Tim Tebow is Clutch and Will Probably Have the NFL Career of Vince Young (Minus the Crazy)
The Miracle in Miami: Down 15-0 with under three minutes left, Tim Tebow threw two TD passes, then ran in a 2-point conversion and the Broncos won 18-15 in overtime. Even though Tebow didn’t recover the onside kick late in regulation or cause the fumble in overtime or kick the game-winning field goal, the way his legend is going, in five years we’ll all remember Tebow actually doing those things. So what if Tebow was 13-for-27 (48 percent) for 161 yards? He was clutch and led his team to victory, which is all that matters. The 6.0 YPA? Big deal. Sacked seven times? Well, he needs an offensive line.
Tim Tebow is the new Vince Young. Both were wildly popular college athletes who found incredible success on the field because they were terrific athletes. Young at Texas, Tebow at Florida. Young’s signature highlight was beating USC in the Rose Bowl; Tebow won a Heisman, was part of two title-winning teams and was amazing in an SEC Championship victory over Alabama. They’re two of the best “winning” QBs the college game has seen over the last two decades.
Young found some success with the Titans in the NFL at the age of 23: His stats were unimpressive (12 TDs, 13 INTs, 51% completions) but he had a flair for the dramatic: four 4th quarterback comebacks, five game-winning drives. Tennessee went 8-5 and Young was the rookie of the year. Young started the next year and his completions went up (61 percent) but he threw 17 picks against just nine TDs. He was athletic and able to make things happen when plays/protection broke down, but traditional he was not.
Defenses started to figure him out. Young was awful in a road playoff game against San Diego. The next season, Young was hurt early – which was followed by the bizarre gun/cops incident – Kerry Collins replaced him, and Tennessee went 13-3. Jeff Fisher named Collins the starter for the 2009 season, but the Titans opened 0-6, and Young took over. He went 8-2. It appeared as if Young was “back.” He made the Pro Bowl! In 2010, Young was mediocre again (Tennessee was 5-5) before injuring his thumb. Then owner Bud Adams said he didn’t want to pay Young and that was that.
Tebow’s career could mirror Young’s – perhaps without the gaudy 30-17 record. Tebow doesn’t have the tough defense Young did, but perhaps the Broncos can get something in exchange for Orton and begin getting Von Miller some help. We know they’ll have a Top 10 draft choice the next two years. But the division’s only going to get stronger. The Tebow magic will probably have immense highs and embarrassing lows over the next three years, and when his rookie deal is up, Denver will probably cut the cord when his popularity wanes and the playoff trips never come. But I’ll be rooting for him.
When his first contract is up, if nobody else is willing to make him a starter … perhaps Tebow gets out of football and into the political game. Then he can make a run at office in Florida around 2020, and perhaps for President by 2028.

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October 24th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
They couldn’t get a conditional 7th round pick.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
minus the crazy? he’s fucking brainwashed.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
I said it last week, but I’m lovin the Tebow Era more and more.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
Look, anybody that didn’t stick it to Godzilla Biscuits out of some religious belief is already CRAZY in my book
October 24th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
I guess the “Nick Saban’s Car Got Ticketed” post wasn’t going to move the early afternoon needle on it’s own.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFdAFOFCoI&feature=related
October 24th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
all i know is, he scored twice what he was projected to….and i still was smoked, so his presence on my ff roster did not bless the rest
October 24th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Let it be known … He is the Second Coming of Elway.
/ Emphasize the capital “H” on He
October 24th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
FUCK YOU DOWFEEN!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
He is risen.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
AND FUCK YOU WHARRRE!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
/wikipedia
October 24th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Look, anybody that didn’t stick it to Godzilla Biscuits out of some religious belief is already CRAZY in my book
+ 1 knife for carving poor peoples genitals into Zeus’ preferred shape
October 24th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Tebow = altar boy
Fawning analysts = priests
does that work?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
I like the Vince Young comparison although Tebow doesn’t look like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds throwing the football so advantage to him there
October 24th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
He’s going to be the head of his own megachurch in 5-6. The mouth breathers in Florida will make him very rich.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Look, anybody that didn’t stick it to Godzilla Biscuits out of some religious belief is already CRAZY in my book
I will second all this.
Look, I actually like Timmy RahRah Tebow. I think he’s a good kid and someone who’s actually into being an NFL QB for the sake of the football as much if not more than for the idea of being a superstar.
