Devin Hester to the Hall of Fame? Pete Prisco Says No.
Devin Hester did it again on Sunday, and yet people keep on punting to him.
That tally puts it up to 17 total special teams touchdowns, as he has added three more this season, including a kickoff return (so much for the Devin Hester rule, huh?). He already surpassed Brian Mitchell for most special teams return touchdowns last season, and I’m pretty sure Mitchell caught punts from both Blanda and Lechler. Hester is in his sixth season, and has obliterated the return marks.
So, naturally, talk turns to his legacy, and whether he is a Hall of Famer. Pete Prisco says no.
But when you consider special teams to be 1/12th or so of the game, how can a player who returns kicks and punts be in the Hall?
Let’s call Hester what he is, a special return man who can change a game.
Not Hall worthy.
I think there are a couple of arguments here. First, it’s not the Hall of Value, it’s the Hall of Fame. Now, I am a statistics guy, so I like to see tangible proof of value and not just opinion, but we can try to assess Hester. It’s pretty clear he is the best candidate among return men. I have no problem with a returner who set records like Hester being considered. My issue comes more with the intangible stuff where Peter King prefers someone like Steve Tasker, but how can you really be sure he was better than Bill Bates? (And that sets aside how much less value one coverage guy has versus one returner).
But let’s turn to Devin Hester’s value, and for now, set aside any contribution as a receiver. He has scored 17 regular season return TD’s. We’ll give him full credit for 7 points on each return touchdown. That’s 117 points in 87 regular season games–1.34 points per team game. We need to compare that to average, and taking out Hester’s returns, and looking at the punt and kick returns by everyone else, the average is 0.40 points per game from return touchdowns from 2006-2011. Hester, then, is almost 1 point better than average per game, just accounting for the touchdowns. He also has some smaller incremental value because of punts forced out of bounds, and return yards above average on non-touchdowns that set up better field position. It’s not hard to think he is in the +1.2 to +1.3 range on points better than average as a returner.
When I tried to look at what an average Hall of Famer was worth, the rough answer was about +1.8 points versus an average starter on offense, and +1.6 points versus an average starter on defense. Hester is worth less than the average Hall of Famer, but that doesn’t mean he is outside the range of the Hall of Fame candidates. Those are the averages, which means half are below that. While I don’t like the he’s as good as [worst player in] argument, there are enough players who were similar in points added or prevented per game to say Hester is in the discussion on value alone at this point.
In contrast, Brian Mitchell, whom Prisco compares him to, and who had the return record before Hester, scored 13 touchdowns in 14 NFL seasons. His return points added over added was barely over +0.2 accounting for league averages during his career. In terms of value, Hester versus Mitchell isn’t particularly close. Sure, Hester may hang on and have some bad seasons that pull his value down, but right now, he’s valuable enough.
Then you can look at his impact on his team. Players get credit for big plays in the postseason or important performances all the time. Hester may not be as valuable if he played for a team with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at quarterback, in terms of wins added. With the Bears, though, and the way they have played during his career, his returns have been a big factor. The Bears are 10-4 in games Hester scores a return touchdown, and 43-32 in games he does not. While some have come in blowouts, a fair number have been decisive. Hester touchdowns account for the difference in 6 wins over the last 5.5 years, including such memorable games as the “Bears are who we thought they were” game, a two-touchdown game in Denver that beat Cutler 37-34, last year’s game against the Packers, and against the Panthers this year. Three others would have been close games decided by less than 3 points without a Hester return. That’s a fairly large impact, on par with the average wins added for an average Hall of Famer.
I know that return men don’t normally make the Hall of Fame. They also normally don’t have as much impact as Hester. Is he a Hall of Famer based on value? I think he is, in a vacuum, and it will eventually happen depending on the ballot. That doesn’t mean I would take him over Willie Roaf or Tom Brady or Ray Lewis. I wouldn’t have thought so before the last two seasons, but I now think Hester merits Hall of Fame consideration, regardless of how you view the value of the position normally.
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November 15th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Devin Hester more HOF worthy than Joe Namath and Lynn Swann
November 15th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
Because when I want to go read hard hitting, thought provoking, and jarring NFL analysis, I go to Pete Prisco. That guy hates everybody.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
he’s the best ever at what he does, in an era of all kinds of improvements from past eras….athletes, coaching, video analysis
the best ever at what someone does deserves HOF. period. plus, like the author typed, it’s not the HOV, it’s HOFame. what hester does best is one of the most exciting plays in football. 1/12th of the game? my ass
field position improvement and possible touchdown, not to mention affecting game-planning
November 15th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Eh. I don’t think so. Not with the way the HOF works and the backlog of deserving candidates who play the entire game. In a weak year, maybe.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
/stands up
//climbs on top of chair
///gets on top of desk
////applauds
November 15th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
But a LG is MORE than 1/12 of the game? This seems silly to me.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
No, that sounds about right in terms of total number of plays a game, offense and defense are still what the game is about
If he was worth even half a shit as a wide receiver I’d support his cause more but he’s so bad…and if the best punters/kickers don’t get in, why should a returner?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Good work, Lisk.
