/Awaits Giants fan to tell me I am wrong

nope,that’s right. not as bad as he used to be. that was the knock on him coming out of Ole Miss. the giants needed those big targets when he was young. Burress 6-5, Toomer 6-3, and Shockey 6-4 with huge wing span.

This is purely anecdotal on my part and I have not watched as many Eli games as a Giants fan has but it seems when Eli is inaccurate, he tends to miss high. The higher the ball, the more impact the wind can have on it, which may explain why the wind seems to hurt him more than other QBs. Also, Eli tends to throw down field more than most QBs which, again, tend to be throws more affected by wind.

/Awaits Giants fan to tell me I am wrong

This actually makes sense. Phil Simms was known for not being affected by windy days for the reason that he eventually was able to adjust his throws. This is also why McNabb, who is notorious for throwing low, was able to have success in the game at the Meadowlands where Eli struggled.

Unless your point went over my head, which is entirely possible.

I don’t think we really disagreed. I just think participation by a pitcher is difficult, because better pitchers participate less.

I can’t explain why Eli seems more affected by the wind than other QBs. I haven’t read anyone who can. It’s not like he doesn’t have the arm strength.

This is purely anecdotal on my part and I have not watched as many Eli games as a Giants fan has but it seems when Eli is inaccurate, he tends to miss high. The higher the ball, the more impact the wind can have on it, which may explain why the wind seems to hurt him more than other QBs. Also, Eli tends to throw down field more than most QBs which, again, tend to be throws more affected by wind.

/Awaits Giants fan to tell me I am wrong

Phil Simms had his struggles late in the year too. I doubt any QB who played home games in the old stadium would look good statistically. But it appears the new stadium is not as big a detriment.

/nods
//why giants need a running game
///they’re fucked

through 40 games, 2.5 seasons, very similar stats. i don’t know how/why that’s so difficult to grasp

1. Eli’s stats were better. 2.Eli’s stats were about league average in ’04. Sanchez’s shittiness is not even close to average QB play in ’11.

I can’t explain why Eli seems more affected by the wind than other QBs. I haven’t read anyone who can. It’s not like he doesn’t have the arm strength.

Phil Simms had his struggles late in the year too. I doubt any QB who played home games in the old stadium would look good statistically. But it appears the new stadium is not as big a detriment.

Thank you, this was exactly what I was looking for.

/looks at 10 WWoS comments trying and failing to make that point
//oh well

No, you kept bringing it back to value, which I wanted to leave out of the equation. I just wanted to know if the participation rates were roughly equal, before we started considering the value aspect.

Unless your point went over my head, which is entirely possible.

the post is nothing more than the headline: through 40 games, 2.5 seasons, very similar stats. i don’t know how/why that’s so difficult to grasp, but …

Similar stats, you know, besides the 16 more TD’s and 500 more passing yards.

/Sanchez throws just as many picks as he does TD’s
//He’s not good

Thank you, this was exactly what I was looking for.

/looks at 10 WWoS comments trying and failing to make that point
//oh well

Neyer has written a few articles about this. A starting pitcher that starts 32 games is about equal to an everyday player. A pitcher might pitch only 1 out of 5 games, but he’s something like 6x more responsible for the outcome of the game he pitched in.

Thank you, this was exactly what I was looking for.

I’m interested in finding out exactly what the difference is between a pitcher and an everyday player in terms of % of a team’s season.

Neyer has written a few articles about this. A starting pitcher that starts 32 games is about equal to an everyday player. A pitcher might pitch only 1 out of 5 games, but he’s something like 6x more responsible for the outcome of the game he pitched in.

If I remember correctly, the most recent Eagles playoff loss was on a last second field goal, and he played well.

He doesn’t play poorly every game by any means. But he does tend to play worse late in the season, particularly when it’s windy. He did play well against the Eagles in Philly — but that was 2007 (I screwed up by saying the most recent was in Philly, I was wrong, it was in NY). 23-11, Manning threw a particularly bad pick (and one other) that Asante returned to the 1.

I can’t explain why Eli seems more affected by the wind than other QBs. I haven’t read anyone who can. It’s not like he doesn’t have the arm strength.

the post is nothing more than the headline: through 40 games, 2.5 seasons, very similar stats. i don’t know how/why that’s so difficult to grasp

You can’t “just sayin’” us with the undertone of that you’ve been defending Sanchez and tried to find ways to defend/promote Sanchez for the last 3 months. It’s not a de novo argument… it’s data mining to find an example that supports the conclusion you already had in mind.