With Everyone Hating the BCS, Here’s What a 16-Team Playoff Would Look Like This Season
Everyone’s frustrated with the BCS even more this year than usual. Here’s a great column from Ralph Russo at the AP talking about how great a playoff would be: “There are always going to be polls and computer ratings. Even with a playoff they could come in handy. But a playoff would de-emphasize them and put the onus on the field.” I enjoyed this one from John Feinstein: “Let’s just throw a bunch of parties and forget the football altogether, because there is absolutely no way that selecting just two teams to play for the national championship can be done fairly or correctly.” For fun, here’s what a 16-team playoff would look like this year. It maintains the integrity of the regular season and gives conference winners a shot at the title.
All 11 conferences are represented. There are 5 at-large teams (Arkansas, Boise State, Alabama, Stanford, Michigan, though see the notes below). Higher seed plays at home until the Final 4, which is at a neutral site.
1 LSU (SEC champ)
16 Arkansas St. (Sun Belt champ)
8 Stanford (at-large)
9 Michigan (at large**)
5 Oregon (Pac-12 champ*)
12 TCU (MWC champ)
4 Oklahoma St. (Big 12 champ)
13 Houston/Southern Miss (CUSA champ)
6 Penn State/Mich St (Big Ten champ)
11 Louisville/Rutgers (Big East champ)
3 Arkansas (at-large)
14 Northern Illinois/Ohio (MAC champ)
7 Clemson/Virginia Tech (ACC champ)
10 Boise St (at-large)
2 Alabama (at large)
15 LA Tech/Nevada – WAC champ
I can’t even begin to fathom the 2nd round: LSU vs. Andrew Luck, Oregon 70, Oklahoma State 69, Arkansas vs. Michigan State, Boise St. vs. Alabama’s defense. That’d trump any New Year’s Day slate of bowls in the last decade. And it’s only the 2nd round.
* USC is on probation, or it would represent the Pac-12.
** If Michigan loses to Ohio State this week, the Wolverines come out, and get replaced by Kansas State or Georgia or Wisconsin.
*** I know the silly BCS formula loves Oklahoma, but it’d have to beat Oklahoma St to get in. Not sure who I’d replace in that scenario.

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November 21st, 2011 at 12:11 PM
If Arkansas doesn’t go to a BCS game, this in the Capital One Bowl is my dream.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Why did i read that as anus?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Well done, TBL.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Oh boy….
/pulls up lawn chair
//takes out onion hay with some malt vinegar
November 21st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
TCU over Oregon.
/A 12 seed beats a 5 every year
November 21st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
But a playoff would de-emphasize them and put the onus on the field
/ Why did i read that as anus?
You shouldn’t have, since Brian Kelly is not involved.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Arent they ranked 15th?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
This means you have Penn State beating Wisconsin this weekend, which also means you don’t really watch college football.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Nah. Just you and other people trying to sell copies of their book.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:15 PM
this again? yawn.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:16 PM
This all sounds nice in theory, but is there any way that the MAC, Sun Belt, and WAC are ever part of a D-1 playoff? If anything they get dropped to 1-AA.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:16 PM
You know who else really likes Oklahoma? The people that have watched them play that top 5 schedule. Pretty good football team in Norman.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Michigan over Oklahoma or Kansas State? Thank goodness the committee doesn’t have an agenda.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
It always cracks me up to see “Arkansas State” and “playoff” in the same article. Ever been to Jonesboro?
/neither have I
November 21st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
This is where the playoff should start. I think 16-teams in untenable though 12 could work with a first round bye for the top 4 teams.
But ultimately, and 8-team playoff would suffice and logistically feasible.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
fuck michigan.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 PM
The BCS works. Deal with it.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Michigan played 1 ranked team away from home all year and got beat by 2 touchdowns. Since travelling fanbases dont matter in a playoff, the Big 10 should only get 1 team in.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 PM
!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Are you telling me that LA Tech doesn’t deserve a spot more than Oklahoma, VA Tech, or Baylor?
But they won their conference!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Can someone rationally explain how this year’s shaping up is chaos rather than an endorsement for the title shot being limited to a handful of worthy teams?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
So, let’s hash this out instead of making fun of it so you can see just how silly this whole thing really is.
As it stands, the conference title games take place the weekend of December 3rd. When do your playoffs start? The week after? OK, I’ll assume that’s what you want for expedition purposes. December 10th is your first round. You know what else is the week of December 10th? Final exams. You know, those things student athletes have to take to remain eligible to play. They have to not only take them, but pass them! Novel concept.
