When Mike Shanahan is No Better Than Jim Zorn, That’s a Problem
It will be interesting to see what history says about Mike Shanahan after his career is over. He has two Super Bowl rings with the Denver Broncos with teams that had John Elway, Shannon Sharpe, Terrell Davis, Gary Zimmerman and Rod Smith. Even after Elway retired, he turned teams with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer into productive offenses and routinely spit out huge rushing yards with numerous backs. I was afraid of the Shanahan offense, but in looking back, maybe that is because of Greg Robinson. Those cutback runs followed by the rollout bootleg passes were devastating.
On the other hand, there’s this: if he fails to do so this year (highly likely after the last two games), Mike Shanahan will have only won a division title in 3 of the 18 seasons in which he was head coach. That’s pretty abysmal for a coach that some may argue should get Hall of Fame consideration because of the titles, especially coaching half his career in a 4-team division era. For comparison, among current coaches with at least 8 seasons, Belichick and Reid have won a division nearly half the time, Tom Coughlin is 5 for 15, Norv Turner is 4 for 13, Lovie Smith is in his 8th season and has won as many as Shanahan, and guys like John Fox and Marvin Lewis have also won a division a higher percentage of time. You don’t want to be only ahead of Jack Del Rio (0 in 9 years) if you are supposed to be an elite coach.
Dan Steinberg also points this out: “The Skins are averaging 16.6 points per game, 26th in the NFL. In Zorn’s second season they averaged 16.6 points per game, 26th in the NFL.”
Ouch. In fairness to Mike Shanahan, Jim Zorn had a better quarterback. But in fairness to that fairness, Shanahan kind of picked the guys he has now, and the decision to go into a season with Rex Grossman and John Beck was what he wanted. He’s the one that put together the offense that just got shutout, a first ever for a Shanahan-coached team after 267 games.
Whether it is hubris, nepotism, or just a coach aging, Mike Shanahan has not been very good at picking the parts to run his offense lately. On NBC Sports Talk last night, Doug Farrar of Yahoo Sports and former Redskins return man Brian Mitchell said the game has passed Shanahan by. He’s 59, and we don’t know what effect all the natural sunlight leading to orange skin has done for the aging process. If his team misses the playoffs this season, it will be since 2005 that he last coached a playoff team.
Chris Cooley has come out and says the team needs to maintain consistency, which is what the fans have asked for in the past:
So you criticize Dan Snyder for trading coaches and players every year and trying to do things every year, and then you call and say this is what we’ve got to do? I hate it. What we’ve got to do is keep consistency over a period of time, and continue to try to build, trust me, under Mike Shanahan, who knows football and knows players.
Cooley has a point, and the team did a better job of not being the offseason signing champs this season, and has added some good players in the draft. The problem, though, is that older established coaches do not get a long time to get a program going, and that’s true whether the owner is Daniel Snyder or not. You don’t go five year plan with a coach who will turn 60 in year 3, and has just staked the franchise on two quarterbacks that should be backups. Dan Reeves went 14-2 in his second year in Atlanta. Bill Parcells made the playoffs in his 2nd year in both New England and New York, and in his first in Dallas. On the flip side, Mike Ditka went 6-10 in his second year in New Orleans at age 59, and was gone a year later. Chuck Knox went back to the Rams at age 60, and had three losing seasons and was gone.
Mike Shanahan may have been a great coach, but if his pride, involvement in personnel decisions despite many failures there, his insistence on his son as offensive coordinator, or his age prevent him from turning things around by this season, it’s likely not going to happen in Washington. Stability may actually be going a different, younger, direction, but with the same philosophy that the team employed this offseason in free agency.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Shanahan is an offensive genius
/spencer
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:44 PM
damn you watson
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:46 PM
No QB, no wins
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:49 PM
I always felt like Mike Shanahan would be your prototypical country club guy.
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Shanahan is an average run-of-the-mill head coach.
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 PM
You know how you hear people cite Parcells’ stats with and without Belichick as his DC… Gary Kubiak is much-maligned as a head coach, but what is Shanahan’s record with and without him as OC?
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:55 PM
I give him a pass for this year and maybe next. Look at how long it took the 49′ers once they started doing things the right way before they became relevant again? This team doesn’t have any great players on offense. A few good young defensive players, but after that?
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 PM
My mom went to high school with Mike Shanahan, but she didn’t date him. However, if she did, I totally could be the Redskins offensive coordinator right now!
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Answer: 114-62 with Kubiak, 40-46 without. Oh, just in case you think it was all Elway: Shanahan/Kubiak without Elway: 67-45.
/unless I miscalculated
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
/lights dickface signal
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
About 6 weeks?
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Look at how long it took the 49′ers once they started doing things the right way before they became relevant again?
About 6 weeks?
Yeah… pretty sure they had a coach who was dropping his pants at halftime to motivate his players a mere 10 NFL weeks or so ago.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 PM
there’s very few coaches out there who have walked into a situation and completely turned around the organization in as poor shape as the redskins during their entire tenure, let alone their second year, regardless of age.
and the ones that have done it, got some incredible luck along the way, which easily could have been a complete failure.
just like evaluating a draft, if a coach can last 3 years with a club, start evaluating what they’ve done since a majority of the players and coaches will be entirely on them.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 PM
It is dead around these parts today.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:09 PM
That would be a weird looking signal light
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:10 PM
It is dead around these parts today.
