Breaking Down the Reggie Bush vs. Pizza Trade
So, of course the first reaction to the Reggie Bush vs. a $10 Pizza deal that has been running for the last month is that the dude trading the pizza totally got robbed. The second reaction? Why did the other guy have Reggie Bush in the first place?
But after taking a moment to ponder it, and after staying up all night suffering from insomnia, I decided to give it a closer look. Let’s be honest here. You may mock Reggie Bush, but let he who has not scrambled to pick up someone named Seyi Ajirotutu cast the first pizza stone. Also, Reggie Bush has just followed up his 2nd career 100 yard rushing day with another performance with over 100 yards from scrimmage, plus an actual NFL touchdown. Maybe that pizza peddler was crazy like a fox.
Let’s talk fantasy football, replacement level, win expectancy, and cross-reference it with a little VORP (value over replacement pizza). Is it possible that Reggie Bush is worth a $10 pizza? I guess it depends on your league size, number of starters, and just how much you threw into that pot without your wife knowing about it, and thus what your winning share might be.
I went through my 12-team league that allows up to 3 running backs with flexes, and plugged in Reggie Bush’s weekly performance to get an approximation for the win expectancy with Reggie Bush in your starting lineup each week. Reggie Bush is currently 26th in that league in points for running backs, so it’s not like he wouldn’t be a starting option or on rosters. With his points plugged in each potential RB/Flex spot in place of whoever that owner used, I calculated how often the outcome would have changed by either Bush improving the outcome to a win, or changing it to a loss with his presence.
That is 288 total spots (8 weeks/12 teams/3 spots). Reggie Bush would have improved 12 cases to wins, and would have resulted in 15 losses with those substitution. The most extreme case was my team with Fred Jackson, where replacing him with Bush would have resulted in 3 fewer wins. The overall win expectancy with Bush versus a random starting RB or flex: -0.01. Basically average. This is a testament to how much fantasy football is decided by the big performances. There were very few cases where, even when he did nothing, he cost teams wins because the score wasn’t close enough anyway. He rarely made a difference in wins either, and most of that was last week’s game.
Of course, just because he is basically average compared to the entire population of other potential starters, doesn’t mean he has negative value. We want to compare him to what a replacement level starter that is freely available would do. I settled on Javon Ringer to represent “replacement level” in this league. Ringer is 48th in points and has never been the clear starter for any week this season. Starting Ringer is not ideal. If you had plugged in Ringer to every RB or flex starter, the win expectancy is -.07, because again it was rare for his dropoff to matter. Reggie Bush is +0.06 in win expectancy versus our replacement starter. For a 13 game regular season, a team that starts Reggie Bush should expect to get about 0.8 more wins than if they had Javon Ringer (and Ringer served as a backup getting some touches for every game).
So let’s talk about Pizza. Pizza can rank in value from the top end high quality local stuff to the stuff with square imitation pepperonis that passes for food at school cafeterias. Those delicious Chicago-style Deep Dishes? They may have negative future life expectancy value, but they have excellent present value. I’m a big fan of a good thin crust Hawaiian pizza and would easily value it over $20. If we are talking chains, while Papa John’s may not stand alone on the pizza merits, getting that garlic sauce is like getting the key throw-in on a fantasy trade; it adds value. Pizza Hut wants to say $10, I guess, we’ll go with that, but they are like getting Reggie Bush instead of Fred Jackson in the 8th round for the same money.
So in what scenario is Reggie worth a $10 pizza? Your league would have to be worth a lot of money. Then, having one of several players with a +0.06 win expectancy over replacement value, to go with stars, would have some value. It probably takes about 8.5 wins to get to the playoffs if your league has 4 playoff teams. An entirely replacement level team would barely ever win, so Bush would be worth about 10% of your win expectancy. Then we would have to discuss things like marginal value and how much more guys who account for about 30% are worth, but we’ve spent too much time here.
If you are in a friendly league where the winner clears less than $100, you might consider swapping out for the temporary enjoyment of some Totino’s pizza rolls. If the first prize was as large as $500, and you knew you had a 25% chance, then Bush might be worth a $10 pizza. If you played in a really high stakes league of over $1,000, then acquiring Bush for a high end gourmet pizza may be an even trade.
Of course, if you are paying that much to play in a league, the question still remains:
Why did you draft Reggie Bush instead of Fred Jackson in the first place. Jackson is worth a whole pizza party.