Moving on… So, the players pass the exams and play in the games. December 10th passes and you’re down to 8 teams left. I’ll just assume you’ve got the logistics of ticket sales, transportation and stadium staffs all figured out for these 2 rounds of home games. That’s pretty easy to accomplish in a week’s time. Oh wait… they close dorms, university facilities and other campus buildings while sending their staff home the week of December 18th? Well then…
I’ll hang up and listen.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
MSU’s final exams are the week of Dec 3.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
i could, but there’s really no point.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
All those people whining about a rematch would HATE a playoff. 1 vs 5, 1 vs 3, 1 vs 2, all would be rematches.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Go Bucks.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I’ve come to accept the BCS, but I refuse to believe it works. Especially this year.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
it is based on this week, Watson.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
1 LSU
8 Stanford
7 Clemson/Virginia Tech
2 Alabama
5 Oregon
4 Oklahoma St.
6 Penn State/Mich St
3 Arkansas
/8 team playoff means the players won’t get too far behind in their communications classes
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
I love these playoff formats where Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, and Ohio get to play for a national title, but a two loss Kansas State and two loss Wisconsin doesn’t. That seems fair. And why is the BE champ ranked 11 ahead of TCU and Houston? Makes no sense.
I think this is the wrong year to clamor for a playoff when there’s only one unbeaten team that has a chance to beat the 2,3, and 10 teams on the way to the title game.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
This all sounds nice in theory, but is there any way that the MAC, Sun Belt, and WAC are ever part of a D-1 playoff?
Oh, hell no. In this fantasyland that has just been presented, there is no way in hell The Big TX (or Big 10 or SEC) would ever allow the Sun Belt conference to having an equal number of teams in any year.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
except it doesn’t.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Allegedly. Draw your own conclusions.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
!!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Ahhh, I see. Then I apoligize for the comment.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Also, where are your neutral sites? Since you’re so focused on the bowl committees and their corrupt ways, I assume you’ve got a plan in place to discourage corruption and ridiculous payouts for those involved at the neutral sites, right?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
One big 12 team, two Big Ten teams.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
I think a 4 team playoff for the top spot is better. Still allows the major bowl games, conference championships, and keeps teams like Clemson and OSU who both lost this weekend interested in keeping themselves interested after locking up the conference.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
sure it does. college football has been fine for over a century without a playoff and there’s rarely four+ title worthy teams in a given year as it is.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
One thing we keep forgetting in this discussion. Division 1-AA does this every year. EVERY year. Sure, UC-Davis or Appalacian State don’t “travel” as well as Michigan, but their players go to class, take finals, etc. And, they settle the championship question on the field.
If I-AA can solve this, why not 1-A?
/don’t answer, I know what you’re gonna say
November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
SC the timing issue is a bigger issue over the holidays, when again the schools would surely want home games involved in a playoff system and where you will see massive logistical problems. Most of these schools are hemorrhaging cash and suddenly they have to employee people over the breaks so that the schools can be open to house the kids? I don’t think so Tim.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
My favorite BCS Doomsday Scenario:
Arkansas beats LSU
Georgia beats Arkansas
LSU plays Alabama for the NC
TWO teams that didn’t make it to the conference championship play for the NC.
/system still works, though
//seriously
November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
A 16 team tournament with the SunBelt champ? No thanks. Much prefer Mandel’s plus one plan.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
LSU played West Virginia this year, not Virginia Tech.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
This would be a valid argument if the 1-AA playoffs werent happening that same weekend. And those kids actually have to go to class if they want to make money after college. Your second paragraph is a much better point. Logistics dont matter as much in 1-AA playoffs cause nobody goes to the games anyhow.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
And the attendance for ASU playoff games is well below their regular season average.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
This is awesome. My favorite part is the transparency of the methodology.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
THANK YOU
November 21st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
like the players actually show up and take them now.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
It’s something that the BCS detractors will not mention; more often then not the BCS selects the top 2 teams and the champion is rarely disputed. How many times can you really say the BCS got it wrong? That is the two teams playing didn’t deserve to be there? I am not going to support blowing up my favorite sport just so some jerkoff sun belt team gets to be included in the playoff. Add a plus one (likely) and be done with it
November 21st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Eye test & sparkly baubles.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
5 is Oregon, 3 is Arkansas, 2 is Alabama. All played (or will have played) LSU.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
That’s all you really need to say. If Arkansas (or Georgia after that) beat LSU, it’s going to be tough to argue that the BCS works.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Here here. And can I just say fuck 1-AA for putting Maine in Appalachian state for the first round!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Thats hilarious. But I think in that scenario you would need Oklahoma to beat Oklahoma state because if all of that plays out I could see an LSU/Ok state game and the voters hopping OK State over Bama.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
only way Arkansas is playing in the SECCG is if Auburn beats Bama this weekend. so even in your doomsday scenario, Arkansas can make it without playing in the title game.
