Gregg Doyel Thinks That Tim Tebow is a Legitimate MVP Candidate
Gregg Doyel, who you might recall called out LeBron James in the post-game press conference after Game 3 of the NBA Finals, has now found his anti-Lebron in Timothy Tebow. On Friday, in the immediate afterglow of the thrilling Thursday night contest, Doyel tweeted out that “You play. To win. The game. And if this keeps up . . . MVP candidate.”
He measured his responses, saw the page view potential, then opted to go full on trolling by writing a full length column today. As a result, I measured my response, saw the page view potential, and have jumped in, hook, line, and sinker, both as the bait and the next guy with a trolling motor.
They’re winning because of Tebow. Or rather, Tebow is winning these games.
He doesn’t win them for 60 minutes, no. That’s what Aaron Rodgers has been doing at Green Bay, and that’s why, again, Rodgers can, should and will win MVP if he keeps it up. Anyway, that’s not what Tebow is doing. He’s not playing great for 60 minutes, mauling opponents from the first drive. He’s not. If anything, he has been borderline bad for the first 45-plus minutes of most games.
But then comes the final quarter, and Tebow becomes special. The defense gives the Broncos a chance to win, and Tebow takes over. He capitalizes on that chance. The game gets tight, the clock starts ticking down, and Tebow goes from awful to awesome. He’s Semaj NorBel — the opposite of LeBron James.
Tebow is the personification of the QB-first, QB-blame, QB-credit society, taken to it’s fullest measure. You could see it last night in the aftermath of the Eagles win against the Giants. Vince Young, who paved the way for Tebow, was not very good most of the night. His red zone interception was costly. He doesn’t throw that, he may not need a game winning drive. He threw three picks and missed on some plays badly. He ran to the wrong holes. The Eagles defense, though, decided to play their best game of the year. Some will now suggest they should start Young instead of Vick.
I’m going to go through some numbers, but hopefully only to the extent they reflect reality of what happens in games. Here’s what I don’t get. People will rail on the “stat guys”. Did people now championing Tebow as a MVP candidate or Young as the key actually watch these games? Or do we just re-write the story in post-production?
Tebow has been pretty bad through most of the games he has played in. His teams have gotten some good fortune (the onside kick against Miami, the fumble against Miami) and the defense and special teams have made plays (punt return TD against Oakland, interception return against Jets). He has made plays at the end of two games (Doyel tries to make it sound like he won all four with his late play), when he had been a negative performer who contributed to trailing in the first place.
Checking Advanced NFL Stats’ play by play results, they confirm this. We have two different measures, expected points added (EPA) and win probability added (WPA). EPA just measures every play equally and answers how much each play by that player (sack, pass, run, etc) adds to the expected points for that team, either positively or negatively. WPA weights higher leverage situations, so making plays late in close games will boost it, while plays when the outcome is decided have little weight. A player with a high WPA and lower EPA tends toward our “clutch” spectrum by playing better when plays have higher value.
Tebow is 34th out of 39 passers in EPA per game. Because he has played better in late/close situations, his WPA per game is improved. It’s 26th out of 39. That’s still below average, because Tebow’s play for much of the game is negatively affecting his team’s chances of winning. To compare, Tebow’s EPA is in line with Gabbert, Painter, and Skelton. His WPA is again similar to Skelton (who won two games late despite early poor play, but gets no love from Doyel), but far superior to Gabbert and Painter.
Denver is winning primarily because of defense holding opponents down within range, so that Tebow even has a chance to have a good drive after dreadful play for much of a game. If we are dividing up responsibility for the 4 wins in 5 games, the defense has an awful lot to do with it. Weird how that works, when you win 3 games despite not getting to 20 points on offense.
That Doyel thinks Aaron Rodgers is the leader, but there is still some question if “Rodgers” goes 2-4 down the stretch (regardless of how Rodgers plays) is asinine. The only way Rodgers isn’t going to win the award is if, well, he plays like Tebow the rest of the way. Guys named Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning and Tony Romo have something to say about Tebow as a candidate also.
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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 AM
Wobet Mit is the greatest player ever.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:10 AM
I like Doyel, as he did some great stuff in Happy Valley a couple weeks ago, but this…yikes.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 AM
For what, the American League?
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 AM
noob saibot > Semaj Norbel > Leyod Ggreg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregg Doyel
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 AM
Yet…
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:14 AM
The entire CBSSports.com team blows goats. Except Gary Parrish.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Wow.
Alucard > Noob Saibot, though.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Tim,
You raise me up
/Rich Rod
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Doyel is nothing, if not consistent, with his assholery. You have to give him credit for that.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 AM
And I thought I was feeling nerdy this morning…
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Skip Bayless says the Eagles would be 7-3 if Young had started all year…also questions Rodgers’ ability to be clutch since the team has the audacity to play good football for the first three quarters, that’s good old-fashioned trollin’
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Al Davis would like Tebow’s “Just win, baby” attitude but would falter at Tebow’s inability to throw a forward pass more than 25 yards. He needs to be able to throw the ball 60 yards from his knees.