[photo via Getty]

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November 9th, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Well played, Lisk
November 9th, 2011 at 7:07 PM
the pepperoncinis are worth .4 wins as well
November 9th, 2011 at 7:08 PM
The Big Lisk > The Big Paterno
Thanks for this, I laughed. Paul Newman’s frozen pizza is the way to go.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:11 PM
My favorite post of the week. Well done, Jason.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:13 PM
Bravo Lisk.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Please tell me someone remembers the old Denny’s commercials when Sammy Sosa said “I was traded for Wade Boggs, and a side of Rice Pilaf!” Man, my Sosa impression KILLED at the middle school lunch table.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Since we are going to get another 8 – 10 Penn St. posts tomorrow, FSV ought to let Lisk write one.
If we are talking chains, while Papa John’s may not stand alone on the pizza merits, getting that garlic sauce is like getting the key throw-in on a fantasy trade; it adds value.
This is where I have to disagree. If a condiment is needed to enjoy a pizza, then that pizza probably isn’t worth eating. The one exeption would be Pyramid Pizza in Lawrence. It comes with honey for some reason that I have never wrapped my mind around since I showed up in the Lawrence 18 years ago. Fantastic pizza. The honey is not needed.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:20 PM
We are 12-team/$200 per person…looking to clear 2 grand with a win.
[scans RB depth chart]
McFadden, Mathews, Hillis
[trades for new medical staff]
November 9th, 2011 at 7:21 PM
Flat out AWESOME!
November 9th, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Good God…those shirts that Hernia just tweeted are tasteless.
/not endorsed by TSH
November 9th, 2011 at 7:24 PM
We are 12-team/$200 per person…looking to clear 2 grand with a win.
Oh, memories of having a discretionary income prior to marriage and a kid. My wife bitches about my $40 entry fee. She mostly bitches because when I place, I only put $40 back in the account. She thinks she should get half. Foolish woman. I put forth all the effort.
/drinking bourbon and/or fucking around at work while messing with my team.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:24 PM
I’m happy that the best dude here is a fellow Chiefs fan.
Great post, Mr. Lisk.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:26 PM
I will offer you the Phoenix Suns medical staff(HGH included) for an order of crazy bread.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:26 PM
It’s soooooooo reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:27 PM
I dont know, I am on Team Ranch on pizza regardless of quality (in most cases). Maybe blasphemous, but that’s my stance.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Nice post Lisk, this was great.
Drafted Fred Jackson in the 11th round
/pats self on back
November 9th, 2011 at 7:29 PM
It’s soooooooo reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal.
Holy Shit — well worth it.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NOtoeI55ls
November 9th, 2011 at 7:29 PM
Gross
/Team Cracked Red Peppers and Parmesan&Romano(That powder shit)
November 9th, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Support for my statement this morning about colleges being required to report crimes on campus
With the feds looking into Penn State, that entire school is royally screwed.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Reggie is to football as Little Caesars is to pizza
November 9th, 2011 at 7:31 PM
/Team Cracked Red Peppers and Parmesan&Romano(That powder shit)
Oh yeah, I’m on this team too.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:32 PM
DEATH PENALTY.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:33 PM
I want Hermain Cain to openly hit on Bachmann tonight and embrace his Mysoginist image.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:33 PM
I dont know, I am on Team Ranch on pizza regardless of quality (in most cases). Maybe blasphemous, but that’s my stance. King Grizz
I soften my stance on leftover pizza. A bit of ranch with some Cholula after I reheat it in the oven is good hangover/late night food. I meant first serving pizza. And, the no condiment on first run pizza is just a personal thing. I live in the midwest. People used condiments for any food. Disturbing to me, but not a judgement call. Unless I see A-1 on a steak. Now that’s a judgement call on my part.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:36 PM
I want Hermain Cain to openly hit on Bachmann tonight and embrace his Mysoginist image. King Grizz
Ha. When they all shake hands after the debate it’d be awesome if he pinched her ass and then yelled, “Yeah! I fucked all them bitches. They just jealous and broke now!”
November 9th, 2011 at 7:36 PM
Unless I see A-1 on a steak. Now that’s a judgement call on my part.
If you put A-1 on a good steak, I will make fun of you.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Similar to Arian Foster last year, he was a guy that I really hadn’t heard of before, got a lot of buzz when it came to fantasy, and figure I’d try him out for a late-round pick…worked out quite nicely.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:37 PM
I would trade Reggie Bush for a hot dog. The hot dog would spend less time on IR and also less time lost in Kardashian’s hallway.
