is appropriate here, not a firing. I know the investigation is ongoing. I think it’s appropriate precisely because Syracuse determined they had seen enough to fire Bernie Fine. If they have seen enough to do that, then they have seen enough to publicly censure and suspend Boeheim, as a representative of the University, for his comments that impacted the investigation.
This is not Penn State. At this point, at least, it is not Penn State. There needs to be some gradation to punishment. Coming out in the heat of the moment in over the top support of a person you trust is not the same as turning a willful blind eye.
As a practical matter, also, a suspension may ultimately save Boeheim from a worse fate. The calls will get louder. If Boeheim is suspended now, and the investigation runs its course, it is more palatable to reinstate him later if nothing further (as it relates to Boeheim’s role) comes out. Then, he will have been suspended for his comments as a public figure with a leadership role, and, I sincerely hope, exonerated from any other issues.
I also think this. Most people are good and decent people. We are not all educated in the intracacies of every subject, even if we are generally well educated. Just because Boeheim is a great basketball coach doesn’t mean he has ever had to truly ponder child abuse and its various layers, before it smacked him in the face two weeks ago. The most powerful advocates can often be those who most ardently criticized, then saw the error of their ways. Paul had his road to Damascus. I think Boeheim, with a non-trivial suspension for the effect of his ill-conceived words, can have his. Victims don’t come forward because of fear, these things don’t get reported in consistent patterns and immediately. What he did can have an effect.
And he can speak new words that empower victims. Those can be more powerful and helpful to addressing the problem of sexual abuse, fear, and taboo, then just getting our next pound of flesh and pretending this is a Penn State problem, or in this case, a Boeheim problem.
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November 29th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
ESPN : Worldwide Leader in Endangering Children.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Just like your PSU post, I agree with this. I don’t completely agree with suspending Jim Boeheim, but I definitely see clearer why it makes sense to do so now.
If they fire Boeheim, then those people that crucified Joe Paterno as if he had molested those kids have seen their carnival barking ways lead to a negative and undeserved consequence for Jim Boeheim.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
Ohh the typical SbB hyperbole. Jarring.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
tl; dr
/asshole
November 29th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Is Jimmy spry?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Fuck it fire everyone….boeheim, everyone..
November 29th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Damn it seems like every few months now someone from those Comedy Central Roasts is dying. Who’s next? (Please say Lisa Lampanelli Please say Lisa Lampanelli)
November 29th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Good work, Lisk.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Nice, Lisk.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
Hey, did you know she has sex with black guys? In case you missed it after her 1 billionth joke about it.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
(Please say Lisa Lampanelli Please say Lisa Lampanelli)
Why do want to make Young McIntyre cry?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
good piece, but i think you’re neglecting two important considerations:
1) Boeheim lives in a world of fierce competition. Attack me or one of mine and my first reaction is to defend it. (not that it’s right)
2) as is the case with rape accusations, when a claim like this is falsely made, the damage is irreversible to the person being accused – just like it is to the victim if the claim is true.
I just think that both of those play into Boeheim’s response, right or wrong.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Lisk. For how long should he be suspended?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Suspend him for now for the comments. Nothing more/worse comes out, reinstate him. More and worse come out, fire him.
Boeheim put himself in this position by talking.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
Nice gonads, Lisk.
/just trying to change it up
November 29th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
Look no further than Michael Jackson…those god damned money grubbing kids tarnished his legacy.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Gregg doyel should be fired for sucking
November 29th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Yeah like ill said…if Boeheim and this guy were besties then Boeheim’s comment was understandable..I’d have a difficult time believing my best is capable of such a thing.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Lisk posts don’t always open themselves up for comments since there’s not much more to add…good job here
Whitney Cummings, nothing personal against her but it seems to be the only way her show will finally be killed once and for all
November 29th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
We don’t know enough yet to know if Boeheim should be fired.
But, hey, I love a good media roasting as much as the next guy.
/no I don’t.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
This whole case is a clusterfuck. I believe that boeheim knew nothing more than the investigations that had already taken place in the past. Bernie fine, his wife, and all three alleged victims have questionable credibility. Its just a sad fucking mess
November 29th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Can’t believe Community went on hiatus and this piece of shit is still around.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
ESPN should be fired.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
Gregg Doyel is like Jeff Pearlman light.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
RIP Patrice Oneal.