That said, there’s a ton of people rooting for him for different (i.e. social and religious) reasons. And they’re willing to wash away his flaws as a QB. Can’t do that. The NFL exposes your game eventually.
I do hope he lands in a good spot next with a coach that can get the most out of him — even if it isn’t at QB.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Give ‘em hell, Timmy.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
der sure is a lotta haterz here.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
she wore this to a pumpkin patch
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052795/Courtney-Stodden-Doug-Hutchinson-kicked-pumpkin-patch.html
October 24th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Somehow, it seems fitting to threadjack this with Courtney Stodden.
We do?
It is?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
TBL-that is close to kiddie porn there!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
That girl is 17 going on 43.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
that girl embodies just abut everything i don’t like to look at
big hair, big glasses, high boots with trailer trash shorts, too much makeup, pumpkins
October 24th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
she wore this to a pumpkin patch
She will look 50 when she is 25
October 24th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Awful boob job, too. She’ll be working at someplace called Daisy Dukes or The Admiral in the next 18 months.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Her parents and her(because,lets face it, she’s a lost cause) should just be put out of our misery
October 24th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
a 17yo with a boob job? add to my list: bolt-ons
October 24th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Oh her husband is the evil prison guard from the green mile…makes sense
October 24th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
great tush tho.
/can i say that legally?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
They seem like a balanced couple.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
The girl on the Soup who reads her Twitter posts is hilarious. WINKY FACE!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Tebow > Sanchez
October 24th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Missed the CFB recap but a big thank you and /salute to Texas Tech. The Land Thieves’ home winning streak was getting a little too close to 58 for my liking.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Speaking of pumpkins… Nice job here.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Somehow, it seems fitting to threadjack this with Courtney Stodden.
Look at her hands and wrists in the close-up shot. If she’s 17, then I’m 20. And I haven’t been 20 in nearly three decades.
She’s gotta be at least in her early 30s.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
I appreciate what you are trying to do here…but Vince Young & Tim Tebow really aren’t similar at all.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
I have no idea who ‘Courtney Stodden’ is. But I’m sure she has herpes.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
So did yall know there is another white baby missing?
/CNN
October 24th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Anderon Cooper’s “ridiculist” with those 2 is fantastic
October 24th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
The Land Thieves’ home winning streak was getting a little too close to 58 for my liking.
That streak isn’t nearly as impressive when you consider they play Texas on a neutral field every year.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Oh Percy. Still creepy.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Neither is a long term solution as far as QBs go, so at least they have that in common. Tebow will be the worst thing for Denver. He’ll be just good enough to not be terrible, but never good enough to actually win anything.
So…just like Vince Young, actually.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
If she’s 17, then I’m 20.
I think I have to agree… she’s pretty freckled up in the neck area for a 17 year old.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
she wore this to a pumpkin patch
I don’t like to use the term “whore” unless it’s appropriate. But in this case, “attention whore” fits.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
As long as Tebow isn’t playing for an overrated coach who despises his presensce, he’ll be ahead of the game compared to Vince.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
How is that whore in the pumpkin patch relevant anyway? Worst store bought tits I’ve ever seen.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
So did yall know there is another white baby missing?
/CNN
are you trying to light the ATL_Bager signal
October 24th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
As long as Tebow isn’t playing for an overrated coach who despises his presensce
Well, he plays for John Fox… who doesn’t really appear to like him all that much…
October 24th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
are you trying to light the ATL_Bager signal
I wasn’t, but well played.
/pours one out for stark not being able to comment during the day anymore
October 24th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
So we getting a post about I was right about Ndamukong Suh or no?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
This ‘Courtney Stodden’ makes me think of this.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Love it. I want my pro-bowl DT fucking crazy. Let the QB be cerebral and kind. I want a cold-blooded killer lining up over the center.
/team Suh
//fuck the haters
October 24th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
“Get the Cart” is pretty tame though. Had the man said “get a shovel” that would have been sweet.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
He’s a piece of shit, Parrish. The NFL is a fraternity. You don’t actively root for others to get hurt. I hope someone takes his knees out then stands over him and laughs. He deserves it.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
What Husker said.
/Orders SC some Whamburgers and French Cries.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
“Shoot him like a horse” would have been funnier.