Go Hogs! Win it for #88.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
It would be more credible if you took, say, two of the champs of the crap conferences. Arkansas St under your system has a better chance of getting in than Arkansas.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
You know what else is the week of December 10th? Final exams.
like the players actually show up and take them now.
With distance learning and traveling tutors, can’t at least some players take finals whilst on the road?
/Memphis Tigers don’t have to worry about such.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Eye test & sparkly baubles.
Too many numbers
/Playoff people
November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
The BCS is a cartel. I don’t mind the endless seas of December and January bowl games, but the crap they created is dogsh#!. We’d all be better off with the old system.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
That has Michigan as the top ranked big 10 team and Wisconsin 2nd, with MSU 3rd, despite MSU beating both of them and being the only team in the conference with 1 loss. So, those ratings are obviously bullshit.
/waits to be called a homer
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
They take them prior to appearing in the postseason. You know, the bowl games. They have 3-5 weeks off from December 3rd to their bowl games in the current system. It’s a small part of the problem for the playoff crowd, but it’s still part of the problem.
Staffing the stadium, housing students that choose to stay and are in university housing, selling the tickets and arranging the transportation for a school like Arkansas State might be a little bit more complicated than the author is giving credit for.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Western Kentucky gave LSU more of a fight than Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Kentucky.
/Western Kentucky–2nd or 3rd best Sun Belt team
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
and there is the major, major problem with a 16 team playoff. It’s assuming that each and every game is going to be a sellout. One week notice to by tickets and travel is not much time when you have to get to small, college towns which are not near a major airport.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
the only conceivable reason anyone would suggest there be two BCS big ten teams is if that person was a michigan fan. the entire conference is some rank, horrible, foul smelling dookie.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Even if this scenario was to be considered, I think that the exam schedule would be low on the priority list.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
/Western Kentucky–2nd or 3rd best Sun Belt team
That fact that you guys know these things boggle my mind.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
OK State lost to a 4 TD dog. That’s like if Michigan lost to Appalachian State….
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
My honest sympathy for your TE
It’s gonna be a war Friday. May the best team win
/meaning LSU
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
More striking than the fact that the Big 12 is ranked first is the huge margin it has over everyone else (per Sagarin). If I have time I’ll try to see when was the last season there was that big a gap…
November 21st, 2011 at 12:32 PM
raises hand. and yes, it is the shit-hole you would imagine. and worse, it’s in a dry county.
+1 to you though for knowing the school is in Jonesboro.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:32 PM
They played LSU last week. I got the rundown that night. Plus, I know people on the staff at LA-Lafayette.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Go Bucks. Win this weekend and we don’t even need to concern ourselves with Michigan except for when Arkansas rolls them in the Capital One Bowl.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:33 PM
it’s in a dry county.
/faints
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Everyone hates the BCS because a two or three columnists wrote negative things about it? Isn’t that sort of like deciding everyone hates pants because a few people complain about how much theirs ride up when they sit down?
/probably not
//but broad brushes are still stupid
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Looking at this list?
2000 (Miami should have been in over FSU)
2001 (Nebraska didn’t win their conference)
2003 (USC splits national title)
2004 (Auburn left out as 3rd undefeated team)
2006 (1-loss Michigan left out for Florida)
2008 (Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech all beat each other)
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Don’t worry, it won’t happen again, ASU will be in FBS soon enough.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
The problem is, everyone who trumpets a playoff isn’t a college football first and foremost. They’re NFL guys who want the college game to be a Saturday version of their sport.