/This post needs a poll
November 15th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
You can set aside “for now” because there is no contribution, he’s a gimmick WR at best.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
I don’t think those guys are going to be the issue though. It’s going to be assessing Hester’s value against the likes of the glut of WRs that are going to be eligible in the coming years.
If anything the Hall should reserve a slot purely devoted to SP players. You don’t have to induct one every year…but players like Ray Guy and Brian Mitchell deserve a spot imo.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
If they let fucking Lynn Swann in…
November 15th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
hester HOF? no.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
My thoughts exactly. I need to get a gig like that.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
How did he come up with this 1/12th number?
Here’s the thing I think about when it comes to Hester and the Hall of Fame – do teams have to plan games around Devin Hester? Yes. I would wager a guess that there are many guys already in the Hall that don’t fit this criteria.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Vezina makes a great point. Hester is proving to be the best ever at what he does. How many players at any position can say the same?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I’d support Hester’s inclusion much more than someone like Adam Vinatieri, who has never really been one of the league’s top kickers, but made a few “clutch” kicks. Vomit.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
So, according to Mr. Prisco’s logic, there shouldn’t be any closers in the baseball hall of fame right? They only participate in 1/18 of the game and not even every game.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Somewhere there is a long snapper who perked up.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Best kick returner in the history of professional football. I’d vote him in but I don’t think it matters. The points added figure is an interesting way to look at it.
Regardless of whether he gets fitted for a jacket and has a bust made, he’s the best punt/kick returner of all-time even while having his impact hurt for two seasons as the Bears tried to make him (and mistakenly pay him like) a wide receiver.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
That’s how I look at it, but you know people are going to counter that with Ray Guy not getting into the HOF.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
But now that I got my SC trolling comment out of the way… If any return guy deserves it, it’s this one. I just don’t know if that’s enough. Punters and kickers have a hard enough time getting into the HOF, so what makes a return guy that much more of a lock, or more worthy? I really think he needs to bring something else to the table contribution-wise to really merit getting in there, personally.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
So vote in Shane Lechler, also.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Don’t his overall accuracy numbers put him in the top couple kickers the past 10-15 years? Am I off on that?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
/pours one out for Ray Guy and Steve Tasker
November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
PSU Scandal as told by a Taiwanese Animated News Bit
November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
yep, he is a waste of space at WR, no doubt. i don’t et the kicker/punter analogy tho, butters. i know they change field position and score as well, but it’s not my fucking problem that they’re not in the HOF (blanda, stenerud, guy). that has nothing to do with hester, unless voters actually factor that in. if they do, it’s a lost cause and only good for commenting sections and i win
November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Let’s clarify something…HoF now? Or HoF with another good 5+ year run?
If he gets to 30+ special teams TDs…I don’t know how you keep him out.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
You are. Technically, Mike Vanderjagt is a more accurate kicker.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Nevermind… Vinatieri: 10th in active kicker FG%, 5th for kickers who have been in the league 10 years.
/the more you know
//rainbows
November 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
He’s a slot wide receiver that the Bears tried to cast as a #1 for a year. He’s not “so bad” at all. His hands are half-way decent, he can burn people over the top but if you want him to run anything but a go route or a simple square in you’ve got some issues.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
best ever left handed setup pitcher deserves HOF?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Every team has special teams meetings where the returner is scouted and planned for, what the hell is this?
Ha, wasn’t Jason Elam just as good if not better across the board? Dude’s got rings too yet you never hear him brought up
November 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Lisk, you mention the number of TD’s in overall seasons but did you look up how many total punts Hester and Mitchell have returned? I haven’t looked it up, but I’d be more curious as to that number of just saying x amount of returns over x amount of seasons. Just curious.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
The 2nd to last paragraph on the post.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
I hate the process for voting people into the Hall of Fame. No one has come up with a great method yet for determining the value of a player at any given position.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I wonder if Jered Weaver looks at the Cy Young voting and says to himself “I am soooo good. WHy is there someone always so much better.”