/Because Matt Ryan has taken the reigns from John Elway as the QB who looks most like a horse, you see?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
I like athletics better when the players actually hated each other and didn’t act like they wanted to butt fuck each other before/after the game.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Way to support your quarterback too, Atlanta sports fan.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
That roughing the passer call on KVB was horse shit.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I am with Parrish
/lights another candle for James Harrison’s health
October 24th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Agreed. This kid thinks Hines is a pussy.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
There have been players who played meaner and better than Suh, and you never heard of them standing over a hurt player talking shit. Actually, to the contrary, I’ll introduce you to Mr. Taylor and Mr. Theismann.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
You’re not allowed to be bothered by others doing this, glass houses and all that
October 24th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Love it. I want my pro-bowl DT fucking crazy. Let the QB be cerebral and kind. I want a cold-blooded killer lining up over the center.
/team Suh
//fuck the haters
I am with Parrish
/lights another candle for James Harrison’s health
the many sides of Brawny Tom
well, two
October 24th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
“Take him to the glue factory” or “Call Elmer, He’s ready” – If you were trying to be funny that is.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
The guy at the back of the cart looks like his wife just left him for another woman.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Fuck it..I like my athletes to play like mean sumbitches..all the hugging and humping during the pregame is lame.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
The guy at the back of the cart looks like his wife just left him for another woman.
heartbroken but turned on?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I am sorry, but if you thank “My Lord Saviour Jesus Christ” BEFORE you thank your teammates, you lose some respect.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
He needs to spend less time focusing on being mean and more time doing something constructive like STOPPING THE FUCKING RUN!
October 24th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
I thought it was mandatory for all athletes to thank God first.
- God
- Mama
- Coach/Teammates
- Dad gets hosed again
October 24th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
I am sorry, but if you thank “My Lord Saviour Jesus Christ” BEFORE
Religion has a vice grip on that guy. Yeesh. He seems like a good guy, but keep that to yourself man.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
if she is truly 17, then there is no way vivid entertainment isn’t at her door on her 18th birthday right?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
That’ll come he’ll learn not to over play his gap in a little but…but his meanness is good.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
That makes zero fucking sense.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
As long as Tebow isn’t playing for an overrated coach who despises his presensce
oh yeah, thats why vince sucked ass. it was the coaches.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
That makes zero fucking sense.
The question was about his team coming back. His first response was about thanking Jesus. My problem was that he wanted to thank Jesus before he thanked the team.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
He isn’t hurt. What am I supposed to do, cry like a bitch like you are every time Suh does what he’s paid to do?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I am sorry, but if you thank “My Lord Saviour Jesus Christ” BEFORE you thank your teammates, you lose some respect.
That makes zero fucking sense.
A 2000 year old dead middle eastern carpenter did not block for him.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
well, not everyone on the team likely accepted jesus christ as their lord and savior so why thank them and their heathen ways?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
Did you watch the game? No one blocked for him.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
A 2000 year old dead middle eastern carpenter did not block for him.
I was led to believe he was a white carpenter…
/raycess
October 24th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Did you watch the game? No one blocked for him.
It was like he had Pontius Pilate protecting him out there!
/veal
October 24th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
A ton of athletes thank God during press conferences.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
A ton of athletes thank God during press conferences.
And I roll my eyes at all of them.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
He thanked him both didn’t he? I don’t understand this type of nit picking with Tebow. Hate on the tons media hype, but the guy handles himself right when there is a microphone. Its not like he is taking credit for the win and minimizing his team mates contributions.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
This stuff is white noise for me. So many of them say it that it’s almost like he’s just a habit. I don’t really care what order they put their thank you’s in to be honest.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Must make you feel so much better, eh?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Oh as do I but obvious trolls must be combated.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
This. As a person who goes to church, some of the athletes saying God helped them win a game does annoy me because it’s not true. What’s worse? The people that get pissed at athletes for invoking the name of God and Jesus Christ. They want freedom of speech as long as you don’t say something about religion they don’t like. Get over your double standard.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
eventually someone will thank L. Ron Hubbard and the church of scientology and everyone will flip a shit.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Now that is a religion/cult I am all against. That’s just pure fabricated insanity. At least you can say a lot of the stuff in the Bible is historically true.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Must make you feel so much better, eh?
Cot Damnit, Maverick won’t engage!!
October 24th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Fuck that. Just wait until a really good athlete starts banging the Allah drum. Shit will get real after that.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Now that is a religion/cult I am all against. That’s just pure fabricated insanity.
