Ranking the 2011 NFL Quarterbacks Eight Weeks Into the Season
Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated (a writer who I really like and who is generally thoughtful and fair) came out with his mid-season list ranking the 2011 quarterbacks. Of course, we all have opinions, and so I’ll provide mine. You then provide yours in the comments, telling me how wrong I am.To be consistent with Trotter, I am basing these on the 2011 season so far (with the exception of Carson Palmer, since we only saw him in late desperation action already down big). It’s not based on age, experience, and who I would want for next year or the next five years. It’s going to be more retrodictive, which means that while things like turnovers can be random and often not the quarterbacks fault, big plays like Rivers’ costly fumble do affect how the quarterback did perform. They just won’t necessarily continue. Here’s the list, with comments to follow:
- Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
- Tom Brady, New England
- Drew Brees, New Orleans
- Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
- Eli Manning, NY Giants
- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo
- Matt Schaub, Houston
- Michael Vick, Philadelphia
- Cam Newton, Carolina
- Matt Stafford, Detroit
- Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee
- Tony Romo, Dallas
- Alex Smith, San Francisco
- Jay Cutler, Chicago
- Matt Ryan, Atlanta
- Philip Rivers, San Diego
- Mark Sanchez, NY Jets
- Andy Dalton, Cincinnati
- Matt Cassel, Kansas City
- Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay
- Joe Flacco, Baltimore
- Colt McCoy, Cleveland
- Christian Ponder, Minnesota
- Sam Bradford, St. Louis
- Carson Palmer, Oakland
- Tarvaris Jackson, Seattle
- Kevin Kolb, Arizona
- Tim Tebow, Denver
- Curtis Painter, Indianapolis
- Blaine Gabbert, Jacksonville
- John Beck, Washington
- Matt Moore, Miami
Aaron Rodgers is the clear #1, but then I have Brady and Brees as the next two, pretty clearly above the rest for me. Trotter has Roethlisberger #2. This feels like a recency thing, based on Big Ben carving up the 32nd best pass defense in the league and Brady and Brees both playing perhaps their worst games of the year. I cannot forget the rest of the year, though. Fine, Brees has 10 interceptions. He also touches it a lot. His interception rate is 2.9%, which is exactly league average, and he’s well above average in everything else–high completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdowns, avoiding sacks. Accounting for the fact he has no fumbles, Brees is actually above average at avoiding turnovers. He’s been involved in 375 plays as a passer or runner (46.9 per game!). Big Ben has 11 turnovers in 329 plays, it just so happens that 4 of them are fumbles.I have Big Ben at the start of the next tier, along with Eli Manning, who is playing well with turnover at the skill positions. Fitzpatrick, Schaub, Vick, Newton and Stafford round out that tier for this season. Schaub has played well since the interception near the end of the Oakland game (and he wasn’t going to make it running, and he had to force it there with the clock expiring) without Andre Johnson. If Vick plays like this last Sunday, then he shoots up, but he had some costly turnovers and inconsistent play earlier. Cam Newton is higher on Trotter’s list, and would be in my top 5 if we are talking future value. I said he would be one of the five best rookie quarterbacks of the modern era, and I stand by that. He’s been amazing at times. He’s also made some costly errors and missed some red zone throws that could have swung games. Outside the top 5 but in the top 1o feels right if we are talking just this year, taking the good with the bad.
In the next tier, Hasselbeck is underrated for how he has played, considering how bad the running game has been, and that he has a very pedestrian group of receivers with Britt gone. He has also played a very difficult passing schedule and is doing better than the average quarterback once we account for opponent. Romo had the costly plays in the Detroit game and Jets game that bump him down, but also has dealt with a lot of injuries and an inexperienced line and made several good ones. Alex Smith, I cannot put higher, but he is playing well. He simply is not asked to do what many of the quarterbacks in front of him are, has a great running game and defense. Jay Cutler has played better than last year and better than his numbers. That line, and Roy Williams, and losing his tight end? A lot of quarterbacks would have crumbled there.
Matt Ryan has come on recently after a rough start behind a struggling line, Rivers would normally be in the top 6 to 8 but has had some costly errors. Sanchez has been too inconsistent, going long stretches without first downs, but also continues to show flashes. Dalton’s getting a little too much credit now, playing well for a rookie but shouldn’t be top 11. He threw 2 picks when leading in the 4th in the last game, which gets guys like Romo and Rivers crucified. They just people to confuse special teams and defensive touchdowns as being magically caused by the quarterback.
I want to put Josh Freeman higher, and I think he improves, but he’s been too hit or miss in games this year. Mike Williams disappearing hasn’t helped. Joe Flacco is the elite of the quarterbacks ranked in the 20′s.