I’m not against a playoff. I’m against people bitching about the BCS.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Agreed. Arkansas is playing their best ball of the year right now, the game is lining up to be so fucking awesome. if this was a normal work week I would be a miserable asshole more than normal.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
With everyone hating the BCS*interrupted* Hey, we don’t hate the BCS *says it louder and repeatedly because THAT makes you right* WITH EVERYONE HATING THE BCS
November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
That’s probably not happening. Wisconsin will win this weekend, then beat MSU next weekend. MSU to the cap one. Again. Curbstomped. Again.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
You really don’t need to be a Michigan “fan” to recognize they are a national draw, and have a large alumni base with disposable income that likes to travel.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
raises hand. and yes, it is the shit-hole you would imagine. and worse, it’s in a dry county.
+1 to you though for knowing the school is in Jonesboro.
Arkbadger, your Red Wolves stomped on my Memphis Tigers earlier this year. I think it was 37-7, or something like that.
When your fave team begs to get in a BCS conference yet gets stomped into goo by ASU, you know this discussion about BCS versus playoffs doesn’t apply to you.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Bolded items are the only ones I was ever concerned with.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I’m sure nobody cares, but there hasn’t been a gap anywhere close to this going as far back as I was able (1998).
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
From what I hear, the teams bid for home games or something like that. I don’t think Montana has played a road playoff game in like 15 years.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
That’s probably not happening. Wisconsin will win this weekend, then beat MSU next weekend. MSU to the cap one. Again. Curbstomped. Again.
/moderation
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I’ll carry this flag.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Washington had the real gripe that year…
Not a requirement
That’s because the AP Pollsters are Assholes. LSU won.
Because the current system found them to be ranked third out the 3.
41-14
24-14
November 21st, 2011 at 12:37 PM
how are these “getting it wrong?” seems that there can’t be a wrong answer if there isn’t a right one.
/also high fives SC
November 21st, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Would any at-large system for playoff spots take rankings into account? It would seem to me that would still have the biggest problem that many see with the BCS, the reliance on ridiculous pre-season rankings that can set teams up for either a buffer or an impossible hurdle.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
In 2007 wasn’t LSU a 2 TD favorite over Arkansas AT HOME? If you break down Alabama and Ok state’s schedules I don’t know how you could say Alabama played a much tougher one. Voters hate rematches.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
And ASU is several spots higher in the rankings than Maine …
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
I don’t think even Michigan fans believe they are a top 10 team. But the way the system is set up and considering what it values, Michigan will get in with a win this weekend.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
i wasn’t talking about travelling, i was talking about quality of the team.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:40 PM
Losing 63-37 in your last game is.
As for the Big 12 South fiasco, blame the voters. They subscribed to the “Oklahoma scores the most points SO THEY’RE THE BEST!” theory. Which is 97 percent wrong.
/BCS isn’t perfect
//but they haven’t monumentally fucked up in 10 years
November 21st, 2011 at 12:40 PM
I don’t expect OSU to win. But, If they decide to play defense and the seniors decide to actually play hard. Bollman quits this wildcat shit and lets Braxton play. They can win.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 PM
I would say there’s a difference between getting it right and getting it wrong. 2000 and 2003 were examples of getting it wrong, IMO. In my other examples, I don’t think there was a right answer because of the situation.
That’s not to tear down the BCS, it accomplishes what it’s set out to do, but I think a plus-one would do wonders.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 PM
A new system does not have to be perfect it just has to skew towards more competition and less fucking tea leaf reading to determine which team is better.
/Glares at NFL west playoff representatives of yesteryear’s
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Auburn’s 2004 non-conference schedule
Louisiana Tech
The Citadel (1-AA)
Louisiana-Monroe (1-AA)
Next.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Well put. Adding a +1 would be a huge step in solving a lot of those problems.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
There will be 10 undefeated teams, the BCS will burn down. /month ago
There will be 10 1 loss teams, the BCS will burn down /week ago
Um, well, it looks like the best 2 teams will actually end up playing each other, so, um, if you dont want football season to ever end lets make up some games and say hooray. /today
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
If there was an 8 team playoff, people will start bitching about the team finishing 9th getting left out. People just bitch to bitch.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
likewise on the +1.
im against a playoff because i know my browns will drastically overdraft some player who has a hot playoff streak and will continue to be fucked. if you’re looking for a reason why your team sucks, just ask the browns…they have all of em.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Perfect world. Throw out the conference championships and have an 8 team playoff that starts the weekend of conference titles, ends in January. That would be awesome.