Points to man who walks on water, rises from the dead.
/agree to disagree
October 24th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Now that is a religion/cult I am all against. That’s just pure fabricated insanity. At least you can say a lot of the stuff in the Bible is historically true.
Yeah, like that parting of the Red Sea and walking on water!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Yeah, take 2 things out of a huge book! Way to support your argument!
October 24th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
It’s already happened with Chris Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. For some reason the tolerance for Tebow is at a much higher scale.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
He needs to spend less time focusing on being mean and more time doing something constructive like STOPPING THE FUCKING RUN!
Michael Turner agrees.
So we getting a post about I was right about Ndamukong Suh or no?
If you give the shot, say whatever you want.
If it’s a freak injury (like this) stfu and get in the huddle.
/Matthew Stafford agrees
October 24th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
To be fair you can take hundreds of instances out of the Bible to prove it’s not something that should be taken literally. If you want to view the Bible as a moral guide told through the uses of stories that’s all well and good. If you cite the Bible as literal truths I think that’s insane.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
the stuff in the Bible is historically true.
Did you know that there is a direct correlation between a lack of pirates and global warming?
All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster
October 24th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
Imagine if it was a good NFL player. A Pro-Bowl kind of guy, not an average player on the Nuggets’ roster.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
I have no argument, and those are DEFINITELY the only 2 things in that huge book that would cast doubt…
October 24th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Any word on his leg? That was a nasty looking play to end the game for them. He’s lucky he wasn’t carted off of the field.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Hey, I admit there are things that happened in the Bible where I’m not sure if it is literal or figurative allegory. I don’t think you SHOULD take everything as it actually happened. Some things are just told as figurative parables to instill a moral principle. But to deny that nothing in the Bible actually happened is ignorant.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:57 PM
It’s already happened with Chris Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. For some reason the tolerance for Tebow is at a much higher scale.
If this had happened post 9/11 it would have been a huge deal…
October 24th, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Bang Bang, Whats the Hang?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
Fuck that. Just wait until a really good athlete starts banging the Allah drum. Shit will get real after that.
or, wait until one of them thannks his boyfriend
October 24th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
christians were fed to the lions at a point in history. i always just find it funny when a believer mocks another persons belief. it’s all based on the same thing: Faith in some sort of higher power, be it religion or science.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Who denies historical events from the Bible? I think it’s common knowledge that certain people did exist and things actually happened. I also think it’s common knowledge that if you think Noah actually got two of every living organism you should probably seek therapy.
Jesus. This would be a shit fit the likes of which we’ve never seen. Imagine Sean Hannity’s show. On the one hand his head would explode due to an athlete loving Allah and not Jesus, and on the other he’d have a raging boner at the thought of how much mileage he could get out of the topic.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster
From The Book Of Cloudy With Meatballs!
October 24th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Stafford update
October 24th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Even better. The day a star athlete comes out will be very interesting. I wonder when that will happen, actually. I suppose it won’t be during his playing days, either. Just too much shit to deal with.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Seems reasonable
October 24th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
There was this decent boxer named Cassius Marcellus Clay back in the day.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Thanks. DET needs to spend some cheese on OL next year.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Wonder what sort of monetary incentive God received for creating the Earth in 7 days instead of 10. That guy lopped off 3 days from my weekend by being efficient!
/holds fist to sky
//DAMN YOU!
October 24th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
yea, but it’s the stuff that isn’t true that bring about the most problems.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
That was Pre-9/11, man. Our country is far different now than we were back in his day.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
he’s got really, really great tax breaks for being a Job creator.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
If you cite the Bible as literal truths I think that’s insane.
You are damned to Nick Saban’s fiery kingdom!
/ Pretty much any 2012 GOP presidential candidate
October 24th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
creating the Earth in 7 days
Why did he rest? Was he tired? Was he neglecting a girlfriend or had to capth up on on his DVR? Did he host monkey knife fights?
October 24th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
Wonder what sort of monetary incentive God received for creating the Earth in 7 days instead of 10. That guy lopped off 3 days from my weekend by being efficient
Nah, in today’s environment that would have been an 8-day work week.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Its offsetted by less racism towards African Americans though. So Ali would still be in the same boat.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
right…back then clay could’ve gotten his ass kicked for sitting in the wrong bus seat. things are better now.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Did he host monkey knife fights?
this sounds intriguing….