Needs more hockey post.
/dodges tumbleweed
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:10 PM
I think a case can be made for Mike Holmgren to be a Hall of Famer since he did this twice
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM
That would be a weird looking signal light
Is this signal circumcised?
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:13 PM
bends slightly to the left
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:14 PM
I never tire of the list of Redskin starting QBs over last 10-15 years. Hysterical.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:17 PM
First of all, Tom Coughlin is 65 years old and the game doesn’t seem to have passed him, Doug Farrar. He just happens to have Eli Manning. Sure, Shanahan decided to go into 2011 with Rex Grossman and John Beck… but what were his alternatives?
I can’t make an argument that he’s an elite coach, but I can’t make one that he’s a run of the mill coach either. He took over a team with a ton of aging offensive parts. Chris Cooley isn’t what he once was and probably won’t be a Skin next year. Tim Hightower is about as run of a mill back as you can get. Oh, Santana Moss is still the top threat in DC? And the already mentioned QB situation.
He’s coached 24 games as the Redskins head coach. I don’t think he’ll turn it around by the end of next season unless he gets a quarterback or builds another offensive line like he had in Denver. Still don’t think 3 years in DC should make him an average coach. Especially when only 3 division wins in 18 years has led him to making the postseason at just under a 50% clip. Packers won the Super Bowl as a wildcard. Make the tournament and you’ve got a shot.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 PM
I liked when Fave was still in GB when they’d show the starting QBs there and for the Bears since 1992…sadly for them and Washington Shane Matthews appears on both lists
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
+1 black leather jacket
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
The Walrus is totally a Hall of Famer.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I hate the “genius” moniker for coaches but that ’94 Niners offense was absolutely sick. Shanahan design. He also did wonders with a hopelessly-past-his-prime Jake Plummer.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Me neither.
/Thanks for the draft picks for McSoup!
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 PM
now that’s funnah!
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 PM
This part definitely has a “stubborn old man” element to it.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Nicely done and good point.
I don’t think nepotism has been Leatherface’s friend either.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:23 PM
You could debate the Jets or Raiders list is funnier (Tuiasosopo! Clemens! Walter! Foley! Brooks! JaMarcus! Lucas! Bollinger!) but the Redskins are right up there.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Look at the Lions quarterbacks since about 1981.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Since 1995 the Jets have only had 12 different starters. 16 for the Redskins, 17 for the Raiders.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Brooks Bollinger collected NFL paychecks for 5 years, this will never not amaze me
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:27 PM
/sportsdork begins writing angry diatribe
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 PM
True, but it seems like for at least the last 10 years the ‘Skins have had a steady two or three stooge carousel at the QB position. Ramsey/Matthews/Wuerffel being one example.
Wow, in 2001, Tony Banks started 14 games for Washington.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 PM
The post-Marino Dolphins would like to enter this contest.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
There should be an asterisk there because of Spurrier. That should be accounted for just like steroids in baseball.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Nice one. Lemon, Culpepper, Beck, Fiedler, a Huard brother, Rosencopter… impressive
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:34 PM
They might have had all the Huards and McCowns who were available at one point, I forget
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 PM
I can’t decide which Bears rotation is my favorite: 1998 (Eric Kramer/Steve Stenstrom/Moses Moreno) or 2004 (Craig Krenzel/Chad Hutchinson/Jonathon Quinn/Rex Grossman). Each 2004 QB started at least 3 games!
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:36 PM
I think the past two seaasons have proven that McNabb was a beneficiary of the system rather than being a good QB
/shots fired
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 PM
That one. It was awful.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:38 PM
As disconnected as Mike seems to be from the realities of today’s NFL, it seems to me that Kyle is the one keeping this group of players from reaching its potential. When the Skins were winning during the Gibbs I era, halftime adjustments were often the key to getting a win. Joe would often chuck the gameplan in favor of exploiting favorable matchups that were working THAT DAY. I don’t see that in the Skins 2011 offense.
And you can certainly make the argument that the Skins don’t have the best talent, but a good coach/OC/DC plays to the strengths of the current roster. Didn’t see that with McNabb or Beck (Grossman is hopeless). We’re certainly not maximizing the skills of a serviceable backfield group. What we’re seeing is either an undeserved confidence in “the system” or willful ignorance about the team’s ability to compete this year.
This is quickly turning into a “gots ta go” situation for both Shanahans, but I’d be willing to give Mike a little longer if he’ll get rid of Kyle, and maybe Haslett, too.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 PM
The Vikings have two all-time great rotations: 2007 (T-Jack, Kelly Holcomb, Brooks Bollinger) and 1993 (Jim McMahon, Sean Salisbury, Gino Torretta). I can’t decide which one is more sad.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:43 PM
2005 Niners… Alex Smith, Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett
Cody freaking Pickett!
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I lived in Chicago in ’04. This carousel was beyond ridiculous. These QBs made people pine for the salad days of Jim Effing Miller under center.