/no one gives a shit about the fucking Sun Belt.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
I’m excited for Bama-LSU at the Superdome. I think it’s going to be an awesome game.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Isn’t better (meaning, better for determining a champion) to bitch about the 8th team than the 2nd?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Flyers Winter Classic Jerseys are dope.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 PM
That’s really what’s going on here. We’re just pawns, and TBL is laughing all the way to the bank.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 PM
indeed.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 PM
If conference expansion gets all crazy and there’s no reason for certain conferences to have auto bids anymore (looking at you, Rutgers) then isn’t it conceivable that they could just say fuck it and turn the BCS title game into the plus one and pull one of the at large bids? Or just add another BCS game like the Cotton Bowl or some shit?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Flyers Winter Classic Jerseys are dope.
Third’d
November 21st, 2011 at 12:47 PM
My whole point is this – dont try turning college football into college basketball. Nobody wants to see Arky State, Louisiana Tech, and Ohio play LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas. College basketball is an underdog sport, college football is an overdog sport.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
They’re still scumbags
November 21st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
Plus, I know people on the staff at LA-Lafayette
Are they all packing their bags for a move to Tulane with Hudspeth? Or is Rich Rod actually gonna take that gig?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Entering logic into this discussion will not sit well with the “everything is fine in college football” crowd.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Also on the list of things I’m excited for:
- Sidney Crosby playing hockey tonight
- Gaining 10 pounds of turkey, stuffing and other assorted items on Thursday
- Cold turkey sammiches on Friday during the NHL’s black Friday slate
- Taking Xanax and drinking a Yuengling before getting on the plane Wednesday so it feels like I’m walking on air
November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 PM
browns will drastically overdraft some player who has a hot playoff streak and will continue to be fucked.
If the world’s behaviour is beholden to try to prevent the Cleveland Browns from doing stupid things I think the world should decide to kill off those retards.
/Refuses a new categorical imperative whereby everything you do is judged morally on it’s influence of dumb asses.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 PM
golf.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 PM
The funniest part of all of this is that people bitch about big schools playing Directional U as non-conference games, yet they want the little guys in their 16 team playoff. Can somebody square that for me?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Seriously. Let’s talk turkey. Anyone deep frying their bird this year? Anyone got one over 25 lbs?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 PM
hey, that’s just one of the many sprinkles, ok? or maybe it’s like the one, single, solitary, out of place sprinkle on a ribeye. i dunno…i forgot what my original analogy was.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 PM
better play it on NCAA 2012, cause the Hogs are winning this Friday.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 PM
I’m going to the Flyers – Habs game on Black Friday and couldn’t be more excited.
It starts at 3pm and the number of people attending this game hungover with the express purpose of drinking off their hangover is high.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Only one of these teams won the Big XII.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 PM
I bought tickets for Wednesday game yesterday one hour before the news broke out. I think the seats were 85 a piece, now it’s probably up $500 from where I’m sitting. Some seats are going well over a 1000 tonight.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Hate to break it to Pen fans. Crosby = Lindros.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Turkey? Too much of an American tradition. Give me something else to satisfy my short attention span.
/anti-college football honks
November 21st, 2011 at 12:56 PM
LSU Freek has solved the BCS.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:56 PM
What logic? No one is saying the BCS is perfect, or that it ever will be. As a college football fan I know two things.
(1) The BCS was better than what we had 20 years ago. 15 years ago. Etc.
(2) A playoff including a 8-4 Sun Belt champion is fucking stupid. Just give LSU the bye.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:57 PM
Woo Pig Sooie Friday, War Damn Eagle Saturday, as disgusting as that is to say.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I’d sell and watch on my couch. It’d be a cool atmosphere live but that’s some serious profit staring you in the face. I hope Johnson starts so he can fight Mr. Glass again.
I have a feeling that Asham is going to fight someone. Probably the first guy that delivers a check to 87.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Since your Crosby hater #1 around here, the opinion is tarnished.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Got a 21 pounder so far. Gonna see on Wednesday if I can find a bigger one.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Indeed. And sadly since the schools have buildings to put up and giant salaries to pay, the conference championships aren’t going away either. So if the plus one is the all we’ll get in the real world, I’ll take it.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 PM
If anything just cut the D-1 into only six conferences. Why is Houston even playing the damn sport if they have zero chance to win a championship because the worthless BCS doesn’t allow it.