October 24th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
To be fair you can take hundreds of instances out of the Bible to prove it’s not something that should be taken literally. If you want to view the Bible as a moral guide told through the uses of stories that’s all well and good. If you cite the Bible as literal truths I think that’s insane.
You’re a smart man Husker.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
The day most American Christians realize that Jesus was a Middle Eastern, non-white Jew is the day that American Christianity loses about 80 percent of its membership.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
right…back then clay could’ve gotten his ass kicked for sitting in the wrong bus seat. things are better now.
Only in certain parts* of the country.
*most of the country.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
I’m not saying he didn’t have barriers, I’m saying if a top athlete was a very devout Muslim RIGHT NOW, that would not be the same as it was in 70s.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
The day most American Christians realize that Jesus was a Middle Eastern, non-white Jew is the day that American Christianity loses about 80 percent of its membership.
How do you explain that American evangelical Christians overwhelmingly support the existence of the state of Israel?
/you don’t have to actually respond, we both know that the reasons are way too numerous and complex to be encompassed in a blog comment.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
i think a coach would probably get sick and tired of taking prayer breaks during practice and film study, but i agree with that.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
How do you explain that American evangelical Christians overwhelmingly support the existence of the state of Israel?
They believe Jews are easier converts than Muslims.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
they need the voter bloc in their favor.
/cynical
October 24th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
what’s the muslim version of goldman sachs?
October 24th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
The Saudi Oil kings.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
yea, but they’re raping white american wallets, not helping white america’s 401k get 7%.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
what’s the muslim version of goldman sachs?
HSBC Holdings Plc
/Although the correct answer will be Goldman Sachs
//Is trick question
October 24th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Bunch of white christian politicians don’t want to upset their accountant.
/raycess
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Number 1, he became prominent in the early 60′s. Number 2, not only was he a Muslim, he was a member of the Nation of Islam brought into the fold by Malcolm X. Number 3, the Heavyweight Champion of the World had a far greater stature and significance back then than it does today. So, not only was he loud, not only was he a Muslim, but when you combine his religion with the sect he belonged to, what a prominent Muslim athlete of today would face is nothing compared to the heat he caught.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
How do you explain that American evangelical Christians overwhelmingly support the existence of the state of Israel?
Has something to do with the Apocalypse and the Second Coming, but I stopped paying attention a while back.
/ Still believes in Harold Camping and is willing to send him money
October 24th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
The argument is faith vs. magic. One side has a faiththere is a higher being responsible for the creation of the world, while the other believes that this big bang magically occured and from this all life was formed.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
what a prominent Muslim athlete of today would face is nothing compared to the heat he caught
the correct answer is not post-911, it’s post-cable, facebook, twitter, etc.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Science is the seeking of answers through the experimentation, trial and error, collaboration, and criticism. It is not the creation of answers. Hence, sometimes what science says is messy, or incomplete, or difficult.
It’s not “magic” versus faith. It’s evidence versus faith.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
fans would have a much easier time justifying a favorite athlete’s faith than politicians would
October 24th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Not sure this is the argument at all, but, sure, run with it.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Science is the seeking of answers through the experimentation, trial and error, collaboration, and criticism. It is not the creation of answers. Hence, sometimes what science says is messy, or incomplete, or difficult.
If you replace the word ‘science’ here with ‘religion’, this sentence still works.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
If you replace the word ‘science’ here with ‘religion’, this sentence still works.
you can sub in Porn as well.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
and golf.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
while the other believes that this big bang magically occured and from this all life was formed.
You are trolling right?
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/birth-youngest-planet-images-keck-observatory-hawaii/story?id=14778712
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0317_060317_big_bang.html
October 24th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Evidence is as strong as it’s collaborative strength with other evidence or it’s ability to stand alone. In other words, there is often a great deal of faith placed into evidence.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
no, you were trolling. Thanks for the magical links with the 14 billion year old lights.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Science is the seeking of answers through the experimentation, trial and error, collaboration, and criticism. It is not the creation of answers. Hence, sometimes what science says is messy, or incomplete, or difficult.
/ If you replace the word ‘science’ here with ‘religion’, this sentence still works
No. It doesn’t work at all.
“Science is the dictation of answers through dogma and intolerance, and the rejection of criticism. It is the arrogantcreation of irrational answers. Hence, sometimes what religion says is messy, or incomplete, or difficult.”
There. Fixed it. Now that sentence works.