/ Recent convertee to Team Sproles
November 9th, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Love this stuff. Sometimes put it on the crust. Especially if it’s sub par crust.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Indeed it is. Tobasco on Pizza is also delightful if you dont want to be all mexicany
November 9th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
I have only experience Cholula on Qdoba burritos — its kinda like the Chipolte tabasco sauce Ive only eaten on Chipole burritos.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
As will I, there is NO good reason to ruin a good steak like that.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
Many people would. But then the last time we had a steak discussion, I remember a group here that had a whole “I’m above this making fun of what others eat” thing, and was a buzz kill.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:41 PM
Cholula is good but it is certainly marked up. Go to any food city or carneceria and you can get a big bottle of Saborico or some other brand for a quarter of the price.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:41 PM
Exactly. I wasn’t thrilled about him at all, playing in Buffalo, and even missed out on his production the first couple weeks because I didn’t know if it was legit or a fluke. Since then, he’s been locked into my starting line-up every week.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:41 PM
This has to be like the 20th time this subject has been discussed.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:42 PM
I’m not sure we can be internet friends anymore, Lisk.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Crazy people put Lea Perrins on steak.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Many people would. But then the last time we had a steak discussion, I remember a group here that had a whole “I’m above this making fun of what others eat” thing, and was a buzz kill.
Yeah I remember that — this reminds me of a time I was out to a group dinner and sitting next to a girl who I have never met. We were at this place that had a shitload of beers, I’m talking 200 minimum. Beers even the biggest beer snob would have never heard of. This girl orders a Blue Moon. A Blue Moon!? Ugh that pissed me off.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
I bet you put Ketchup on yours hillbilly.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Anyone that goes to Yardhouse and orders beer you can get at any grocery store deserves a slap.
/Ill take a Chimay.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
I have seen many hills in the desert.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
And it will always get discussed as long as there are people that continue to do it. Besides, it wouldn’t be first recycled topic around these parts.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Well…if you’re ordering beers that you can’t easily find I’m going to bet you’re not at a Yardhouse.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:48 PM
I would have to echo this sentiment. I went to some Belgian restaurant in DC for work and they had a book of beers available. I went straight to the “strong” section and ordered some 12% beer. It tasted really good, and gave me a nice buzz from only one glass.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:51 PM
This looks like the craziest music festival in the world. Every girl is hot and I’m sure there are alot of drugs going on. Who wants to go to Belgium?
November 9th, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Can you be funny with shorter posts? This was the longest joke ever…I was almost alseep waiting for the punchline
November 9th, 2011 at 7:51 PM
November 9th, 2011 at 7:52 PM
Jesus, link fail all around — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7CdTAiaLes
November 9th, 2011 at 7:52 PM
If you put A-1 on a good steak, I will make fun of you.
As will I, there is NO good reason to ruin a good steak like that.
This has to be like the 20th time this subject has been discussed.
Still fewer than as many rehashed PSU posts over the past two days.
Many people would. But then the last time we had a steak discussion, I remember a group here that had a whole “I’m above this making fun of what others eat” thing, and was a buzz kill.
I remember this. It was this past spring where TBL said something about it being nice out and he was going to grill a steak and he was going to put A-1 on it and have a great evening (may have been an AM roundup thing.) He got lambasted and then had some supporters that like A-1 and then we all argued and hate and threats and then he put a new post up about the Jets and we moved on.
I really don’t give a shit what one eats or what one decides to ruin a steak with. But this is the internet and I need strife.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:54 PM
1) If you put A-1 on a steak you should be flogged and publicy humiliated. Also, people who order steaks well done are equally pathetic.
2) Fuck the fucking yardhouse and their stupid fucking rock ‘n roll concept. I’d rather light myself on fire than go back to that place.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Agree, however shitty steaks like a sirloin or a london broil it’s ok to use A1 in my opinion. But fuck no, never use A1 on a filet, strip, ribeye, porterhouse or t-bone.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Belgium has some of the hottest girls in Europe: fact.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Re: The Yardhouse. There is one near where I live. I guess it is an impressive beer selection, but like Old Chicago, there are only so many fucking beers I can drink in one sitting. Having a 101 beers on tap isn’t that big a deal. And it is expensive for the food. I don’t have any hate for it, but this is 2011. It isn’t that hard to find a nice selection of craft and foreign beers anymore.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:00 PM
Ive seen that video probably 4 times by now and I get pumped every time. That looks completely insane.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:00 PM
Stainer, I mean Spanier has submitted his letter of resignation.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:03 PM
Hopefully Perry comes out swinging like last time, that was pretty good TV when he called out Romney and Cain in a 10 minute span.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:04 PM
I have my seafood pasta bake done now. So…while this is making me hungry for steak, it will have to do.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:06 PM
Do you think Herman Cain gives out mustache rides?
November 9th, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Chief – I’ll be happy to trade you a steak for that pasta bake.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:08 PM
http://imgur.com/ax5fh
Does this answer your question?
November 9th, 2011 at 8:11 PM
I’ll only say that I think A-1 will add flavor to an otherwise not-so-flavorful steak.
If you get a good cut, a little garlic/salt/pepper mix is all you need, IMO.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:15 PM
Deal.