I love whitney cummings but her show is just awful.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
This, denial would probably be my immediate reaction as well. But, yet I’m not the face of a successful national championship contending basketball program, either. Apple, oranges blah, blah.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Are we talking about ‘whitney’ or ‘two broke girls’?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
Are we talking about ‘whitney’ or ‘two broke girls’?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
RIP Patrice Oneal.
Dude crushed it (pardon the pun) on the VH1 “I Love The…” series. He was funny.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
November 29th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Whitney. I havent watched two broke girls.
So reading the story on espn, Laurie Fine allegedly starting sexting with Bobby Davis when he was a junior in high school… WTF?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
I can’t support her show, but she was really funny when she did a guest spot on David’s Old Pron.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
it’s unfortunate for real victims that we live in a world where false accusations are frequent enough that Boeheim’s comments aren’t that off base.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
I’ve seen her standup and think Whitney is about as funny as child molestation
/Back on topic
November 29th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
was text messaging even available that long ago?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
David’s Old Pron.
One of my favorite new shows on television. It will only last probably 1 season, but it’s fantastic. When Ron Jeremy was sitting next to Whitney, it was very funny.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Ill, i agree. i know a guy who did 6 years in prison for allegedly doing something with an underage girl despite no solid evidence and the girl later recanted. The D.A. Was out for blood
November 29th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Patrice dies yet Dane Cook walks. Fucking damn it.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
PLSK, i edit myself: sexing, not sexting….derp…. Still she allegedly was sleeping with a minor…shes just as culpable if bobby davis is telling the truth
November 29th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Sounds like they failed.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
great show, glad I’m not the only one aware of its existence.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
So reading the story on espn, Laurie Fine allegedly starting sexting with Bobby Davis when he was a junior in high school… WTF?
was text messaging even available that long ago? PL K
Something ain’t meshing here with the timeline, because I’m inclined to say no.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Nice post Lisk. I agree a small suspension is warranted, simply because of his public stature and position. I can understand why he said what he did, but there are other, politically correct, ways to state those points.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
JHS, ive heard of it via Attell being interviewed on podcasts but ive never seen it
November 29th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
PLSK, i edit myself: sexing, not sexting….derp…. Still she allegedly was sleeping with a minor…shes just as culpable if bobby davis is telling the truth Trade
Thank you. I was about get Googly with it and see when texting was first available. Now I don’t care.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Not Patrice!
November 29th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
I can’t remember texting before I went to college, so 2003 is probably the earliest I texted. Weird to think about a world where texting isn’t prevalent.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Kc res, i misread a tweet about it with link as sexting not sexing…my bad
November 29th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Sounds like they failed.
+1
November 29th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Isn’t=wasn’t. **
November 29th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
great show, glad I’m not the only one aware of its existence.
It’s the perfect storm of a funny TV show. Attell is fantastic, the guests are usually great (especially the retired ‘actresses’), I watched the Carolla one last night and loved it — Though I am a Carolla homer.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
I’m wondering what the Duckies want for Bobby Ryan now. Not for personal interests, just curious what they’re out there looking for.
/back off topic
November 29th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Same here. I was on my porch second year of college and words started to come across on my phone from some chick. I had no idea what was going on.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
When I was in Italy in 2002, texting was ‘uuuge. I was aware of it before then, but nobody I knew was doing it.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
good piece, but i think you’re neglecting two important considerations:
1) Boeheim lives in a world of fierce competition. Attack me or one of mine and my first reaction is to defend it. (not that it’s right)
2) as is the case with rape accusations, when a claim like this is falsely made, the damage is irreversible to the person being accused – just like it is to the victim if the claim is true.
I just think that both of those play into Boeheim’s response, right or wrong.