So tired of sports writers who don’t watch every game having final say as to who the best teams are. Even more tired of people defending this nonesense.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Is today the AL MVP day?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 PM
I’m going to a gluten-free Thanksgiving. Not stoked about that. People with celiac disease should just kill themselves and make the world an easier place for me to cook.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:02 PM
I don’t mean it’s sad that the schools have budgets that football helps pay for, I mean it’s sad in the sense that conference championships are inventions of conference and school administrators that have no relationship to tradition or helping determine a fair champion.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Hud wants an SEC gig. Tulane is a lateral move.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 PM
So they can fund the all of their other varisty sports.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 PM
I’ve cooled on my Crosby hate. I want him back in the NHL. His situation reminds me of Lindros though. Crosby will be scoring 15 goals a year for the Rangers in 5 years.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Uh. Which directional school would make a hypothetical 16 team playoff?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 PM
I have no idea what I’m having Thursday. The usual great meal at the grandparents is being skipped (they’re old, they’re still working, and they just want a day to themselves), and no gf to impress, so going to my mom’s boyfriend’s sister’s place. She and her husband are “eclectic”, if not to just say they’re fucking nuts.
I’ll be eating quickly, hope it tastes good, and get back home as soon as possible.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:04 PM
College football still hanging on to “tradition” as a talking point, eh?
/Changes conference
November 21st, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Eye test & sparkly baubles.
It’ll get interesting for the SEC in this rating system after SC loses to Clemson, uf loses to fsu, Wake beats Vandy, and if uga loses to Tech.
Auburn’s loss to Clemson and uga’s loss to Boise, among others, aren’t helping matters.
SEC teams outside the top 3 aren’t helping the cause, creating an interesting argument against a lsu-bama rematch.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 PM
Well, turkey and rice isn’t terrible. And it could be worse: Vegan Thanksgiving
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 PM
Lindros’s injuries were horribly and hilariously mismanaged by Philly (WHAT’S UP BOBBY CLARKE!) and they literally nearly killed him. The Penguins have been beyond cautious with Crosby, most likely in no small part due to Lindros’s legacy.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 PM
no deep fry, but my inlaws are doing a nice brine on the bird this year, and i plan on getting lots of dark beer.
and running 4 miles in the morning to feel less guilty as the day wears on.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Northern Illinois’ looking good to take the MAC…and people said the Badgers didn’t play anybody in the non-conference season, pfftt
November 21st, 2011 at 1:06 PM
They will have a championship, their conference championship. This is the goal for any program at the beginning of the year and everything else is just gravy. It’s just not enough for Joe Casual Fan.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Let’s talk turkey.
Firing up the smoker at about 6AM after 36 hours of brining in two stages.
/drools uncontrollably
November 21st, 2011 at 1:06 PM
There’s one in the post.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:07 PM
LOL
November 21st, 2011 at 1:07 PM
but how much are the players going to get paid?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:08 PM
HA! Like I even read these posts anymore.
But yeah, I agree, automatic bids for shitty conferences is dumb. Just take the top 16.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:08 PM
Michalek is also back tonight. This is the first time Malkin, Staal, and Crosby are healthy together since the 2010 playoffs.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:08 PM
I see this too, but if I can play devil’s advocate…..
Sid plays a much different game from Eric. Eric would run a guy into the 3rd row if he felt like. He also fought with more regularity in his heyday than you might think. Crosby doesn’t have close to Lindros’ physical game, plus his mitts are sealed onto his hands, where they belong.
If you’re a Pens fan, the comparison you are hoping for is Patrice Bergeron.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
And ship teams down? That wouldn’t cause any problems.
What the hell are you talking about? The BCS would allow Houston to play. The problem is, when your schedule is littered with 6-6 Conference USA teams you have to offset that crap elsewhere. Simply playing 6-6 UCLA out of conference and following it up with Lousiana Tech, North Texas, and Georgia State (a second year I-AA school) isn’t enough to be in the discussion.
I don’t think ANYONE can argue Houston’s way in at this point.
They don’t. The AP Poll isn’t inlcuded in the BCS.
Because the 4 or 5 of us that do are so much to offset the other 50or 60 on here who are against it.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
That’s the great thing about holidays. There’s always family around to watch the baby so I can get a good workout in in the morning.
May I suggest fartlekking (scroll to the bottom). Never has working out sounded so funny.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
LaMonroe was Div-I-A.
And what you are saying is that Oklahoma deserved to get thumped in the National Title game because they played Bowling Green and Auburn did not. In the off-season, Oklahoma threw some money at Bowling Green, and they moved from Auburn’s schedule to Oklahoma. Auburn was forced to replace them with The Citadel.