/ Born Catholic, recovered
October 24th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
that’s great nada. you’re still the guy that got me to change my saints survivor pool pick
/you best root for the ravens
October 24th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Thanks for the magical links with the 14 billion year old lights.
So you acknowledge that creation is older than a few thousands years.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Goldbach’s conjecture son. All even numbers greater than two can be expressed as a sum of two prime numbers. This has worked in every single case but as cannot test all numbers (they will always be a higher number) it cannot be absolutely proven, simply proven in all tested cases.
Existence is constantly changing and the models will never be perfect but 99% accuracy in evolution of the universe works until a new experiment clarifies it further. That’s how objective experimentation fucking works.
Whereas faith is merely antagonizes empirical reality to allow the subjective person to believe whatever idiocy they choose or were raised with.
Faith and evidence work in mutually exclusive plains.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
I’ve encountered many people who take out their little kid anger on religion. I find most people of any faith to have a live and let live existence. The Bible says the two most important commandments are too love God like no other, and to honor and love thy neighbor. A Christain’s job isn’t to condemn you to hell or be dogmatic in any way. His job is to allow the Lord’s light to shine through him as the best example of God’s love. In the end, I don’t get to heaven or hell based on whether you believe.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Faith and evidence work in mutually exclusive plains.
It’s ‘planes’, but otherwise I completely agree with you. It’s trite, but someone once wrote that science is based on observations and is a means to explain ‘how’, whereas religion is based on our philosophy and is an attempt to explains ‘why’. Making them interchangeable is a fallacy of, ahem, biblical proportions.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
maybe both sides are right and a higher power was responsible for the big bang.
regardless, that doesn’t mean religion is an excuse to be an asshole.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
that’s great nada. you’re still the guy that got me to change my saints survivor pool pick
BulletJoe, I feel that my lack of faith in the Saints will be borne out by season’s end. I saw enough leakage in that defense even last night’s massacre to reaffirm that belief.
/ Genuflects before the altar of Patrick Willis
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Nothing to add except that it was nice to see a Goldbach’s conjecture reference.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Faith and evidence work in mutually exclusive plains.
/ It’s ‘planes’
Unless it’s planes carpet-bombing the plains of Har Meggido.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Thank you, Darrell. I couldn’t say it any better
October 24th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
oh that’s bullshit…otherwise missionaries and gay-hatin’ and crusades and shit wouldn’t happen.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
I’m not sure I get this line, to be honest. My problem with religion is the “group think” mentality that is produced because of it. It seems like individual thought is stamped out more times than not.
Having said that, if being religious floats your boat, have at it. It’s when people push their religion onto others that I let out my “little kid anger.”
October 24th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
live and let live existence.
Unless you want to use condoms because you have AIDS…
/Pope’d
October 24th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
+1
October 24th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Unless it’s planes carpet-bombing the plains of Har Meggido.
Ha.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
A Christain’s job isn’t to condemn you to hell or be dogmatic in any way.
And if most Christians behaved this way, the world would be a much better place.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
and i take my little kid anger out on a taylormade penta (only high numbers), for the record.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
and everyone needs to have an open mind, which is just as important.
the zealots always get the press, but to be honest with you, everyone finds out if there is a god or not when they die, it’s a journey they make alone and I hope whatever people find at the end is comforting to them, whether they believe in a god or not.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
Perfectly stated.
/I hope I find my Lab, Jasper
//RIP homey!!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
i imagine my god as a friendly jaguar that’s always holding the finest herb.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
i found this to be an awesome comment thread.
seems like we have a few new voices who can bring the heat.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
I’ve always imagined God as an older woman, a la a grandmother. Much better than an angry old man striking down upon thee
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
personally i hope i find all my friends, and loved ones, and my dog brownie when i get there. some would call it heaven, i lean towards it being the last flash of my consciousness that’s drawn out like a dream, and everything good about my life is what i think of at the very end, with everyone smiling, and happy.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Add UGA beating Florida on a loop and you have my personal heaven as well.
/It’s almost Cocktail Party time, gents
//when UGA always face plants
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
i imagine my god as a friendly cougar that’s always holding the finest herb.
If this were true, and that cougar were Helen Mirren, I would convert back to Catholicism.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:04 PM
Except in the magical example you’ve provided, the antagonization of empirical reality occurs based on this constant change of existence. A constant change in existence means there is no or very little empirical reality, which means you are operating on a level of faith and theory.