November 15th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Hence, “Bad NFL receiver”
November 15th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Matt Stairs likes where this discussion is headed.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Well, it’s somewhat fluid. For instance, the TE and safety position are a lot more impactful in today’s game than in other eras. And fullbacks are practically extinct. Not that there’s ever been a backlog of fullbacks waiting for enshrinement.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
well it’d be a lot easier to come up with a method if a certain segment of the population reviled at statistics like they just walked in on their grandparents fucking.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Good times
November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
The year that the Bears went to the Super Bowl, Hester won them 3 games by himself. That’s was the difference between home field and the #1 NFC seed and playing a first round road game.
Last season, Hester was the difference between division title and wildcard. Without his return against Green Bay in week 3, the Bears are barely garnering a wildcard berth.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
i tell you what, hester’s HOF speech woud be worth the induction
/some say we country but we’s only southern
November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Right, I’m sure the Packers spend more than 30 minutes discussing their game plan for the Vikings punt returner.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
No, they don’t. It’s an easy “plan”…
Coach to punter: Kick it to the corner or out of bounds
Punter: Yes coach
November 15th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Hester is in with that same group as Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Morten Andersen or Dante Hall — great special team players who won’t get into the HOF because it values certain stats and positions higher than others.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
You know who else says no? Anyone with just a little football knowledge…
November 15th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
It will be an emotional scene if the last man still active who played in the Negro Leagues, Arthur Rhodes, would get inducted in Cooperstown
November 15th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
It would be hard to sweep him in the Hall if he blew out his knees tomorrow, but Hester keeps up this production (or even close to it) for another five years, he’ll have the equivalent of Jerry Rice numbers in the punt/kick return category. What other six-year NFL vets playing now would even stir this discussion without regard to future production? Hester’s not in yet, but one day he’ll be hard to keep out.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Hester’s career: 30 ypg rec., 29.4 PR ypg, 37 KR ypg (estimates on both)
If you keep in mind that every 10 yards above replacement is basically a free first down, does that change the case?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
So Hester earns bonus points because the Bears’ offense is shitty and can’t score so his points mean more? Got it.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
best ever left handed setup pitcher deserves HOF?
different sport’s got its own fucked up voters champ
November 15th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
Terrell Davis?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
now if Hester had a 4-5 1000 yard receiving seasons on top of what he does as a pr/kr I’d say fuck yeah but no he isnt..
November 15th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Yes.
I don’t think you do.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Can we remove players and actually just come up with a determination how important special teams is? Does a top 3 vs. league average punter make a bigger difference than a top 3 vs league average guard?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
The fact that Jose Valverde got 2nd place votes and was 5th overall in Cy Young voting is beyond amazing.
/BBWAA needs to become more transparent now
November 15th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Gross, dude.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
/fixed
//pours one out for Pey-Pey
November 15th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
You know who else says no? Anyone with just a little football knowledge…
So Peter King?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
If Hester ever gets in, it’s going to be 25 years from now when we are all planning to send our kids to college. I doubt we will have the same strong opinions when the time comes.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Hence, “Bad NFL receiver”
if you;re bear-fan baiting butters you better improve, because you won’t find one who thinks hester is a good wr. bears got caught fearing he’d get away, so they paid #1 wr money because no one knew what a KR/PR with his impact was worth
November 15th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
I don’t understand why adding his WR stats make a big difference if he’s a mediocre WR. Would you elevate Troy Brown’s case much because he was an above-average WR for a while, plus he played some CB?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
WITH football knowledge…WITH..not without
November 15th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
This cannot be discounted. There are some teams out there smart enough to not kick to him.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
so before Hester, I guess the “greatest” returner of all time was who, Donte Hall? I don’t think ever has the name Donte Hall and H.O.F. been used in the same sentence, so why all of the sudden after Hester breaks his record are we talking H.O.F.?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Coach to punter: Kick it to the corner or out of bounds
Punter: Yes coach
silly, how’s that plan working out?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Fuck that. They are a fucking joke, ever since the NY writer who voted for Rick Helling one year for MVP, didn’t vote for Pedro and it cost him the MVP in the greatest pitching season of the past 25 years.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
How in the hell could I begin to know the exact agenda that takes place during a special teams meeting? You’re suggesting that he’s affecting gameplanning that no one else receives which seems like quite the presumption…how long can it take to decide if they’re going with directional punting and if so, which direction?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
No one actually thought that, right?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Hester is a bad wr…out of this world kick returner, who, if your coach is smart can easily be eliminated from the game plan…if he was a threat as a WR he’d be a hall of famer…
November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
eric metcalf.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
You know who else says no? Anyone with just a little football knowledge…
do you know anyone like that?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
With a little. PK has a little football knowledge just not a lot. That’s what he meant… that people who know little about football all say no to Hester without thinking about the case.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Well if we’re talking about the Packers, I assume it takes a good 3 hours because the first two are spent figuring out how the compass works.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Donte Hall really good for only 2 years? Seemed like a flash in the pan for me.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
If he played above average CB for 4-5 years, then yes.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Get face fucked, Butters.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
1. Dante Hall is not #2
2. He had a 2-3 year run, and then his career was over.
3. There has never been anyone like Hester, that’s the point.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Well if we’re talking about the Packers, I assume it takes a good 3 hours because the first two are spent figuring out how the compass works.