Of course, Auburn or Oklahoma would have thumped Bowling Green. It’s stupid to decide who you play in the national title game based on the 9th most difficult game you played.
Oklahoma’s best OOC game that year was against a 5-6 Oregon team.
Auburn had one of the nation’s top offenses AND defenses. Oklahoma? Gosh, a defense would have been handy.
Let’s not pretend that 2004 was anything other than a beauty contest based on reputation
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
If Southern Miss wins CUSA or if Northern Illinois wins the MAC, them, although “Directional U” wasn’t intended to literally mean “a school with an ordinal or cardinal direction in its name”, but rather the types of schools that populate the Sun Belt, WAC, and MAC.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 PM
I really have to do this this year. I dont have to leave the house till 10 AM, plenty of time to get in a run before then.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Michigan State.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Pretty much all of this.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 PM
I see that Iowa education paid off.
/37-21
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Right. Because they used the BCS to decide who won. This helps your argument how?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Because that’s what the teams agreed the tiebreaker would be when they decided to take the $25 mil a year they get from the Big 12 in TV revenue and BCS money?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:15 PM
They used the BCS standings to decide who advanced to the Big XII championship game.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:15 PM
I’m a big fan of burpees
/why does every exercise sound like passing gas?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:16 PM
yeah, that’s incredible exhausting, i’ve done that a few times, thought it would be “fun”.
past few years i’ve been filling up too soon on food, i want to eat and need to jumpstart my appetite this thursday. nothing better than a long run for that.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:16 PM
It is interesting how much benefit of the doubt Alabama is being given.
In 2004, the SEC was “down,” meaning Auburn running the conference was not considered impressive. Funny enough, right after that the SEC becomes a juggernaut. This year, the SEC is generally “down” outside of the LSU-Bama-Arkansas circle jerk. Bama’s position is basically justified because it beat Arkansas, and it is Bama.
In 2004, Auburn playing The Citadel was a huge black eye. This year, I don’t hear Herbstreit yapping about Bama playing Georgia Southern, and not playing them very well.
What is in common is that in 2004, Oklahoma began the year number two, and while they occasionally budged, the original attraction held out. What did Alabama begin this year ranked? Number two…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:17 PM
“Not so fast my friend.” – marijuana
November 21st, 2011 at 1:17 PM
The SEC sucked that year, though.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 PM
I’m so glad you’re back.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 PM
The fact they agreed to it doesn’t make it a logical way to decide. All of these teams have agreed to the BCS. Doesn’t mean the system makes sense or somehow magically adjudicates who is best. It makes it the best we have to work with.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 PM
Not to be a complete dick, but the Citadel were fucking awful that year and Georgia Southern is one of the three best teams in IAA this year, it’s not really comparable.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Big Game Bob running up scores, doing his thing. Thank goodness for RGIII bringing the karmic justice.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23 PM
In your opinion? Doesn’t look like it. In those 12 teams’ opinion it did.
How does it not make sense. Takes their formula that everyone has agreed on around teh country and spits out the #1 and #2 ranked teams. Before that there are hundreds of games played everywhere. In the end the formula doesn’t decide the champ, just the two that play for it.
Exactly.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Exactly, this Auburn-shouldve gone in ’04 talk is revisionist history based on the SEC’s dominance from ’06-now, and Oklahoma’s debacle in the Orange Bowl that year. ’04 and ’05 were down years for the SEC.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Again, you somehow think it is important that the ninth best team on someone’s schedule be completely terrible versus just totally overwhelmed. Maybe if I were a Michigan fan it would be different, but I view any 1-AA game on the schedule as a week off. The NCAA agrees, limiting the number of these teams you can play to count for your bowl eligibility.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Stuck at a wedding…couldn’t believe the gamecast. I had even told someone it was headed to overtime.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:29 PM
I would Oklahoma getting totally destroyed in the national title game, while perhaps “revisionist history,” is also evidence that they were only so good.