I add Carson Palmer, not at the end, but in the “here’s where I would take a chance on Carson Palmer” tier, based on how he played last year, and with a layoff and a bye week now in Oakland to get practice time. Christian Ponder we’ve had too small of a sample size, and I’m giving Sam Bradford a bit of a pass for the Amendola injury, the bad supporting cast and his own injuries. He’ll get a chance to throw to Lloyd when he returns, and gets some better matchups.
Below the Palmer line, Kevin Kolb has to be the biggest disappointment. I didn’t expect him to light it up or be a pro bowler, but I thought he would fall more in the Matt Cassel range. He’s an upgrade over what they had last year, but that’s because the Arizona QB’s from 2010 would be #33 on this list. I actually don’t have Tebow last. He’s been brutal for stretches, but he also had that late charge against San Diego and the comeback at Miami. His receivers aren’t nearly as good as what Curtis Painter has in Indianapolis with Lloyd gone. Painter strikes me as a guy who will never get to 8 more starts after this season, ever.
Blaine Gabbert has been the worst by the numbers, but at least flashes some good throws. He has faced a really tough slate of pass defenses also, so he hasn’t gotten an opportunity against a weak defense and his “best” receiver is Jason Hill. John Beck is John Beck. I mean, he is a master at not scoring points, and I know his line is a wreck. I would still have Grossman more in the Tarvaris range on this list. Finally, Matt Moore isn’t so bad. He can get you a good pick. Just ask Carolina.
[photo via Getty]

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November 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Kevin Kolb > Tim Tebow
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Lisk, these lists are obviously always subjective, but I’m glad you provide the rationale for your rankings. It never really struck me that Stafford could be a top 10 QB in the league.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
This should be a fun comments section to read.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
How the fuck is Tim Tebow not last, by the way?
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 AM
I never thought I’d see the day Alex Smith was ahead of Philip Rivers in anything, other than Small Hands category.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Lisk: Had Henne been starting, where would he fall on this?
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Somewhere TBL is bitching that the Mexigod is below StaffDaddy.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
See, what’s most frustrating with Flacco is I’m about to give up on him, then he absolutely kills it in the 2nd half last week and looks like he’s got his shit together. But watch him throw two picks and fumble twice next week. God dammit, stop getting my hopes up.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
I’d argue Ben is #2, but he’s definitely been better than Drew. I’d say Bens bad day against the Ravens is little more excusable then Drews bad day against the freakin Rams.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Schaub has played well since the interception near the end of the Oakland game (and he wasn’t going to make it running, and he had to force it there with the clock expiring)
He definitely would have made it running. He might have gotten a concussion as a result, but he would’ve made it.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM
How the fuck is Tim Tebow not last, by the way?
Even though it devalues the list by not having him list, still:
This list > Tim Tebow
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Is Sam Bradford really that bad? Otherwise, sure. Just make sure you use the strikethrough coding for Rodgers next time. Think of the children, Lisk.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Beck is worse than Tebow?
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
I fucking hate indecisive people, took this lady an hour to decide which pair of shoes to by, of three pairs. How is that possible? How long does it take her to decide on something that’s actually important?
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Eh I meant ‘by not having him last’ in #9.
/bangs head on table
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Getting a pap smear > Tebow
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
#winnnnnnnnns
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
I thought I read somewhere that Mexigod was an elite, top-tier QB.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
She was weighing the merits of if the shoes would lead her to 2 conference championship games and their postseason success versus whether she needed something of value in the regular season.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
I laughed.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Getting a pap smear > Tebow
Licking a pap smear > Tebow
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
lol @ flacco
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Thank you for at least putting some effort and creativity into your TBL/Sanchez joke.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Simple: He’s not the worst.
5 career starts.
0 WRs.
0 RBs.
Painter has Garcon/Wayne.
Gabbert has MJD.
Moore as Marshall.
Tebow has … nobody.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
I’d still rather have Gabbert than Tebow.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
I think that’s a fair list, Lisk. I look forward to two months from now when Eli is 14th.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Tebow has … nobody.
He has Jesus. What are you trying to say?
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Ben stunk it up versus Houston, too.
Sanchez too high.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The top 15 seems much easier to do than the bottom 15, which seems weird. Not sure why.
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
I was really confused by Sanchez at 17 till I realized TBL didnt write this
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Fitzpatrick at #6????
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
I’d still rather have a flaming STD than Tebow.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
I’d put Schaub over Big Rape, Eli and Fitz right now. Just wait until he gets Johnson back.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Lisk – Where would you put the Sex Cannon on here? I know he’d be higher than 31 at least. Shanahan really needs to put him back in if he wants to at least win a few more games. Beck is just trying not to lose.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
toughest QBs? cutler, newton, ryan, stafford, vick
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
TBL’s Tebow apologizing > Tebow
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
You think that’s too high? The only guys I would consider putting ahead of him are Newton and Vick, but I think Lisk made the right choice.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
This list is based on this year, right? Eli is really above Fitz?