9-0. MVP. Super Bowl Champion, yada, yada, yada, compass, compass, rabble rabble.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Go on…
/coop
November 15th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Don’t forget about the 30 minutes they spend finishing off the summer sausage and cheese platter.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
If between the returns, and the out-of-bounds punts, Hester’s teams gain 7 yards per possession, that makes a huge difference over the course of a game. Someone would have to do the math to see just how big a deal that is…
November 15th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
so before Hester, I guess the “greatest” returner of all time was who, Donte Hall?
Gizmo Williams.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
He also is the all-time leader in return yards in franchise history.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Do we have this conversation about who has hit the most pinch-hit homers of all time?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Can we remove players and actually just come up with a determination how important special teams is?
Ask Boise State how important special teams is.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
A Bill Bates reference? Awesome.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
but Hester keeps up this production (or even close to it) for another five years,
he’s already got the record, more TDs would cement the induction but five years? no way, maybe two or three
November 15th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
You can’t just kick it out of bounds each time, that would make him even more valuable to the team with all the sacrificed field position…hell, the Packers’ road to the Super Bowl involved two games where Tim Mastay was giving him the ball in the middle of the field on some kicks, it can be done
November 15th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Well that’s up to the punter. If he executes then it works great, if he doesn’t then there’s the risk of a return. But overall, Hester has returned 12 TD’s on 193 total punt returns. That’s 6% of his total return opportunities.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
so is hester and hester had to beat out gale sayers for that.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
I was just throwing Donte Hall out there because it was the first person to come to mind. 096 said Metcalf. regardless of who it is, has there ever been a returner even mentioned for H.O.F. is what I am getting at.
the whole question just seems pretty jump to conclussiony, or as I like to call it, TBL’ish to me.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
Tamarick Vanover > Dante Hall
November 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Only Gayle Sayers is higher at 6.41% and it came in a smaller sample size.
I don’t care if Dev gets in. I do care about him running 2 back up in Lambeau during the 2012 NFC Title Game and then mooning the fans so that when all 90,000 of those fat fucks walk out of their shoddy cathedral, the memory of Hester’s naked ass and the singular one in the loss column is all they think about until August.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
May I present to you Billy “White Shoes” Johnson?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Legend.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
gonzo that’s not helpful
November 15th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Not that I am aware of. The point is, he is already the best of all-time, and he is 6 seasons into his career. The game done changed.
/ look, man, I’ve got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I… this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it’s not just, it might not be just such a simple… uh, you know?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
He had to specify, because bears fans are used to seeing multiple ‘ones’ in the loss column at the end of the year.
/see
November 15th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Very, and look how many comments it brought out as well. We could use more of these posts and less PSU-type posts for sure.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
/ look, man, I’ve got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I… this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it’s not just, it might not be just such a simple… uh, you know?
labor of love right there. could not have been easy to type
November 15th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
Packer special teams have made a huge improvement over last season so I’d be surprised with that development…remember the Bears so feared the punt coverage in September that they had to resort to trickeration which sadly for them required a hold to be successful
November 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
That’s a mighty fine apple you got there, let’s put it on the kitchen table next to this orange.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
How about a Joe Thornton: Maybe a HoFer but Not in the Hall of Clutchness post?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Lisk… is there a way to quantify the marginal advantage of having a top punter over an average punter? I feel like that question needs to be answered before anything else (I would just treat Hester’s case as the inverse of a punter… look at total field position effect / yardage created).
November 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
I wish this converstation would be towards how much of a troll Pete Prisco is, or the whole lineup of CBSsports.com. Prisco, Mike Freeman, and Gregg Doyell. Woof.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
How about a Joe Thornton: Maybe a HoFer but Not in the Hall of Clutchness post?
You going to provide a measure of clutchness?
/he’s a surefire HOFer
November 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
On a per return basis Hester’s stats are very similar to Billy “White Shoes” Johnson’s at the same point in their careers.