/JaMarcus Russell’d
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 AM
I dont understand people who keep saying, “well if they are down 3 scores Tebow can’t win those games.” Well no shit, there’s about 5 QB’s who can win when down that much, and its possible to win a SB without needing a 21 point comeback.
I’ve never really had much of an opinion on the guy, but he had some pretty solid pieces.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 AM
He measured his responses, saw the page view potential, then opted to go full on trolling by writing a full length column today. As a result, I measured my response, saw the page view potential, and have jumped in, hook, line, and sinker, both as the bait and the next guy with a trolling motor. Lisk
Fucking applause, Man. Lisk wins.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Nobody is a legit MVP candidate, unless Rodgers gets injured.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 AM
But Fox might be in the discussion for coach of the year
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 AM
I’ve never really had much of an opinion on the guy, but he had some pretty solid pieces. Coop
He cut his teeth on college hoops and was pretty good. Then he turned into Pageview Guy. One of TBL’s earliest media interviews was with him. The guy admits to being a dick and makes no apologies.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Again. Marty Hurney, HORRIFIC GENERAL MANAGER.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:29 AM
letting Fox go is a move that had to be made. Thats not a reflection on Hurney. I hate Hurney and think Fox is a very good coach, but consistant 7-9 season weren’t cutting it.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 AM
that defense…woof.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 AM
Harbaugh’s a bigger lock for that than Rodgers I would think…going 9-1 with Alex Smith is only slightly less impressive than what Fox has done
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 AM
I saw Lisk tweet about this as it happened. I’ll start paying attention to Doyel when he learns to spell both his first and surname correctly and not like some pretentious hipster.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 AM
Agreed, but both needed to go. Hurney escaping is laughable. Fox got so much blame and Hurney so very little.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 AM
consistent QB’s of jake delhomme, matt moore and jimmy clausen weren’t cutting it either, marty derpey.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 AM
If Rodgers/the Packers dont have any kind of drop off in December, I’ll be surprised. But yeah, he’s the front runner.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:33 AM
NERDS!!!!
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Alex Smith would be the league MVP with the help Rodgers has in Green Bay. Shit, Mark Sanchez could finish in the top 5 with that cast of receivers. I refuse to acknowledge MVP votes for #12 from the place up north.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Hurney should be gone too, I’ll give you that. and the 2-14 season wasn’t on Fox. I’ll get him that. But to run the same offense for 8 or 9 seasons and playing not to lose games is all on Fox.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 AM
Forte should get some MVP votes, he’s doing it with less weapons then Rodgers. Bad O line, bad wr, good qb though.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Is Peyton eligible for the award? I don’t know the rules because it’s meaningless, but if a writer can vote for him without losing his vote because of it, I guarantee it will happen just so someone can write the easiest trolling article ever.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 AM
as long as Rodgers ends up as the leading passer in yards and not Brady, I’ll be happy.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Apparently you don’t notice some of the throws he makes to get the ball to those receivers. Typical. Take off your orange-and-blue tinted glasses, those are only acceptable if they’re UVA blue and orange.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 AM
That fucking idiot. ESPN, please take a nosedive into acid.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 AM
And I still can’t believe that some people think that Tebow is orchestrating the media circus. This is all the proof I need to know that this is beyond Tebow himself.
And Jimmy Sexton is his agent and I’m saying this.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Brees should claim that title, plays in a dome and they could still be playing important games at the end of the season
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
rodgers’ weapons aren’t the same without him pulling the trigger and vice versa. despite lisk’s hatred towards the overvalue of QB contributions, it’s still by far the most important position in the game and it’s really hard to envision the pack being as sick as they are without rodgers at the helm.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Doesn’t matter who your cast is if you can’t throw the ball consistently. Although, Rodgers did start a helluva lot more games in college than Sanchez….
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Gregg Doyel is circumcised and I am prepared to gamble on this.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Is this some kind of ‘the league leading passer has never won the superbowl’ Greggggg Easterbrook thing?
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Brees is half a game ahead of him in that category.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Doyel needs to take lessons from Souvenir City on how to properly troll Aaron Rodgers.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 AM
You mean the underthrown ones that 6’5″ Jermichael Finley stops, goes back, and comes down with? Or the ones that he throws over the wrong shoulder of Greg Jennings? What about the overthrow of Donald Driver that he went up and got, then got 21 more yards after the catch?
I didn’t miss those. Fuck Rodgers, fuck the belt, fuck Vince Lombardi drive and fuck the Packers as a whole motherfuckin’ crew.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 AM
But as for the Jets game.