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
I would imagine his running ability has something to do with this. I’m too lazy to look it up, but I’m pretty sure Gabbert/Beck/Moore/Painter are nearly as terrible in the air and contribute nothing on the ground.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
T-Jack too high.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
considering how badly colt mccoy’s gotten his ass kicked this year, he belongs on that list.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
toughest QBs? cutler, newton, ryan, stafford, vick
Stafford? The guy is as fragile as a leg lamp.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
I would imagine his running ability has something to do with this. I’m too lazy to look it up, but I’m pretty sure Gabbert/Beck/Moore/Painter are nearly as terrible in the air and contribute nothing on the ground.
This is certainly a better argument than “Tebow has no one”.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Colt manages to protect his arm by never throwing more than 8 yards downfield.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Plus Roethliberger, minus Stafford.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
LEAVE HIM ALONE!
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
toughest QBs? cutler, newton, ryan, stafford, vick
HOMER ALERT: Rodgers got his ass beat down pretty good 2 years ago when he hadn’t quite figured out that he needed to get rid of the ball quicker and his O-Line was terrible.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Tebow has … nobody.
Cue to Tebow Tebowing and crying alone in the Philippines jungle with circumcision knife.
/Even the heathens don’t want him anymore
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Given the pretty crappy run game, and the loss of Steve Smith and Kevin Boss and the general shittiness of Mario Manningham… yeah, his performance has been pretty impressive so far.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
*3 years ago
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Have you seen Matt Moore’s work?
yikes.
At least Tebow will run around and make a play or two.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
I like that pic of Big Ben. Looks like he’s fondling an invisible boob.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Billy Buck has inspired me. If quarterbacks were shoes:
Big Ben – Red Wing Boots, probably untied
Mike Vick – PF Flyers
Joe Flacco – Velcro LA Lights
Drew Brees – Jesus Sandals
Eli Manning – Hospital slippers, probably two different colors
Matt Stafford – anything made by Kenneth Cole
Tom Brady – Boat shoes with laces that are too long
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
In a whole lot of ways, absolutely…3rd rated passer in the league right now with a YPA over a yard better than Fitzpatrick
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Tebow has played two games. Maybe we shouldn’t spend the whole thread arguing over his spot on the list.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM
I think Fitz at 10 is more accuarte. He started out hot last year, and then “Clemsoned.” His last 4 games:
4 @Cin 199 0 (TD) 0 (INT/Fumbles)
5 Phi 193 1 1 / 0
6 @NYG 244 2 2 / 1
7 BYE - - -
8 Wsh 262 2 1 / 1
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Damn, I didnt realize. We are really in for a shoot out this weekend, at least I hope.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I just keep thinking that glove matches his penis color. Gross.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Fitzpatrick sucks. At the end of the year, those arguing he should be top 5 will feel like idiots.
/print
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I do what I can.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Tebow has played two games. Maybe we shouldn’t spend the whole thread arguing over his spot on the list.
No kidding. It did take Jesus 3 days to rise from the dead, after all.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
he’d throw downfield more often if shurmur designed a route that went more than 8 yards…bengals fans should be well acquainted with this phenomenon after the past two years with bob bratkowski.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
@kazzy — He hasn’t completed LESS than 70% of his passes in his last three games, including two performances near 80%. Last two games YPA are 8.1 and 9.3.
And you’re using that as evidence he’s gotten worse?
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
as for stafford’s toughness, tough doesn’t mean what your body can take it means what you’ll play with/through
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I just keep thinking that glove matches his penis color.
I don’t understand how your dong can be a different color than the rest of your skin, unless you’re michael jackson or something.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Eli will sucker you into thinking he’s worse than he is since he looks and talks like Forrest Gump
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I find it hilarious that Nucky’s jealous and inferior brother on Boardwalk is named Eli.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 AM
He and Charlie Manuel would get along like peas and carrots.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Dude is obviously diseased
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
No shit. Stafford went back in with a separated shoulder to win the game. Sad Jay pouted on the bench like the bitch he is.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Cam Newton, best fantasy pickup ever. I drafted a couple QBs way late so I was weak at the position. So glad I picked up Cam.
/ I know you all care.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Not saying he sucks at all, but he checks down a lot, and his turnovers are increasing. I’d rather have the 4 dudes behind him, (Stafford, Vick, Newton, or Schaub).
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
I find it hilarious that Nucky’s jealous and inferior brother on Boardwalk is named Eli.
Wasn’t that the name of the whiny priest whose milkshake DDD drinks in There Will be Blood too?