I don’t think I neglected the first. In regard to the second, yes, but that’s why more measured statements were appropriate, supporting Fine by saying you believed in him unless there was evidence to the contrary would be sufficient.
illformula–do you believe there are more false accusations of sexual abuse, or correct allegations where the victim is demonized?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Boeheim was speaking on what he knew at the time and so I still don’t have much of a problem with what he said. Honestly, when I first heard about this story, I thought the exact same things he was saying. We still don’t even know if this shit is true or not, so saying he should be suspended or fired is just as bad.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
LOL. I believe I had my phone taken away for a month when I learned what texting was. My momma had to pay a high phone bill that month..
November 29th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Same here. I was on my porch second year of college and words started to come across on my phone from some chick. I had no idea what was going on.
you had arkbadgers’s phone
November 29th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Same here. I was on my porch second year of college and words started to come across on my phone from some chick. I had no idea what was going on.
Texting really changed how you interacted with women you just met while out. I don’t know about you, but I doubt I’d actually call a girl right away… Shooting them a text to test the water was so much easier.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
I hope you replied with “pics or gtfo.”
November 29th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
I hear ya CJ. I started to use it regularly when someone explained to me what text messaging was, needless to say, the old man was pissed. I paid the bill.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
I think I was aware of it for awhile before I actually started using it. Wonder what my first text was.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
So you going to at least review my trade, CJ?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
You wanna talk about a technology that was “uuuuuge” than faded into bolivian? AIM. I wasn’t even in college that long ago (2003-2007) and during that time AIM was it. Away messages were crucial, as was talking with the ladies. Though, my screen name was embarrassing. Topdawg030 — I had it since line 7th grade and never changed it and my college friends laughed everytime I’d tell someone it so I just kept it. AIM was so big, no no one uses it. Facebook chat\status, Twitter took its place — but it was a glorious ride.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Texting changed how I interact with people because I hate talking to people.
/only partially kidding
November 29th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Top prospect, young top 6 forward, multiple 1st round picks.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
I havent clicked on that league in at least a month, SC. You’ll have to give me a heads up here or Twitter whenever you offer me anything. Let me go check it out now.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
And why the fuck is Jennifer Anniston say goddamn hot in every movie she’s on?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
we’re brothers from another mother, ms.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Talking on the phone sucks. When someone sends me a text “call me”, i get freaked out. Never good news.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
They need bottom 6 depth and a stay at home defenseman badly, Vlad. I’m not sure I can name a bottom 6 player in Anaheim. With Visnovsky out for a bit, the need for defense is only more apparent.
They have to move him to the East. I severely doubt he’s traded within the conference.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
She’s hot to make up for her lack of talent
November 29th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
And why the fuck is Jennifer Anniston say goddamn hot in every movie she’s on?
are those the movies from the 1990s or the ones now where her haggard old face is in a bag?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
And why the fuck is Jennifer Anniston say goddamn hot in every movie she’s on?
CGI?
Courtney Cox vs. Jennifer Anniston was the Mary Ann vs. Ginger of our time.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
we’re brothers from another mother, ms.
/does secret handshake with miz
November 29th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
The only thing Jennifer Anniston has going for her is her age.
She looks great for her age, but she’s far down the list of hot celebrities.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
So? They can wait till free agency to get that. Bobby Ryan will cost a team way more than Jeff Carter.
Rangers
November 29th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Oh my God… THIS IS GENIUS!
November 29th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
I don’t think I neglected the first. In regard to the second, yes, but that’s why more measured statements were appropriate, supporting Fine by saying you believed in him unless there was evidence to the contrary would be sufficient.
illformula–do you believe there are more false accusations of sexual abuse, or correct allegations where the victim is demonized?
but i think what someone who doesn’t share the the relationship with Fine that Boeheim did thinks is an appropriate response and what someone in Boeheim’s position does is completely different. (sorry if that’s confusing some annoying women came to my desk mid thought)
And no, i don’t think that there are more false accusations than real. though, i would bet that ratio continues to get closer every year. (not that it’s that close now)
November 29th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
You’re not serious, bro?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
damn straight, except those weren’t texts.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
When someone sends me a text “call me”, i get freaked out. Never good news.
this is so true it’s funny.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Oh my God… THIS IS GENIUS!