The “Big 12 is strong” story from that year was based on large part on the Big 12 South mauling the Big 12 North. Oklahoma had the benefit of playing four teams, plus Baylor, who were able to fatten up their schedules with two easy wins against the Big 12 North. Texas’s best out of conference win was 22-20 over an unranked Arkansas team. Oklahoma’s was over a 5-6 Oregon team. Perhaps the SEC was weak, but the Big-12′s strength was vastly oversold.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:40 PM
The Scrotum Tuggers shutout a BCS winner and beat a Tech team that mollywhopped the Aaron Rodgers-led Cal team that everyone thought should be in the Rose Bowl. The Barners had no such notable victories.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Beating an 8-4 Texas Tech team is a notable victory?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:01 PM
BTW it’s great that you are saying a Holiday Bowl win over a team that should have been in the BCS is a compelling argument that the BCS got another matchup right.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:02 PM
No they didn’t. They beat Miami at home early in the year and then dropped the ball later while Miami beat the then ranked #1 team. BOTH POOLS HAD MIAMI AHEAD OF F$U but the computer system was even more fucked at that time so it gave them the nod. Completely and utterly hosed.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:02 PM
16 Teams is overkill. 8, that’s it! No automatic bids. Don’t like it? Tough shit.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:03 PM
The BCS got it right in 2000. FSU lost by 3 points on the road to Miami. Miami lost on the road by 5 to Washington. Washington lost by 7 to Oregon on the road. Oregon ended up lossing 2 games. SOS from Sargin is Washington 3, FSU 11, Miami 12. Now someone make a case for Miami over both FSU and Oregon.
Or the year when the Big 12 had the 3 teams finish 11-1 with the losses coming round robin. Make the case for Texas over OU when OU had the greater MOV in the round robin.
2004 Tell me when Auburn should have jumped OU in the polls. Even if the pre season polls did not exist there is no point that the humans would have ever voted them ahead of OU in the regular season.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:07 PM
Texas lost a one possession game on the road, OU lost by double digits in a neutral site game.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:08 PM
They were ranked number 2 at the end of the season. Sagarin (I assumed that is what you meant even though you spelled it wrong) is not the be all and end all. And if the BCS got it so right, why did they change the formula after that year? Nice try trying to use single digit score margins to justofy though.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:21 PM
My thoughts exactly. In the end it’s clear who deserves the spot and who doesn’t.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Thanks to the cat above talking about the logistical problems with a playoff I honestly thought I was the only person that thought about that. To add on to that point how exactly are most of these areas going to handle an additional 20 to 40k fans on a one week notice? This is the busiest travel time of the year so were are they going to find the planes to run these extra routes into Knoxville, Tallahassee, Eugene, Madison and Lincolns of the world. Where are they going to find the hotel capacity. Take Gainsville were Orlando acts as one of its over flow areas for game weekend hotels this time of the year they are close to full capacity.
And after the novelty of playoffs wear out how are they going to sell out stadiums? This is not basketball were you need only 20k to fill up an arena most located in metro areas. These are games that are taking place in more rural areas on 1 week notice up to 3 times in December. Big money donors and boosters are the types that already have holiday obligations with work and family parties but now you are expecting 20k to travel every weekend for a month.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Sorry I missed this, though I’ve finally decided this isn’t the forum at all for inserting logic into an argument against the playoff crowd.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Cleet- Used him for SOS because its the easiest one to locate but it does not matter just about any SOS ranking is going to have those 3 teams SOS roughly in the same ball park as to not make the difference.
They changed the formula because the sports writers bitched Miami did not get in over FSU. The change they came up with though would have still put FSU in the game over Miami. The only way a formula would put Miami in the BCS title game that year over FSU would be to only go by human polls.
That was my point you can make the case for Miami heads up over FSU but you can’t make the Miami over Washington case. All 3 losses were single score on the road to top 10 teams.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:59 PM
I think it’s close to a lock.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Sun Belt, MAC, & WAC are NEVER going to be included in a D-1 playoff…including them in your mock 16 only serves to invalidate your hypothetical.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:16 PM
well right now, the two aren’t on the same page. plus, in a playoff format, you’d have to cut a game or two, and the gimmies vs directional U are first to go
November 21st, 2011 at 8:17 PM
in a few hours, Rich Rod went from Tulane to Arizona. not a bad upgrade, at all. raise your hand if you saw that coming?
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:46 AM
Why does everyone always say 16 teams is untenable? Every other level of NCAA football does it. Of course, you’d have to get teams to give up their twelfth money grab… um… regular season game to fit it in.
November 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 PM
That money grab as you call it is what keeps an awful lot of kids on schorlarship. The buy to beats need these games to fund their atheletic departments.
No other level of NCAA football has a 16 game playoff system that anyone cares about. There is a big difference from running games were schools bid on hosting playoff games and have to fill single digit thousand seats and having to fill up to 110,000 seats on 1 week notice during the time of year people have the most outside obligations.