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
And because his Novembers and Decembers are always awful and that’s what you remember as every season starts.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
“I love rankings”
- Graham Spanier
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
I’ll take the guy that played in 71.5 of 73 games over the last 5 years over the guy that played in 21 of 40 in the last 3, thanks.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Wasn’t that the name of the whiny priest whose milkshake DDD drinks in There Will be Blood too?
Yes, yes it was.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Actually, I should probably have gone with this video instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9E9J9hzNwo&feature=related
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
No shit. Stafford went back in with a separated shoulder to win the game. Sad Jay pouted on the bench like the bitch he is.
Is the Jeopardy question for this answer “What is something that happened once?”
/in regards two Stafford
//Cutler is always whiny
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
I wish Romo had a reasonable OL in front of him and smarter WRs. He would be arguably the best QB in the league.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Can’t get on youtube at work, but I’ll assume you upgraded to the hilarious bowling pin head bashing scene?
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
a real pair of Red Wings doesn’t have laces.
/spits
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
LOLOL
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
Can’t get on youtube at work, but I’ll assume you upgraded to the hilarious bowling pin head bashing scene?
Indeed I did.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 AM
The offensive line part wasn’t the only funny part to me.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
I wish Beck had a reasonable OL in front of him and smarter WRs. He would be arguably a top 25 QB in the league.
/Fixed for the Skins
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Are Witten and Austin considered not smart? I mean, Victor Cruz and Mario Manningham screw up more things during a typical game than I think any couple of WRs possibly could, and Eli is doing just fine. And his O-line hasn’t been very good, either.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Sad Jay pouted on the bench like the bitch he is.
ease up homeslice. cutler is tougher than stafford. the beatings he’s taken plus taking out jared allen on a reverse. i believe if he could have helped the bears on that knee last year he would have. he must have felt he woud be more harm than good
/only hole in that argument was hanie
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
It was so funny, i laughed out loud out louder
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 AM
He has morons playing WR. You can’t argue their physical talents, but Austin and Dez are almost too stupid to play football. Romo also spends about 98% of his 2011 snaps dodging defenders in his kitchen about 2 beats after the snap.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 AM
I’d still rather have Gabbert than Tebow.
I would too, long term. If this list is long term outlook Gabbert moves up.
Tebow would be last on throwing motion. It’s not like I said the guy has been good or anything. John Beck can’t run though, and he sucks. His teams don’t score when he QB’s. Tebow’s team averaging 3.9 per quarter he plays is positively explosive compared to Beck.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Dude:
http://youtu.be/vnvyZQoGjSo
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
SC – whats the issue with Kenneth Cole’s?
/team Cole Hahn
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
AWESOME.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Dude:
http://youtu.be/vnvyZQoGjSo
Small airplane trying to take off? No problem! We’ll just ram it with our fucking car!
That looked like something out of Traffic, only cooler.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Fitz has done pretty well the last few weeks considering how thin the Bills are at WR.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
you read “killing pablo” by mark bowden (same dude who wrote black hawk down)? really fucking intense. similar shit in there.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 AM
you read “killing pablo” by mark bowden (same dude who wrote black hawk down)? really fucking intense. similar shit in there.
I have indeed. The Colombian National Police have balls the size of watermelons.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 AM
holy shit what was that?
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 AM
you read “killing pablo” by mark bowden
I did what I remember is Pablo had naked prostitute tree climbing competitions.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Well obviously “Road Playoff Victories” weren’t a factor in the standings…
/probably already said
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Can’t believe I’m defending Cutler, but he takes a beating and is still standing. He might stand like a douchebag, and look like a douchebag, but he’s standing. If a defender looks at Stafford wrong he’s out for the year.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 AM
You’d hate me.
/bookmarks roadrunnersports.com
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:58 AM
TBL’s QB rankings:
1. Mark Sanchez
2-32. Some guys I’ve never heard of
God’s QB rankings:
1. Tebow
2-32. You are all damned
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 PM
I fucking hate indecisive people, took this lady an hour to decide which pair of shoes to by, of three pairs
Al Bundy, how the hell have you been, buddy! Haven’t seen you in ages.
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 PM
FITZMAGIC!!!!!!!!!
/pours one out for JPQ
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Waaaaaayyyy too high
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Anyone that thinks Stafford is tougher than Cutler based on coming back in for one play with an injured non throwing shoulder….is a fucking moron
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Damn you Lisk for posting this in the Morning here on the West Coast. I pretty much agree with this list though, so I guess my commenting would have been minimal.
Did TBL not add in his thoughts or ranks? I gotta believe having the Sanchize at 17 is burning him, below the likes of Tony Romo, Alex Smith and Matty “
checkdownIce” Ryan.November 3rd, 2011 at 1:35 PM
I think TBL would rather have Ryan or Romo on the Jets.
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:51 PM
You’d be incorrect.