/This isn’t as great as I hoped
November 9th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
/craving a prime rib dinner
November 9th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
Dude it was a girl! I can understand being offended if it was a guy but a girl? Come on, everybody knows that women have terrible taste in alcohol. Half of them live on diet coke and vodka, what do you expect?
November 9th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
Dare I say it — Bachmann looks kinda frisky. She better watch out or Cain is gonna pull his patented “Grab head and forcefully push towards crotch move.” I caddied for Rick Santorum once, he was as big of a prick as you would imagine.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:22 PM
Dude it was a girl!
To set the scene, I wingmanned with a friend b/c the girl he was trying to get with was celebrating her bday with her female friends. There were probably 8 girls at the table and all ordered obscure beers.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:23 PM
I wouldnt kick bachmann, palin, or bristol palin out of bed unless they decided to start talking
November 9th, 2011 at 8:24 PM
What about Pelosi?
November 9th, 2011 at 8:24 PM
I’d hate fuck her.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:26 PM
St. johns got punched in the face early by Lehigh. I love college hoops. God’sgift Achiuwa has 12 points so far. It still amazes me that parents named their kid God’sgift
November 9th, 2011 at 8:26 PM
King grizz – as pelosi is now? I wouldn’t wish her upon anyone, even souvenircity
November 9th, 2011 at 8:30 PM
I stand corrected. Perhaps I just hang around too many dumb airheads who think Blue Moon is glorious. Stupid sub-25 years olds and their damn attractiveness. Is it too much to ask that one of you also have some taste?
November 9th, 2011 at 8:30 PM
bravo. this was fantastic.
but, it could have used more Paterno.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:32 PM
Pretty sure those ones already have a giant rock on their left ring finger.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:32 PM
paterNO olives please
November 9th, 2011 at 8:37 PM
The moral of the story is that my friend ended up failing miserably with the birthday girl and I put in hard work with the Blue Moon orderer and it turned out her BF was coming to visit the following day. Always a great thing to hear when the lights come on b/c the bar was closing.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Amazon.com review of Jerry Sanduskys book from 2005:
Whe you finish this book you wish it was longer. Like a good movie you do not want it to end. It describes a man who has done some great things to help others. How many college football coaches would turn down 3 head coaching opportunities at big-time schools to stay in “Happy Valley”. A couple who could not have their own children. Then adopted 6. Not all in infancy. A man who took in foster children and at the same time ran the defense for one of college football’s elite teams for 23 years. A kid who never grew up. Yet a person who is so selfless it defies human ego. Everyone reading this should do themselves a moral favor and contribute money to the Second Mile. (…).
Reading it now, 6 years later with what we know now, damn….
November 9th, 2011 at 8:40 PM
This Vietnam in HD series is legit.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:42 PM
I watched WWII in HD, was pretty amazing.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:45 PM
I enjoyed the WWII one as well, but so far this one is better, IMO.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Interesting, my experience has been that those girls are usually the ones with the little rocks on their left finger because some douchey insecure guy that knew he could never do better locked up that ass in college.
The ones with the big rocks look a lot like to ditzy girls I constantly come across except they got the new money makeover and now look like one of the housewives of orange county.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
Nationals catcher Wilson Ramos kidnapped in Venezuela
You think these ballplayers would figure a way to just live in the states year round
November 9th, 2011 at 9:24 PM
Hope this link works
http://books.google.com/books?id=du_UD6xDMaMC&pg=PT86&lpg=PT86&dq=groh+jerry+sandusky&source=bl&ots=5wLZ1HUr9D&sig=_5A6bWKjTTZvxLbERnGvpW3Y0lU&hl=en&ei=rzW7ToXdGqro0QH3hvmwCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=groh%20jerry%20sandusky&f=false
I was curious about UVA almost hiring Sandusky, who demurred because he wanted to spend more time with Second Mile.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
Nationals catcher Wilson Ramos kidnapped in Venezuela
You think these ballplayers would figure a way to just live in the states year round
try to imagine how far a million bucks goes in 3rd world countries. throw in some lax gun laws, and hispanic women and snowfalls of coke, and the US is just an ATM baby
November 9th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
Oh i get all that vez but youre also a huge target when you go back home
November 9th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
vez but youre also a huge target when you go back home
try to imagine how far a million bucks goes in 3rd world countries. throw in some lax gun laws, and hispanic women and snowfalls of coke, and the US is just an ATM baby
Should have armed his hispanic women
November 9th, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Well done.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:42 PM
PA, OH, MO? take your pick.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:47 PM
PA, OH, MO? take your pick.
Dude needs to learn the art of negotiating.
And WV.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:55 PM
youre also a huge target when you go back home
and just another schmo here
here’s a cuban who had a lot of trouble adjusting to the US and almost ended his career. cubans who defected couldn;t just go home to family and friends, thus homesickness was a real problem