battleship?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
She was smoking in Just Go With It, especially in the bikini scene
November 29th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
battleSHOT
November 29th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Here’s my issue with this comment – Boeheim had this guy as his assistant for 20+ years. Why does everyone think he had no way of knowing what Bernie was doing but assumes Paterno knew back in 1998 that Sandusky was molesting kids just because the guy was his coordinator for 20+ years?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Also sexy in Horrible Bosses. She can still get it.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
i don’t want to take anything away from a legit victim or deter them from coming forward, but false accusations of such nature should receive equal punishment associated with the crime being falsely accused.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
You’re not serious, bro?
as a heart attack. in the 90s she was one of the best. now she has a great body and the face is old and smoker-y.
and that body is a little too in-shape for me, especially at her age. don;t mind me, just a quirk, but i am not in favor of hot-body older women. when the face and the body don;t match up age-wise, it’s freaky not attractive
November 29th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
I think everyone is upset with JoePa from 2002 forward, not the 1998 incident.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
And Horrible Bosses and this abortion of a film called “The Bounty Hunter” that’s on right now. Fuck all of you haters, Anniston is smoking. Plus, i got a thing for older women.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
This I wholeheartedly agree with. Once someone is accused of something, that perception is almost impossible to shake if it turns out it was a false accusation and rarely does anything happen to the false accuser.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Fuck all of you haters, Anniston is smoking
she looks good for her age, but there are probably 100 hollywood starlets who are 15 years younger and better looking.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
I do love how now all of a sudden these sickos are sneaky and hard to identify and even harder to prosecute. Last week I was told the entire PSU coaching staff knew, the entire town knew, hell anyone who went to PSU knew.
Did Duffy and TBL misplace their high horse, because neither of them have written one damn word about this.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
/high fives PLSK
November 29th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Why does everyone think he had no way of knowing what Bernie was doing but assumes Paterno knew back in 1998 that Sandusky was molesting kids just because the guy was his coordinator for 20+ years?
everyone minus me. i think it’s the least credible thing, that you culd work so closely with someone for most of a year, and not just eight hour days but days at a time on road trips and late nights. maybe you could ignore things by denial, idk
November 29th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
That’s the thing, nobody ever compared her to anyone else or tried to put some arbitrary number on her. The statement was Aniston is hot and the answer is yes. Fin.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
The statement was Aniston is hot
I’d argue that she WAS hot, now she just looks good for her age.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Well said. This is what I meant in #76.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Did Duffy and TBL misplace their high horse, because neither of them have written one damn word about this.
1. probably burnt on the subject
2. this is not journalism, so they don’t have to be balanced
3. tebow
November 29th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
I’d argue that she WAS hot, now she just looks good for her age.
are you serious?
/you should have seen her as a toddler….
November 29th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Yes, because he only reported it like he was supposed to and didnt go Judge Dredd and try and execute someone over an uncorroborated third party claim. The extent to if and how much he followed up still isn’t known, but that didnt stop the lynch mob.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
Many people made comments about how Paterno HAD TO KNOW what Sandusky was doing back when that first police report came out in 1998 and even speculated that Sandusky was forced to retire to sweep the scandal under the rug.
Paterno, when told by a witness of the abuse, contacted the guy in charge of the campus police department but used poor judgment by not calling the police directly. Boeheim, when told of the abuse, accused the victim of being a liar and gold digger and a piece of crap.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Yes, because he only reported it like he was supposed to and didnt go Judge Dredd and try and execute someone over an uncorroborated third party claim. The extent to if and how much he followed up still isn’t known, but that didnt stop the lynch mob.
boo-fucking-hoo
November 29th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Ya…he’s just a small pawn.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Oh yeah.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
I’d argue that she WAS hot, now she just looks good for her age.
are you serious?
Well yes. I suppose if the female population only consisted of 45 year old women, she’d be hot. But there’s plenty of 25 year old’s out there that blow her out of the water.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
TBL wants you to believe JoePa killed a district attorney, and that PSU is auctioning off boys at midfield during football games.
But in this case he wants to wait for facts to write anything.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Or how about when you send someone a text and they call you? WTF! I sent you a text for a reason. Respond with a text.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
i think they had to be put down for overuse.