Perhaps we’re valuing the touchdown total too highly? I’m a dork, but I’d like to know from Lisk how much more valuable a sixty yard TD return and two zero yard returns are as compared to three 20 yard returns?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Your season ends in Dallas, New Orleans or New York in the wildcard. Next question.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Actually, I can’t poop on the Sharks right now. 7-2-1 in their last 10. You going to the tank next Wednesday for the CHI-SJ tilt, BB?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I don’t see what that has to do with anything. I was just chiming in for Troy Brown’s full résumé. Because Troy Brown is the fucking man.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Bring on Elisha and Little Baby Blue.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Agreed…unless we’re talking on our ideas of how we want Sandusky to die.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
109 SCP games played, 5 GWG. Zero Finals appearances. Stole a Hart trophy too. Fuck that guy.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
the eye test has yet to fail me.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
The same G-men that nearly ended Cutler’s life last year with nine sacks?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
CLUTCH GENE!!!!!
/Skip Bayless’d
November 15th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
109 SCP games played, 5 GWG
Regular season: 50 GWG / 1010 games = 5.0%
Playoffs: 7 GWG / 109 games = 6.4%
November 15th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Yessir, I will be there. It’s my friend’s birthday on the 25th so we’ll be nice and liquored up for that one. Coincidentally, they played the Hawks last year around his b-day too, but that was a shitty 5-2 loss. Hoping for a win this year!
November 15th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
I could go all day with that. My new suggestion is for him to fall into a bug pit, and have all of his limbs and head swallowed slowly. Like that dude in King Kong.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
I’ve seen some of your outfits. I’d say your eyes have failed you miserably.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
That falls on the team too. If he’s a goalie, he can stand on his head and steal a series on his own. But since he’s not, he can run into that type of goalkeeping performance and be knocked out.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Fashion burn!
November 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy4UZbtxxkY
November 15th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
what!? you have?
November 15th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Devin Hester more HOF worthy than Joe Namath and Lynn Swann
I noticed you didn’t say “more worthy than Archie Manning.” Just noticing.
November 15th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
You’re awesome Geezeus
November 15th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
well if I don’t think Namath should be in, it can be assumed I think lowly of Archie.
/sorry
November 15th, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Has anyone mentioned that Joe Namath and Lynn Swann don’t belong?
But seriously, when the choices are betweeen letting the 19th Steeler of the 70s in or Ray Guy, I’m going with Ray Guy.
/no offense to Steelers
//but you have enough
November 15th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
Archie Manning is Terrell Davis, if Terrell Davis had about 12 shitty years to sandwich his three superstar seasons around.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
I’m starting a Hall of Fame campaign for Guido Merkins. Just because I want to see the word “merkin” enshrined in a hall of fame somewhere.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
But seriously, when the choices are betweeen letting the 19th Steeler of the 70s in or Ray Guy, I’m going with Ray Guy
go to the head of the line for your HOF voting card
November 15th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
I’ll be a tad peeved if Dermontti Dawson doesn’t get in soon.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Archie Manning is Terrell Davis, if Terrell Davis had about 12 shitty years to sandwich his three superstar seasons around
1978-80. Archie was great, even if the INTs and the 1-15 mark in ’80 don’t reflect it.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Archie Manning is hall worthy for having Hall of Fame splooge.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Agreed, definitely a deserving HOFer
November 15th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Willie Roaf, being HOF-cockblocked despite 11 Pro Bowls because he didn’t play in a major media market.
Everyone will scoff, but to this day I contend that if Lawrence Taylor had played in N.O. and Ricky Jackson had played in NY, Jackson would have been a first-ballot HOFer and Taylor would have had to wait 15 years to get in.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Archie Manning is hall worthy for having Hall of Fame splooge
Mrs. Manning agrees.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Miz, speaking of fashion, the only nice thing I can say about Tenn after last saturday’s game was those orange pants, both the players, but especially Dooley’s. those things were awesome.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
He wasn’t first ballot, but he’s going in soon.
I do not scoff at this
/LT “revolutionized” the position
//yeah, like no LB had ever blitzed from a down lineman spot before him
///Rickey came out the same year as LT
////overshadowed by Hugh Green in college, overshadowed by LT in the NFL
November 15th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
Why is Terrell Davis always the basis for short careers keeping you out? Sterling Sharpe was streets ahead of him as a player
/Biased on two fronts
November 15th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Bill Bates – wedge breaker
November 15th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Bill Bates – wedge breaker
and clean cut man of God
November 15th, 2011 at 8:49 PM
Asshats like Prisco are why guys like Tasker and Ray Guy haven’t even made finalist lists, yet.
November 15th, 2011 at 9:33 PM
Prisco is a weird dude who is clueless. Hester goes in the Hall when he’s done, despite the garbage flowing out of Petey’s mouth.