I think everyone can admit that a 95 yard game winning drive against the Jets is far more impressive than the Broncos keeping the Jets offense in check.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 AM
I was trying to work something about how at least he knows he’s a whore and not a “dancer,” but it just came off sounding mean. Lisk is everyones favorite stripper.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
yeah, but it’s true. which is strange since i never thought i would agree with anything he ever said.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Doyel can’t afford my hourly rate on his meager salary, Lisk.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
SC’s not trolling, Bear fans simply aren’t capable of evaluating good quarterback play due to the history of their franchise, they don’t know what it looks like
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:44 AM
at this point, isn’t skip bayless the annoying fat kid at the pool who constantly yells at his mom to watch him when he gets on the diving board, even though all he is going to do is the same weak ass jump that he has done the previous 150 times?
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Doyel needs to take lessons from Souvenir City on how to properly troll Aaron Rodgers.
As an example….
You mean the underthrown ones that 6’5″ Jermichael Finley stops, goes back, and comes down with? Or the ones that he throws over the wrong shoulder of Greg Jennings? What about the overthrow of Donald Driver that he went up and got, then got 21 more yards after the catch?
I didn’t miss those. Fuck Rodgers, fuck the belt, fuck Vince Lombardi drive and fuck the Packers as a whole motherfuckin’ crew.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Right on cue…
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 AM
lol @ anyone quoting anything skip bayless says.
he’s probably the greatest troll in the history of sports media
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 AM
Should be the title of this blog.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Wonder if TBL has noticed who #35 is on the Advanced NFL stats list?
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
I was trying to work something about how at least he knows he’s a whore and not a “dancer,” but it just came off sounding mean. Lisk is everyones favorite stripper.
That analogy works right up until the point I realize you haven’t put anything in my G-string.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 AM
There’s still room for him at the Worldwide Leader in Sports, but there isn’t room for Bruce Feldman and Pat Forde.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 AM
This is what happens when you go to Iowa. You leave a complete dumbass
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Can only hope the Lions are putting Suh through the Derek Zoolander-Malaysian Prime Minister brainwash right now. You have my support on the holiday, Lions fans.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
I was astonished that Ricky Stanzi didnt find his way into the game last night. He must really suck.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
I don’t understand why anyone would bother getting worked up by Bayless. His job is to take an extreme point of view on every issue. There’s a reason why that show still exists, and why his segment is the centerpiece.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Awwww are you so mad that the little team from Chicago hasn’t won a super bowl in 25 years. awwwwwwwwwwwww
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Bears fans are just jealous that the team up the road will forever be better than them and that their QB is an infected, losing, fat waste of life.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
4th and 4 in the face of pressure and throwing off his left foot, throw was money…of course in that situation Jay Cutler either takes a sack or sails it over the TE’s head while his fans blame the offensive line not understanding that it actually was possible to complete the pass
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Come on. At least be creative. You didn’t even put in a pig fucking or corn reference here. I’m going to put a NI on your TBL report card for the quarter in insult creativity. Please have your legal guardian sign and return it after the holiday.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
prime minister of propecia.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
I love how Bayless believes the reason people turn on Tebow is because of his faith. No numb nuts, it’s because of you and the media’s unprofessional slurping over him 24/7.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
2010 Jamaal Charles knows Rick’s pain. The #FreeStanzi hashtag was out in force last night. Fear not, little Mainer. Rick will overcome the adversity. It’s what champions do.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Unfortunately, taking a well-informed and/or moderate position doesn’t put asses in the seats. Because this country is full of morons.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Think of him as being a poor man’s Jim Sorgi
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
BearsEagles fans are just jealous that the team up the road will forever be better than them and that their QB is an herp infected, losing, waste of life.November 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
I laughed a lot at this. Well done good sir.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
thats the thing. even the people that hate tebow dont really hate tebow. that man has done nothing wrong. People hate the media.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Band getting back together?
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
/loses to Minnesota
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
You didn’t even put in a pig fucking or corn reference here.
Is cornholing a pig a reference to Nebraska beating the crap out of Iowa?
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Well, Hef does have some extra time on his hands
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
I’ve spoken to the guys at MLJ and they’re confirmed they are not, in fact, getting the band back together. They were going to, but the idiocy of the gravy discussion and Aaron Rodgers bashing has made them lose all zest for writing. Way to go SC. I hope you’re happy.
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
My work here is done! The Joe Flacco posts were the only good thing about that site anyways.
/ladles gravy on thread
//while refreshing MLJ in the other tab
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
word to moonlight graham
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
/Standing ovation
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
/pours one out for flanchez
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
OH SHIT. FUCK BILL POLIAN.
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
If Tebow goes 5-1 the rest of the way and lose the Superbowl, would you actually consider it?
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Palko > Flacco
/2004
November 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Alucard is Dracula backwards
/Castlevania’d
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Young > Tebow
Bayless > Doyel
That says it all.
November 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 AM
Tim Tebow is an awesome athlete, and he worked hard to get where he is today. There are always going to be haters, and there are always going to be those who just like to sit and criticize. I think that most of his critics are biased against him because of his stance on his beliefs. Is there room for improvement based on NFL standards? Yes, but he is constantly working hard to get better, and I admire anyone who wants to be better. God bless him!!!